"New" '69 Motion Camaro's

[djunod]

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61903

[DarrenX33]

Hmmm. I smell a debate brewing whether the 12 cars were real Baldwin cars... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Sounds pretty cool. Anxious to see the results. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[djunod]

Of course they won't be "Baldwin" cars... I wonder why they even threw that part in?

[DarrenX33]

My thoughts as well. Unless Joel found 12 documented Baldwin cars for the conversion. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[427TJ]

Too bad he isn't making exact '69 Phase III L88 replicas! Yeah, they'd be a quarter-million too so nevermind...

I hope he makes money on this deal. It must bug him just a little that his creations change hands for huge amounts of money and he only sees a $1500 verification fee.

[55chevy]

there's no way these "new" 12 are "Baldwin" cars... If you ask me its all $$$ motivated. Cash in on "Baldwin/Motion" Camaros while they are "hot". ........... Because you know damn well these new 12 "baldwin motion" '69 Camaros will have a price tag in the six figures... Waaaaay beyond ANYTHING a working class guy like me will EVER be able to afford, much less ever own. .. All because this "supercar"/"baldwin/motion" craze has gotten WAY out of control and too many guys with more money than brains designed their own pricing system for the few hundred remaining cars that still exist... I guess I'm just out of the loop now.. Somehow we've developed into a time where a green/green 2bbl 307 '69 Nova with wear and tear is selling for 6-8k and anything else worth a damn is 5 to 6 figures???? And I'm making LESS money than I did 5 years ago??!! and paying twice as much for gas and food and everything else?? ....WTF?..... I feel like the "hobby" is losing me because it's barely "fun" anymore...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I just don't have the $$ to be an "accepted" participant..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Lynn]

Ed nailed it.

"Only" sees a $1500 verification fee?

I have never met Joel Rosen. He is probably a stand up guy, and I really don't have a problem with him cashing in on his reputation by building some special cars. They will be special.

As far as the verification fee, I don't get that figure at all, unless there is a lot more work involved than what I figure. It seems he kept records of most of the cars he tuned or modified. Someone calls him up, gives him a VIN and he spends 10 minutes (OK, he may be more like me and spend 20 min just looking) and charges $1500. While the service may well be worth it, seems pretty high.

If you had an original car and tracked down the original owner, asking for "verification" wouldn't you be outraged if he said "I won't tell you if I am the original owner until you send me a check for $1500"?

Don't get me wrong. He is a part of history and should be paid well for the information he has. $1500 a pop just seems a little out of line.

How much did the Yenko family charge to publish the list of 200 or so 69 YSC Camaro's?

Ed, there was a time when "real car guys" (and there are still some out there) would go out of their way for another car guy, even if they just met. Unfortunately, the almighty dollar still rules. That's why we have reproduction body shells (euphamistically called a "repair part") fake trim tags, fake POP's, "rebody" restorations (i.e. the illegal swapping of a VIN plate) and the like. Maybe I am just getting too old, but I liked the old days when my 69 Z (bought in 77 because I wanted one in high school but could only afford my 57 Chevy for $350) wasn't worth that much. Since I am not going to sell it, it just means now I have to insure it for more $$$$$.

Just blowing a little steam. Don't tell me what a great guy Joel is. Like I said, he may be a great guy. And I am sure his verification process is well worth it to many guys. I don't doubt that. I also realize there may be much more work involved than I am assuming.

Lynn

[55chevy]

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but could only afford my 57 Chevy for $350) wasn't worth that much. Since I am not going to sell it, it just means now I have to insure it for more $$$$$.

Just blowing a little steam. Don't tell me what a great guy Joel is. Like I said, he may be a great guy. And I am sure his verification process is well worth it to many guys. I don't doubt that. I also realize there may be much more work involved than I am assuming.

