Time capsule 410 miles..wow

[SamLBInj]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-Chev...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-Chevelle-SS-Only-411-Original-Miles-Mint_W0QQitemZ4577433814QQcategoryZ6164QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem)

[camarojoe]

Notice both front fender bottoms are a totally different color than the doors. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif I know the fenders were painted separately...Could the factory paint be off that much? Would definitely want to examine this one closely.

[Charley Lillard]

Am I the only one that thinks the front fenders are a different color ?

[camarojoe]

[ QUOTE ]
Am I the only one that thinks the front fenders are a different color ?

[/ QUOTE ]
no. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[coke69Z11]

Matter of fact, they are different colors in EVERY pic, even the close-up! Maybe truth to the old adage, "A picture tells a thousand words". http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[DaJudge]

Man you are correct sir those fenders jump out big time. Looks like a nice car but can you take Sherman Tank green ??????

[Belair62]

Hey Mike...it's not green !!!

[Belair62]

Same guy had the 60 Impala http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1960-Impa...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1960-Impala-348ci-Only-4K-Orig-Miles-Museum-Car_W0QQitemZ4575465681QQcategoryZ6169QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem)

[MosportGreen66]

Its gold... 57 paint code is a deep gold/brown. One shade off Autumn Gold which is 58. Shading or an abundence of light can change these gold shades big time!

[budnate]

another nice car but with him fiddling around with them and painting stuff you cant believe the miles anymore...

[Supercar_Kid]

I dunno..the docs supporting the mileage look fairly solid to me.
http://imagehost.auctionwatch.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/viperbob99/2CIMG1638.JPG
It only showed 236 miles in September of '76. Doesn't look like Amelia strayed too far off of Wilshire. Neat ol' Chevelle for sure...even if there has been some fluffing. That's the closest I'll ever get to 1972.

[budnate]

should have worded it a little different just my personal thing..would like to see a motor left unpainted in low mile cars..the old it is what it is thing, dont get me started on photo shoots of nice cars and the drivers side floor mat is crooked and loaded with debri....lol

[Late BrakeU2]

"This Chevelle has been a one owner, lady owned car for most of it's life."

If most of it's life meant till 1975..That pink is dated 76,and it's signed off in the SECOND owners name with an addy in Hartford CT..

"It was sold new at Hanson Chevrolet in Los Angeles, California to Amelia Zeiser who stored the car in a climate controlled warehouse on Wilshire Blvd since new"

LOL,That "climate controlled warehouse" is actually an apartment building with a humid subterranean parking garage.


Bandini meter pegged in the red http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif this guy will never cull interest with that L65,it would be worth 10k more If Amelia had popped for an LS5 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[camaromb]

My LS6 has the same darker fenders with original paint. The paint is so thin the paint is darker with the black underlying primer than the doors/body over the grey primer. I'd say its original!
Mark

[Mr70]

I remember that on yours Mark.
Interesting that this Time Capsule has silver accented turn signal,Hi-beam & parking brake indicators around the Speedometer.
On this car,I would like to see it in person better and see if they are indeed Vacuum metalized or Testors paint pen.

[COPO427]

Who was the knuckel head that installed the hood pins? They were only on ZL2 Cowl Induction flapper hoods. Non flapper cars did not get the pins, at least on the 396 and 454's. If the 350 did then it's news to me.

[Mr70]

In 1972,the hood pins were standard on ALL Chevelles with the Super Sport or Heavy Chevy package,regardless of engine size or hood design.

[Bill Pritchard]

This same car has been on eBay a time or two before.

[firstgenaddict]

You have to remember that the front clip was not attatched to the rest of the car when it was painted. Even thought paint from the same batch was supposed to be used the environmental and spray conditions were probably not the same. With heavy metallics (even if the paint came from the same can) differences in humidity, air pressure at the spray gun, gun distance from the panel, and spray pattern could cause the paint to lay out differnet or the metallic to settle different.

