ebay rant

[70CitrusZ]

Here's a piece of information that should be posted somewhere for ebay users who list vehicles for sale.

1) Rare only applies if it is rare, and doesn't get you more money if nobody cares how rare your 4 door LTD wagon is, so don't call it rare.
Simply being old does not make it rare.
Simply being rare does not make it valuable.
If the reason you think it is rare is because you don't see many anymore, perhaps its because the model in question was so useless and ugly that they were all squished.

2) "Muscle car" is not a generic term that can be applied to any 60's and 70's 2 door car. ie: a 1966 chevelle with a 283 and a 2spd auto is not a "muscle car", neither is a 318 Charger.

3) "Numbers match" does not add more value to a car with a non-performance driveline, or a car that has no driveline based importance or significance.
A 1965 valiant with a "numbers match" 6 cyl does not make it worth more than any 1965 valiant with or without an engine.

4)"Survivor" does not mean it simply survived.

5)Don't picture your car with some flashy wheels and tires if they don't come with it. You might as well just say you are trying to decieve people.

6)If your car is a 1966, put it in the 1966 listings.
Do not add.. "not a 1964,65,67,68,69" to the listing and making the listing pop up in wrong year listings.
This makes most people want to slap you upside the head.
If I'm looking for a 1970 Camaro, I don't want to see your 1972 Matador.

7) If your car is not a Hemi car, and/or does not have a Hemi in it do not put Hemi in the title.
Same applies to Yenko, Nickey,Harrell, etc.
A 1968 Suburban with a Nickey sticker on the fender does not make it a collectors item.

End of rant.

[VintageMusclecar]

And a damned good rant that was! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Couldn't agree more.

Unfortunately, P.T. Barnum was right. As long as people continue to fall for that kind of nonsense, other people will continue to do it, and profit from it.

[SamLBInj]

You forgot one,
<<If your camaro was professionally restored it should NOT have that damn FORD CAUTION FAN STICKER>>
So please remove it or people will figure your restoration shop was run by a bunch of idiots and frigged up the rest of the car while giving you the screwing of a lifetime because you are too stupid to realize what parts should or shouldnt be on your car and basically you deserved the screwing you got as there is no way somebody that stupid could possibly have the kind of money it would take to have the car professionally restored in the first place. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[musclecarjohn]

good rant I'd say... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[SamLBInj]

Also,
<<Matching Numbers Car>>
This means the car has all the original parts it left the factory with, it does NOT mean your registration numbers match the vin numbers, the little chrome SS or 350 trims match each other or the price your selling it for matches the tach numbers. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[70CitrusZ]

Oh ya, the infamous floresent caution stickers.
If I wanted to get into cheezy stuff the rant would be several pages though.....

[SamLBInj]

When I want to find a nice 72 amc matador I always check the hemi cuda listings first http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[69L89RAG]

While we are at it how about:

TYPING IN ALL CAPS!!!!! It is really annoying to read.

Spelling errors. Geez, run a spell check!

[mssl72]

Or: typing in all lower case and not using any punctuation it makes all the sentences blend together it makes you read in a monotone voice in your head i hate it when they do that it drives me crazy have you run across this too i hope not because it makes reading the ad so much harder thats all for now

[12bolt]

tell this to ebay scum "jefyrock"

[kwhizz]

Or not knowing how to Spell..........

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Z-11 396]

I must admit, I have done it, not on purpose, but just not taken time to double check my work...SAM...caught me the other day, when I meant to say//// short time...I left off the ...r.., and said ..shot time..in a hurry I didn't use spell check, SAM, I'm going to try to do bettter..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif....Kasey

[djunod]

Easiest trick is to open up a new Outlook mail message and start typing in your text. It will do all the spell checking for you. Then when you're done, copy & paste it into your e-bay auction (or forum message).

[Rick H]

Jeez, if everybody did what as been suggested there wouldn't be one car for sale on eBay. Then what would we do?? Oh yeah maybe get a real life!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

Rick H.

