1970 Yenko Deuce

[Roof]

Sorry to cause so much trouble. Am new to this site and not yet aware of all the rules. Have a 1970 Yenko Deuce that we are considering selling. We are the original owners. Bought the car from the Yenko Dealership in Canonsburg. Needs restored. Is in pretty good condition but does not have original paint, intake, carb, or shifter.
Have had two really good offers but don't want to make any quick decisions that we may later regret. One offer for $100,000 and another for $110,000. Any input appreciated.

[ANDY M]

Before everybody here demands it, post some pictures!

[JChlupsa]

Heres the pics that Marlin posted in the 1st thread about this car
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/187702-Roof2.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/187704-Roof3.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/187705-Roof4.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/187706-Interior.JPG
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/187707-Underneathfromrear.JPG

[Schonyenko2]

Hi Linda. There's a few original owners here. Myself included. Mine is sunflower yellow. While I'm sure that I'm butting in on a possible sale here, which as an original owner I find a little sad, could you take some time and tell us a few stories about the car from "back in the day" when it ran the streets? While someone else may soon own the car, it will never be to them, what it was, or is to you. Schonye

[Roof]

Have been receiving a lot of emails wanting some history on the car. Traded a 1969 Chevelle, 4 speed, Lemans blue with white convertible top on this car. I personally thought Earl was crazy for trading because side by side in my opinion the Chevelle beat this Deuce hands down in looks. (Who's crazy now?) They didn't even let customers take these cars for a test drive. The salesman did the driving.
When we got back to the lot Earl was allowed to move the car across the lot and park it. I've always been of the opinion that you buy a car to drive it, Earl's has always been that you buy a car and see how few miles you can put on it. I may have stated previously that this car has only 15,000 miles on it, I was wrong, it has 18,000. We are the only two people who have driven the car since we bought it.
We almost traded it one time at a dealership in Indiana,PA until they actually saw the car and then they didn't want any part of it. I don't remember why we actually stopped driving it but when we parked it there wasn't anything wrong with it at all mechanically. We got busy building a house (we did all the building ourselves) then started raising a family (we have two sons and raised a third boy)
The car was in the heated basement garage for years until we put up our new garage. We moved it into the new garage with our backhoe!!! We've always had plans to have it restored ourselves but are starting to doubt that we would ever get around to it. Hopeing to get it out of the garage this weekend, get it cleaned up some, and get some new pics.
Will depend on the weather. Linda

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

We want stories about street racing this car http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

Wow....only here!!! . Earl and Linda....money thing aside, you've found the right place for adoption of your baby! . Looking forward to any stories also any old pictures (hint-hint) that you can share. ~ Pete

[NOCOPO]

No matter who is the lucky one to aquire it, it will be great to see another one out of the darkness. I am sure whomever that is, they will share in the restoration. Please keep the "stories" coming, some of us have to live vicarously through the web site. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif

[mockingbird812]

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Have been receiving a lot of emails wanting some history on the car. Traded a 1969 Chevelle, 4 speed, Lemans blue with white convertible top on this car. I personally thought Earl was crazy for trading because side by side in my opinion the Chevelle beat this Deuce hands down in looks. (Who's crazy now?) They didn't even let customers take these cars for a test drive. The salesman did the driving.
When we got back to the lot Earl was allowed to move the car across the lot and park it. I've always been of the opinion that you buy a car to drive it, Earl's has always been that you buy a car and see how few miles you can put on it. I may have stated previously that this car has only 15,000 miles on it, I was wrong, it has 18,000. We are the only two people who have driven the car since we bought it.
We almost traded it one time at a dealership in Indiana,PA until they actually saw the car and then they didn't want any part of it. I don't remember why we actually stopped driving it but when we parked it there wasn't anything wrong with it at all mechanically. We got busy building a house (we did all the building ourselves) then started raising a family (we have two sons and raised a third boy)
The car was in the heated basement garage for years until we put up our new garage. We moved it into the new garage with our backhoe!!! We've always had plans to have it restored ourselves but are starting to doubt that we would ever get around to it. Hopeing to get it out of the garage this weekend, get it cleaned up some, and get some new pics.
Will depend on the weather. Linda

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Welcome Linda. Terrific story and neat car. I have lived and worked in both the Canonsburg and Indiana areas (my Mom grew up there and my grandfather had a series of Auto Parts stores from Blairsville up to Dubois including the main one on Gompers ave in Indiana). Was it Delaney Chevrolet in Indiana that considered your car? My step dad owned Indiana Sales & Service - Mer. Benz, Jeep, and Datsun on Philadelphia St. Sure good to hear about your car and hope that all works out well for you. Good luck getting her out and cleaned up this weekend.

Best Regards,
Sam

[DarrenX33]

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We've always had plans to have it restored ourselves but are starting to doubt that we would ever get around to it.

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If the money from the sale isn't critical at this point, I would put some $ into getting it roadworthy and continue to enjoy it. Doesn't have to be a frame off. Being the original owners I imagine this sale might be hard for you. However this turns out good luck to both of you. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Salvatore]

Can't sell a member of the family! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif Day-2 the car with the white frame. Its nostalgic. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Go back to sleep Sammy, better yet, go work on my '69 for me http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Salvatore]

That I can do. Where are the keys to the shop? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

Sure sounds like one heckuva' car wash planned for this weekend! . Can't wait to see some pics! ~ Pete

[MikeA]

I think if someone offered me $110k I would grab the money and run!!http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[scott s]

These cars always cause a stir when they come up for possible sale http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif.It would take a nice chunk of $$ for me to part with mine also so don,t be shy. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[KENNY_PASCOE]

JUDGING BY THE PICS OF THE CAR AND CURRENT MARKET VALUE, I THINK $110K IS ALL THE MONEY FOR THAT CAR IN THAT CONDITION. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT WOULD BE THE RECORD SALE PRICE OF A YENKO DEUCE IN NEED OF RESTORATION. IF THE CAR WAS A TRUE UNTOUCHED SURVIVOR, THE EQUATION WOULD CHANGE. JUST MY .02 CENTS.... KP

[Belair62]

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I THINK $110K IS ALL THE MONEY FOR THAT CAR IN THAT CONDITION.

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I think this is an understatement...desireable car but I think this is very expensive for a Deuce needing restoration.Originality is a real plus though...Good Luck.They sure aren't making any more of them.

