70 RS Z28 [Archive] - The Supercar Registry

Rick H

01-09-2006, 03:07 AM

There is nothing wrong with the tag on the car. VIN matches build date.

There are however some small items that are wrong. Alternator, water pump (could be a mistype), fan shroud, master cylinder, wrong shifter and knob, radio is wrong, should have slide on top for AM/FM selection, no rear bumper guards. Since there is no numbers for the carb and because the way the PCV hose is routed I would say it's not correct. Bunch of little incorrect items but the car looks good.
Missing smog would be expensive to correct. Wrong exhaust (but how many really have the correct exhaust).

You could pick on it for all the small stuff but the car is nice. It even has the correct and they look like the original fenders. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Rick H.

70 copo

01-09-2006, 03:17 AM

Vin # on the block should be stamped down by the oil filter in the rough..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Phil

70-SS/RS-L78

01-09-2006, 03:41 AM

I agree Phil, 1970 Norwood should be on side. 71's were on the front.

Rick H

01-09-2006, 03:45 AM

I have seen the VIN stamped in both places so that is really not an issue.

BUT look real close at the VIN stamp on the block. See anything missing??? Anyone? Anyone?

Rick H.

Late BrakeU2

01-09-2006, 04:46 AM

Don't get me wrong the car is sweet but there's no dum dum in the rivet holes,definitely been off at one point then this one leaves you a little less confident-

"IT WILL BE UP TO THE BUYER TO EVALUATE AND DECIDE IF THIS CAR IS AS AUTHENTIC AS WE THINK IT IS. STARTING FROM THE TRIM TAG, WE BELIEVE IT IS DEFINITELY THE ORIGINAL TAG BORN TO THIS CAR."

Does that allow for a rebody? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gifI love a good game of hide and seek,but no docs no dice for this kid at these prices-very kewl color/interior though.

DarrenX33

01-09-2006, 04:54 AM

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Don't get me wrong the car is sweet but there's no dum dum in the rivet holes,definitely been off at one point then this one leaves you a little less confident

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I have seen 2nd gens with out sealer in the holes. My 72 doesn't have any and I know the tag has never been off.

Jeff H

01-09-2006, 06:09 AM

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I have seen the VIN stamped in both places so that is really not an issue.

BUT look real close at the VIN stamp on the block. See anything missing??? Anyone? Anyone?

Rick H.

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I don't see anything in front of the N (shouldn't there be a "0") and you can see the partial VIN isn't straight in line so the numbers look to be stamped individually. The engine code stamp looks ok but the partial VIN looks like a restamp.

Stefano

01-09-2006, 06:22 AM

Mark,
Do you have an axe to grind here? The trim tag has no apparent issues based on the pics as well as my opinion! The adv, seems to be up front and honest and even welcomes inspection?

Why would you throw around the "rebody" issue even if the tag had been removed? I see no evidence of this from the listing.

As far as the location of the VIN stamp. Since both the trans and engine have a vin it wouldn't be much work to compare a rubbing or digital pics. I have seen them on both locations, with by the oil filter more prevalent.

redeuce

01-09-2006, 06:38 AM

You guys kill me

Rick H

01-09-2006, 06:41 AM

There is nothing wrong with the trim tag.

There is nothing wrong with the partial VIN location either.

There is however a few digits missing from the pad VIN stamp. No Chevy digit (1) and no year digit (0). The trans is stamped correctly so the block should be as well.

The car is still very nice and the word "rebody" shouldn't be in question at all.

Enough said.

Rick H.

MosportGreen66

01-09-2006, 07:00 AM

The Z-21 style trim included in the RS package should have body color door handle inserts... this one doesn't.
Fit and finish of the hood and stripes is fair... just to add to whats been said.
The Yellow looks like multi shades to me. Could be the glare too...

Late BrakeU2

01-09-2006, 08:01 AM

Nothing like that at all,I think it's a nice car and have alluded to that in both posts.The rebody thing was tounge in cheek(hence the grinning icon) since there has been a plethora of posts on here regarding rebodies,trim tag swaps,ebay banning of trim tag sales etc etc.I just find it amusing the first thing the seller addressed was the trim tag being original to the car-I've seen thousands of auctions and that's the first one ever I can remember where someone has VOLUNTEERED the legitmacy of a trim tag in the auction,followed by "no paper so don't ask" I guess the Oliver Stone in me came out but one could make the statement the guy does not know for sure that's why he put that "believe" disclaimer regarding it- and with all respect the tag looks like it has been off the car,never said it wasn't correct.Stefano,when you had your hugger car for sale on here I had nothing but praise for it while others were taking stabs at the drivetrain originality- Peace out

RamAirDave

01-09-2006, 09:23 AM

When did the cowl tag code switch to including the "Z"?

