Camaro reveal news

[ANDY M]

-----Original Message-----
From: scott settlemire
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 3:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Please tune in for the unveiling...........

My fellow Camaro and Firebird Friends........

I can't tell you how happy it makes me to announce the following:

Please tune in Monday, January 9, at 10:30 a.m. EST to join us in the LIVE reveal of the Chevrolet concept car at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit. You will NOT want to miss this! You can view the live reveal on the Web in one of the following ways:

GMtv: http://gmtv.feedroom.com/?fr_story=FEEDROOM128215
The video will appear in the full GMtv web site. If you miss the live reveal, the archived footage will be available at the same web site by about 1 p.m. EST. You will see the archived version on the right-hand side under features.

Alternate:
Starter:
http://starter.feedroom.com?fr_story=77559a44ce828d3165a9 31df46fa03990772162d

A window will pop up when you click and play the news conference. This provides a basic small window that is simple to use. If you miss the live reveal, the archived footage will be available at the same web site by about 1 p.m.

Thanks for joining us for this exciting event.

Scott wants you to tune in Monday! This will be the real deal. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[njsteve]

To put it bluntly: If it is the car on the C&D internet link, then I'll be spending my time writing out my deposit check for a 2009 Challenger. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[70 ls6 convert]

If its not due out untell 2009 they still have time to fix it.My wife noticed the rear qourter window area, it looks good, but the rest of it needs work,its to bad they took this design so far they should of had about ten rough drafts and posted them on this site for us to help them decide.. Then took the best one. Who ever re-did the challenger deserves a super big pay raise..

[L34Pace]

I hope the car runs better than the link. Thanks for the invitation though.

[Mr70]

I think Charleys there now?
I would imagine he will share more info & pics ASAP.

[BARN FIND]

I hope Charleys has some actual pics instead of the POS renderings that are on the GM website.

[musclecarjohn]

[ QUOTE ]
To put it bluntly: If it is the car on the C&D internet link, then I'll be spending my time writing out my deposit check for a 2009 Challenger. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

X100!

The front end of that concept is totally wrong...back to the drawing board GM! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[Charley Lillard]

pics I took this morning http://www.camcojb.com/detroit1.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

http://www.camcojb.com/detroit2.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

http://www.camcojb.com/detroit3.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

http://www.camcojb.com/detroit4.jpg

[Salvatore]

Thanks Charlie! I guess it will have to grow on me. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[TXSS]

Disappointing. I would preferr it to look more like the new Motion Camaro and less like a Chrysler 300. I do not like the bulbous look that many automakers are going to.

Seeing all the automakers trying to recapture the designs of the 60's & 70's is a real tesimate to just how beautiful and timeless those designs really were. Nothing produced in those numbers these days even comes close.

[Stuart Adams]

Thanks Charley. I like it. Just change the nose. Love how the tires/wheels fit in there.

[sYc]

Charley, what was the reaction from the folks there?

[NEW]

I like it, only thing i agree with Stuart if they¨d change the nose a bit. In no way this is the "mold" for production, so they will change it, and the only time anyone of you will look at a challenger, or mustang is in your rearview mirror..

I am keeping my faith up, and will GM the benefit of the doubt, this camaro if it is given some changes and makes it to production, will rule.

NEW

[NEW]

Like this picture, slightly modded car, the fog lamps installed deeper, shaved door handles.., RS grille

I like it..

NEW

[ORIGLS6]

Needs work. Still looks like a Caddy. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[Stuart Adams]

Way better than the last camaro version.

Charley, any engine choices ,etc. revealed.

[Mr. T]

[ QUOTE ]
Like this picture, slightly modded car, the fog lamps installed deeper, shaved door handles.., RS grille

I like it..

NEW

[/ QUOTE ]

An SS/RS? Now that is what I am talking about! I would definately stand in line for a RPO optioned Camaro like that. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Steve Shauger]

It is growing on me , but not what I was looking for.

[JTH74]

It sucks, Chevrolet builds another LOSER! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[jg95z28]

[ QUOTE ]
Like this picture, slightly modded car, the fog lamps installed deeper, shaved door handles.., RS grille

I like it..