Lynn

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I wish I could afford that 57 Chevy TODAY http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif As far as Joel goes..I'm sure he is a real nice guy to those who he invites into his closed circle.. and there is no doubt that he knows what he's doing when it comes to modifying and super tuning Super Cars.. But I'm sure to him it always was and still is a "business" and all about the money.. Don't you think if he looked at it as being about the cars, Hobby and People he'd be A LOT more involved than we've seen? It's a Business to Joel.. He IS Motion Performance. and it's HIS line to set in where he is at in this. And as long as his old cars are bringing monster bucks I don't see him being in this to make friends. Alot of us wish that would change because we'd love to hear Joels stories and have his imput these days but because the world that exists today has labled him as a "commodity ".. he's in it for the business/money.. I know I'd get pissed off if I just set back and watched a bunch of someone elses profit from something that I had created... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

You know I'm sure Joel is a great guy and I would love to meet and talk to him and have him as a friend, but he is twice my age and I don't have the money it takes to buy one of his cars and I'm sure he's not interested in getting to know just some guy who "would love to have" one of his cars.. I'm sure he feels like he's on the other side of the fence from the rest of us. I wish it wasn't that way. But the way people are so hungry to scavenge anything they can off the Baldwin/Motion name today... it's just gonna keep Joel on that other side of the fence from us. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Ed..As far as I know, Joel is working like the rest of us. He just probably earns more than you. He has his business of selling models and airplanes. You could sell models also. That is what this country is about. If you make less now than you did a few years ago you might try something else. As for Joel's 1,500.00 fee, I think that is cheap in comparison to the value added to the car. Joel could charge 5000.00 and people that need it to document their car are still money ahead. Joel apparently is going to have his name on some new cars to be built. More power to him. Once again that is what this country is about.

[COPO]

It seems to me Joel's concept of using a vintage 69 Camaro body is more true to the original concept then taking a new 2002 Camaro and modifying it and calling it a "Dick Harrell" camaro. Of course our free market system will determine just how sucessful this concept is.

In regards to Joel's $1,500 verification fee, as Charley said, it is cheap compared to the value it creates for the owner. The amount of the fee should have nothing to do with the twenty minutes of time it might take to look through some files and write a letter. Using that concept, we sure wouldn't be paying sports stars, actors, doctors, etc., the multi millions they earn for their limited time. The other thing the fee does is discourage every Tom, Dick and Harry from pestering Joel to document any old car that happens to have a fly eye air cleaner or a set of finned valve covers.

[fuzzbuster]

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there's no way these "new" 12 are "Baldwin" cars... If you ask me its all $$$ motivated. Cash in on "Baldwin/Motion" Camaros while they are "hot". ........... Because you know damn well these new 12 "baldwin motion" '69 Camaros will have a price tag in the six figures... Waaaaay beyond ANYTHING a working class guy like me will EVER be able to afford, much less ever own. .. All because this "supercar"/"baldwin/motion" craze has gotten WAY out of control and too many guys with more money than brains designed their own pricing system for the few hundred remaining cars that still exist... I guess I'm just out of the loop now.. Somehow we've developed into a time where a green/green 2bbl 307 '69 Nova with wear and tear is selling for 6-8k and anything else worth a damn is 5 to 6 figures???? And I'm making LESS money than I did 5 years ago??!! and paying twice as much for gas and food and everything else?? ....WTF?..... I feel like the "hobby" is losing me because it's barely "fun" anymore...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I just don't have the $$ to be an "accepted" participant..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

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Couldn't have been said more perfectly. Right on the ball.
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[djunod]

Personally, I'm glad he's doing this. He needs to be making real money off of his name, instead of everybody else. He deserves it.

I won't be getting one... I don't like '69 Camaro's, even with his touch... now if he was going to make a '68 Camaro, then I would figure out a way to get the money to buy one.

[Jeff H]

In the back of my mind, it seems to taint the originals somewhat by doing this now in 2005. But when you sit back and figure out what these supercars were created for in the first place(for somebody to make money and earn a living) it doesn't seem much different to do it today vs back then. My first thought was "he's just doing it for the money" but that's why he was in this busines back in the 60's and 70's. Shelby has done the same thing with his run of the 60's Shelbys and even the newer design Series II. New supercars are just as cool as the older cars but they have different technology which I think is a great thing! As for prices, the market will determine the prices and with only 12 being made there will be a lot of people left out.

[Xplantdad]

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Ed, there was a time when "real car guys" (and there are still some out there) would go out of their way for another car guy, even if they just met.

