1967 Z28 survivor

[1967Z28]

For sale, Mountain Green with gold standard interior which was featured in the Member's rides section last fall.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat...2&fpart=all (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=rides&Number=100104&page= 2&fpart=all)

Asking $100K. Would consider another '67 Z project and cash. This car, to the best of my knowledge, is the most untouched, original '67 Z28 still out there. It is the <u>only</u> documented '67 Z28 that has the factory headers with cowl plenum air cleaner in combination with radio and heater delete. This car was built to be raced but ended up just doing the occasional street race. It is original drivetrain, interior, and paint. I did have to rebuild the front brakes because I couldn't otherwise drive it. Had to recore the radiator also because it needed it but still has original tanks and UH tag. I have lots of documentation for the car (window sticker, P-O-P, etc), plus the original Texas title, original registration receipts and the Texas plates from when I bought it back in '98. I am the second owner. I have the original box for the cowl plenum air cleaner, the original box for the rally caps. The caps and trim rings had never been installed prior to my ownership. The original exhaust manifolds and section of exhaust pipe are still owned by me and they are in pristine condition, showing they came off the car when it was new so the headers could be installed. Any original piece I took off the car has been kept and put in a box such as the original radiator hoses, fan belt, cap, rotor and plug wires. Cars like this do not come along very often. There are issues with the paint. The stripes are checked and somebody may chose to repaint them. There are also some dents and dings, most of which could be nursed out by a dent expert. I did not have the heart to do anything but repaint the header panel and lower valence as they were replaced by the original owner and left black. He gave me the original pieces he took off the car. The spare is original and in great shape. I have three other original 7.35 x 15 Power Cushions but they are not in great shape. This car came out of West Texas and there is no rust. When's the last time you saw an original paint Camaro with zero rust in the back window, let alone a Z-28? Other options on the car confirming the racing orientation are J56 HD brakes, K76 61-amp alternator, T60 HD battery, 4.10 gears plus it has the extremely rare shoulder belts. I also have the headrests which were delivered with the car but never installed due to the fact there was an error by the factory. They put in standard seats with no slot for the headrests! Oopsie...who thought GM could make a screw-up? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif The original sales contract discusses a credit for the headrests. One of the diecast model companies came out last year and took measurements to make a model of the car. I guess that takes two years to complete from start to finish. If you miss out on the car, a model's not a bad second choice and a whole lot cheaper! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

-Jon

[1967Z28]

Forgot contact info. Email is [email protected] and phone number is (805)736-4713.

[Belair62]

Nice car Jon....good luck...I know you are going to miss it !

[RichM]

Jon,

Should be an easy sale for you and I am sure you will hate to see her go.

For those that done know, I am a 67 Z fan as well and owner of 1967z28.com.

I can vouch this is the most original untouched 67 Z28 in existance. We have used it for many technical articles and whats correct questions for the site and with the 67z28 owners group.

This is the real deal.

Rich

[mr396]

A good deal at twice the price.It would be hard to let that go.

[jg95z28]

If I only had the money. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

I asked my wife if she'd buy it for me for my birthday and she said "no." She's not as partial to gold interiors as I am. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[69RSZ]

hi Jon,wish i could buy your Z but its out of my $ range but im still looking.havent talked to you in a long time and not to sidetrack this thred just wanted to say hi and good to hear your still around.Ron.

[1967Z28]

Thanks guys. I have some interested parties. Would like to see it go to a good home. For sure, I am going to miss the car.

-Jon

[68TopStock]

Jon, I too hope the new owner appreciates this car. It is very special. So is your other car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[RichM]

Ken, oh come on ask your sweet little wife if she wants it?

She is so nice, I bet she will.

Rich

[68TopStock]

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[1967Z28]

I have just been advised by Jerry MacNeish that I have underpriced the car so this for sale offer is rescinded, effective immediately. Thanks to those who have expressed an interest in the car.

-Jon

[Jeff H]

I thought that was a great price for what that car is. Luckily I have no money. I'm really surprised that nobody jumped on that car. That's almost irreplaceable.

[68TopStock]

Calling Charlie!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[jg95z28]

Smart move Jon. I told my wife it was a steal at $100k and even said I'd sell every other car I own if she'd buy it for me. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif No dice!

Best of luck with it.