[SamLBInj]

[ QUOTE ]
I must admit, I have done it, not on purpose, but just not taken time to double check my work...SAM...caught me the other day, when I meant to say//// short time...I left off the ...r.., and said ..shot time..in a hurry I didn't use spell check, SAM, I'm going to try to do bettter..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif....Kasey

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I dont spell check, Most of these guys reading this stuff are just hillbilly's anyway and just barely gradiated da sixed grade http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Here is the real group picture of the Yenko.net moderators http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/160780-beverlyhillb.jpg

[Belair62]

Hey can I be Elly Mae....I like to get in her pants http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Belair62]

From left to right...Tom Clary with the cool hat...Jeff from Hawaii,Me and then Charley

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey can I be Elly Mae....I like to get in her pants http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

BELAIR!!! Not while the kids are reading over my shoulder!

Reminds me of an old Steve Martin bit where he said that if he was a woman he'd just lay around the house all day and play with his breasts.

[Z-11 396]

You ''guys'' or should I say ''gals'' sure had me fooled, http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif... that's not at all how I pictured you-all. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif........Kasey

[55chevy]

Here are a few actual Ebay listing headlines... makes you want to punch someone in the head... Why do so many morons put in the headline what the car is NOT????? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

70LS6 Chevelle,bld sht,37k mls,not 67 corvette,69camaro

1972 Chevelle Custom not Camaro SS Yenko Shelby Foose

1971 Chevy C-10 Pro-Street, Not Camaro,Chevelle,Nova

1997 chevy s10 convertible gmc not ss

1960 60 chevy belair 283 powerglide not ford or pontiac

2002 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 not Ford F-150, GMC

1986 IROC-Z Camaro - 5.0L - Low Miles - Not 67 68 69

1970 1/2 SS 396 4SPEED L34 RARE #'S MATCH not Z28 YENKO

1959 CHEVY APACHE CLASSIC TRUCK NOT 1956 1957 1958 FORD

68 NOVA CHEVY II (NOT CAMARO SS MUSTANG) MUSCLE CAR

1975 Chevrolet Nova SS not camaro or chevelle

94 LT1 CHEVY CORVETTE NOT MUSTANG, CAMARO, MUSSEL CAR

1967 Nova 4dr not 2dr or SS

1966 Caprice Woodie Wagon Not 66,67,70 Chevelle

1984 CHEVY REAL Z-28 5 SPD NEW MOTOR NOT MUSTANG GT SS!

Ford : Galaxie 2 Dr hardtop 352FE BIG BLOCK not mustang, fairlane, chevy, dodge

1961 FORD F-100 UNIBODY,NOT CAMEO:RATROD KUSTOM HOTROD!

..........and many many more... whyyyy ? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gifhttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[55chevy]

I guess when I get my Nova done and list it on Ebay I'll have to conceive my heading so it fits in I guess...?

something like: 74 Nova Custom not SAAB, Pinto, Yenko, Duster, Baldwin Motion, Ford F250, blown rat rod, jeep

[SamLBInj]

If you really want hits and exposure list it like this...
1967 Camaro, Not SS, uni-Sex, Yenko, triple-Sex, Baldwin, unknown-Sex, Dana, Sex-tuplits.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[SamLBInj]

Funny, Here is an actual Plumbing invoice I just sent out written up by my secretary...
1. Master Bath: Removed dripping 4" ballcock as it could no longer fill unit in proper fashion and replaced with new power flow 9" ballcock.
2. Kitchen: Shut down and removed instant hot creator and installed new cock hole cover to keep fluids from dripping into lower unit.
Whoever invented plumbing terms must have been some pretty weird people.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Or you have a weird secretary.

[SamLBInj]

[ QUOTE ]
Or you have a weird secretary.

[/ QUOTE ]
Maybe a little of both http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Born30YrsLate]

Engineering has some "interesting" terms as well...since this is a family site I won't elaborate...I wouldn't want anybody to explain things to their kids any sooner than they have to...

[djunod]

Check out this one filled with "NOT" and "NONE"

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/427-4-BOL...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/427-4-BOLT-MAIN-BBC-321-435-HP-L88-CORVETTE-CAMARO_W0QQitemZ4578603833QQcategoryZ34202QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[djunod]

Another one to add to the list:

If you are trying to sell a good part, then do a little bit of clean up on it (spray it off with a hose and wipe it down). Otherwise, the dirt & dust tells me that you are just trying to hide some defect.