NEW

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't like the RS version. It makes it look too retro. It really isn't as retro as people think it is. If it makes production I'm buying one.

[Jeff H]

I like it. It needs a little softening of the front end but otherwise it's ok. It does look like a Cadillac or Chrysler a little with the shape. But I don't know why people want a retro look so bad. If you want a 69 Camaro, buy a 69 Camaro. The Challenger concept looks cool, but it's the same as a 70 Challenger so why bother? I'm just glad they're bringing it back and it's still a 2 door rear wheel drive.

[af1fe]

Jeff,
Exactly what I was thinking. They showed it on the NBC news tonight at the Detriot Auto Show. I'm wondering where GM is planning to build it?

[Donutblue]

In my opinion a touch of every generation was put into this proto-type to satisfy all Camaro fans.

[JQ]

It could be massaged in a few places but I don't think it's all "that" bad. I'll judge the finished product.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Seattle Sam]

For release: Jan. 9, 2006, after press conference


CHEVROLET CAMARO CONCEPT:
CAPTURING THE TIMELESS SPIRIT OF CAMARO

- Thoroughly modern interpretation of the classic sport coupe
- Dramatic design, responsive performance

DETROIT – Combining dramatic design and exciting performance, the Chevrolet Camaro Concept recaptures the spirit of one of the most popular sport coupes of all time and redefines the Camaro for new generations of fans.

The Camaro Concept embodies the performance and passion that have made first-generation Camaros some of the most sought-after collector cars, updating the formula with a fuel-efficient powertrain, sophisticated chassis and contemporary design execution. The goal is to make the sport coupe relevant to younger enthusiasts while retaining its appeal to its current fans.

“Millions of people of all ages fell in love with the Camaro for all of the right reasons,” said Ed Welburn, GM vice president, global design. “Camaros were beautiful to look at and offered performance that could rival expensive European GTs. Yet they were practical enough to drive every day and priced within the reach of many new car buyers.”

Though only a show car at this point, the Camaro Concept is intended to explore customer reaction to design and engineering elements that might lead to an all-new version of the Camaro.

The long hood, short deck and wide stance of the Camaro Concept leave no doubt that it is a serious performance car. Those looks are backed up by a 400-horsepower aluminum small-bock V-8, a six-speed manual transmission, and a sophisticated chassis with four-wheel independent suspension.

Like its forebears, the Camaro Concept would be practical enough for everyday use. It features fuel-saving features like Active Fuel Management™ cylinder deactivation technology, yielding highway fuel economy of 30 mpg or better. Its overall size is a comfortable fit for city streets and suburban parking lots, and its back seat provides occasional seating for two adults.

Lean, muscular design

Because of Camaro’s powerful heritage, the GM Design team chose a theme that pays homage to the original Camaro, while being instantly recognizable as an all-new car.

Said Bob Boniface, director of the Warren Advanced Design Studio, “The fact that the Camaro has been out of production for a number of years made it particularly important that the Camaro Concept honors the Camaro heritage in the right way.”

The 1969 Camaro, considered by many to be the best first-generation design, was a significant inspiration. But as GM design teams in Warren, Mich., worked on alternatives for the Camaro Concept, they also turned to the latest Corvette and to aircraft like the YF-22, seeking a design that encompasses the spirit that made the 1969 Camaro great, but interprets that spirit in a fresh, exciting way.

“The overall proportions, long hood and powerful fender forms say, ‘This is a front-engine, rear-wheel drive performance vehicle,’ ” said Tom Peters, design director, rear-wheel drive performance cars. The prominent front grille and hood bulge hint at the power of the Corvette-derived V-8 engine. Large wheels and tires, exposed high-performance brakes and prominent fender shapes signal that the Camaro Concept has the handling and braking to go with the powertrain.

The cockpit of the Camaro nestles between sharply defined fender forms, a design element inspired by fighter planes and the new Corvette. And like any high-performance vehicle, the clean, purposeful design is integral to the aesthetic. “The Camaro Concept isn’t just a styled shape,” said Peters. “The design incorporates what the vehicle needs to perform to its optimum level.”