[firstgenaddict]

Redneck (the owner of the Lemans Blue 68 Z that we went to buy last night) and I were discussing the 67 Z last night and both thought that 100k was in no way out of line... the car is 1 of 1. There is most likely no car as original with that option group..let alone the colors of the car, it is a time capsule and should be preserved as is, it would be a sin to restore the car. IMHO

[1967Z28]

I appreciate the positive comments. The car will still be offered for sale but the price will be going up. It is definitely 1 of 1 in terms of color combination as well as the most unmolested original '67 Z28 left out there.

-Jon

[1967Z28]

For those who have asked, here is a picture of the cowl tag.

[Mr70]

What's the price of the Car now?

[Charley Lillard]

[ QUOTE ]
I have just been advised by Jerry MacNeish that I have underpriced the car so this for sale offer is rescinded, effective immediately. Thanks to those who have expressed an interest in the car.

-Jon

[/ QUOTE ]

The car has been for sale yet has not sold. Jerry says it is under priced. I think Jerry should buy it.

[1967Z28]

[ QUOTE ]
The car has been for sale yet has not sold. Jerry says it is under priced. I think Jerry should buy it.

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif I like that idea!

Price is $125K obo. Also may consider '67 Z28 project and cash as trade. Thanks.

-Jon

[SamLBInj]

[ QUOTE ]
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I have just been advised by Jerry MacNeish that I have underpriced the car so this for sale offer is rescinded, effective immediately. Thanks to those who have expressed an interest in the car.

-Jon

[/ QUOTE ]

The car has been for sale yet has not sold. Jerry says it is under priced. I think Jerry should buy it.

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif Charley, your better than Larry the cable guy http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Git er Done

[mike s]

i have always made a point not to get in the negative comment wars around here but this really gets to me you cant raise your price after you list something for sale its just yellow in this man's opinion http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[Stuart Adams]

He does state OBO. Like Charley said, Jerry should buy it -he is the one saying 100K is not enough. What its worth is what someone will pay!

[Late BrakeU2]

With non matching driveline cars going for 50-60k, I can't believe it wasn't scarfed up immediately.

[markjohnson]

I have to agree with Mike S. Morally wrong to raise price on the car especially after it did'nt even sell for the $100K. Really neat car but the "bottom of the color chart" color does hurt it. It's one of those colors that everyone loves to look at but does not want to own themselves. Obviously not even Jerry. I wonder if the original owner is aware of the $125,000 killing trying to be made. Why stop at 125K? Keep it.

[Salvatore]

Might be hard to get more after you listed it for 100,000. Unless somebody was fighting over it, it may be hard to raise the price. I may be dead wrong but You probably don't have half this much tied up into it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Nice car!

[Late BrakeU2]

I think this poor chap is being unfairly flamed.Go back and read from the first post on,and see how the tenor of the thread deteriorated.Clearly,he underpriced the car.If the defacto guru tells you your leaving 20k on the table,if it were YOUR car,would you reconsider?. The fact he is a long standing member and offered it on this forum(as opposed to the de riguer snake oil platform)tells me one should not question his ethics so quickly.If there is a benchmark 67,this be it,regardless of color.This is an attempt to play devils advocate,not it's his own biz what he does.

Crawling back into my hole before before arty gets a fix...

[mike s]

yes latebrake i am questioning his ethics i feel it is a cheap move and if he wanted max money he should have spoken with jerry and or done his reasearch prior to listing it for sale, myself and probably most other car guys have left money on the table in a deal or 2 in my opinion true car guys dont pull this that bull $hit just my .2 cents

[SuperNovaSS]

First of all what is wrong with Mountain Green. Secondly, it is his car and if it is not sold then he can change the pirce at any time. It happen in the real estate market ALL THE TIME. It the market will not bear his new price he will have to come down. Awesome car by the way!


Jason

[Salvatore]

True Mark, He can ask any price he wants to. Go for it!

[LVCamaro]

what Jason said X2

SS

[Belair62]

Jon's car....he calls the shots. Better take another look at the history of this car....it's pretty cool. And you won't be finding another like it real soon.

[Rick H]

[ QUOTE ]
Jon's car....he calls the shots.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think someone else called the shot on this sale.

In my opinion I feel it would have been better if nothing had been posted about someone saying that said car was underpriced and the seller simply turned down all offers under his asking price.

Might have cut down on the flaming.

Bottom line it is his car and he can do what he wants with it but I would keep certain reasons from selling off the public forum.


Rick H.