[70CitrusZ]

That 427 on ebay is a prime example.
The engine has absolutely NO significance of any type,(its a 396 with a 427 crank,which he points out is a "real" 427 crank as opposed to what.. a fake one?, who cares? a 396 or a 427 steel crank..other than possibly a p/n they are the same anyway..) yet he's got so many "buzz" words he has a whole paragraph devoted to them.

To me this is at least decieving, and borders on fraudulent. There is no other reason to put in all the terms which have NOTHING to do with what he is selling.

These ads are meant to pray upon people who may not be as "swift" or "savy" to this stuff as others my be.

Some may figure this as a marketing tool to get their ad seen, but the reality is that ebay has search tools and hundreds of sub-sections to help narrow down searches, then guys like this bung it all up for the intelligent users, and at the same time provide a means of ripping off the less informed.

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
To me this is at least decieving, and borders on fraudulent. These ads are meant to pray upon people who may not be as "swift" or "savy" to this stuff as others my be.

Some may figure this as a marketing tool to get their ad seen, but the reality is that ebay has search tools and hundreds of sub-sections to help narrow down searches, then guys like this bung it all up for the intelligent users, and at the same time provide a means of ripping off the less informed.

[/ QUOTE ]

It's pure marketing. We all know that a vast majority of commercial advertizing is deceptive to some degree. Marketers have to carefully deceive people into parting with their hard-earned money. Most of the time it's basically harmless: "Better eat your Wheaties." Or else what? What happens if I don't eat my Wheaties? Well, nothing, the Wheaties people would just like you to buy Wheaties.

There's almost always some amount of "snake oil" involved in a sales pitch. It's up to the buyer to know snake oil when he sees or hears it. EBay is just another marketplace where snake oil flourishes, much as it does on a new car lot. If you don't know your way around then the sales people will take as much money from you as they can get.

The line between good marketing and pure bull___t is usually very blurry. EBay just brings it all into our homes and puts it 18 inches in front of our faces--uncomfortably close for most people.

[SamLBInj]

Check out his key words:This would even pop up on on a search of guitarist Dave Navarro, a kid looking for a slingshot and what the hell is a megasquirt http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Check out my other cool stuff! Key words. camaro camero corvette chevelle el camino elcamino nova chevy II standard auto z28 rs rally sport ss super sport dz 302 327 ha hb 350 3 4 speed power glide turbo 350 400 drag race car pro street tubbed caged roll cage Nickey M-22 12 BOLT 4 SPEED Big block Chevy Chevrolet 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 SS396 COPO ZL1
Chevy SCCA Traco Penske Donahue Trans Am Yenko
Baldwin Motion, Berger, Dana, Fred Gibb, Dick Harrell,
Nickey, Bill Thomas. RS SS RSSS Z28 MO DZ 302 Festival
Pace Car 435hp Coupe Roadster L79 327 L71 L89 L88 427
Big Block Tri Power Dontov BelAir Bel Air Biscayne
Full size Impala Caprice SS Super Sport 396 SS396 RS
Rally Hugger Z28 Chevelle Malibu 300 Deluxe Nova 100
200 Stingray Corvette Monza 500 El Camino GM General
Motors and vintage speed shop and nostalgia parts from
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Boss 429 Cougar pat warren speedster v 8 ford quick
change quick change frankland 60 v8 flathead flat
head vintage wico lsr land speed bellytank belly tank
el mirage muroc scta lakester salt flats dry lakes
gemsa offy almquist winfield rutherford roof miller
eddie meyer bell auto fenton cragar thickstun
tattersfield spalding kong navarro evans grancor
hilborn schiefer offenhauser edmunds harman collins
crower riley scot old halibrand eelco racecar race car
ratrod rat rod hot rod hotrod decals water transfer
sprint car indy supercharger Graham Paige frenzel
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banger 4 b block motor engine hemi 392 1926 1927 T
turtle deck 26 27 stewart warner 32 1932 30's whippet
coupe 3 window 5 general jumbo clark rare modified
dirt track dodge Chrysler Stromberg 97 81 gow job
Ardun auburn panel chris craft Garwood nostalgic
dragster slingshot 59a hop up street 33 34 35 36 37 38
39 40 funny car altered gasser willys zephyr bell auto
Z11 Strickler Jenkins Shartman Dyno Don COPO YENKO
baldwin motion fred gibb NHRA IHRA camaro corvette
chevelle nova El Camino Bracket racing pro stock
Impala Caprice 1955 chevy 1956 chevy 1957 chevy
Bel Air Super sport ralley sport RS SS Z/28 small
block chevy SBC big block chevy BBC edelbrock Holley
offenhauser tunnel ram high rise DF ralley wheels Hot
rod rat rod restoration 283 326 327 350 383 400 402
426 427 440 454 455 502 540 548 , Chrysler hemi
Mopar Baracuda Cobra 1967 camaro 1968 1969 Firebird
trans am Nascar SCCA
efi technology DFI accel holley big stuff 3 f.a.s.t.
fast hilborn crower enderle engler vortech ati psi ssi
g force mezier weldon dedenbear BTE Hughes Coan B&M
TCI k&n jesel kb keith black kinsler gear vendors
overdrive drce 2 pro stock prostock drag boat offshore
top alcohol pro modified arizona speed and marine
keith eickert msd nos throttle body haltech aem
megasquirt electromotive lucas can am pro touring
pro-touring