My 04A car just has 28.10, no Z.

dave

Hotrodpaul

01-09-2006, 03:29 PM

The car looks correct except for the missing rear bumperettes, air system, air cleaner snorkels, wrong fan shroud, and alternator/water pump pulleys. I can't tell if the car has the correct floor mounted accelerator pedal from the pics given. The car may have been hit in the rear. A rare combination of options though.

Paul

70-SS/RS-L78

01-09-2006, 07:00 PM

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When did the cowl tag code switch to including the "Z"?

My 04A car just has 28.10, no Z.

dave

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I have seen Documented Norwood Z’s with and without the Z stamped on the Trim Tag.

COPO

01-09-2006, 07:51 PM

My 04B just has 28.10. The 2nd gen. site has the time frame narrowed down pretty well. I seem to recall it was around 6 weeks where the "Z" did not show up on the trim tag.

COPO427

01-09-2006, 08:27 PM

I have no sealer on my 70 Z28 tag holes and I'm the 2nd owner and know it's orig.

Wrong pcv hose, wrong oil breather hose, incorrect cig lighter, should not have a front spoiler, missing chrome tailpipes, wrong plug wire boots, wrong rad cap, looks like it's missing the corner rubber bumpers in each corner of the rear bumper. All Norwood cars should have the Z28 on the tag unless it's been swapped with a LA tag or remade incorrectly. The holes in the tag are too darn clean for a driver. Missing emblem on trunk lid too. Bad dash fit to the A pillar, I see wires on the drivers side. Can't afford the vette flags on the valve cover? Missing TCS wires on the pass head along with the temp sensor for the TCS. Missing upper rubber door stopper on both doors. Missing blue GM VIN Certification sticker on the drivers door. I see yellow paint on the pass side lower dash beside the upper air vent.

69HURST

01-09-2006, 10:51 PM

CAR IS SOLD !!! THANKS FOR THE POST, THE CAR IS GOING TO A YENKO.NET MEMBER. THE BUYER RELIED ON THIS BOARD TO MAKE HIS DECISION. I THANK "RICK H" AND "STEFANO" FOR THEIR KNOWLEDGE. AND ALSO WOULD LIKE "LATE BRAKEUS" AND COPO427 TO FIND ANOTHER CAR TO BASH.... SM

redeuce

01-09-2006, 11:42 PM

Congratulations Scott

Rick H

01-10-2006, 12:45 AM

The car has great potential. Good job on the sale. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Rick H.

COPO427

01-11-2006, 05:06 PM

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CAR IS SOLD !!! THANKS FOR THE POST, THE CAR IS GOING TO A YENKO.NET MEMBER. THE BUYER RELIED ON THIS BOARD TO MAKE HIS DECISION. I THANK "RICK H" AND "STEFANO" FOR THEIR KNOWLEDGE. AND ALSO WOULD LIKE "LATE BRAKEUS" AND COPO427 TO FIND ANOTHER CAR TO BASH.... SM

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You guys are hypocrites. Ya want to know if the car is real. I tell you what I see is incorrect that could lead to a fake then you cry like women. Hope the car works out to be the real McCoy. Your welcome. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

supercomp 8.90

01-12-2006, 02:30 AM

its back on e-bay!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

69HURST

01-12-2006, 03:30 AM

THATS RIGHT, ITS BACK ON, THE GENTLEMAN CAME OUT HERE LAST NIGHT WITH HIS TRAILER AND ENDED UP BUYING A CHEVELLE THAT I REALLY DIDNT WANT TO SELL. I HOPE YOUR HAPPY TOM.. SM

70Z

01-12-2006, 03:31 AM

Buyer must have bailed http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

Only took a quick peak, but this '71 doesn't look bad.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971-Cama...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971-Camaro-Z28-4-speed-LT1-the-Real-Deal-70-69_W0QQitemZ4603924733QQcategoryZ6161QQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem)

I guess we posted at the same time...Ok, good buyer..Just not sure what he wants..LOL!

sean70ss

01-12-2006, 04:59 AM

Looks like a pretty darn nice car! Sean http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

redbaron

01-12-2006, 11:31 AM

Should it have the year number before the N Rick?

Rick H

01-12-2006, 05:23 PM

Already mentioned in post above.
The car is still very nice and you don't see many in that color combo.

mmmmm, maybe I should just get a completed car and forget about the project Z I have in my driveway. Naa, that's no fun.

Rick H.

Charley Lillard

01-12-2006, 05:29 PM

So if the vin stamp has been added to the deck..Is there a chance there is still a vin stamp down by the oil filter ? I haven't looked at enough 70's to remember.

COPO427

01-12-2006, 06:54 PM

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So if the vin stamp has been added to the deck..Is there a chance there is still a vin stamp down by the oil filter ? I haven't looked at enough 70's to remember.