[Charley Lillard]

There is nothing wrong with Jon raising his price. Jon bought the car to keep but in the years since he first bought it he has acquired the first ever Z28. I believe he is selling the low mile car to cover the costs of restoring the # 1 Z28. I don't know how many places it was advertised. If it were widely advertised at 100K and there were no buyers then bumping it 25% because of one guys opinion seems like a stretch to me.

[camarojoe]

Bottom line is this... asking price was 100k, there were no takers, there wasn't anyone that said yes, I'll take it for 100, and then had the rug pulled out from them, nor did anyone buy it for 100k and now the seller is asking for 25k more from the buyer. It was simply a single ad placed on a forum. Heck, people here even SAID it was underpriced. Before anyone purchased the car, the seller decided for whatever reason or from whatever source that he should probably not sell the car for 100k, so before anyone bought it for that price he decided 125k was more what he felt the car was worth. Now if no one buys it at 125k and he decides to take 100k again thats his choice, as it is also his choice to up the price to 150k if he so choses and no one has committed to it at 125k. In a nutshell, as long as no deal was made, no one was contracted to buy the car, and no deposit and/or money had changed hands, no one is out anything, and these sour grapes over a car they weren't going to buy anyhow is rediculous. Obviously no one here was buying it at 100 or it would be sold already, so it seems silly to argue that its now 125... jmo.

[Rick H]

Someone refresh my memory.

What was the reason for pulling the sale and now offering at a higher price??


Rick H.

[Belair62]

If you aren't interested in his car just go read something else...it's no ones business where he prices it or why...can't fault or flame him for being honest.Should he have consulted with people who were not going to buy it to see if it was moral to reprice it ? Give me a break. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[camarojoe]

At least its the same guy who already owns the car asking an extra 25k instead of someone who just bought it to turn for a profit, which is how these things usually end up costing more than they were a week ago. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Mr. T]

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If you aren't interested in his car just go read something else...it's no ones business where he prices it or why...can't fault or flame him for being honest.Should he have consulted with people who were not going to buy it to see if it was moral to reprice it ? Give me a break. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Well said Bob. Example: If I was going to sell my 69Z for 50k right here on SYC, and Jerry MacNeish contacted me and said, hey Tony, your Z is worth 75k. I would seriously think about repricing my car, the exact same thing Jon has done. You can't blame a guy who might be able to make an extra 25k. I can't think of anyone who would pass on an extra bonus like that.

[Jonesy]

How about this tag? I think my car may be 1 of 1 also with more options. No, it's not for sale.

[Rick H]

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If you aren't interested in his car just go read something else...it's no ones business where he prices it or why...can't fault or flame him for being honest.Should he have consulted with people who were not going to buy it to see if it was moral to reprice it ? Give me a break. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Bob,
Thanks for the advice and please don't be offended if I don't take it but I have every right to read and comment on this subject just like you or anybody else who can get to this forum.

Again I don't care what he does with the car and for how much. As others have pointed out maybe he should have consulted PRIOR to his initial post.

So please do me the honor of giving me the same break!

Rick H.

[Rick H]

[ QUOTE ]
How about this tag? I think my car may be 1 of 1 also with more options. No, it's not for sale.

[/ QUOTE ]

Can I buy the tag???

Rick H.


P.S. Just kidding, nice car.

[Belair62]

[ QUOTE ]
So please do me the honor of giving me the same break!


[/ QUOTE ]
I was replying to the last post in the thread I wasn't directing my comments to you but the whole thread in general.You just happened to be the last guy in line when I hit the button...I'm sure Jon won't lose sleep over what all us old ladies are saying.

[Rick H]

Gotcha http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

I hope Jon gets the price he is looking for.

Rick H.

[jg95z28]

I only wish I could afford it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif And mountain green is one of my favorite colors.

As far as raising the price... people out here I California do it all the time with homes. A friend of mine just sold her home for $30K over the asking price. When you consider the rarity of this car and the fact that its an investment, I really don't see a problem with it.

FWIW, the comments over at camaros.net were even more negative. IMHO, with a car like this if you are critcizing the price, its for one of two reasons, (a) you're jealous that you don't own the car (or can't afford it), or (b) you really have no clue what its worth.

BTW, hey Jon, how is the restoration on Z/28 #1 going?

[Rick H]

[ QUOTE ]
IMHO, with a car like this if you are critcizing the price, its for one of two reasons, (a) you're jealous that you don't own the car (or can't afford it), or (b) you really have no clue what its worth.