Lynn

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This statement is so totally true...especially with respect to the members on this site. I can't count the number of times that people on this site have offered and provided help to me and others...and they don't expect anything for it. The reason I got out of this hobby was because of all the negativity and bull&%^$ that was so prevalent in the 80's (I know...most of you weren't even born yet! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif)

So here's a thanks to everyone on this site...there's no other place like the Y-net! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

BTW, I agree with the statement about why Joel charges so much...it's to weed out the "flak"...in respect to what the cars value would be with Joels blessing...the price is relatively cheap.

Finally, it's true that I may never be able to afford a high dollar car like a Baldwin/Motion or a Yenko...but that doesn't stop me from enjoying what I do have...a healthy family a nice place to live, a job that I like (sort of!) and good friends. It also doesn't prevent me from enjoying these cars( Bladwin/Motions, etc.)which are saved and restored by the people with the financial means to do so...my hat's off to all of the guys...and thanks for
hearing me out! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Mr70]

Don't you have a Palm Tree to water.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Kim_Howie]

I don't think they will hurt the value of the older cars. That has been proven with the ZL-1's If anything the 69's went up in value. As far as buying a new one at 6 figures that's no differance than the 69 ZL-1 I couldn't afford the 7800. price tag in 69 and still can't afford the 350,000+ today nothing has changed in 35 years.

[Xplantdad]

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Don't you have a Palm Tree to water.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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Ha! Really funny Rick! I don't have any palm trees in my yard...they're too much of a PITA...sorta like... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Canucklehead]

Well what about the 2002 balwin zl-1's. There were only 69 made as a tribute to the originals (not to be confused with a tribute clone car) and yet they hold there value and already are a collectable and im sure that 40yrs from now they would become even more of a rare car. So whats the difference with these cars??. So what if you pay big bucks, i bet if you happen to get one they will most likely go up immediatly. Plus it sounds like a pretty cool car!!

[Belair62]

Those weren't Baldwin ZL 1's.

[Canucklehead]

Sorry i was thinking of the Berger cars.

[camarojoe]

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Somehow we've developed into a time where a green/green 2bbl 307 '69 Nova with wear and tear is selling for 6-8k and anything else worth a damn is 5 to 6 figures????

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Hey, whats your beef with green Novas? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Seriously though, I see where both sides of this fence are coming from... personally, i could care less about what anyone is building in 2005 from a "new" supercar standpoint...Real supercars IMO were built 30+ years ago, not this year or last...Not to say I don't like or would mind owning a 2002 ZL-1 or a "new" Motion Camaro, or whatever, I just don't see them as anything like the real supercars of the 60s and 70s... they are cool cars, but theres no "mystique" about them. What makes older cars neat to me is how they survived years of being just regular cars that weren't cherished or worth much, beat on, used and abused, and have 30+years of history... These new cars roll off the showroom floor as collectibles, and will never turn into someones daily beater or race car like so many of the original supercars did...I don't know why that makes me think less of them, but it does... However, for everyone that feels like me, there is someone else out there that thinks a built in 2005 69 Motion camaro would be the shiznits and is lining up to drop down a big deposit for one to sit in their garage and look at and wax on. To each his own i guess, which is what the hobby is all about...

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

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Somehow we've developed into a time where a green/green 2bbl 307 '69 Nova with wear and tear is selling for 6-8k and anything else worth a damn is 5 to 6 figures????

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Hey, whats your beef with green Novas? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Seriously though, I see where both sides of this fence are coming from... personally, i could care less about what anyone is building in 2005 from a "new" supercar standpoint...Real supercars IMO were built 30+ years ago, not this year or last...Not to say I don't like or would mind owning a 2002 ZL-1 or a "new" Motion Camaro, or whatever, I just don't see them as anything like the real supercars of the 60s and 70s... they are cool cars, but theres no "mystique" about them. What makes older cars neat to me is how they survived years of being just regular cars that weren't cherished or worth much, beat on, used and abused, and have 30+years of history... These new cars roll off the showroom floor as collectibles, and will never turn into someones daily beater or race car like so many of the original supercars did...I don't know why that makes me think less of them, but it does... However, for everyone that feels like me, there is someone else out there that thinks a built in 2005 69 Motion camaro would be the shiznits and is lining up to drop down a big deposit for one to sit in their garage and look at and wax on. To each his own i guess, which is what the hobby is all about...