[GeorgeLyons]

Mark is right on about the paint difference on the front clip. These cars were off a little when new, more evident with certain colors that did not cover well over different color primers like GM used on these cars. (brilliant) If the paint was a color that covered very well (solid colors or metalics with heavier base makeup like fathom green or dusk blue) the difference in primer color did not show up. GM cars had this going on from the inception of acrylic lacquer in '57 right up thru the late 70's. This car is likely original paint, I'd be suspect if fender/door match was dead on as they never were.

[mockingbird812]

Would the HD side post battery have been correct for this car?

[Mr70]

Yes,the Delco Side terminal R89 was the standard in 72.

My Very first Car was a Pewter Silver w/blk gut 72 SS like this one.Same options and all.Sold new from Fencl-Tufo Chevrolet in Beautiful Glendale Heights.
I still have it's Buildsheet & Pix.
I need a tissue...

[Rick H]

Shouldn't the trim around the instruments be chrome? I have sold a few of the repop dashes and all of them have the silver painted trim. This one looks like a repop.

I just looked at an original dash and it's chrome trimmed.

Rick H.

[Mr70]

The dash trim was originally Vacuum Aluminized metal,and only a few mils thin.
Driveway mechanics use Testors today.

[Rick H]

[ QUOTE ]
The dash trim was originally Vacuum Aluminized metal,and only a few mils thin.
Driveway mechanics use Testors today.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ok, it still looks wrong.

Rick H.

[Steve Shauger]

The paint being different colors on the main body and fenders was typical for the Camaro. Fisher painted the bodies, and the fenders were painted and assembled in another area/building by Chevrolet. This may also be true for Chevelles.

[Belair62]

Weird part is the lowers of the front fenders look darker...almost like they were spotted in...

[camarojoe]

[ QUOTE ]
Weird part is the lowers of the front fenders look darker...almost like they were spotted in...

[/ QUOTE ]
I noticed that too... Mismatched original paint should be mismatched everywhere, not just on the lower fenders below the stick-on side moldings where the fenders tended to rust first. As I said, could be original, could be spotted in... Would need to see it first hand to convince me it hasn't had paint work on the bottoms of those fenders.

[musclecarjohn]

[ QUOTE ]
The dash trim was originally Vacuum Aluminized metal,and only a few mils thin.
Driveway mechanics use Testors today.

[/ QUOTE ]

I have a new dash for my '70 and have inquired to plastic chromers to see if they could do mine and I keep hearing no so I guess it's the Testors method for me too... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Belair62]

There are folks that vacuum metalize....I can't remember the names offhand but I'm sure someone will pipe in...

[70CitrusZ]

Too bad they lie about the milage, cause its a "nice" car..weird color, but different as such.
look at the pic of the e brake handle..sun bleached,but the rest of the dash is mint?
411 miles = perfect showroom inside out un re-touched. Which this is not.

[musclecarjohn]

[ QUOTE ]
There are folks that vacuum metalize....I can't remember the names offhand but I'm sure someone will pipe in...

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd sure like to know because I do wnat that original,chrome look.I've seen others do it so I know it's possible... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]
Too bad they lie about the milage, cause its a "nice" car..weird color, but different as such.
look at the pic of the e brake handle..sun bleached,but the rest of the dash is mint?
411 miles = perfect showroom inside out un re-touched. Which this is not.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think the flash from the camera is making it looked washed out...this pic looks okay...?

http://imagehost.auctionwatch.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/viperbob99/2CIMG1525.JPG

[SuperNovaSS]

The entire fender look like a different color to me. I think its legit.
:. The buildsheets on the frame help support the low milage in my opinion.

Jason

[70CitrusZ]

If it is true milage then it needs to be driven 89 more miles to be officially broken in.
I'm just curious to know how someone could have this car this long and not have driven it.
Low milage, like 3-5k or under 50k or so is one thing, but under 500?
I always wonder how its possible...that car logged 12.5 miles per year?

[GeorgeLyons]

Those %#*(@# parking brake releases turned white if they never saw the sun. Dont go by that.