[KENNY_PASCOE]

YOUR RIGHT BOB... THERE NOT MAKING THEM ANYMORE. GOOD MONEY ON THE TABLE TO THE ORIGINAL OWNERS. I DONT KNOW WHAT THERE WAITING FOR... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[MikeA]

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DONT KNOW WHAT THERE WAITING FOR...

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Me too....I can not imagine that there are many more potential buyers willing and able to spend over $100k for project car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Charley Lillard]

It is real simple. They are not sure what the car is worth so they are asking. If no higher offers come in they have probably found it's market value. It's not like they have to sell it tomorrow. Making the offers public might not have been the best idea though. Some people might want to own it but might not want the world to know how much they offered. Now if it sells most will probably assume whoever gets it paid over 110K. If the two people that made the 100 and 110K offers drop out because of the publicity it might be tough to get to that # again. I can't blame them for testing the waters though.

[MikeA]

I completely understand testing the waters and I wish the owners good luck on selling the Deuce.

[scott s]

How much work could it need with 18k orig miles http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif should be pretty much all cosmetic stuff as the interior and body look solid not all hacked up.wonder if the owners have all paperwork??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[MikeA]

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wonder if the owners have all paperwork???

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Yes, they do have paperwork.

[Jeff H]

Wow, that's a strong offer. I'm glad I didn't bother giving my guestimate. Even with the low mileage it looks like it would need a complete teardown to do a proper restoration and reassembly. That could cost an easy $30-50K. They might not have the resources to get the restoration done and that's probably why it's for sale. It's a shame to see an original owner car like that get sold though. But somebody will bring it back to its former glory and we want to see it when it's done! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[1970ChevelleSS]

So if someone is offering 110 for this car what does that make a restored one worth 160?

[scott s]

Kenny could whip that into shape in a weekend http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[BUIZILLA]

Hopefully, they have ALL the original engine parts as well. Chastise me if you wish guys, but i'm having a <font color="black">REAL </font> tough time believing those are legitimate offers... or did Deuce prices quadruple in the last 6 months?

Jim

[COPO]

Last one needing resto that I now about was $45K a year ago. I would take the money quick. I hope it was not Nigerians that made the offer. Seriously, great car and neat history. Good luck. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Roof]

You're right, we are testing the waters. And if the offers back out because of the publicity, what have we lost? We would still have the Deuce. It's not like you can just go to a blue book and look up a price. What might be worth $50,000 to one person might be worth $150,000 to someone else. I checked with Earl and he says it still has the original drive train, also no rust in floor boards or trunk.
Linda

[bilede]

I thought the last one was $75k. I didn't see the money but thats what I heard.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[1970ChevelleSS]

75k for a done one or needing resto?

[Roof]

Just a little addendum. Pics really do not do the car justice. Had not had a chance to clean it up when pics were taken. Body and interior in good shape. Split on the dash pad. A small surface rust spot about 2 inches long beneath the rear window and two surface blisters about the size of a quarter on each of the front fenders. Car has never been wrecked. Oil was changed religiously every 2000 miles and only used Wolfshead oil. Have the warranty book.
There was no window sticker on the car. Have the original exhaust from the headers back but no muffler or tailpipes. Have the original rims and air cleaner. Hope we're not boring you folks. Linda

[Enoch]

I would like to add a diffrent perspective to the comments on the offers...
I have customers who only will buy unrestored cars and they will pay a premium, as an example one customer paid $75,000.00 for a 65 Corvette 396 conv. in 1989. The car had the window sticker dealer order copy car shipper copy and POP. That was $25,000.00 more than what the restored cars were going for at the time. It was a 1 owner car and had an unbeliveable amount of options for a 396. The car had 42,000.00 miles and needed a complete resto. He has turned down well over $200,000.00 for the car.

Another customer paid $70,000.00 for a 65 Corvette Fuel injected conv. This was back in 1990 again a fist full of paper work, original owner, great colors and options needing a full restoration. You don't get the chance to buy cars of this caliber from the original owner's every day.

My point is some people have the forsight to step up and pay above market value for a car they want. Not caring if the are upsidedown in the car as the market eventually catches up. Also they want to restore a car that has not been gone trough before.

Good luck with the sale http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[budnate]

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It is real simple. They are not sure what the car is worth so they are asking. If no higher offers come in they have probably found it's market value. It's not like they have to sell it tomorrow. Making the offers public might not have been the best idea though. Some people might want to own it but might not want the world to know how much they offered. Now if it sells most will probably assume whoever gets it paid over 110K. If the two people that made the 100 and 110K offers drop out because of the publicity it might be tough to get to that # again. I can't blame them for testing the waters though.

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Charley nailed it, it sounds like it takes 110 or better to own the car today...I bet once the dust is blown off the Ol' girl she will look good, put any car in a barn for a year or two and they look pretty rough, dirt hangs on everything.

If i had the means I would be buying the car..from the original owners how cool is that!!!

[Late BrakeU2]

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I would like to add a diffrent perspective to the comments on the offers...
I have customers who only will buy unrestored cars and they will pay a premium, as an example one customer paid $75,000.00 for a 65 Corvette 396 conv. in 1989. The car had the window sticker dealer order copy car shipper copy and POP. That was $25,000.00 more than what the restored cars were going for at the time. It was a 1 owner car and had an unbeliveable amount of options for a 396. The car had 42,000.00 miles and needed a complete resto. He has turned down well over $200,000.00 for the car.

Another customer paid $70,000.00 for a 65 Corvette Fuel injected conv. This was back in 1990 again a fist full of paper work, original owner, great colors and options needing a full restoration. You don't get the chance to buy cars of this caliber from the original owner's every day.

My point is some people have the forsight to step up and pay above market value for a car they want. Not caring if the are upsidedown in the car as the market eventually catches up. Also they want to restore a car that has not been gone trough before.

Good luck with the sale http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

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Speaking of original owner cars,saw this one in case you have a client in search of one((I just saw the ad,not affiliated with this car)
http://www.camaros.net/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=6063&amp;sort=1&amp;cat=42&amp;page=1

Sorry for the highjack..

[Lynn]

Noticed Charley asked some questions, but forgot to ask "can I have it?" Guess he is slipping.

Lynn

[bilede]

"75k for a done one or needing resto?"

one with all its history showing but nice history.. this car under all that dust could be as nice.