The same purposeful design is reflected in the interior of the Camaro Concept. The gauges and splash of orange trim hint at classic first-generation Camaros, but the overall design and execution reflect the no-nonsense functionality that drivers expect from a high-performance Chevrolet sports car.

Performance for the real world
The Camaro Concept features the latest generation of GM’s legendary small-block V-8. The 6.0-liter LS2 engine features an aluminum block and heads for light weight, and Active Fuel Management™, which shuts off four cylinders to save fuel when the engine is lightly loaded. This concept version of the LS2 is rated at 400 horsepower, yet it could also deliver more than 30 mpg at highway speeds.

The Camaro Concept’s six-speed manual transmission provides a wide spread of ratios for aggressive acceleration off the line, confident passing and merging and efficient highway cruising.

Modern sports cars are about more than just straight-line speed, so the Camaro Concept features a sophisticated rear-wheel drive chassis. Its independent front and rear suspension features progressive-rate springs and gas-pressurized dampers. Four-wheel vented disc brakes with 14-inch rotors provide confident stopping under all conditions.

Enhancing both the performance and appearance of the Camaro Concept are unique five-spoke cast alloy wheels, 21 inches in the front and 22 inches in the rear.

An American icon
Designed in the mid-1960s, the first-generation Camaro captured the optimism of an era. The Baby Boomers were in their teens, rock-and-roll and Motown ruled the airwaves, and American culture was sweeping the globe.

Like the Impala, Chevelle and Sting Ray, the new Camaro showcased Chevy’s strength of bringing stylish, high-quality cars to a mainstream audience. Its dramatic proportions and graceful lines recalled both the Corvette and the Italian Gran Turismo cars of the era. And its powertrain lineup, which soon included both the potent Z-28 small block and big block 396s and 427s, gave the Camaro the performance to go with its looks.

But what really made the Camaro an American icon was that it was accessible to millions. Chevy sold more than 699,000 Camaros in its first three years. So for every Z-28 taking the checkered flag at the track, there were thousands of less exotic Camaros cruising the drive-ins, picking up the groceries, or taking the family on vacation.

“The Camaro Concept is designed to have that same broad appeal, with unmistakable style, spirit and performance,” said Welburn.

# # #


Contact:
Tom Wilkinson
Design Communications
Phone: 586-986-5143
E-mail: [email protected]


SPECIFICATIONS – CHEVROLET CAMARO CONCEPT
Vehicle type: two-door, four-passenger rear-wheel drive sport coupe
Wheelbase (in / mm): 110.5 / 2806
Length (in / mm): 186.2 / 4730
Width (in / mm): 79.6 / 2022
Height (in / mm): 53 / 1344
Track (in / mm): 63.8 / 1620 front; 63.3 / 1607 rear
Engine: 6.0-L V-8 LS-2, 400 hp / 298 kw, with Active Fuel Management™
Transmission: six-speed manual T56
Suspension: four-wheel independent: MacPherson strut front, multilink rear, progressive rate coil springs, gas-pressurized dampers
Brakes: four-wheel disc, 15” rotors with four-piston calipers
Wheels: cast aluminum, 21” front, 22” rear
Tires: 275/30R21 front, 305/30R22 rear

[Seattle Sam]

Here are a few more pics..driving up, in sight for the first time -

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/sbesser/2006%20Concept%20Camaro/DSCN4651.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/sbesser/2006%20Concept%20Camaro/DSCN4654.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/sbesser/2006%20Concept%20Camaro/DSCN4655.jpg

[Seattle Sam]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/sbesser/2006%20Concept%20Camaro/DSCN4657.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/sbesser/2006%20Concept%20Camaro/DSCN4659.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/sbesser/2006%20Concept%20Camaro/DSCN4661.jpg

[Seattle Sam]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/sbesser/2006%20Concept%20Camaro/DSCN4663.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/sbesser/2006%20Concept%20Camaro/DSCN4664.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/sbesser/2006%20Concept%20Camaro/DSCN4669.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/sbesser/2006%20Concept%20Camaro/DSCN4666.jpg

[MosportGreen66]

I like it...

GM does not like retro... why would we expect a retro Camaro? This is cool for 2009 Camaro. Better than nothing.

[Seattle Sam]

Dan,

Happy Birthday - I hope you like the new Camaro, born on your day!!

In person (IMHO) It's a good looking, muscular car with "attitude". Our goal now is to contact GM and Chevrolet and tell them we want one built for production.
-Sam

[Seattle Sam]

By the way, the Camaro is the big auto show news around here, with TV news coverage mentioning Camaro Saturday night, Sunday night, and tonight the Camaro led all the new releases from the show.
The unveil was attended by all kinds of GM brass, including the head of Chevrolet, the head of GM, Bob Lutz, and lots of other dignitaries including Roger Penske and Jim Perkins.

The GM Heritage Museum event Sunday evening was awesome as well..
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif -Sam

[Les Quam]

I don't dislike it but it doesn't generate in me that "I gotta have one" feeling like the Challenger or Shelby GT 500 does. I look at the Challenger concept or New 2007 Shelby and immediately get an emotional reaction that I have to have one. This concept has me looking for things to like. I am trying to like it but it doesn't generate much excitement. It would have to come with tremendous performance for me to buy one. Kind of vanilla generic styling like the new Corvette. Very GM like in styling IMHO.

[Tenney]

Roof line's nice. Cowl induction? Curves of the profile are pretty cool, too. Though the edges and angles of the nose/tail seem inconsistent - from a different project, maybe? Z06 drivetrain'd go a ways toward curing what ails the aesthetic, for me. That said, the Challenger's all of a piece. Same the GT500.

[Zedder]

I really don't care for the large wheel lips or whatever you would call them. They look as out of place on the Camaro as they do on the base C6. At least they got it right on the Z06...if you compare the Z06 wheel lips with the base C6, it looks like the Z06 is how the car was supposed to look and the C6 looks chunky and out of place.

[JoeG]

At least they got away from the "GENERIC" styling---It's got Caddy dna, but it is a workable platform--If they can smooth the angular lines out a bit and maybe go down a shoesize or two in the tires,I think maybe you might just find a http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif first run of Camaros --I just hope they follow thru with production ---------It's a first step towards the light......

[Born30YrsLate]

I think it needs a more pronounced hood scoop...the cowl hood lines get lost in all the other lines on the car...I would like to see the stingray style hood on the car...can anyone photoshop that?...similar to what was mentioned before, if I saw this car in my review mirror I would think it was a caddy...it needs to look more aggressive from the front and a more noticeable hood scoop would help - I think...

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
But I don't know why people want a retro look so bad.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey Jeff, ever wonder why they are still selling Mustangs and the Camaro and Firebird are on vacation?

[LVCamaro]

I think the car has an interesting look/appeal...but as presented, it just comes up short of earning the Camaro badge, IMO.

SS

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
I think the car has an interesting look/appeal...but as presented, it just comes up short of earning the Camaro badge, IMO.


[/ QUOTE ]

My sentiments exactly. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Jeff H]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey Jeff, ever wonder why they are still selling Mustangs and the Camaro and Firebird are on vacation?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, because of the dam union GM had. That's what's killing GM to begin with. People should be happy to have a job in today's world. There's no union at my company and guess what, we had our best year last year. But getting back to the cars, I haven't hear a single person in my office say the word Mustang in several weeks so that indicates that the novelty of the retro Stang is already wearing off. People drive Mustangs because it's a Ford 2 seat rear wheel drive car called Mustang. They always have and always will. And most of them don't even care for performance and get a 6 cyl. It was the first affordable pony car and the first car most people remember seeing when they were young. The Camaro has always been an underdog in terms of trying to match the Mustang sales and I don't think it ever will. As for this new Camaro, I hope they go down on the wheel size, round off the fender/quarter edges, alter the front nose/grill some. But even if they don't, it looks like a fun car to drive.