[Belair62]

Here is what it should be


NOT camaro camero corvetteNOT chevelle el camino elcamino nova chevy II standard NOY auto z28 rs rally sport ss super sport dz 302 327 ha hb 350 3 4 speed power glide turbo 350 400 drag race carNOT pro street tubbed caged roll cage Nickey M-22 12 BOLT 4 SPEED Big block Chevy Chevrolet 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 SS396 COPO ZL1
Chevy SCCA Traco Penske Donahue Trans Am Yenko
Baldwin Motion, Berger, Dana, Fred Gibb, Dick Harrell,
Nickey, Bill Thomas. RS SS RSSS Z28 MO DZ 302 Festival
Pace Car 435hp Coupe Roadster L79 327 L71 L89 L88 427
Big Block Tri Power Dontov BelAir Bel Air Biscayne
Full size Impala Caprice SS Super Sport 396 SS396 RS
Rally Hugger Z28 Chevelle Malibu 300 Deluxe Nova 100
200 Stingray Corvette Monza 500 El Camino GM General
Motors and vintage speed shop and nostalgia parts from
the following companies, firestone racing race cyclone
Boss 429 Cougar pat warren speedster v 8 ford quick
change quick change frankland 60 v8 flathead flat
head vintage wico lsr land speed bellytank belly tank
el mirage muroc scta lakester salt flats dry lakes
gemsa offy almquist winfield rutherford roof miller
eddie meyer bell auto fenton cragar thickstun
tattersfield spalding kong navarro evans grancor
hilborn schiefer offenhauser edmunds harman collins
crower riley scot old halibrand eelco racecar race car
ratrod rat rod hot rod hotrod decals water transfer
sprint car indy supercharger Graham Paige frenzel
wilcap 31 ford 1931 30 1930 model a roadster four
banger 4 b block motor engine hemi 392 1926 1927 T
turtle deck 26 27 stewart warner 32 1932 30's whippet
coupe 3 window 5 general jumbo clark rare modified
dirt track dodge Chrysler Stromberg 97 81 gow job
Ardun auburn panel chris craft Garwood nostalgic
dragster slingshot 59a hop up street 33 34 35 36 37 38
39 40 funny car altered gasser willys zephyr bell auto
Z11 Strickler Jenkins Shartman Dyno Don COPO YENKO
baldwin motion fred gibb NHRA IHRA camaro corvette
chevelle nova El Camino Bracket racing pro stock
Impala Caprice 1955 chevy 1956 chevy 1957 chevy
Bel Air Super sport ralley sport RS SS Z/28 small
block chevy SBC big block chevy BBC edelbrock Holley
offenhauser tunnel ram high rise DF ralley wheels Hot
rod rat rod restoration 283 326 327 350 383 400 402
426 427 440 454 455 502 540 548 , Chrysler hemi
Mopar Baracuda Cobra 1967 camaro 1968 1969 Firebird
trans am Nascar SCCA
efi technology DFI accel holley big stuff 3 f.a.s.t.
fast hilborn crower enderle engler vortech ati psi ssi
g force mezier weldon dedenbear BTE Hughes Coan B&M
TCI k&n jesel kb keith black kinsler gear vendors
overdrive drce 2 pro stock prostock drag boat offshore
top alcohol pro modified arizona speed and marine
keith eickert msd nos throttle body haltech aem
megasquirt electromotive lucas can am pro touring
pro-touring