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Amen!

[Mr70]

Are those shiznits available in Green? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[JoeG]

What's coming out of GM is not catching anyones attention and for a Supercar Dealer from the past ,that's still with us and in control of the project, with some of the old crew to put an Old Motion SUPERCAR together is about the coolest Last Hurrah I can think of.-----My only regret is that I can't afford one, but knowing they're out there is what the Hobby is about----------------Motion ,Yenko, Harrell, Dana, Nickey--etc.--- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[JChlupsa]

Come on Joe, I bet Joel would take that old Chevelle of yours as a Trade-in for a newer car http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[JoeG]

Maybe Jeff,--But in my case turning the ignition switch wouldn't seem the same---------- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Supergas990]

I'm not sure what to think about this. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif On the one hand, these cars will be totally different than the cars he created in the day. On the other hand, it seems a little bit like high dollar Beenie Babies (you all remember when those were the rage). I know it's not the best analogy, but I think it's difficult to create a collectible.

You can create limited edition cars and they will be cool and sell for BIG $$$$$, but you can never recreate the magic of the era that led to these cars. You can't go back to the future.

Just because its old or rare doesn't make it collectible or an antique.

JMHO

Blair

[RichSchmidt]

PersonallyI feel,that all the arguements are moot.Some supercar builders reissued modified vintage cars and called them originals even though they were made"super"40 years after they were built new.Some super car builders aligned forces with current dealers to create late model examples of their old supercars.Joel rosen is the only one who can say that he has built supercars from both new cars and used ones.How about a 72 camaro that was given the pahse 3 treatment in 1976,They still fetch big bucks despite never seing the inside of Baldwin Chevrolet.Now it would be even more interesting if Joel used some of the new Dynacorn bodies and a bolt on front clip,to make and "All New" 69 Camaros.If nothing else,it would give us GM guys a chance to get even with the Musang guys who taunt us that there isnt a new Camaro to compete with the Mustang.

[55chevy]

Personally I wish Joel would go back into business as Motion Performance and start modifying cars like he did back in the day. ANY car a customer brought to him for the "treatment". I have a 74 Nova that would be right at the top of the list for something like that... And it would be a genuine MOTION car then, would it not? If something like that could be done at a reasonable cost I'd be right there. And not to make it some "instant collector item".. but make it the bad ass car that "I" want.. just like all the cars he built back in the day. And I tell you what. I'd drive the piss out of it on a daily basis.. Just like all the Motion cars of past had done to them.

that would be awesome. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[RichSchmidt]

ANd lets be honest about the pricingI believe I read somewhere that a phase 3 70 camaro cost over 10 grand at the time,and that was about the same as to cost of a new Ferrari at the time,and also about half the cost of a nice house in the suburbs of Jersey at the time.That would put th same car today at costing 200 grand.

[COPO]

Most of the BM cars were not quite that much, although a few did get into the five figures but were mainly corvettes. My '67 BM SS 427 Chevelle was $5,500. The '71 BM Phase III Camaro I had was around $7300. Your point is correct, however, that a loaded up Motion car was expensive at the time compared to a stock car. Performance costs money then and now. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Charley Lillard]

MOTION IS BACK!
The ultimate performance car icon of the Supercar Sixties and Seventies, the Baldwin-Motion big-block Camaro, returns for a limited engagement.

Sarasota, Fla. 08-05-05 WDB-News-- Joel Rosen and Marty Schorr, the people responsible for the ground-pounding, take-no-prisoners 1967-1974 SS and Phase III 427 & 454 Chevrolet Camaro, Nova, Chevelle and Corvette supercars, are re-launching the Baldwin-Motion and Motion brands...and a new, cutting edge 1969 Camaro! The Launch Edition of the new Baldwin-Motion Camaro SuperCoupe, powered by a 600-plus horsepower fuel-injected, all-aluminum 540-cubic-inch Merlin/Motion big-block, will debut on November 1, 2005, at the Sony display in the SEMA Show.

Rosen and Schorr have formed an exclusive strategic business partnership with Joel Ehrenpreis and Larry Jaworske, MOTION, LLC, Sarasota, FL, to market build-to-order, one-off, limited-edition Baldwin-Motion supercars and develop a line of Motion-branded high-performance products.

“Larry Jaworske and I have put together the ‘best of the best’ to ensure that our new-generation Baldwin-Motion Camaros will respect the brand’s original heritage and integrity and have no peers, on the road or the show floor, here or abroad,” said Joel Ehrenpreis, President, MOTION, LLC.


“These coachbuilt cars, including the Launch Edition 540-SC to be premiered at SEMA, will appeal to the discriminating collector who truly understands and values heritage,performance and peerless quality,” added Ehrenpreis. Baldwin-Motion big-block Camaros set the standard for street performance and left their marks in the NHRA and AHRA drag racing record books during the peak of Detroit’s Ponycar/Supercar era
Today, legitimate examples are mega-valued and highly coveted by top Musclecar collectors. A restored and fully documented (late-production) 1969 Phase III 454 Camaro recently changed hands for $400,000. The Motion King Cobra race car, built by Joel Rosen, brought $525,000 at the Russo & Steele auction in Scottsdale, AZ last January!
“Our new Camaro taps into the heritage, horsepower and high energy of our original 1967-1969 Baldwin-Motion big-block Camaros, plus showcases highly sophisticated styling, modern technology and a proprietary powertrain, tubular chassis and four-wheel independent suspension. It is an eye-popping, high-velocity, air-conditioned road warrior that will deliver racetrack levels of performance,” said Joel Rosen.
“To turn my dream into reality, I’m working with top stylist/designer, Kris Horton, legendary engine builder, Bill Mitchell who built original Baldwin-Motion supercars at Motion Performance and built and drove our record-setting 1968 Motion Supercar Club A/MP Camaro race car, and Mike Staveski and Phil Somers at Time Machines, Inc. (Hudson, FL), one of the top Musclecar coachbuilders in the country.”
“Since each new Baldwin-Motion Camaro will be built to order, there will be a full menu of luxury and performance options for purchasers to choose from, including ‘boosted’ engines to 1,000 horsepower. Bragging rights are standard,” added Rosen.

“I’ve been closely involved with Mitchell and Rosen on a Motion spec. powertrain combination, engineered exclusively for our new 540-SC Camaro. It’s really great to be working with certified adrenaline junkies who share my passionate pursuit of total performance,” said Larry Jaworske, MOTION, LLC CEO. Construction is underway on the Launch Edition Baldwin-Motion

Camaro SuperCoupe that will be shown to the media and the public for the first time at the Sony display in the SEMA Show, Las Vegas, NV, (November 1-4, 2005). Full color renderings and specifications will be available by the end of August.


# # #

TECHNICAL & SALES INFORMATION CONTACTS:
Joel Rosen: 800-866-3172, [email protected] (Subject:Motion Camaro).
Joel Ehrenpreis: 941-907-3077, [email protected]
Larry Jaworske: 941-378-5758, [email protected]
PUBLIC RELATIONS
Martyn L. Schorr: 941-957-0827, [email protected] PMPR, Inc.
988 Boulevard Of The Arts, Suite 1509, Sarasota, FL 34236

[mhassett]

Charley, Thanks for the Information--I've always wanted to go to the SEMA show and looks like now might be the time to see the new "MOTION" and also to stay at the new "WYNN" hotel (gotta keep the wife Happy too)lol. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Anyone else thinking about going??
Mark

[Charley Lillard]

We are at the Wynn also. Sign up your business for SEMA online.

[mhassett]

Charley, nothing was available at the Wynn until Thursday so we are staying "there" Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Are we missing much by not coming in until Thursday? What is the web site for SEMA?
Much thanks,
Mark

[Xplantdad]

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Charley, nothing was available at the Wynn until Thursday so we are staying "there" Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Are we missing much by not coming in until Thursday? What is the web site for SEMA?
Much thanks,
Mark

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Mark,

Here you go: SEMA Home Page (http://www.sema.org/main/semaorghome.aspx?ID=/content/SEMAorg/HomePage)

SEMA Show home page (http://www.semashow.com/main/main.aspx?ID=/content/SEMASHOWcom/HomePage)

[Charley Lillard]

Mark... The last day is Friday and all the vendors are tired and wanting to go home. I would try to at least get Wed and thurs in.