[DarrenX33]

I bet if the Challenger and Camaro go into production the Camaro gets left at the starting line. Heck let's start our own poll (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/182192/an/0/page/0#182192) ...

[Jeff H]

If they went into production at the same time the Camaro would outsell it because the Challenger just doesn't have that big of a following. Same as the Mustang would outsell the Camaro even if the Mustang looked like a Yugo! People cling to the brand loyalty much stronger than you think. Heck, I've only ever owned Chevrolet cars(and 1 truck) and Toyota trucks(older stuff).

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
Same as the Mustang would outsell the Camaro even if the Mustang looked like a Yugo!

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[camarojoe]

Darren I hear ya, and agree that the Challenger initially has a "cooler" look IMO than the new camaro, basically because its a more familiar shape, and mimicks the 70-71 Challenger almost piece per piece, in everything from the interior to the body panels. That makes for a cool looking car, BUT what happens in 3 years when everyone who thinks a "new" 70 Challenger is cool already has one? How do they bring out the "next generation" car? Mustang is going to have the same problem... once you take a design backwards, its hard to move forwards again from there. The PT Cruiser was hot as fire when it first came out too, as was the new beetle... but aside from changing wheel designs and some mild facia updates, its difficult to totally "redesign" a car that is almost 100% retro in appearance. With the Camaro, while it has some retro touches, its still essentially a "modern" car, and can therefore be changed, updated, and evolve into a 6th or 7th generation. I also think this is why the Corvette avoided going too retro... once you go backwards with design, its hard to go forward again. Lets just say I'm just very glad to know they didn't just let the Camaro die, and I think it's gonna grow on alot of people who are hating on it right now... myself included.

[DarrenX33]

Agreed. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Another example. The T-bird....

[camarojoe]

Exactly... people thought that was cool too... for a year.

[Mr70]

I'd purchase the new Concept Challenger before I'd buy this new Camaro.
And I hate the new Concept Challenger...

[1967Z28]

They debuted the red (non-operational) Camaro concept at the LA auto show yesterday. Caught everybody by surprise including the GM people at the show. The guy who had to talk about it was called in early so he could cram for the show. He was pretty nervous that he was going to flub up the details. In person I thought the car was pretty cool and the designer was there so I told him so. Yes, I could stand for a little different grille treatment but if this is what they come out with, I would definitely buy it. To me, it earns its Camaro stripes.

-Jon

P.S. Looks like we might actually be able to see more than the front 1/4 of the engine when we pop the hood on this one. That 4th-gen situation did not do it for me. Might as well weld the hood closed.

[Mr. T]

and the ragtop version.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/mistermister1/NewCamaro2.jpg

[Jacsey 70Z]

I'm wondering what the Z28 version will look like? or is this the Z28? I think it's a Great start and I think a few have it correct GM doesn't want to go backwards in design and have a flash in the pan, in the long run will pay off when the other car companies are saying now what.
Besides I'll bet this car will have twice the motor and drive trains of the others, you can have the Hemi don't they put them in their mini vans?
I agree the front end needs some fine tuning, but give me a badged Z28 equipped like Z06 then see who buys the others!!

[PPPJJJFFF]

The Hemi that will make it into the top of the line Challenger will not be found in a mini-van. Take that to the bank. If you thinks the design team from chrysler won't be able to build on this Challenger platform 4 years from now, your kidding yourself also. So far they have hit a "Grand Slam". Instead of dragging the Hemi and Challenger through the mud, I would focus more time on what GM introduced on Sunday and how they can improve! I think they are way behind the eightball right now! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

Patrick

[PPPJJJFFF]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm wondering what the Z28 version will look like? or is this the Z28? I think it's a Great start and I think a few have it correct GM doesn't want to go backwards in design and have a flash in the pan, in the long run will pay off when the other car companies are saying now what.
Besides I'll bet this car will have twice the motor and drive trains of the others, you can have the Hemi don't they put them in their mini vans?
I agree the front end needs some fine tuning, but give me a badged Z28 equipped like Z06 then see who buys the others!!