[Rick H]

Wait a second. Let me figure this out. 411 original miles???? Hmmm.

Ad says original woman owner since new her name Amelia, bought in 1972 in California. I see a 1976 registration for a Cris Carrier as the legal owner who lives in Hartford, CT. The other owner flew out to CA from CT to drive the car and then leave it in CA? You do the math.

Did two owners decide that this small block Chevelle was worth saving for the future? Plus look better then it did new?


Are we to think this car was towed on a trailer everywhere all it's life??

I myself do not believe it.

Rick H.

[Supercar_Kid]

[ QUOTE ]
I always wonder how its possible...that car logged 12.5 miles per year?

[/ QUOTE ] I bet it didn't...I don't doubt it sat dormant and undisturbed without any driving at all for many years. There are plenty of super low mile cars out there that sit in garages all sealed up with no plans of moving. How many 78-82-93 Indy Pace Cars are tucked away, Cosworth Vegas, 454SS pickups...seems there's one in every other town. I wouldn't be surprised if the car has had some minor restoration and preventative maintence (i.e. paintin' & shinin' http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif) to make it look as strong as it does today, but to totally discredit the mileage of this car w/o seeing it in person is a bit hasty IMO. It's only having 200 odd miles as late as '76 shows it was living a sheltered life in it's early years. By 1976 everyone was well aware that there wasn't much in the line of perfomance cars being offered anymore...plus considering what a '76 Malibu looks like, I'd have probably sat on this super low mile '72 if I could too. Don't hate...appreciate. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[bogusracer]

[ QUOTE ]
You have to remember that the front clip was not attatched to the rest of the car when it was painted. Even thought paint from the same batch was supposed to be used the environmental and spray conditions were probably not the same. With heavy metallics (even if the paint came from the same can) differences in humidity, air pressure at the spray gun, gun distance from the panel, and spray pattern could cause the paint to lay out differnet or the metallic to settle different.

[/ QUOTE ]


Perhaps I can shed some light on the process for painting the cars in an Assembly Plant since I have approx. 30 years experience in the Paint Shop in an Assembly Plant.

During that time frame, the sheet metal was on a seperate carrier from the body. Also the Sheet metal was "Dip Primed", where the body was Elpo coated and spray primed.
However there was a "Marriage Point" where the sheet metal carrier and the body carriers joined up in sequence so they both went through the paint booths at the same time, sheet metal ahead of the body.

It is my opinion from looking at the photos that one of two things might have happened during the painting process.

1) As the fenders were being processed the Reciprocators that spray the Metallic "Dust Coat" to eliminate the "mottled" (Dark Splotchy appearance) ran out of paint, or were shutdown prematurely due to a mechanical issue and never completed their final strokes on the fenders. That's why the rear lower portion of the fenders shows the most "Off Color" area.
(Recips are mounted in the spray booths and have "Arms" that move in a vertical up / down path with automatic spray guns attached. As the cars go by they paint the sides of the cars and apply a uniform coat of paint that properly orients the metallic flake in the paint to eliminate mottle)

2. The primary color coat applicatios failed to paint the rear lower fenders and part of the upper fender area also. This caused the off color (Dark areas) on the fenders due to the fact that the recip coat does not apply enough paint to achieve "Color Hiding" by itself.

In either instance there is insufficient "Film" build (Paint Thickness) to achieve a proper color match.

Unfortunately, I have been witness to numerous occurrances such as that in our Facility over the past 30 years. Not to say it was OK to ship something like that, but the reality of the situation is that some got out the door back then.

Quality Standards being what they were in the late 60's and early 70's it is not suprising to see a car like that make it out of an Assembly Plant and to the customer.

Additionally as has been pointed out previously, since both sides exhibit the same appearance, it was definitely a "Factory Error" that you see on that car.

Just wanted to share my knowledge with you concerning this and give my opinion of what may have happened.

As for my opinion of the mileage, well perhaps the lady who bought the car didn't like the paint job and couldn't get it repaired by the dealership, so she just decided to park the thing instead of drive it. .........