[Mr Yenko]

Sounds to me that someone made a incredible offer on a car that needs a complete restoration. I think you should have taken the offer, but now it might be too late. Like the board says, not too many people like their buisness made public. Its a shame that these cars bring out so much GREED. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif
The "MOF"

[Xplantdad]

All I can say is good luck with the sale...and thanks for sharing some history on your cool Yenko Deuce! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Roof]

Appreciate all the input, good and bad. To Mockingbird, nice to hear from someone who was local at one time. Do you ever remember seeing the Deuce lightin up the tires around Indiana back in the good ole days? We were backed in next to the Dairy Queen one night and all the local muscle cars were driving by and gawking. Earl started the Deuce and cracked the pipes and the owner came out screaming at us that she was calling the cops. Kept ranting something about us being "public enemy number one." A guy from Penn Run had a Yenko Chevelle at the time but don't know what ever happened to it. There was also a guy that lived up the road from us that went down to the dealership and bought a yellow Deuce after he saw ours.
We heard rumor that his mom and dad sold the car when he went to the service. We originally bought the car to run at New Bee (closed down now) but we couldn't get the car factored and Earl didn't want to run it e.t.s We never did get to actually run it at the strip. Did a little ---- raising around Indiana, Kittanning, and a few other places though. Linda

[Rick H]

Before you jump, yes I am looking for one of these cars (Scott S knows) but I have some questions.

First I think $100k is out of reach for a car like this that needs restoration (they stated it needed restoring).

But what I don't understand is why not original paint? Original owner, 18,000 original miles but has been repainted? Why?

Is it the original color? Maybe I'm blind but I didn't read that anywhere.

I agree with others that I would have taken either of the offers.

Rick H.

[Charley Lillard]

"Its a shame that these cars bring out so much GREED."
Where is the greed ? These people bought their car new. From the looks of how long the car has been stored they have been away from the car scene for awhile. They decide to sell the car and right off the bat get offers of 100K and 110K. They then are not sure of the value and decide to come here and ask. Who better to reap the rewards than the orig. owners ? Who are you to decide when it is greed ?

[Mr Yenko]

Lets say they had a offer of 100k and said they wanted 120k. The counter offer was 110k. And now thought they might want 130k. Where does it END. I have had this game played to me.Just my .02 cents.
THE "MOF" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Enoch]

Rick, as for original paint I have friends who orderd these cars new and had the dealer repaint them even before they took delivery. It's all a matter of what the owner wanted at the time. NOBODY back then was thinking that thier decisions were going to be questioned like it's part of the Spanish Inquisition.

[mockingbird812]

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Appreciate all the input, good and bad. To Mockingbird, nice to hear from someone who was local at one time. Do you ever remember seeing the Deuce lightin up the tires around Indiana back in the good ole days? We were backed in next to the Dairy Queen one night and all the local muscle cars were driving by and gawking. Earl started the Deuce and cracked the pipes and the owner came out screaming at us that she was calling the cops. Kept ranting something about us being "public enemy number one." A guy from Penn Run had a Yenko Chevelle at the time but don't know what ever happened to it. There was also a guy that lived up the road from us that went down to the dealership and bought a yellow Deuce after he saw ours.
We heard rumor that his mom and dad sold the car when he went to the service. We originally bought the car to run at New Bee (closed down now) but we couldn't get the car factored and Earl didn't want to run it e.t.s We never did get to actually run it at the strip. Did a little ---- raising around Indiana, Kittanning, and a few other places though. Linda

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Hey Linda (aka public enemy...) Boy, you really painted a vivid picture that is blazed upon my little brain. Never had the pleasure of coming across your ride, but it sounds like you established a rep w/ at least some of the Indianans. My Mom and grandparents lived at 917 Church St. and post highschool I was on N. 6th St. (beyond the hi falutin' homes). My Papa, in his younger years, lived up on a hill above downtown Indiana (name escapes me http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif) around 7th or 8th St. and lived right next door to Jimmy Stewart. Do you remember Jimmy's Dad's store on Philadelphia St.? Worked at Mussers nursery on Christmas break for College money. Did you ever get parts at any of the Auto Parts Inc. stores?

Thanks for sharing your memories and GOOD LUCK with whatever you decide to do. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Stuart Adams]

Post all the docs, pictures, etc. and hold an auction over a period of time set by the owner. I got a feeling 110K would not be the top offer. If all is true these cars don't come around anyday. Original owner, original condition, wow. They said it ran before they parked it with no major rust. Heck leave it all original, clean it up like Charley did the vettes, never know. 200 K for original Z - remember. Cool car, cool story. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[MikeA]

The supercar world is relatively small and I am sure the potential buyers know each other and have mutual friends. Therefore, they know what each other offered for the car. My point is... set a price and sell it when someone offers that price. If you want to test the waters put the car on ebay.

[Belair62]

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some people have the forsight to step up and pay above market value for a car they want.

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I agree...it may be expensive...but that will leave out the people who would want to get it cheap and flip it for more...the person who buys it will do so because they want one and are willing to enjoy the journey of restoring it...or leave it alone for what it is. I can supply them with a defective calculator that I have used a couple times ! Blue is awsum...original drivetrain is awsum...there is no better place to get a feel for what the market is than this site. I think you have had a lot of good input Linda...and armed with it you should go private now and sell your baby to the right person. We will all look forward to seeing it someday either cleaned up and detailed a bit or a full bore restoration !

[CTinCT]

I love this car, but if it was mine, I would take the money.

[hvychev]

To bad you have to sell it. Original owner cars are special IMO.

Would be cool if you restored it and brought it to a Supercar Reunion! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[71SSNova]

If it were mine and I wanted to sell it for the most money, I'd take it for Barrett-Jackson next year!!

[Rick H]

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Rick, as for original paint I have friends who orderd these cars new and had the dealer repaint them even before they took delivery. It's all a matter of what the owner wanted at the time. NOBODY back then was thinking that thier decisions were going to be questioned like it's part of the Spanish Inquisition.

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I understand that but instead of speculation I would like to have the original owners state why it's not original paint. 18,000 original mile car with original owner, docs and such but not original paint raises a flag for me.

I keep reading some posts here where some keep saying original condition and to me if the car is not original paint then its NOT original condition.

I think it's a legit question for what they are claiming and asking.

Rick H.

[Z-11 396]

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I love this car, but if it was mine, I would take the money.