[/ QUOTE ]

There are rumors that the new 392 Hemi crate engine, designed for racing, will go along with the new Dodge Challenger body. The 392 is apparently a racing-only engine in current form, not a production design, but a lower-power version may well be made for production and appear in the Challenger. The Challenger concept car to be shown at NAIAS (Detroit, January 2006; the Camaro will also be shown) uses, not surprisingly, the SRT-8 6.1 liter engine — but, unlike any current production LX car, it also has a six-speed manual gearbox. (Automobile suggested that the 510 horsepower 6.4 liter 392 Hemi might be used.) There are issues with the 392 - most notably the question of what untrained drivers will do with that much power. A fairly large number of Vipers left this world unexpectedly
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Patrick

[COPO427]

Even though I'm a Chevy guy, I would go for the Challenger.
GM missed the boat again. I can just see it coming, creating the Camaro off another platform like the Monte and slapping Camaro badges on it. Just like the GTO, created from the Grand Prix. What a lazy bunch of creators http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif. I think they need help from Chip Foose and Troy Trepanier. Troy in my books is one of the best builders out there. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

See
http://www.radrides.com/home.php

http://www.radrides.com/photogallery.php?sub=cuda

http://www.radrides.com/gallery/cuda/1.jpg Rogans Cuda, from fear factor.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=9&article_id=3104

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[camarojoe]

[ QUOTE ]
If you thinks the design team from chrysler won't be able to build on this Challenger platform 4 years from now, your kidding yourself also.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, just look what they did with the Prowler.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Belair62]

I wonder if the Challenger has tinny and crappy built into it like the old ones !! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Lynn]

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I wonder if the Challenger has tinny and crappy built into it like the old ones !! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

LMAO Just what I was thinking.

Lynn

[COPO427]

[ QUOTE ]
I wonder if the Challenger has tinny and crappy built into it like the old ones !! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Eww, better watch out, there maybe some Hemi and six-pack guys here.

[rsatz28]

[ QUOTE ]
I wonder if the Challenger has tinny and crappy built into it like the old ones !! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Offer the Slant 6 and it will feel like driver's ed all over!

[COPO427]

The new Camaro looks like a chunky chocolate car that Dare could use in a commercial for cookies. I think the guys that designed the Camaro were the same so called designers who created the new Caddy XLR. You guys at GM are too freakin funny. Now get back to the drawing boards and design something smaller.

Oh Oh what is this?

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/08/xlr05.jpg

[Mr70]

I'll have what your having. http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/k/hippy.gif

[mr396]

Chevy needs to do something with the grille, Flatter with RS hide-away headlights.I love the round wheel wells.(1967-68)The cowl hood and wheel well louvers(1969).Do something with the tail lights,Make them more rectangle like the 67-68)The Z06 with a six speed is good for starters. maybe a mid year SS Big block version. Ahh, the good old days all over again. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[MosportGreen66]

From the Wall Steet Journal News Breifing... Its an automatic email I get from the Journal...

"NEWS ALERT
from The Wall Street Journal



January 10, 2006

General Motors announced plans to slash prices on most of its models as part of an effort to more accurately reflect what consumers are willing to pay and move away from the heavy incentives that take a bite out of the auto maker's profits."

[Seattle Sam]

Actually when you see them in person, the new Challenger is pretty large. I believe it's on the same chassis as the Magnum, the 300C and the Charger. The Camaro is at least Camaro size...

Chevrolet has showed some ballz and at least attempted to design a 21st century car with some design cues from the 69 Camaro, while DCX just pulled out some old e-body photos and drew a copy-cat skin for a b-body size car. Admirable project for a guy in his garage, but not very impressive for a trained professional engineering staff.

No way would I buy the Challenger before the Camaro.

-Sam

[ZL1#17]

http://www.medox.org/z/concept.jpg
I'll be the first to place an order if I can get it with twin turbos. This car will be a winner if buyers are able to buy a true "Muscle Car".

[MosportGreen66]

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I'll be the first to place an order if I can get it with twin turbos. This car will be a winner if buyers are able to buy a true "Muscle Car".

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Add some stripes, headers and maybe some Cragars... I think we'll have a winner...