Just my 2 cents worth ........LOL


Bogusracer

[olredalert]

------Cars are not always put away just because someone thinks someday they will be collectable. More often or not, if the car would not be deemed collectable when new then you can figure the car was stored for another reason. Death comes to mind, along with overseas job postings, as well as long term health problems, and many more. When a car is put away for reasons other than purposely keeping it forever or for future monetary gain then all bets are off as to how the car will look when "discovered" years later.
------I once bought, out of the Boston Globe, a 55 Belair 2dr.H.T. with 1100 or so miles. The original older purchaser had passed away 2 years after the car was new. His wife didnt have a drivers license and rarely went in the garage where the car sat. When I first looked at it there were gallon and quart cans of paint glued to the hood with leakage from the improperly replaced lids. All the chrome was mediocre and the tires were absolutely rotten. The cars mileage was undeniable, however, when you looked at the interior.
------The car had to be painted and I tracked down all the chrome NOS (remember this was 1972) to bring it back to an acceptable standard. Sh** happens, so weather this car has the 400 miles or not dont jump to hasty conclusions. It doesnt benefit the seller or you..........Bill S

[scott s]

I have a few orig paint cars and some of the imperfections on them had to be quite noticeable to the dealer and the orig purchaser ie:runs,sags,blotchy areas,missed areas etc and still they were not addressed.I also work at a dealer and i think people were just not as pickey back then (a car was just a car) transportation ,now- a- days people live in thier cars and are more in tune with them, more than one occasion we had customers flipping out if there,s a damm scratch or dent on the car anywhere!! and they want it fixed before they take delivery, although pretty rare as the quality control is better in the plants the transport and the dealers, remember back then most people bought from the big 3 so the cars sold pretty much reguardless if they had faults or not. But today there is so many companies and models to choose from everyone wants to give u the best possible car for your money...so they say http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[70CitrusZ]

whoa.
I didn't mean to say theres "no way" its 411 miles...I just doubt it personally, or, theres more to the story on this car.

Plus this is only my .02, so no one take it personally k?

In any event, some of the 411 mile importance is obviously forever lost on this car,due to someones meddling.

I'm sure Jack would like to paint and primp parts of his low mile 70 Z, but he knows the original untouched(as much as possible) low miler is the way to go.

Of obvious repaints are all the radiator support top,and rad hold down areas on this Chevelle. Compare to the condition of the phosphated latch plate, which looks worse for wear than the paint areas all while being a tougher coating than the paint?
Also fender to door alignment is way off on both sides, and not even close to how "as delivered" alignment would be, and that along with the color match questions would raise suspicions about whats been done here.

"Maybe" the car has 411 miles on it cause it was wiped out in the front at 411 miles, and sat for years waiting to be repaired, If so, it still only has 411 miles on it which is very cool, but its a different story from the "climate controlled environment one"

You all who mentioned it, may indeed have a point about "pictures vs. in person", as some pictures are and can be a little deceiving, but some things seem glaringly obvious on this car.

I still like and appreciate the car, and its milage, just seems a little fishy.

In the end its always buyer beware as usual anyway...
Mark.

[Z28DZ]

Somebody say '93 Camaro Indy Pace car?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet...576163706QQrdZ1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-NEW-1993-Chevy-Camaro-Z28-Indy-500-Pace-Car-49-MILES_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6161QQitemZ457616 3706QQrdZ1)
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[ohhawk]

One source for the vacuum plating would be..

www.cvvacuumplaters.com (http://www.cvvacuumplaters.com)

There are other sources for "general" dash restoration. Just Dashes would be one of several.

It would be my belief that the 4 smaller gauges surrounding the speedometer (turn signals, emerg. brake light, etc.) should not have the vacuum plating for the 70-72 Chevelle SS. Another questonable element for this 410 mile car.

[mockingbird812]

[ QUOTE ]
One source for the vacuum plating would be..

www.cvvacuumplaters.com (http://www.cvvacuumplaters.com)

There are other sources for "general" dash restoration. Just Dashes would be one of several.