[/ QUOTE ]

Then you got those who don't have no clue at all! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Rick H.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

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Then you got those who don't have no clue at all! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Rick H.

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That's a 'double-negative' ya know http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[jg95z28]

[ QUOTE ]
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IMHO, with a car like this if you are critcizing the price, its for one of two reasons, (a) you're jealous that you don't own the car (or can't afford it), or (b) you really have no clue what its worth.

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Then you got those who don't have no clue at all! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Rick H.

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Are you implying I don't have a clue Rick? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[SamLBInj]

[ QUOTE ]
Jon's car....he calls the shots. Better take another look at the history of this car....it's pretty cool. And you won't be finding another like it real soon.

[/ QUOTE ]
I dont understand why anyone really cares how a person prices there car...He can put a price tag of any amount and only time will tell if he has priced it accordingly. Prices are set by rarity,supply, and demand. This is a very rare car and he is suppliing it for sale, only the demand for it will tell him wether or not he is priced correctly. Personally I would love to own that car and seeing some pretty crazy pricing on muscle cars lately I would have thought there would be a few bids at the 100K level but since there were zero bids I find it hard to understand the reasoning behind raising the price. Marketing 101 would tell you to drop it by at least 5% but these are strange times and you never know. I have tried to sell homes at a certain price dictated by a realtor and when there was no intrest I would fire them and jack them up by 20% and then they would sell because I would hit another plateau of buyers looking to spend a certain amount and were only looking at that particular price range...

[Rick H]

Jeff,
No.
Rick

[6t7 camaro]

While I was at the Camaros at Carlisle/GM Nationals this year I stumbled upon an enclosed 5th wheel car hauler that contained a disassembled but complete 67 RS/Z. When I inquired if it was for sale I was told yes for $115,000. The puzzled look on my face prompted the guy to tell me it was documented as the highest optioned 67 Z in existance. Was it worth it? To many, no, but if I had an abundance of cash I would have bought it. Same with Jon's car, it is one of a kind. I would rather spend money on either of these than on say a Porsche or a Ferrari. It's all where your passion lies.

[Salvatore]

Welcome aboard Dave! Do you have a 67 Z? Sam

[Zedder]

Dave brings up a very good point that relates very strongly to '67 Z's for some reason. The old "if I had the money" syndrome. I think I've been involved in more '67 Z sales in the past few years than most and I can tell you that the only cars that are selling "easily" are the project cars and I believe that is because most of the enthusiasts buying them don't have the money for some of the really rare/desirable Camaros and look at a '67 project from between $30K and $65K as a bargain and their ticket into the a big boys game. Conversly, there have been 4 or 5 number 1-type '67 Z's for less than $100K for sale for a year or more and not one has sold. Why? There are a number of big time collectors on this site that have all sorts of cars...how many have '67 Z's? Few, if any...Surely they can afford them??? So the '67 Z's just aren't everyone's cup of tea, particularly at the upper end of the scale. I'm not sure why, that's just how it is http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

As for Jon's car, it is a truly rare peice and I have only heard of one other car that is purported to be lower miles and untouched (but I haven't seen it yet). What will it sell for? If he finds just the right buyer with tons of cash, probably what he's asking. The reason it didn't sell yet is no different than why the #1 restored cars haven't sold...there just aren't many '67 Z buyers looking at that price level.

[427TJ]

If anything handicaps a '67 Z/28 it's that it doesn't have a big-block. We can argue the pros and cons of any/all aspects of any/all cars but big-time collectors seem to want the baddest, most hairy-chested cars available, such as the Motions, Yenkos, COPOs, Harrells, etc., all with square-port, 4-bolt main, bad-ass Rat power. There is a competitive aspect to just about everything we do and why should muscle car collecting be any different? The only small-block (Chevy) cars that nudge their way into the mega-buck muscle car collector world are rare stuff like the '67 Z, also the '69 Z/28, preferably an RS with JL8 and crossram and, of course, Yenko Deuces. Corvettes, to me, are a separate classification but they too demonstrate that Rats outdo Mice in just about every aspect of the collector scene.

No offense to our Mouse-powered bretheren. I'd love to have a '67 Z but they got too expensive.

[Rick H]

Interesting, Flashback to the early 70's and I can still see the faces and hear the comments from the drivers of the BB rat powered Chevelles, Nova, Camaro (yes, Camaro) and a couple of 440 Cudas thrown in the lot that suddenly saw the taillights of my mouse powered 1970 LT-1 Camaro disappearing ahead of them.