[RichSchmidt]

Actually,I dont doubt you are right,particualrly about the earler cars.I know that in an article a few years back which featured the red with white stripes 70 phase 3 car which I belive was in the Robson collection at one time,it mentioned that the cost of the car new exceeded $10,000 back in 1970 which was more then a new Ferrari at the time.I have a copy of the invioce from a 72 Motion built Camaro that was converted in 1976,and that job cost $10,600.That car had 4.10 gears put in the stock 10 bolt,along with the suspention package,a shift kit and super holeshot convertor in the stock trans and an LS6 crate motor with a cam,intake and carb kit.The car did have a set of wild wheel flares and wide tires all around which I am sure contributed to the cost of the bodywork,but it was still a big chunk for a car that was already owned.

[COPO]

The red w/white striped car was actually a '71 Phase III Camaro that I owned a couple of years ago. It was in 7 or 8 magazines. Milt never owned it, and it is now in Idaho. The car was bought new by a dentist from PA and was about $7300. I might still have a copy of the invoice somewhere. Cool car and I wish that I had kept it, but sold it to buy my 69 BM Phase III Camaro. The bottom line though, you are correct, they were expensive then and will be now.

[Born30YrsLate]

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The bottom line though, you are correct, they were expensive then and will be now.

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With Joel and his cars - no matter what year...you get what you pay for!... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Supergas990]

Just wondering how exactly they're going to make "Baldwin Motion " Camaros? I don't mean to split hairs, but the debate over BM -v- Motion Modified cars is always a dandy.

Where are these Baldwin cars going to come from? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Sorry if I sound like a downer, because I bet these cars will be cool as hell. They ought to build them using the repro bodies or using the clients cars, IMHO.

Blair

[Charley Lillard]

http://autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103003

[whitetop]

The white stripe on the side qtrs dooes not look right.

[Canucklehead]

Would'nt it be cool if they found 12 69 Camaro's that were originally sold through Baldwin Chevrolet!!!................"things that make you go HMMMMMMM!!!"

[COPO]

Cool!

[MOTION1]

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Just wondering how exactly they're going to make "Baldwin Motion " Camaros? I don't mean to split hairs, but the debate over BM -v- Motion Modified cars is always a dandy.

I have never weighed in on this subject, but honestly who cares WHERE the car came from?? IMO the cool part of the any supercar is what was done to the car by the respective company that did the modification. Anything that Joel has ever touched or that he intends to touch will be highly collectible and worth lots of $$. After all, there is only ONE Joel Rosen.

Dan

[mr396]

That is really COOL. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gifI want one. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[yenkoman]

I think it will be a great sucess and think how valuable the cars will be in 20 or 30 years. Joel and his people made a very smart decision to go ahead with it, financially and historicly.

[djunod]

It was a smart marketing decision to use the name "Baldwin-Motion" considering the hangup about that prefix when it comes to the resale value of the original cars.

[427TJ]

Think they'll build any in triple green? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Belair62]

With that white tail treatment I think FG would look bad ass

[RichSchmidt]

Thats the one,I remeber seeing an article about it back around 1990 in Muscle Car Review I think.It stated that the car was a low milage car bought from a dentist{I would have said doctor before you mentioned it}it also mentioned how it was either sold or almost sold for a screaming deal at an auction because most of the people there considred it to be some kind of gussied up hot rod and didnt know what it really was.I wish they were that stupid at the auctions these days.Back when I was still in high school I had a cutout picture of YOUR car tucked in the corner of my dresser mirror.I bet they still have that pic in a box somewhere.How cool is that?

[Canucklehead]

Check this out............
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/07/09/137129.html

[Canucklehead]

And this...........
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/08/19/140684.html

[COPO]

Here is an update:

[ QUOTE ]
Friends of Baldwin-Motion & Motion:
This week we will be releasing important technical information on the new
two-place Baldwin-Motion SuperCoupe to the media. Here's a heads-up:

The 600-plus-hp all-aluminum Merlin/Motion big-block is a brand new engine
and the first one, to be built and dyno-tuned by Bill Mitchell, will go into the
first Baldwin-Motion Camaro SuperCoupe. Before going into the car it will be
fitted with Kinsler Cross-Ram fuel injection.