It would be my belief that the 4 smaller gauges surrounding the speedometer (turn signals, emerg. brake light, etc.) should not have the vacuum plating for the 70-72 Chevelle SS. Another questonable element for this 410 mile car.

[/ QUOTE ]

Know it is so (i.e. no plating) for 70 'velles wrt vacuum plating around those indicators, not sure about 71/72. Hey MR70 - you got your ears on? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[ss427copo]

Well, all things considered, you can't break the guyz testicles (am I allowed to say BALLS in here?) as a car from 1972!!! Come guyz, that's 33 years. Wished I look that good after 33 years! Nice car. Don't think I'd go 30K though. I just paid less than that for my 67 SS427 Impala! AND IT'S GOLD 2!
Jeff
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gifx2

[Belair62]

I think its pretty neat...if the paint looks that crappy on the lowers from the factory then I guess thats cool...oh and BTW Jeff...I'm thinkin you may be a bit proud of that big car !!! Very nice...

[69L89RAG]

I can recall in the mid 70's seeing a Plymouth on the show room floor with Factory dual stripes and where it met up in the front of the car the top stripe on the left met up with the bottom stripe on the right!

Also remember that when these cars were at the factory and being delivered they had some accidents. The repairs were done before delivery to the dealer. So some panels off color could also have resulted from that.

[Supercar_Kid]

[ QUOTE ]
Somebody say '93 Camaro Indy Pace car?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet...576163706QQrdZ1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-NEW-1993-Chevy-Camaro-Z28-Indy-500-Pace-Car-49-MILES_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6161QQitemZ457616 3706QQrdZ1)
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[/ QUOTE ] My point exactly...in 20 years people will be saying no way and http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif but there are lots of cars "tucked away" like that.

[musclecarjohn]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
One source for the vacuum plating would be..

www.cvvacuumplaters.com (http://www.cvvacuumplaters.com)

Thanks for the lead...wow,$605 + shipping to do the dash bezels air vents,and the center "Chevelle" emblem! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Back to the 410 mile time capsule:

I especially liked the post from the painter w/30- yrs. experience at the assembly point.He did shed some light on the possible things that could have happen.I can believe that people weren't as picky as they are now...to a point.
The comment about most cars purchased from the Big 3 back then rings true and I think quality was probably more of a "take it or leave it" proposition.I think we all know quality control wasn't what it is now.

I am in the automotive business and just wanted to chip in my .02 as to the how the manufacturers handle these problems now.Most have HUGE staging areas where gazillions of vehicles of various makes are unloaded from the railcars and are held until being sorted and transported to the dealers.All kinds of damage happens here or during transportation to them..These staging areas have their own body shops and paint booths.
They do repairs all the time and if it is under a certain dollar amount ($500 I believe),they do not have to disclose it to the dealer.I have seen some of the worst repairs you can imagine and then I have seen repairs that were hardly noticeable unless you were told.I have chased down water leaks in brand new cars and traced them back to the staging areas only to learn shoddy repairs were made there.

This stuff happens all the time and I bet it happened even more so way back when... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[69HURST]

I have seen this car in person, and almost purchased it last year. The last non dealer owner of this car was Mike Sayles of mass who is married to Ruth Pointer of the Pointer sisters. The car was aguirred by Doc's classic auto in milford mass last year. I lokked at the car at his facility. He had some light detailing under the hood, radiator support and suspension to remove a light rust scale. I became suspicious of the car and did some research. I got wind that Chris White of hopkinton mass did some work to this car. Chris was at my place for a car inspection and i asked him about that car. He told me straight out the car was a malibu and he cloned it to an "SS".. he put the hood on the car and installed the dash, he also painted the stripes and had to paint the bottom of the fenders as to change the emblem holes. For all you people that cant tell only the bottoms of the fenders has been blended.. Maybe Chris can shed more light to this malibu. SM

[Astock]

If the car has the orig. pop and is not a dupe, wouldn't it show a non-super sport engine code?