[/ QUOTE ]...WHAT '' PRICE '' CAN YOU PUT ON LOVE.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif..NOW IF IT'S YOUR DOG, YOUR CAT, OR YOUR /// WIFE /// YES....BUT NEVER YOUR &lt;&lt;&lt; CAR &gt;&gt;&gt;.....KASEY .. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[farone]

Yeh, right...Take it to Barrett Jackson for the horse and pony show.... Be prepared to sell it at no reserve, or buy it back and pay both buyers and sellers fees, plus the cost of getting it there and ond all of the other associated costs involved. That makes alot of sence to me.... The car has had no attention for years, and needs alot of it now, let alone it is painted the wrong color. It is by no means a survivor IMO. You had probably the best buyer handed to you, but you thought that there was some gravy left on the plate. Alot of these buyers do not want the public to know their business, as to how much they are paying for these cars. We are on a real big upswing with muscle car prices right now, but it could turn around tomorrow. So maybe you should forget about the car for another 20 years and it might be worth more, but it might come crashing down. You have caused alot of bad feelings among socalled friends, I'm sure more than you know. Just my $.02.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

The non-original paint is completely irrelevant http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif If you knew how many deuces, (not to mention non-supercars) were repainted because the owners felt like it - you would be shocked. My deuce was repainted in '71 or '72 - does that make it a conspiracy? 'Cmon, you are fishin.

(BTW, the story we (Brian &amp; I) got regarding the repaint, was that it was repainted the color of Earl's niece's eyes. If that ain't sweet, I don't know what is. I think that story was news to Earl when we told him, but.... I thought it added some personal history to the car.)

As far as value.... who knows. Of course the $100k+ offers were very high - higher than any restored car has ever brought, much less a project car. But remember, the deuce world is different in several respects. (Don't flame me, this is an educated opinion - educated from knowing what every deuce has sold for in the past 10 years http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif )

First, the deuce novas do not sell nearly as frequently as the y-camaros, or y-chevelles for that matter. So, when a deuce 'is' sold, it is not unusual to see large price disparities between sales events - whether it's a project or a restored car.

Second, the deuce novas do not have a non-yenko copo 'following' like the camaros and the chevelles to 'track' the values; ie; each time a yenko camaro is sold, everyone does a wallet check, and when a non-yenko copo camaro is sold for the same value or more than the last yenko camaro - the yenko camaro owners perform another unrealized gain calculation. The deuce novas don't have another 200+ non-yenko copo fleet in circulation to guage selling prices from, so each sale is a stand alone event without anything else to show progression.

Third, the market has changed. 4-5 years ago the primary deuce buyer was a guy who wanted a deuce, or two, or three. Today, the market includes an increasing subset of buyers who are completing collections, and have decided to include a deuce. This subset is capable &amp; willing to pay more than the buyers of 1 year, 3 years &amp; especially 5+ years ago.

FWIW &amp; IMHO, the current deuce value for a car restored to high standards, with original drivetrain, and excellent paperwork is $150k. I think the offers made on this car were unreprecedentd &amp; extremely good for the sellers, and the offers were within reason for the potential buyers to get the car restored - hold it and enjoy it for a few years - and still not get upside down in the event it needs to be moved. So, if the sellers were 'testing the waters', I believe they found the sweet spot faster than they thought. However, as we all know, this could all change tomorrow http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[PPPJJJFFF]

Nice car! And since everyones giving their .02 cents. Here's mine. No reason not to test the market here on this board. I would say most feel 100K or more is a handful of cash for that car. So do I.

No disrepect, but unless I saw the cash change hands. Who really knows what it sells for!

[Zedder]

Good points Marlin and you are correct that cars like this are very difficult to put a value on because of the fact that so few are sold. I'm sort of in the same position with '67 Z's and have watched their selling prices very, very closely for the past 8 years. A year ago, I could confidently give someone an expected selling price on their car and be pretty darn close to what it would bring. However, all that has changed in the past year as more and more people are paying unprecedented prices for what they want. The '67 Z that is mentioned earlier in this thread is a really nice car that I would have said would bring maybe $90K - $100K last year due to the paperwork and one-owner status etc. The current owner is the cousin of the original owner and he wants $150K for it firm. Given how crazy the market is right now, it wouldn't surprise me if he gets it! When will it end??? I don't think anytime soon.

[BUIZILLA]

Okay, I have one more stupid question...

what makes this UNRESTORED, PAINTED, MODIFIED ENGINE car worth 50k more than Stefano's L78 ?? I swear, I must be in the dark ages... 2 Yenko decals, some glue on door trim and a LOT of dirt add's 80k to the value of a documented, and fully restored or original, mint condition SS350 or L34 4 speed car? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Jim

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

4 letters: COPO + 5 letters: YENKO

[firstgenaddict]

"What makes this UNRESTORED, PAINTED, MODIFIED ENGINE car worth 50k more than Stefano's L78 ??"

If you have to ask...you'll never understand.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

[ QUOTE ]
Okay, I have one more stupid question...

what makes this UNRESTORED, PAINTED, MODIFIED ENGINE car worth 50k more than Stefano's L78 ?? I swear, I must be in the dark ages... 2 Yenko decals, some glue on door trim and a LOT of dirt add's 80k to the value of a documented, and fully restored or original, mint condition SS350 or L34 4 speed car? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Jim

[/ QUOTE ]

'cmon Jim, when you made a FAST car - what did you copy, an L78 or L34 car?

[BUIZILLA]

Marlin..... neither http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

[ QUOTE ]
Okay, I have one more stupid question...

what makes this UNRESTORED, PAINTED, MODIFIED ENGINE car worth 50k more than Stefano's L78 ?? I swear, I must be in the dark ages... 2 Yenko decals, some glue on door trim and a LOT of dirt add's 80k to the value of a documented, and fully restored or original, mint condition SS350 or L34 4 speed car? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Jim

[/ QUOTE ]

Jim....your description of just adding decals etc seems more what a clone could be....these ones were glued on by Don and the boys! . Original owner too....ain't much closer you can get here in '06? . Welcome to the dark ages!?

Lots of good points though and I think Linda and Earl's way of checking the market before they actually make it available is pretty smart! . Linda's description notes some great details too....can't think of too many women I've run across that care about original exaust pipes?

I like a combination of a lot of the ideas....clean it up and run it this year, go to the Supercar Reunion and/or other shows and have fun building the exitement of the upcoming sale at BJ or eBay or wherever? . In todays world of reality drama, it would sure be a better TV or magazine story than what's on the tube now?