[djunod]

For a good laugh, check out his other auctions...

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They have a few heli coils here and there, but how many of these heads don’t by now?

One of the heads in one of the combustion chambers has some light pitting from something floating around in the cylinder at one time in it’s life. It’s very minor and only cosmetic.


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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/074-ALUMI...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/074-ALUMINUM-RECTANGLE-SQUARE-PORT-HEADS-427-430-435-HP_W0QQitemZ4578615666QQcategoryZ34202QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

He has no negative feedback... but look at his Feedback left for Others...

[SamLBInj]

Send this to him..
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[GNT]

And it dosen't matter how much evidense you have that Mike Tyson got laid in the back seat."Oh my God.What is that on the floor!"

[sssteve]

Add one more.When listing your creampuff on ebay please take your pictures in the DAYTIME.I've seen so many pictures taken at night with no flash or in a garage with a single 5 watt lightbulb surrounded by cardboard boxes with 15 years of accumulated nicnacs and garbage.When looking on ebay at your mint 10k original mile Impala SS I don't really give a s**t about the beautiful Montana sunset in the background. And then telling me how mint the engine compartment is while the photo shows the hood up and I'm looking into a black abyss.Other then living in Fairbanks Alaska in mid December I don't see what the problem is.

[rangelec]

I just got back from a 10 hour round trip to turn down a Z28 that I bid on and won off of ebay last week. Supposed to be rust-free my buddy who went with figured that the must have meant that if I bought the car I got the rust for free! The first thing I did was remove the rear quarter vent and took a look-full of black silicone and undercoating. Bottoms of doors were rusty and rs header was held together by bubbling bondo. But the guy has the balls to call it rust free?????? I am real glad I did not make a down payment using paypal because all I was out was a day of work and $100 worth of fuel. I am done buying cars on ebay-3 out of 6 that I have bought were totally misrepresented.

[69L89RAG]

I have bought numerous cars off eBay and have never been disappointed. I have several rules that I follow.

1. Talk on the phone with the seller. Ask them to nit pick the car. have them walk around the car and describe the smallest item. Tell them that you are planning on coming to see it or have it inspected even if you are not.

2. Ask for very specific photos of known problem areas for the type of car you are looking at.

3. Ask for photos of the body(paint) with reflections in it so you can see that the paint and body are flat.

4. Get photos of the areas that most people don't take the time to fix right (under dash, door hinges, pinch welds by rear dog legs and rockers, back side of rockers.

5. Make sure that the photos are of good quality, not necessarily high resolution because your computer screen can't display anything too high anyway. Good lighting some in sun and some in the shade (not dark).

If you don't get what you ask for ask again, if your still not satisfied PASS!!!!!

It always works for me.

[rangelec]

The guy had listed completely rust free in the ebay ad-I asked him via email if it was original rust free-as it had 53000 miles on it and had been stored for 20+ years-and he of course said that it was rust free. I did not talk to him on the phone-probably should in the future.

[70CitrusZ]

I would be seriously pissed at anyone who called a car rust-free, and it had any rust whatsoever on it.

To top it off, "rust free" isn't a label to apply to a total rustbucket that has had all its pans replaced with taiwan tin either...call it what it is, "rust has been REPAIRED"..
Rust free means just that...no rust ever, anywhere (excepting thin aurface rust, no pitting)
He deserved a royal reaming, and a verbal lesson in wasting someone's time and money.
I'd have no hesitation in telling him how I felt right then and there. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif