Thoughts on this '71 Z28 RS

[ohhawk]

....especially from those that know their 2nd generation Z's. Any caution flags?

http://wholesalecalifornia.com/71_red_z28.html


Thanks.

[Mr70]

Looks very Nice and they even included the EEC Charcoal Cannister as built.
It deserves 4 Spiral Shocks. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Late BrakeU2]

8/20 motor in a 12C -four months?

[CamarosRus]

It would be interesting to take an informal poll of other 71 Z owners over at Nasty Z28......but that eng assy date is TOO big a spread by 1970 Standards. I'd like to see a list of all other component dates before I offer my opinion.
Is anybody else surprised, how far, how fast these 70-71 Z-28 prices have come ?????? Incredible what we shoulda, coulda bought just a few years ago.......

Regards, Chuck

[Late BrakeU2]

I guess it's down to what's important to you in a collector car, but if I was going to drop that amount on a second gen I would wait for a 70..If you're going to be bear,be a grizzly! JMHO

Not an RS,but I would opt for this one.especially if the miles are true-
http://babish-auto-sales.ebizautos.com/d...et/Camaro/Z-28/ (http://babish-auto-sales.ebizautos.com/detail.aspx?iid=794727&anchor=/1971/Chevrolet/Camaro/Z-28/)

[CamarosRus]

Bogus replaced fan shroud is a tell tale sign of something fishy ??????? With no paper trail and REAL history, milage claims dont mean squat.......

Chuck

[Rick H]

I wouldn't be to concerned about the GM replacement fan shroud. Still and only thing available from GM in that form.

Rick H.

[ohhawk]

Appreciate the input thus far especially on the time gap. Sounds like 4 months would be a caution flag. As far as other thoughts/assumptions I would only mention ....

* Red Z seller will sell for less than published price in the ad. I have been in touch on this car for quite awhile.

* Spoke to the owner of the blue Z a couple of days ago. Also a nice Z but not as finished as the red one based on what I learned.

Yes, there is some truth to being a "grizzly".

[TDW]

I wonder how the radiator got smashed.
On the top by the hose.Blue car.

[COPO427]

The only thing that looks odd is the trim tag mounting holes. The blue one, who says that's the mileage?

[Supercar_Kid]

The blue Z above is owned by a local dealer who is a good friend of mine. The miles are legit, and he has paper out the yin yan for it, including original window sticker, P-O-P, Original Title, Pre-Delivery Inspection Checklist, and even some receipts. He picked it up from the original owner earlier this year. The car was raced breifly at one point w/ an automatic and still retains a modified auto X-member. It's not 100% perfect but it's not really a restored car. This is/was a fairly well known local car for years, my buddy just happened to be the one to get lucky enough to finally shake it loose. Plenty of originality left and no question on the miles, original smog equipment, shift knob, and just about every other part no matter how trivial was saved and came with the car. Not cheap, but a good '71 Z IMO.

[Rick H]

If I had a choice I would choose the blue one over the red one based on both info.

4 months between motor and car build date is too much as Chuck mentioned. Unless there is a POP to prove otherwise.

Shouldn't the heater hoses on the red car be the ribbed type? Ahhh, picky, picky. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Rick H.

[dkatap]

Both look to be very nice cars. I would enjoy having either one of them. In the fall of 70, there was a strike and I don't think any cars were built in Oct. or Nov. So on the red car, I think the Aug date engine is possible, but it would help to know the casting date of the block and additional component dates. I think the 837 alternator could have a Aug. 5 date. Everything looks good to me, except minor details such as heater hoses, power steering hoses, tie rod end rubber boots.
A few things I noticed on the blue car is that the pass fender has been replaced, also the master cylinder and the fan shroud as Chuck mentioned. Also I noticed that the trunk weatherstrip is installed with the seam at the top, which I would be surprised it left the factory that way.

Dennis

[olredalert]

-------The Mike Canfeild mentioned in the add was Corvette Mikes right hand guy for a long time. I heard that he had gone out on his own but this is the first time I have seen his name. He has always seemed like an OK guy........Bill S

[CamarosRus]

The right fender indentation was added in 1974 and later in 74 was cutout preparing for the a certain 75' Air Cleaner application. ORIGINAL 70-73 Camaro right fenders do not have this indentation. MANY, MANY 70-73 Camaros were restored, repaired with these indented NOS later year fenders. It is always a tell tale sign, that car is NOT a true survivor.

Chuck
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Camaro%201970%20Resto%20Details/FenderRightAirCutout74Z.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Camaro%201970%20Resto%20Details/RightFenderIndentation.jpg

[71SSNova]

My 71 Nova SS is a 12A car with the numbers matching block. Casting date of Sept. 12, '70 but a build date of Dec. 2.
GM was on strike Sept. 15, 1970 to Nov. 20, 1970.

[Johnny Horsepower]

I don't know if it applys with these cars and the LT1 but,
my 69 RA IV conv's engine has a similar gap. evidently the RA IV motors were built in batches and it often took months before a car was built with one. I would guess Chevy's high volume might make this theory not apply http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

I like em both...... at 02's prices http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Supercar_Kid]

Yes the blue Camaro has had a fender replaced since it was dented when a woman bumped into the car years ago, it was replaced in '93 with a then NOS GM replacement, and the original fender is still with the car, along with all the original smog tubes, the original shifter knob, and the original master cylinder with bleeders. Sure some of these items have been changed during the car's 34 years of life, I wouldn't discredit the car because of it's fender.

The car has been repainted and "freshened" all which happened in 1993 when the original owner decided to revive it a bit. This is all mentioned in THIS THREAD (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/156406/page/0/fpart/3/vc/1)
If anyone is serious about buying the blue car, I strongly suggest you give the owner a call and speak with him personally. He's got nothing to hide. This car has a pile of docs and the selling dealer Watkins Chevrolet in Boswell, PA is still in business and the owner can personally remember selling the car, this has been verified. It may not be a "survivor" but there's no question it's a legit all #'s matching Z28 with some very unique options that HAS NOT BEEN RESTORED aside from a paint job, new door panels and a carpet kit. Call it whatever you want, I'd say it's got to be in the top 10% of un-monkeyed with 2nd Gen Camaros out there.

I've also got about 75 detailed photos of this car, top and bottom, if someone can point towards a good free web hosting site maybe I can get them up for all to see.

[ohhawk]

Regarding the gap in time issue for the red Z. I've heard from two other people that there was a strike during this period of time as has been mentioned earlier in this thread. I've tried to find something in print to verify but haven't had any luck. Could well explain the 4 months.

[njsteve]

I've heard that strike info as well. The more famous strike was in 1972 when the entire F-body model year was scrapped after a strike that began in April 1972 and lasted til September 1972. Only those Camaros and Firebirds that were built and delivered before March '72 got out.

[71SSNova]

Here's the info I have on the strike.
http://www.gm.com/company/corp_info/history/gmhis1970.html

[njsteve]

That's strange, they mention the 10-week 1970 strike but totally avoid mentioning the 6-month Norwood strike in Spring '72 that killed the model year for the 72 F-Body cars, and almost ended the entire F-body program.
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