Lastly, what personal tax implications will result in the sale of the car? . Have you discussed these rough market figures w/ your accountant yet? . Best do this before agreeing on anything as you may net more after tax dough by waiting for retirement....or by selling it to Marlin cheap???

Good luck whatever you do and thanks for sharing! . It'd be fun to see some history pictures and orig documents copies. ~ Pete

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Exactly - you know the value (and ET!) of a copo installed LT1 in a Nova http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Jeff H]

Marlin, I agree on thinking that a restored Deuce would be in the $150K range. Add the original owner and paperwork and it's that much better.

[MikeA]

[ QUOTE ]
Marlin, I agree on thinking that a restored Deuce would be in the $150K range. Add the original owner and paperwork and it's that much better.

[/ QUOTE ]

Does buying the car from the original owner add value? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[firstgenaddict]

Does buying the car from the original owner add value? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

To some people it does...

[PPPJJJFFF]

[ QUOTE ]
Does buying the car from the original owner add value? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

To some people it does...

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Marlin, I agree on thinking that a restored Deuce would be in the $150K range. Add the original owner and paperwork and it's that much better.

[/ QUOTE ]

Does buying the car from the original owner add value? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Original owner adds some value for a select few people, especially if they have other cars that were also purchased from original owners. It's a very short list however, and the premium attached varies by the individual.

(It's an intangible item that is hard to value.)

[Stuart Adams]

Marlin, how many unrestored cars are there, it seems to me that this car might be a better investment if left alone and just cleaned up. If you restore it, that puts it into the restored pool of cars instead of the probably few unrestored. Your thoughts? You are the man with these cars.

An unrestored car appeals to both unrestored people and people looking to restore one.

[Belair62]

Investment ? Buy that sucker and beat the crap out of it and if it's holds it's value or increases in value it's icing on the cake ! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Stuart Adams]

Yeah and investment in tires and gasoline...LOL.

[Belair62]

zacly

[Xplantdad]

Hey Gags...when is yours going to be done? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Steve Shauger]

Did you look at the car...it is NOT an unmolested survivor car from what pics I have see. Low mileage,orig owner yes.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Yenko Deuce Registry Stats:

Cars Found: 86 -&gt; 4speeds=64 &amp; a/t's=21
Cars Totalled: 11 -&gt; 4speeds= 8 &amp; a/t's= 3
Cars Remaining: 79 -&gt; 4speeds=50 &amp; a/t's=29

Cars in original condition: 42 -&gt; 4speeds=32 &amp; a/t's=10
Cars w/ original owners: 11 -&gt; 4speeds= 7 &amp; a/t's= 3
Cars w/ original drivetrains:28 -&gt; 4speeds=21 &amp; a/t's= 7

[Stuart Adams]

Wow, alot more original drivetrain cars than I thought. $110K is a good number IMO.

No I have not seen the car. Just a generalization and finding out how many cars are out there. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Roof]

Okay Guys, I know I'm a lady and a bit sensitive but I feel like we're really getting beat up here. Greed?? Gravy?? Did we do something wrong? We're only honest hard working people with a car for sale. Can you blame us for wanting to find a fair price? If it were your car would you just give it away to the first good offer. We aren't saying these offers have not been good. We were really shocked at how high they were. But if you were in our shoes and sold this car for $50,000 this week and found someone who would pay $100,000 the next how would you feel? We're not trying to rip anybody off. We were just trying to find out what the car was worth!!!!We're not crooks as some of you have been implying. It's not like we've had this car for sale for a month or more and were holding out for the GRAVY. As for making the offers public I had no idea how much of a stir that would cause. When we get PMs or phone calls from serious buyers we pretty much have to make them aware of our highest offer. Don't you think word would have gotten out that way? What about people who buy at BJ auction, it's not like that's a big secret. I see posts in here saying "I paid" or "so and so paid" so how much of a secret is it really? If I've caused any hard feelings or offended anyone I'm sorry, that was certainly not my intention. To Rick H, we never said the car was original condition, only said we were original owners. And to the person who is questioning our integrity because the paint color was changed, we simply changed it because we wanted to. It's a simple as that. I was 18 years old when we bought this car and Earl was 23. Who can say why we do some of the dumb things we did? I've learned a lot from this experience. I've learned there are some people out there who wouldn't trust anyone and wish to believe the worst about people. I've also learned there are some gems out there, too. People who are willing to stick up for others and believe the best about them, probably because that's what they would want others to do for them. I truly do apologize if we have caused any hard feelings between anybody. Not much more I can say than that. Linda

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

The number of deuces with original drivetrains is higher than most people expect, Linda hinted at the reason why. Although numerous letters were written by Don Yenko to the NHRA, the deuce was never officially classified as a stock combination. Don attempted to get the car certified as late as August of '71. Those that wished to race the deuce in NHRA were forced to run in MP. There are reports from owners that they simply parked their deuce after they could not run it, one owner was so perturbed at Don that he took the YENKO off of the q/panels - if he had known that the emblems were sticky's he would have removed them as well.

The deuce was classified by the AHRA as E-stock, and by the NAAR in Oakmont, PA as F-stock.

So, without an official class to run in NHRA, most cars were never raced, therefore, their drivetrains have survived.

[PeteLeathersac]

Linda....please don't be offended by any remarks here. . As with many situations in life, different opinions and good ol' bantering helps expose reality. . Personally I think you've done it all exactly right....also by not saying you'll accept the figures offered doesn't mean you expect more? . I also think you'd like to find the right home for your car, not necessarily reach the highest $ amount? . Either way, good luck! ~ Pete

[Stuart Adams]

Linda, I think you have been awesome during this. I would do the same thing if I was away from the car scene and had a collectable car to sell - see what the market will bear. You'll NEVER have another chance once its gone.

Don't feel bad, all cars have history of good and bad. Nice story, cool car at 18 years of age. You ought to be proud you kept the car so long, that is special in todays world.

[Roof]

Thanks Pete and Stuart, I really needed the emotional support. And Pete you hit the nail on the head. Earl and I had already talked about the possibility of turning down a higher offer and going with a lower one if it meant keeping the car in the area and being able to see some of the progress made with the restoration. The car does have a lot of sentimental value attached to it. In 1974 we spiffed it all up and brought our first son home from the hospital in it so he could say his first ride was in a Yenko Deuce. And although Earl put most of the miles on it, I was occasionally seen driving around Indiana in it with a string of guys following me. Didn't take me long to realize it was the car and not me. Linda

[Belair62]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey Gags...when is yours going to be done?