This is just the start of the next generation.

[PPPJJJFFF]

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If you thinks the design team from chrysler won't be able to build on this Challenger platform 4 years from now, your kidding yourself also.

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Yeah, just look what they did with the Prowler.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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The Prowler rocks baby http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif!

[Z-11 396]

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Chevy needs to do something with the grille, Flatter with RS hide-away headlights.I love the round wheel wells.(1967-68)The cowl hood and wheel well louvers(1969).Do something with the tail lights,Make them more rectangle like the 67-68)The Z06 with a six speed is good for starters. maybe a mid year SS Big block version. Ahh, the good old days all over again. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ] .....MY SON, AND I BOTH HAVE 69 CAMAROS, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME ''STRIPES'' ON THE CAR, AS WELL,.... MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THIS IS A <<< CAMARO >>>, NOT SOME OTHER LOOK ALIKE, THAT ALL THE OTHER CAR'S SEEM TO BE...KASEY

[COPO427]

The Camaro is not a 100% go yet and may not be. Currently GM has other priorities. Like getting out of debt.

[PPPJJJFFF]

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I wonder if the Challenger has tinny and crappy built into it like the old ones !! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

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I love when posters run out of creative thinking and resort to taking jabs at peoples cars. I personally don't have the characteristic in me. So I don't. No matter what or whos car were talking about.

I'm sorry you feel that Hemi-Challengers are such pieces of crap. I guess you must be talking about all E-bodies then. That's O.K. I guess. I just didn't think I would find this on the Yenko site. I'll keep that in mind the next time I sit in it.

I don't see what any of this has to do with the Challenger Concept or Camaro concept car!

I think after reading this, I'll take a pass on submitting a write-up and feature on the Challenger.

Thanks, Patrick http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[njsteve]

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http://www.medox.org/z/concept.jpg
I'll be the first to place an order if I can get it with twin turbos. This car will be a winner if buyers are able to buy a true "Muscle Car".

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Add some stripes, headers and maybe some Cragars... I think we'll have a winner...

This is just the start of the next generation.

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OK, someone with Photoshop talent put a hockey stripe on the side and some 427 emblems. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Canucklehead]

Besides by the time 2009 comes by Toyota (who has bought GM by then), may not even build the Camaro, and if so it would be called "Camao"

[stretch]

Once again the General can't come up with an original idea on its own. This is nothing more than a STRETCHED version of the Mustang.
At least the designers at DODGE have got their stuff in one sock revealing possibly the BEST new retro concept vehicle EVER!!!
Staying TRUE to the original design and giving the BUYERS what they REALLY want not some half baked concept that is merely a mustang in Camaro Badging...For Shame General...For Shame.
This NEW Camaro is Almost as bad as the Concept 70 Chevelle
which was merely a Grand Am with a graphted front and back, also no imagination!
Take a close look at this NEW Camaro and super impose the 2005 or 6 Mustang over it and you will see exactly what i mean.
NO IMAGINATION, AND NO CONCEPTION OF WHAT WE REALLY WANT IN A NEW CAMARO.

They better get back to work because they are gonna need to really bear down if they are gonna catch Ford and now DODGE in the Retro Muscle Car Race!!!

[COPO427]

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I wonder if the Challenger has tinny and crappy built into it like the old ones !! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

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Eww, better watch out, there maybe some Hemi and six-pack guys here.

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Like I said. Real nice guys here, right Patrick. They'll bust your ball$ whenever they get the chance. They'll rip a guys car apart that's on Ebay, but as soon as someone here buys a car that we commented on, they'll bust your balls for your .02 because you saw some things wrong with the car that make it a suspected clone, especially when you own one of those cars. Hmmmm, Sure is a different forum. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[camarojoe]

The above comment was obviously a joke, and wasn't directed at any ones personal car. If i say I don't like Fords, does that mean its a personal attack on anyone that ever owned a Mustang? No one bashed anyone's anything. Get over it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[PPPJJJFFF]