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yup, your correct, the same goes for in the heater core box.

COPO427

01-12-2006, 06:57 PM

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Should it have the year number before the N Rick?

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yes

CamarosRus

01-12-2006, 07:50 PM

1)Has it been determined on THIS Yellow Norwood Z-28 that it has a 10N5xxxxx VIN number stamped on the Bellhousing Flange to match the alledged 10N5xxxxx on the transmission.
2) Has it been concluded that more than a few other Norwood 70 Z's had VIN # stamped on eng deck. I will ask most of the other 70 Z judges and "experts" at nastyZ28.
3)WHY would a born with eng with VIN stamp, NOT match the VIN stamp configuration of the Born with Transmission......IF in fact they are done with same stamping tool??????

COPO427

01-12-2006, 10:42 PM

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1)Has it been determined on THIS Yellow Norwood Z-28 that it has a 10N5xxxxx VIN number stamped on the Bellhousing Flange to match the alledged 10N5xxxxx on the transmission.
2) Has it been concluded that more than a few other Norwood 70 Z's had VIN # stamped on eng deck. I will ask most of the other 70 Z judges and "experts" at nastyZ28.
3)WHY would a born with eng with VIN stamp, NOT match the VIN stamp configuration of the Born with Transmission......IF in fact they are done with same stamping tool??????

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70 Camaro VIN will start with 124870N.....
Muncie Example
70N553721 P0E08B
70 = 1970
N = Norwood
553721 = the last 6 digits of your VIN
P = Muncie
0 = 1970
E = May
08 = day
B = M21 (A=M20, B=M21, C=M22)

Axle will be C00 or CRE for a 4.10 (last yr for 12 bolt)

Engine pad will have:
Example: V0101CTB - (V = Plant, 01 = Month, 01 = Day, CTB = Engine Suffix Code),1970 CTB 350 Z28.
Also a partial VIN will be on the pad, IE 70N123456

Both tranny and engine will have the same 6 digit VIN as seen on the dash.

PeteLeathersac

01-12-2006, 11:00 PM

I think CamarosRus' question means, the stamped locations should have the same alpha numerics and number of digits since they were stamped at the same time using the same gang stamp....all EXACTLY the same. . So a genuine factory stamping mistake would be on all locations? . ~ Pete

COPO427

01-12-2006, 11:03 PM

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I think CamarosRus' question means, the stamped locations should have the same alpha numerics and number of digits since they were stamped at the same time using the same gang stamp....all EXACTLY the same. . So a genuine factory stamping mistake would be on all locations? . ~ Pete

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The partial VIN will be a smaller stamp text size.
70N123456

PeteLeathersac

01-12-2006, 11:08 PM

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I think CamarosRus' question means, the stamped locations should have the same alpha numerics and number of digits since they were stamped at the same time using the same gang stamp....all EXACTLY the same. . So a genuine factory stamping mistake would be on all locations? . ~ Pete

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The partial VIN will be a smaller stamp text size.
70N123456

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I think you're referring to how the partial Vin stamp is smaller than the suffix/date stamp? . All partial Vin gang-stampings should be the same as each other since the same tool was used on each location. ~ Pete

COPO427

01-12-2006, 11:13 PM

You'd think so

http://www.nastyz28.com/2gcog/blkvin.jpg

Prob done at different locations.

COPO427

01-12-2006, 11:22 PM

Sample of a vette 1965 327/300
http://ww2.netnitco.net/users/rclark/images/Corvette/padstamp.jpg

1965 vette
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-11/513132/IM001941.jpg

It's unusual to find either an engine plant stamp or an assembly plant VIN stamp where the characters all have absolutely equal depth and definition; there were many variables involved in the length and wear of the individual dies, angle at which the holder was held, direction of the hammer blow, etc. Many restamps, however, are "perfect".

PeteLeathersac

01-12-2006, 11:30 PM

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You'd think so

http://www.nastyz28.com/2gcog/blkvin.jpg

Prob done at different locations.

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Good example w/ this '73 unit shown....I can't figure out how to include pics? . Anyway, all 9 digits are on this example engine pad shown so would be exactly the same on the rest of the stamped partial Vin locations. . If one of the digits was upside-down or missing it would be the same on all other stamped partial Vin locations. . With the subject thread car missing the first two digits, if genuine the other locations should have the same mistake. ~ Pete

COPO427

01-12-2006, 11:33 PM

Same with this 68 Camaro. 2 sizes of stamps. So there are 2 stamping dies that are used.

http://www.chevy-camaro.com/images/EngineCodepartialVIN.jpg

Partial VIN is "18U199887"
The partial VIN can also be on the oil filter flange instead of on the pad with the engine code.