[/ QUOTE ]

It's still about 34 degrees in hell...so we have a while to go. ....Linda...it is perfectly acceptable to tell everyone to shut up and post the http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif .thingy whenever you want to !!

[amuseme]

Linda, don't be offended by any comments/opinions on here. There is ALOT of passion for these cars here.Also remember that there are people here who can flitter away that kind of coin for kicks and others who would fight to the death for it! That makes for many different points of view.I think you're doing just fine. Oh, yeah, LOVE the Deuce!

[Allen]

[ QUOTE ]
I was occasionally seen driving around Indiana in it..........

[/ QUOTE ]

I think it needs to come back to Indiana. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Allen (in Indiana and wishing he had a '70 Yenko Deuce)

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Sorry AC - that's Indiana, PA not the state of IN http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif Had you been in the state of IN earlier in your life you would have seen my deuce running around Madison and Dupont, IN http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Allen]

[ QUOTE ]
Sorry AC - that's Indiana, PA not the state of IN http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif Had you been in the state of IN earlier in your life you would have seen my deuce running around Madison and Dupont, IN http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

That's okay..... Indiana, Pennsylvania..... Madison, Indiana...... regardless, there needs to be another one running around here. It should live in my garage while not running around.

Allen

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
Okay Guys, I know I'm a lady and a bit sensitive but I feel like we're really getting beat up here. Greed?? Gravy?? Did we do something wrong? We're only honest hard working people with a car for sale. Can you blame us for wanting to find a fair price? If it were your car would you just give it away to the first good offer. We aren't saying these offers have not been good. We were really shocked at how high they were. But if you were in our shoes and sold this car for $50,000 this week and found someone who would pay $100,000 the next how would you feel? We're not trying to rip anybody off. We were just trying to find out what the car was worth!!!!We're not crooks as some of you have been implying. It's not like we've had this car for sale for a month or more and were holding out for the GRAVY. As for making the offers public I had no idea how much of a stir that would cause. When we get PMs or phone calls from serious buyers we pretty much have to make them aware of our highest offer. Don't you think word would have gotten out that way? What about people who buy at BJ auction, it's not like that's a big secret. I see posts in here saying "I paid" or "so and so paid" so how much of a secret is it really? If I've caused any hard feelings or offended anyone I'm sorry, that was certainly not my intention. To Rick H, we never said the car was original condition, only said we were original owners. And to the person who is questioning our integrity because the paint color was changed, we simply changed it because we wanted to. It's a simple as that. I was 18 years old when we bought this car and Earl was 23. Who can say why we do some of the dumb things we did? I've learned a lot from this experience. I've learned there are some people out there who wouldn't trust anyone and wish to believe the worst about people. I've also learned there are some gems out there, too. People who are willing to stick up for others and believe the best about them, probably because that's what they would want others to do for them. I truly do apologize if we have caused any hard feelings between anybody. Not much more I can say than that. Linda

[/ QUOTE ]

You should keep the car, restore it and enjoy it. Then, when you decide to sell it, take it out to Scottsdale and let'er rip.

I've said it on here before: If there's someone among us who doesn't want top dollar for their car please raise your hand.

This site has done much to glorify the well-deserved legend of Yenko (and other) Supercars. Thus, such cars become highly prized collectibles which are fought over among a small group who can afford them. Who is suprised by that? Yeah, it's too bad most of us can't afford them but then capitalism can be a real b*tch, especially when you're unable to play.

No wonder today's kids drive ricers, they can't afford to buy our Camaros, Chevelles, Novas, etc.! Then we rip them for trying to make their Hondas go as fast as our legendary musclecars.

Keep that Deuce and enjoy it.

[Rick H]

[ QUOTE ]
To Rick H, we never said the car was original condition

[/ QUOTE ]

Neither did I, that came from someone else.

Good Luck.

Rick H.

[Xplantdad]

Linda,

There are some people here that are so passionate about cars that sometimes they type before they really think about what they want to say. I've been guilty of this a few times myself. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Overall, the group here is wonderful...and after meeting a lot of these people in person...they're still cool http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Like I said before, good luck with whatever you do with your Deuce. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Stefano]

What a cool find. Thanks for sharing!

[bilede]

Marlin, can you provide the specs on this car for those of us interested. which vin is it, original color, any special options, etc.. I see its blue, everyone says its been repainted but is it a fathom blue car or something else changed to blue like neices eyes? thanks!!

[Roof]

Hi, Was the name of the hill Vinegar Hill? I don't actually remember Jimmy Stewart's dad's store but Earl does. That's what an age difference of 5 years means. And yes it was Delaney Chevrolet who turned us down on the trade. Don't even remember what we were negotiating on now since that dealership has never been a favorite of ours. The only car I can remember buying there was a 1985 Monte Carlo SS. I drove that car the whole time I was in nursing school and then we gave it to our oldest boy for graduation. He still has it, it sits in our garage next to the Deuce when he's not out terrorizing the town with it. Like father, like son, I guess. Our other boy has a Buick Regal GS. It gets parked in our basement garage every winter. Hope they soon build garages of their own. Yes we did do a lot of business at the Auto Parts Store. Earl's idea of a fun date before we were married was pulling his Chevelle into the garage every other Sunday and swapping intakes. I think to this day if I had to change an intake manifold on one of those older Chevys I could probably do it blindfolded. Linda

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Sure,

This car is a Fathom Blue, 4speed, with no dealer installed options - so, no custom steering wheel, special sport mirrors, or gauges, etc... This car was produced in the first run of cars, therefore was converted by Yenko SportsCars as opposed to Hurst Performance, and is the 48th car produced - stock number YS-051, sold by Howard Livesly. The VIN is 349981, chevy order #QLL440, sold out of Yenko Chevrolet.