That 360hp 350 LT-1 was one mean small block and put many a big block powered vehicle to shame. It is probably one of the most underrated engines in my opinion and one of the best engines GM ever built. But again, that's my opinion.

Rick H.

[Salvatore]

Say it again Rick! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[427TJ]

Rick, I hear you loud and clear. Some of my best moments were behind the wheel of my '67 Camaro with a 327/M-22/12-bolt 3:55 Posi. My point was/is, high-dollar collectors pay the most money for the big-block powered stuff and that's probably why many rare and desireable small-block cars don't get the really big money.

What's a 427 Yenko Nova worth, quarter to half a million? That's just a guess. How about a Deuce? Maybe 150K for a near-perfect one--again, a guess. Can a Deuce whack a 427 car on the track? That race might be close with both cars on stock tires, etc. The Deuce is probably more fun to drive but the '69 427 Nova will get the big dollars from the collectors. Yenko made more Deuces but that's not why Deuces are 150K vs. 250-500K for the 427s.

Stock Street Hemi vs. stock 440 6-Pack? Same thing, the Hemi might get beat by the 440 car in a street race but no one's paying a million for 440 Cuda converts, regardless of the production numbers of either car. 440-6 = $$$ Hemi = $$$$$$$ ($$$$$$$$$$$$)

Okay Ford fans. 289 Cobra vs. 427 Cobra? The race-ready 289 was faster than the early 427 comp cars around the road courses back in the day but any man with a bundle of cash and an ego's gonna' jump at the 427 car. 289 = $$$ 427 = $$$$$

I miss the fun of my '67 327 Camaro but in 1999 I finally got the big-block car I'd always wanted---well, the one I could afford.

[olredalert]

-----That high option 67 Z ended up in the Detroit area owned by two guys we all know. It is presently being restored to a very high standard!..........Bill S

[Denis]

So does anyone know what options the "high option Z" is alleged to have?

[6t7 camaro]

Sam unfortunately, I am not a 67 Z owner yet. However someday I hope to be. I also have a soft spot for the 67 L78 Camaros.

[6t7 camaro]

Bill, I'm new to the site, do I dare ask who the two guys in Detroit area are? I would love to see that car when it's done! Dave B.

[Jonesy]

I thought my car was optioned out fairly well. I'd like to know what the most optioned 67 z28 is.

Who is doing the restoration on it??

Mike
1967 z28 ready for resto

[Zedder]

Mike your buddy at Heartbeat and I believe Al Maynard...and it might have these options http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[1967Z28]

Mark,

I heard from the former owner that the car's restoration is being documented on an internet website. Can you provide us with a link? This is the 19th '67 Z-28 built according to paperwork from Vince Piggins. Built January 10th, 1967.

-Jon

[Zedder]

Jon, No wonder it brought so much money! It is going to be on Heartbeat City's website, but I haven't seen it on there yet.

[1967Z28]

Mark,

I was led to believe that the restoration of the car was already being posted on the internet but when I looked on the Heartbeat City website, I didn't find anything. I'm guessing that means it might be on another website.

Speaking of values, I'm wondering if the original dealership might have more bearing on a '67 Z28s value rather than specific options or colors. Any thoughts on what a Yenko Stormer or Nickey '67 Z28 might bring? I do have an original block for one of the Stormers.

-Jon

[6t7 camaro]

Mark you're good, that tag definitely matches up with the car I saw. If any of you guys end up finding that website let me know. I'd love to check it out. Dave B.

[Zedder]

Jon, I think this whole value conversation is anyone's guess with these cars. There is no doubt in my mind that the colors and options have a definite impact on the value, probably more so than the delivering dealer. With the exception, however, of those with either TA race history or the dealer modified cars like a Stormer. I'm not sure whether a "normal" street Z delivered to Nickey would command significantly more money than any other dealer.

Jim at Heartbeat was the person that said it would be on his site and I am unaware of any other site showing the car at this time.

Will do Dave...I would have considered paying $100K for that car if I would have known about it before it was sold given that it was the #19 car and obviously owned by someone "in the know" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[firstgenaddict]

With-in the last year there was a Berger 68 Z sold, it was in Hemmings and the asking was in the mid to high 20's. I called about it at the time and the guy still had the car. He had all the Berger paperwork if I am not mistaken.
Not a 67 but still would have been a nice one to have.