[69HURST]

I dont believe so in 72

[69HURST]

Talk about strange,, 3 weeks ago this car was on ebay from seller "usacycles" #4571740912....WITH A BIN OF $75K

Now on with BIN of $38500

[GM-26]

You're absolutely right! I watched that auction from start to end.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...focusZbsQQfviZ1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4571740912&ru=http://motors.search.ebay.com:80/4571740912_eBay-Motors_W0QQcatrefZC5QQfclZ3QQfromZR7QQfrppZ50QQfso oZ1QQfsopZ1QQpfidZ0QQsacatZ6000QQsofocusZbsQQfviZ1 )

[69HURST]

I believe some people got to the owner, Randy and cast some doubt on the authenticity...... SM

[69HURST]

The auction just ended with a "buy it now" bigmoney321 is the winner of this low mile clone

[Astock]

The trim tag should tell you if the car started out as a Malibu or a Chevelle...again,if it's the orig. trim tag.

[GM-26]

Well, it looks like "bigmoney321" used the "Buy it Now" option for $38,500.00. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[Rick H]

[ QUOTE ]
Well, it looks like "bigmoney321" used the "Buy it Now" option for $38,500.00. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Look at his bid history and tell me if you think he bought that fake.

I bet not! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

Rick H.

[ohhawk]

Pretty disgusting is a kind way of expressing my thoughts.

I believe the only way in this example ('72) one would have been able to find out if it truly were an SS would be through a buildsheet or POP. Cowl tag would not give you the proof as to SS or not for this year. Well, the remaining buildsheet showed little and the POP picture wasn't shot close enough to pick up any coding which would have shown (or not) a Z15 package or option. Funny how those things were conveniently hidden or unavailable.

Should have left what was probably a pretty nicely preserved original alone.

[Jeff H]

Doesn't the VIN show what the original engine was in 72? So would that show if it's an SS or not? I don't know Chevelles all that well but I would think the engine is specific to the SS350.

[ohhawk]

The VIN would and does in this case show a 350 V8 (2bbl.) but the SS option in 72 was now available with any V8 engine including as small as a 307. Just ordering a 350 version didn't automatically give you an SS. Had to be ordered as an option....Z15.

[Mr70]

Someone picked the right year to clone,but the wrong person to do it.
That's commendable of Chris to speak up. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Belair62]

[ QUOTE ]
Weird part is the lowers of the front fenders look darker...almost like they were spotted in...

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[camarojoe]

Now, who was it again that was swearing that the mismatched paint on the bottom of those fenders had to be original? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Belair62]

I bet there are a lot of crappy original bloopers....this story took a pretty drastic turn...went from wondering about little details to a full blown clone ?? Unbelievable..smallblocks suck anyway

[Hotrodpaul]

Just goes to show you you can't take anything for granted these days, or anybody's word for that matter. Buyer beware.

Paul

[camarojoe]

The entire gauge cluster would have had to been changed out too, so the 411 mile odometer is also not the original one from the car. I agree, it was probably a really nice low mile original malibu that should have been left alone... now theres not really anything anyone can be sure about on the car.

[Seattle Sam]

[ QUOTE ]
I bet there are a lot of crappy original bloopers....this story took a pretty drastic turn...went from wondering about little details to a full blown clone ?? Unbelievable..smallblocks suck anyway

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey Bob I'll take those two 70 small block cars off yer hands.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[scott s]

I have been contacted by (jimmie hendrix) since this auction and told that i have priced my car to cheap now the price has doubled http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[TDW]

[ QUOTE ]
I bet there are a lot of crappy original bloopers....this story took a pretty drastic turn...went from wondering about little details to a full blown clone ?? Unbelievable..smallblocks suck anyway

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey Belair...Hows that LT1 running?

[Belair62]

As any smallblock does !

[Supercar_Kid]

Now it makes sense why the tire pressure sticker is shown loose.

I also noticed upon closer inspection of the pics that the partial build sheet shows GS1 2.73 gears. Were 2.73s available on a legit Z15 optioned SS car in '72?