There were 35 Fathom Blue deuces produced, of which 16 (46%) remain today, (12 4speeds, and 4 a/t's). The Fathom Blue and Cranberry Red were popular colors, and sold briskly compared to other colors - especially gobi beige and citrus green, and is a favorite color among collectors today.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

The Roof's do have the requisite Mid '80's Monte Carlo SS next to their deuce http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif It is amazing how many deuce owners also own/owned a Monte Carlo SS from the '80's - especially original owners. I don't know the reason, but it's awfully ironic http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Mr70]

Any of those Aero coupes?
http://www.cars-on-line.com/13000/87monte13057-C.jpg

[camarojoe]

Hey Linda and Earl... you remember sitting across the desk from this guy? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/188027-ebaypics576.jpg

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

[ QUOTE ]
Any of those Aero coupes?
http://www.cars-on-line.com/13000/87monte13057-C.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't think so, but then I wasn't really lookin at the Monte's http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Rainer]

[ QUOTE ]
Earl's idea of a fun date before we were married was pulling his Chevelle into the garage every other Sunday and swapping intakes. I think to this day if I had to change an intake manifold on one of those older Chevys I could probably do it blindfolded. Linda

[/ QUOTE ]

Sounds like Earl hit the jackpot in his choice of wife as well as car http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[bilede]

thanks for details marlin. Funny about the monte SS's. not original owner but I owned a white/silver decals with burgandy interior '88 monte ss in the late 80's. closest thing chevy had like a muscle car.. liked it because it drove like a '60's car.

[Belair62]

[ QUOTE ]
Sounds like Earl hit the jackpot in his choice of wife as well as car

[/ QUOTE ]

Damn..come on over...I have to yank a 6 banger and replace it with a 409 here pretty soon.


Camarojoe...what the HELL are you doing with a picture of that guy ?

[MrsBillyBobcat]

[ QUOTE ]

Overall, the group here is wonderful...and after meeting a lot of these people in person...they're still cool http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif


[/ QUOTE ]

I agree! I have found most of them to be even COOLER in person! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif

I wish you the best Linda! You seem to be very cool as well! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Rita http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[camarojoe]

I have photos of almost all of the yenko staff from the supercar era... these were the photos they hung in the hallway at the dealership, showing all the current staff at the time. Besides that, I don't have any monte carlo SS pics. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

You gotta decorate your garage with something...

[Kim_Howie]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[69hurstSC]

linda/earl do whats in your heart and dont have any regrets!

[Donnie]

Linda,
ive read all the replys and the one thing I keep thinking is dont any of your sons want the car?

[hvychev]

[ QUOTE ]
It is amazing how many deuce owners also own/owned a Monte Carlo SS from the '80's - especially original owners. I don't know the reason, but it's awfully ironic


[/ QUOTE ]

Marlin you mean like this? My Monte Carlo SS was one of my favorite cars. I wish that I had never sold it. It was the exact car that I had always wanted like it. I recently saw the guy that I sold it to and asked him if I could buy it back and he told me pass!

http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/Old_home_new_homw_car_Frank_s_stuff_033.jpg


Linda, do not listen to any of the negativity. You have every right to sell your car for as much as you can get for it. Imagine if you had not clicked on here and some guy gave you penny's and stole the car. Then you would have been out and not gotten what the car was worth. Better to sell it to the guy that is gonna return it to it's glory then some opportunist.

[hvychev]

One more. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/Old_home_new_homw_car_Frank_s_stuff_032.jpg

[Salvatore]

Real nice Frank! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Belair62]

You're blocking out the sun big boy...

[indyjps]

anyone talked to linda about the reunion. if they still have the car it would be great if they could make it, there has to be somone passing by their area or willing to give the car a lift.

[farone]

Frank, Do you call $110,000.00 pennies ?????? That offer was made before the car was made public... And it WAS A GUY WHO WAS GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO IT'S GLORY AS WELL AS KEEP THE ORIGINAL OWNERS INVOLVED.... WHAT MORE CAN YOU ASK FOR ???? These people have done nothing with the car in the past 30 years. It hasn't even been dusted off since Marlin took the pics of it several years ago. It has just sat and collected more dust.. I'm sure that there's some attachment there, but if you would see the car in person, it would make you wonder....

[COPO]

If the owners have been out of the mainstream collector car market for any amount of time, they likely had no idea if $110,000 was a good offer or not. A year ago, $45K-$50K would have likely bought this car. Personally, I think it is a tremendous offer and far exceeds any previous sales, but can you blame them for conducting some due diligence if they don't have a personal frame of reference for comparison? It would be great to see the car restored or just cleaned up and out at some shows for everyone to appreciate. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[DaJudge]

All this talk about Indiana, PA brings back good memories. I graduated from IUP and my apartment was on Water street.Great town I sure don't miss the Sheetz death dogs with saurkraut, chili, cheese, jalepenos and onion at 3:00am after a night at the DTD house (killer heartburn). Earl and Linda good luck with the sale sounds like a very cool car from cool original owners http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Belair62]

[ QUOTE ]
Frank, Do you call $110,000.00 pennies ??????

[/ QUOTE ]
He was talking about the old usual guys who used to sneak around and backdoor people...not the legit offers...and so what if they didn't do anything with it for 30 years.It must be a good start if they were made serious offers.

[NWYENKO]

If these are legitimate offers it is possible other Dueces may begin to surface in the "for sale" category! Jim

[Stuart Adams]

Zactly. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[camarojoe]

[ QUOTE ]
All this talk about Indiana, PA brings back good memories. I graduated from IUP and my apartment was on Water street.Great town I sure don't miss the Sheetz death dogs with saurkraut, chili, cheese, jalepenos and onion at 3:00am after a night at the DTD house (killer heartburn). Earl and Linda good luck with the sale sounds like a very cool car from cool original owners http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey, IUP alumni here too! I lived on 722 Philly, right across from Scro's bar...total sh*t hole apartment... When were you there? I might have been in the death dog line behind you at the Sheetz a few times. (Hold the kraut on mine though please.) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Rainer]

[ QUOTE ]
Frank, Do you call $110,000.00 pennies ?????? That offer was made before the car was made public... And it WAS A GUY WHO WAS GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO IT'S GLORY AS WELL AS KEEP THE ORIGINAL OWNERS INVOLVED.... WHAT MORE CAN YOU ASK FOR ????

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't mean to get in your business, farone, but from your replies in this thread I take it you were the $110K offer?

[hvychev]

[ QUOTE ]
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Frank, Do you call $110,000.00 pennies ??????


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He was talking about the old usual guys who used to sneak around and backdoor people...not the legit offers...and so what if they didn't do anything with it for 30 years.It must be a good start if they were made serious offers.


[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly Belair. Frank I meant nothing about who ever made the $110k offer. I am glad that these people are going to get there due and get what the car is worth as opposed to someone getting it for like 10-30K because the owners were not "in the know."