The 70 should be stamped on the pad and by the oil filter flange. Where the 68 may only be in one of the 2.

PeteLeathersac

01-12-2006, 11:50 PM

Yes we know the engine/suffix stamp is larger....it's the partial Vin only that I'm referring to. . Aside from user quirks, all locations should be the same exact stamping, mistakes and all. . The subject car needs other partial Vin locations viewed to compare to the engine pad w/ missing digits. . Thanks! ~ Pete

COPO427

01-12-2006, 11:54 PM

sorry, got it.

Include pics?

get the http site and paste it after site name here

Rick H

01-13-2006, 01:05 AM

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Also a partial VIN will be on the pad, IE 70N123456

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That is totally incorrect for a 1970 stamp. 70 does not indicate 1970.

The correct stamp would be: 10N567890
1=Chevrolet
0=1970
N=Norwood
567890=Sequence number.

Rick H.

Rick H

01-13-2006, 04:33 AM

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Same with this 68 Camaro. 2 sizes of stamps. So there are 2 stamping dies that are used.

http://www.chevy-camaro.com/images/EngineCodepartialVIN.jpg

Partial VIN is "18U199887"
The partial VIN can also be on the oil filter flange instead of on the pad with the engine code.

The 70 should be stamped on the pad and by the oil filter flange. Where the 68 may only be in one of the 2.

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Your example is very wrong.
The engine you posted did not come out of a 1968 Camaro. No Camaros were built in Lordstown, Ohio. That motor actually came out of 1969 passenger car. "HK" was used in 1969 to designate 350/300 with powerglide. The number before the "U" is a "9". "U" is for Lordstown, Ohio. Passenger cars were built at Lordstown.

Also 1968 Camaro VIN's started with 300001 and 1969 Camaro started with 500001. So that motor never came out of Camaro.

Also I have yet to see a 1968 motor with the partial VIN stamped in the rough casting by the oil filter.

Rick H.

COPO427

01-13-2006, 07:38 AM

oops
Also a partial VIN will be on the pad, IE 70N123456
I meant 1 where the 7 is. Blond moment.

The picture and info about the 68 was from a tag site. My only intention was to show the 2 different font sizes.

Grusum

01-20-2006, 04:11 AM

I just bought this car officially on tues. You can imagine how shocked I was when a friend of mine sent me this link. When I saw it was my new car being questioned I nearly puked!!! Until I saw the forum I was completely happy with my new baby. I have been looking for about 1 1/2 years for the right car and it always seemed to elude me. Some just plain went for too much or the one I really wanted at Legendary Motorcar in June I missed by 24 hrs. because I waited to phone them instead of E-mailing them immediately.To make a long story short, I thought I missed this one as well when it first went off e-bay. When my wife found it relisted I took it as fate. I jumped on this one. To my novice knowledge I was satisfied everything was proper. I once vowed to not buy w/o docs but somehow I felt secure with this one. Documentation always seemed to put the price up just out of my reach. BUYER BEWARE!!! No one but myself to blame for my now bleeding ulcer and baggy eyes. I want to make it clear I don not blame the seller in any way. I think some of you know who he is and I want to make it clear, every option was put before me to verify things and I opted for blind faith. Is there anyone who can share some insight to how big a mistake I've made or not made. Regardless, I intend to enjoy this car to the fullest. It's only money right! I can drive this puppy without fear of depreiciation. I intend on using AAAuto Transport to get it here. Cheapest, and most helpfull out of 40 phone calls. Any Red FLAGS on this decision? Hope to get more sleep tonight. Thanks, Gord

scott s

01-20-2006, 04:31 AM

I think as long as u are happy with the purchase that,s all that matters http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif u and your family will have a blast in that car http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif.Anyone can pick apart even the highest quality car if they have the knowledge about the make or model heck its 36 yrs old,Think of it this way u could have paid twice as much for that same car at B.J http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif.

Jeff H

01-20-2006, 04:41 AM

It's not a 100% correct car but it's a nice looking car with a nice combination of options. It appears to be a real Z28 from the trim tag as well. The partial VIN stamp on the engine does not look original so you'll have to check down by the oil filter area to determine if there is a stamping down there to know if it's the original motor. It sure looks like a fun car that will stand out in a crowd.

Grusum

01-20-2006, 04:56 AM

Thanks for the positive replies. I intend on checking the bell housing flange the minute I get it here. I'm just hoping I didn't pay too much. Fromthe lokks of things at B-J I may have paid premium for a car that isn't what I thought it was. But it'll be a priceless learning experience to do more research in the future. I'm actually looking forward to the research I need to do to bring this one to "more correct" condition. Notably that hacked up air cleaner. Any one got the right one? I might as well spend more money while I'm on full tilt. HaHa.