The Camaro's engine layout is front/mid, with the big-block set back a full
12 inches on the tubular chassis. The front and rear chassis sections are tied
together by a tubular steel spine/backbone which runs through the console and
is welded solid to the body.

The interior layout is two-seat with a new IP assembly with MOTION-branded
instruments.

The Viper-based rear end utilizes a Dana 44 Posi centersection and custom
high-torque axles. The four-wheel independent suspension makes use of
fully-adjustable coil-over spring shocks and new Motion-branded Baer disc brakes
with
six-piston calipers and
14-inch cross-drilled rotors.

The SuperCoupe will debut and pricing announced at the SEMA Show on November
1 at the Sony exhibit.

As you can see, this is one serious Supercar!
Marty

Martyn L. Schorr
PMPR, Inc.
988 Boulevard Of The Arts, Suite 1509
Sarasota, FL 34236
941-957-0827
Fax: 941-330-9348
[email protected]

[/ QUOTE ]

[Canucklehead]

Here is the shop that will be building the cars;
http://www.timemachinesinc.com/finishedrestorations.htm

Go down to custom restorations. Click on the yellow cuda (the six shooter). I would imagine that this is the idea behind the Motion build as it says its viper based. Also look at the camaro build as the reinforced tunnel idea is incorporated there. So it must be a few ideas from these builds.

[68ys8030]

Guys,
This week i was lucky enough to be able to see the car AND
the motor for the #1 motion sc supercoupe!!! I'm telling you...Joel Rosen isnt playing around !!! I've owned my own performance machine shop for 14 years and have NEVER seen
a motor like Joel Rosen has put together for his car !!
I see it was advertised at 600 hp... its over 700 and runs on pump gas!!!! the most beautiful motor I have ever seen. All MOTION !! 10 second radial tire street cars that run on pump gas and cruise comfortably on the highway with the A/C on? I thought i built some nice stuff but i'm afraid to say rosen has me beat. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Its my understanding that there will be MOTION motors too??? Maybe even a line of phase III camaros for us "poor boys " who cant afford the sc supercoupes. I guess SEMA is where we will find out? I'll be there!!!
Seems like rosen is taking names.... look out
see ya ! 1 steve keech www.keechs.com (http://www.keechs.com)

[MOTION1]

See ya in Vegas baby! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Dan

[68ys8030]

Dan,
from what I've seen... trust me. you dont want to miss it.

[Born30YrsLate]

So who's going to be the official picture taker for this wonderful event...I nominate Bruce (Xplantdad) - he takes great pics...but I know, he's going to have to do a little traveling - but like his shirt said "I took the pictures at Barret Jackson Auction so Charley didn't have to"...that was you Bruce...right?...

[Xplantdad]

Fred...Yep...that was me...I was funnin' with Charley (with the shirt).

Unfortunately, I will not be able to go to SEMA...I'd love to...but the company that I do promotional work for is putting on a huge event that weekend....and the next.

Maybe next year? I nominate Jeff...or Seattle Sam...I know that he'll be there...and he takes great pics, too! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[kwhizz]

I'll walk in Bruce's shoes and take some SEMA pic's

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Xplantdad]

Ken... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Can't wait to see the pictures... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Charley Lillard]

ahhh...thanks

[Seattle Sam]

[ QUOTE ]
Fred...Yep...that was me...I was funnin' with Charley (with the shirt).

Unfortunately, I will not be able to go to SEMA...I'd love to...but the company that I do promotional work for is putting on a huge event that weekend....and the next.

Maybe next year? I nominate Jeff...or Seattle Sam...I know that he'll be there...and he takes great pics, too! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

I lost my camera battery charger (Nikon Coolpix 4500)on the way home from SCR8, Amazon is taking forever to send the replacement I ordered. If I get my charger in time I will take lots of pics, but no promises..
-Sam

[JoeG]

Joel sent me this photo of the engine----700 hp--- http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif-- http://www.yenko.net/attachments/164507-MOTIONENGINEa.jpg

[Born30YrsLate]

You can almost see the valve cover emblems on that thing???...none the less - WOW -