Pretty long legs for anything trying to be a legitimate performace car.

[Mr70]

Yes...My 72 Chevelle SS L-48 came stock with an open 2:73 KD rearend.
As I stated earlier,He picked the right Chevelle to build the Super Sport foundation on.
By 1972,Chevrolet accommadated ANY Low horse,Hi-Po profile motif.

[427TJ]

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Pretty long legs for anything trying to be a legitimate performace car.

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My buddy's '67 SS 396 Camaro (L35/M40) came from the factory with a 2:73 Posi. He's the second owner and bought it in 1979. He still has it.

[musclecarjohn]

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I bet there are a lot of crappy original bloopers....this story took a pretty drastic turn...went from wondering about little details to a full blown clone ?? Unbelievable..smallblocks suck anyway

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That's a funny statement since I would rather be driving my DZ302 '69 Z/28 over my '70 LS-6 Chevelle...ANY DAY OF THE WEEK! Not that the LS-6 is bad mind you http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gifbut just a little lap time behind the wheel of a true DZ motor will convince anybody of what's real Chevrolet High Performance.

Long live the 302 & LT-1 and every other GREAT Chevy small-block ever made! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[Belair62]

Have you never been in a properly tuned L72 my man http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[musclecarjohn]

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Have you never been in a properly tuned L72 my man http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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Did I mention I have a '70 LS-6 4-speed Chevelle?

Yes it is fun but nothing (and I mean nothing)beats twisting a DZ302 to 8-grand...NOTHING! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Belair62]

The only difference is you are actually getting somewhere in the LS 6 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Steve Shauger]

I think Belair has the small mans complex. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[NWYENKO]

As much as I love small blocks(currently have '70LT1,'66L79 and Chev truck with 383 Stroker and had a DZ302 for 11yrs)there is nothing like the torque and roar of an L72(had one). http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Jim

[njsteve]

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Have you never been in a properly tuned L72 my man http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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Did I mention I have a '70 LS-6 4-speed Chevelle?

Yes it is fun but nothing (and I mean nothing)beats twisting a DZ302 to 8-grand...NOTHING! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

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You can twist an LS6 to 8-grand.....once. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[musclecarjohn]

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Have you never been in a properly tuned L72 my man http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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Did I mention I have a '70 LS-6 4-speed Chevelle?

Yes it is fun but nothing (and I mean nothing)beats twisting a DZ302 to 8-grand...NOTHING! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

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You can twist an LS6 to 8-grand.....once. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif funny stuff nj!

[olredalert]

--------As the many year driver (someone had to do it) of one of the baddest SS/DA LS6 Chevelles ever on a track (10.14 at 133) I agree with that L72 part. Theres nothing like vast amounts of torque.
--------As for the 8000 grand comment, why do it when you have absolutely no reason to!!!.........Bill S

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

[quote--------As for the 8000 grand comment, why do it when you have absolutely no reason to!!!.........Bill S

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Because you can - and the sound, wow! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ORIGLS6]

"You can twist an LS6 to 8-grand.....once. "

Not true. You can do it at least twice! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

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As for the 8000 grand comment, why do it when you have absolutely no reason to!!!.........Bill S

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Let's see........ Slick blacktop; Street tires; Zero traction, and gobs of horsepower............... it gets there before you know it! Trust me, it happened twice and the car is STILL running!!!

The car had been in the shop for some service work and I had the service technician with me at the time. He convinced me to 'test things out' before I signed off on the work. We made two 'test runs'. The tach went past 8K in low gear both times. After the first run I told him what I saw. He said he had never seen a 454 twist that tight; "Do it again". Even accounting for some needle bounce, I'm guessing the car would still have been well above 7500. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Strangely enough, I talked with this same fellow just a couple of weeks ago and he mentioned that ride. He knows the car VERY well and actually saw it sitting in Gibb's showroom two days before I took delivery.