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The above comment was obviously a joke, and wasn't directed at any ones personal car. If i say I don't like Fords, does that mean its a personal attack on anyone that ever owned a Mustang? No one bashed anyone's anything. Get over it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif



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I don't need a translation on what I read. But thank you anyway! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Patrick

[Z-11 396]

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The above comment was obviously a joke, and wasn't directed at any ones personal car. If i say I don't like Fords, does that mean its a personal attack on anyone that ever owned a Mustang? No one bashed anyone's anything. Get over it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif ......SOME GUY TOLD ME TO PUT <<< PIMP >>> ON MY CAR, I GOT OVER IT...IT'S NOT EASY ..YOU NEVER KNOW IF THE REMARK IS A '' JOKE '' OR NOT, TILL YOU KNOW THE GUY SAYING IT......KASEY



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[Belair62]

Could be worse Patrick...could be a Buick... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


PS...Patrick I just re-read your post...seems like just a tiny bit of over reaction don't you think ? It was a friendly poke at our MoPar guys...who will be the first to tell you how tinny they are.. No sweat if you don't want your car featured...don't want to cause you any problems anyway.

[PPPJJJFFF]

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Could be worse Patrick...could be a Buick... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


PS...Patrick I just re-read your post...seems like just a tiny bit of over reaction don't you think ? It was a friendly poke at our MoPar guys...who will be the first to tell you how tinny they are.. No sweat if you don't want your car featured...don't want to cause you any problems anyway.

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No problem! Over the tinny part. I just don't believe anyone wants to hear the car they own "Crappy". And yes I'll pass on the feature. I'm sure there is a long list of cars we all will be interested in reading about. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

Lets move on! Patrick

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Thumbs down. It doesn't look like a Camaro, just has Camaro-like parts sporadically placed on it. Oh well, Ford nailed the Mustang, and Mopar slammed the Challenger - "two outta three ain't bad".

[Les Quam]

I own a 1970 HEMI Challenger a didn't really mind the tinny crappy comments. Objectively speaking they are to an extent pretty tin like and were built to a specific price point back in 1970 and not by skilled craftsman either. I always thought that the HEMI engine made up for the shake rattle and roll of the chassis? I also think that they are really no worse than most other 1970 muscle cars in terms of build quality so I didn't find the post offensive. IMHO all muscle cars from that era have their own problems or personality's.

[Xplantdad]

So Les...send me some pictures for Members Rides...Please! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Canucklehead]

Did anyone catch the new Camaro segment on Daily Planet on the Discovery Channel. They showed some behind the scenes of the development of the car and comments such as they wanted to keep some nostalgia of the old model but wanted to make a contemporary model for the new enthusiests coming into the market, sans GTO idea, which i figured thats what they were aiming at.

[PPPJJJFFF]

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I own a 1970 HEMI Challenger a didn't really mind the tinny crappy comments. Objectively speaking they are to an extent pretty tin like and were built to a specific price point back in 1970 and not by skilled craftsman either. I always thought that the HEMI engine made up for the shake rattle and roll of the chassis? I also think that they are really no worse than most other 1970 muscle cars in terms of build quality so I didn't find the post offensive. IMHO all muscle cars from that era have their own problems or personality's.

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My thin skin sometimes gets in the way of a good ribbing. I guess you guys are right. Got to go pick the kids up from school now! Talk to you guys tomorrow. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Belair62]

Sounds like a plan...I promise I won't call MoPars crappy anymore unless Charley or Colin owns them...Camaros were crappy too...the only cars that were really built well were Belairs. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[sYc]

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......Camaros were crappy too...http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

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Who's Camaro you calling crappy? Want to run your Belair against our crappy Camaro for pinks? SCR9, be there!!!http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/BelairSucks.gif

[Xplantdad]

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Sounds like a plan...I promise I won't call MoPars crappy anymore unless Charley or Colin owns them...Camaros were crappy too...the only cars that were really built well were Belairs. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

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I know of a certain Chevelle... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[COPO427]

I thought only seniors drive Belairs. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Sit low and drive slow.

[Chris396]

It looks better and better the more I look at it. Yeah the grill isn't perfect but it's a great start. I like it.