Trim Tag for Sale

[47Hammer]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-69-C...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-69-Camaro-X77-DZ-302-Z28-Z-28-Trim-Tag_W0QQitemZ8029628456QQcategoryZ50452QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem)

Why would you need that? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[camarojoe]

Its a fake tag to boot.

[Mark_C]

It's in mint condition because its never been on a car. It was probably a coke can last year, its a fake tag. As to why someone would need it, thats easy, it will add 20K to your 307 coupe when you sell it as an original numbers matching Z28 on Ebay.

http://i5.ebayimg.com/02/i/05/f3/f6/e3_1.JPG

[47Hammer]

Your right, one day it will end up on a nice car and someone will pay big $$$$ for it. Doesn't seem right. Well it's a good thing I've got the POP to prove mine is what it is.

[MYSTERYCHEVELLE]

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Your right, one day it will end up on a nice car and someone will pay big $$$$ for it. Doesn't seem right. Well it's a good thing I've got the POP to prove mine is what it is.

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I wouldn't count on it... POP's are being sold and aged every day now.. so having one isn't necessarily proof of anything.. but I know what ya mean.. I have lots of docs too. and happy for it!

[Lynn]

Here is the funny part:

"Most of the "real" Z28's for sale on ebay and elsewhere are anything but real, so making your own project X 11 car an X77 is just doing yourself a favor. Email me with any questions. I reserve the right to sell this early so if you really want it let me know. Bidders ID is not shown to protect them from the lowlife pondscum scammers."

He is the lowlife pondscum scammer.

Lynn

[PeteLeathersac]

Bastards....wonder how they chose their body number? . With the values now and all the shenanigans going on, has the time come for some kind of new registry....the bogus registry?? . It would surely become a contraversial one but it would be nice to help keep track of known bogus and maybe even questionable Vins, trim tags, restamps, build sheets etc??? . As much as this phoney tag guy is keeping the buyers secret, this tag could be filed by body number and the info accessible to the true enthusist??? ~ Pete

[COPO427]

Anything stamped with General Motors Corp Certifies.... is suppose to be illegal if restamped. Just like the restoration places that remake parts under the GM name need permission to do so. So what's up on these body tags? Hmm, I'd lock these people up if I was GM for a start so they can meet Bubba and the boys.

[PeteLeathersac]

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Anything stamped with General Motors Corp Certifies.... is suppose to be illegal if restamped. Just like the restoration places that remake parts under the GM name need permission to do so. So what's up on these body tags? Hmm, I'd lock these people up if I was GM for a start so they can meet Bubba and the boys.

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Great point Mark! . If they did do something, maybe it would become the way things went after the trademark crackdown on aftermarket suppliers....same stuff just available through your dealer or others but w/ GM getting a cut?? ~ Pete

[SMGCO]

Big Hammer,
These are things ( knock off cowl tags and protecto plates, etc ) have unfortunately been around for a long time. Hemmings has had a guy advertising in there for years. Originally I think there were legitimate people making them when most cars being restored were not really valuable and the restorer wanted to do some detail work. Now it's become a counterfiting tool.

regards, SG

[musclecarjohn]

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Here is the funny part:

"Most of the "real" Z28's for sale on ebay and elsewhere are anything but real, so making your own project X 11 car an X77 is just doing yourself a favor. Email me with any questions. I reserve the right to sell this early so if you really want it let me know. Bidders ID is not shown to protect them from the lowlife pondscum scammers."

He is the lowlife pondscum scammer.

Lynn

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X-100!
The pot calling the kettle black... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif

[Pacecarjeff]

Some where out there someone may have the real tag on their car.
By keeping a registry of fake body numbers, how would you protect the innocent owner of the "borrowed" body number?

It is almost like identity theft.
Wouldn't be right to publish a list of bogus body tags by number.
You really should have the VIN of the phoney car also.
That info really should be compiled by the CRG, and kept private.
They can verify if you ask. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Lynn]

Pretty sure Jonesy is keeping a file on all the fake tags spotted, as well as a list of all the real tags that are separated from the original cars. At least the ones that show up for sale on ebay, or are brought to his attention from elsewhere on the net.