But I have to agree..... a small block loves to sing in excess of 7K!!!!! That's why I'm building an LT-1 for my '57. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[LVCamaro]

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I think Belair has the small mans complex. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

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Nah...if you've noticed his new graemlin, you'd realize he drove his 427 cars last weekend [it's something he tries to do every couple years] and it ususally takes 4-5 days for him to recover. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[SS427]

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That's why I'm building an LT-1 for my '57.

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Is that what that was buried in the garage with a post-it-note on the back window? Something about cleaning garage and getting to work on the '57........? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[DarrenX33]

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it's something he tries to do every couple years

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Well it's not easy getting them out of the Matchbox garage. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Belair62]

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it's something he tries to do every couple years

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Well it's not easy getting them out of the Matchbox garage. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

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Well I can only beat on your cars once a year Steve...Darren...eat me !!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[sssteve]

Boy you guys are vicous,but justifiably so.First time on,(except introduction)and while I'm no expert on small block ss 72 chevelles (I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong)but according to my memory(and my GM parts book)I don't recall SS cars came with rocker moldings.These only came on malibu's Pt#3980800 &3980799 Gp.8.304 "EXC-SS-PKG".Nobody mentioned this, am I out of line?Steve

[Rick H]

Hi Steve and welcome. You are not out of line but since the car has been proven to be a complete hoax this thread has been taken over by the "my engine is bigger then your engine, nah, nah,nah, nah naaaahhhh" folks. Sit back and enjoy the show, it gets better.

Welcome again.

Rick H.

[70CitrusZ]

Brute straight line acceleration owing to torque.
Fight goes to BBC.
Singing the song of revs,turnin the twisty mountain hiways,
Fight goes to SBC.
I'm sorry, but I haven't found a big block car that keeps up to me in the twisty's.

Gotta love em both, but two different animals.

Having said that, every time I got in my last Malibu, I revved my mech. roller 427 (stock gm steel crank, stock dimple rods ..albeit the full meal prep deal,, to 8500.

As I bought it used, It also had been beat on prior to my ownership, with a 300hp hit of nitrous, and the ungodly revs.
It never missed a beat or broke any parts while I owned it, so if its built to rev, there's no reason to hold back.

Now, granted that may not apply to stock or restoration BBC's and/or 454's because of the longer arm....

Pedal to the metal!!

[427TJ]

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Well said. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[ss427copo]

now you are talking, baby. 427 cubic inches of RAT MOTOR. Right up my alley! Anyone want to compare burnouts!? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.giflololol

Jeff http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gifx2

[ss427copo]

yes there is........twisting my L72 to 7800!!! check the Tell-Tale on the Jerry Stahl gear driveb tach. (circa 1970) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[ss427copo]

you, my man, need to stop in South Jersey for a lesson in real RAT MOTOR muscle..........(don't take this personally.)
Owned the DZ302...the LT1......no comparision. Love the winding up of a mouse motor......but, come on,.....BB torque??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[SS427]

I have always said, a small block may get you there faster (higher revs) but a big block will scare the hell out of doing the same.

[Rick H]

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yes there is........twisting my L72 to 7800!!! check the Tell-Tale on the Jerry Stahl gear driveb tach. (circa 1970) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

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Hmmmmmm, no RPM's or oil pressure. You didn't happen to hear a loud bang just before you snapped the picture did you? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gifhttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Ha Ha

Rick H.

[Belair62]

You were supposed to look at the tell tale needle !!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Rick H]

I did look at the needle and that is just about where that load noise should have occurred. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Rick H

[ss427copo]

drop me a PM............then leave me your Tele#........then hold on a minute while I start the Camaro! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif All I did was run thru the valves after that blast and change the oil. Ready, set go (and of couse, washed it!)http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[ORIGLS6]

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OK........




(Jeff Chlupsa photo; SCR8 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif)

[bad1racing]

Dennis,I think that was the best burnout of the weekend.We took lots of pictures of burnouts that weekend but didnt get one of those.Maybe you should put a bigger motor in it to break the tires loose at 1200rpm instead of 1500rpm http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif Just kidding!Very nice person to talk with,and an even more nice car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif
Kendall