I know that Mark C. at CRG points out several a week, but not sure if he is keeping a database.

Lynn

[Mark_C]

I've got a couple of thousand images, mostly 67 and 69's real and fake, attached to cars and loose.

[Lynn]

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I've got a couple of thousand images, mostly 67 and 69's real and fake, attached to cars and loose.

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Mark>:

Just curious, have you ever run across "twins" ie a real and a fake with the same BDY number?

Lynn

[Mark_C]

Yep, couple of times, including one recently that was almost indistiguishable (sp?) from a real tag. Went from an X11 to an X33. Theres a new tag maker in the game.

If theres a tag image (or engine stamp, or transmission stamp, etc) out there and I find it, I keep a copy of it.

[Lynn]

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Yep, couple of times, including one recently that was almost indistiguishable (sp?) from a real tag. Went from an X11 to an X33. Theres a new tag maker in the game.



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Boy, am I sorry to hear that. "Almost", but I surmise you can still find some clues? Please say yes. The day they get these perfect..... well, it will be a sad day indeed.

Lynn

[DarrenX33]

How do you like this one?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/dagcostello/144-4446_IMG.jpg

[Mark_C]

Trimtags.com special. Easy to pickout.

[ss427copo]

On Ebay last week, a trim tag, along with the area around it was cut off the fire wall of a Z's busted up, rotted body. It sold for $1750. bucks!!!!! A PIECE OF TIN!!!!!
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[Hotrodpaul]

As long as people are paying $275+ for these fake tags there will be suppliers willing to reproduce them. Funny, you never see repo tags with no X codes or the less desirable X11 base code. It always seems to be an Z28 or ss 396 trim tag that is reproduced.

Paul

[Rainer]

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On Ebay last week, a trim tag, along with the area around it was cut off the fire wall of a Z's busted up, rotted body. It sold for $1750. bucks!!!!! A PIECE OF TIN!!!!!
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Jeff http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gifx2

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The ebay tag with the piece of cowl actually looked like a repro tag. Have a Z28 tag made for $275, pop it on a section of cowl that you cut out, make almost $1500 profit.

Kinda funny that the buyer/cloner literally paid almost $1500 for a junk piece of tin plus another $275 for the tag, when he could have just bought a fake tag and saved a ton. Too bad that in the end someone will get screwed with another fake car.

[Pacecarjeff]

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Kinda funny that the buyer/cloner literally paid almost $1500 for a junk piece of tin plus another $275 for the tag, when he could have just bought a fake tag and saved a ton. Too bad that in the end someone will get screwed with another fake car.

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That is the whole fraud thing.
If the buyer knew it was a repro, he wouldn't buy it, he would just get one made.
He thinks it is real.

The guy selling that cowl section is a crook.
It really should be a crime for him to claim it is authentic. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

I bet with a little cooperation from a Govt agency, there is going to be a paper trail for the maker & requester of the phoney tag.
If the maker of the tag is the same person as the seller now.
Then that sounds like a crime to me.
Like selling a copy of a painting -it is deception.

Also those tags are proprietary.
I wonder if the reproducers have GM permission to make them?
That sounds like a crime also.

[Mark_C]

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Yep, couple of times, including one recently that was almost indistiguishable (sp?) from a real tag. Went from an X11 to an X33. Theres a new tag maker in the game.



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Boy, am I sorry to hear that. "Almost", but I surmise you can still find some clues? Please say yes. The day they get these perfect..... well, it will be a sad day indeed.

Lynn

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There is something just a little off on the tags, but I haven't quite figured out what it is, and you certainly wouldn't see it if you were just looking at the tag. I didn't know until I went to save it and found the original one already there.

BTW the VIN is 124379N596610 Body number is NOR258994 should anyone run across it.

[Belair62]

There must not be any infringement issues or GM would not look the other way IMO..