Personally if in fact it is YOU I would be happy to see you get the car. I would love to see a Deuce get the Arone/SCW treatment! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[mockingbird812]

Yep Linda, it was/is Vinegar Hill. Terrific to hear of a former customer of my Papa (Sam Brubaker). He loved his job and would wake at any time of the night to help a customer. Delaney never impressed me either. But I did get a few parts for my '49 Chevy Sedan (some hot rod!) that were still in the system in the mid 70's. Sounds like the whole family has a good healthy appreciation for American Muscle. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif Man that Earl sure knows how to pitch some serious woo! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Now everyone mind your manners and remember, don't mix it up with an Indiana girl. You could bite off more than you could chew. I know, cause I was raised by one! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[sYc]

Pictures from Linda.

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/188292-lr-1.jpg

[sYc]

More.

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[camarojoe]

Amazing what a little soap and water will do...Is that the original XT spare on the left rear?

[Seattle Sam]

Beautiful, honest unrestored car!

[chads454Ls6]

Marlin,in regards to the hood tach did they mount them anywhere or was there a set place? The location on this car looks totally different from mine.

[camarojoe]

Chad, I'm wondering if the lack of hood stripes might be throwing your visual perception off...It looked like it was way too close to the center of the hood when i first looked at the pics, but I just checked my car and the tach looks to be in just about the same place as this one... as well as a few other deuces I have saved pics of.

[KENNY_PASCOE]

AMAZING WHAT A HOSE AND SOAP AND WATER CAN DO WITH 20 + YEARS OF DIRT... KP

[Schonyenko2]

I think Joe is right. Some are off a little. Kinda like the stripes. None are exactly the same. But this one is where it should be.

[JoeG]

Car is in super shape-----my hat goes off to the owners for not letting it rot in some field .....

[CTinCT]

Great car. I wish it was in my garage, but I'm a little off the money on this one.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

The tach is pretty much where it should be, hard to tell from the pics. Joe's tach is exactly where mine is/was - I gave my original hood to neal for a template for Joe's car http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Linda,
I'm assuming the NOS fenders would go with the car if you sold it? I remember a pair of them against the back wall when we were there.

[Roof]

Hi Marlin, I'm almost positive Earl is going to let the fenders go with the car. Can't imagine what we would do with them. That is the original spare on the back. Joe, can't believe you have a picture of the salesman!!! We got a big chuckle out of that. Talk about a trip down memory lane. Let me explain about the dust since that seems to be a big issue. As I said previously, Earl runs an excavation business. When he comes home from a job he puts the equipment back in the garage, sometimes dirt, mud, and all!! This equipment sits in the bay right next to the cars and when we sweep this bay out, guess what?? DUST!!
Doug had his Monte Carlo out in late November last year, cleaned it all up and took it for a ride. When he came back he parked it in the garage next to the Deuce and within two weeks it was covered with dust again. It's not that we don't try to take care of these cars. We did install an exhaust fan in the equipment side of the garage to see if that helps some. Also a public thanks to Tom for getting the pics posted for us. We don't plan on messing around with this much longer. Afraid of getting accused of causing hard feelings amongst you guys again. Hope to make a decision real soon. Thanks, Linda

[Roof]

Marlin, Do you happen to remember what year your pictures were taken? Also Earl put a Lakewood bellhousing on the car and would like to keep it. We do have the original bellhousing to go with the car. Have seen some beautiful cars on this site. Especially loved the pictures of the Deuce with the Monte next to it. Linda

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Linda, Brian Henderson and I were there Feb. 19, 2000, you can see Brian in one of the pics - standing in front of the NOS fenders that were leaning up against the wall.

The original bellhousing will have a part number cast into it, ending with the numbers ...621. It's an 11" aluminum unit that was commonly replaced. (In fact, another deuce had the clutch let go during some 'spirited' driving. The clutch stuff struck a bellhousing attaching bolt dead-on, and took it right off the block - ruining the block. This deuce has a 427 in it from that day on, and a scattershield - the owner figured he step up the power &amp; the protection).

The Monte SS thing is purely coincidental, and makes me chuckle each time I see one parked next to a deuce. It is just one of those things that make you go 'hmmmmm', a deuce and a Monte SS - a lot of deuce owners think alike I guess. (I too would own one if the cards were right, but so far - not yet).

[Roof]

Marlin, Never could figure out who that was in the background of the pics. For a long time thought it was our neighbor. Thanks for enlightening me. I've always loved the monte ss. I really enjoyed running that car. When we decided we needed a new vehicle after I graduated nursing school we thought about trading it. We certainly didn't need any more cars sitting around but I really hated to part with it. That's when we came up with the idea to give it to Doug for graduation. We're glad we kept it in the family. We bought the car used, think the original owner was from Ohio. Linda

[Bill Pritchard]

Linda,

Please do not take offense at some of the comments posted in this whole thread. Everyone here is just very passionate about these cars and sometimes tend to get carried away. You sound like a truly wonderful person and I have had just a great time reading your stories about the car and its history with your family.....obviously it means a lot to you!! Like some others here, I hope you find it possible to just keep the car and get it going again. You would not need to do a restoration or anything....just clean it a bit and drive it.

Thanks again for your contributions here http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif and I hope we all get to hear more from you in the future http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[1970ChevelleSS]

Linda will you take payments over 30 years? If so I can make a good offer.

[Roof]

Cute!!! But could you make it over 20 years? After all this stress I'm not sure I'll be around for another 30!!! If you can stand one more story I can give you the history on the traction bars. Was in a real stew one year shortly after we were married trying to figure out what to get Earl for Christmas besides the usual socks and tees. Finally came up with the idea of traction bars for the Deuce. I was so excited, I thought he'd never believe I would come up with that great a gift. Had no idea how or what to buy at the time though so contacted a friend of Earl's who pointed me in the right direction. Had them ordered and was anxiously awaiting their arrival. Couldn't wait to get them wrapped and under the tree. Earl was working a 3-11 shift that night and I waited up as usual for him to come home. He walked in the door and set a box on the floor with--you guessed it---TRACTION BARS!!!!!!!! I was so disappointed I think he ended up with socks and tees. Linda

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Interesting story on the traction bars Linda. I took the picture of the undersid because of those traction bars. It is very unusual for a deuce to get traction bars installed, and still retain the factory rear sway bar setup. The bars that are on this deuce are unique in that they bolt to the bottom of the leaf spring plate - as opposed to replacing the leaf spring plate. The majority of deuces have the traditional J-Hook style of traction bars installed, necessitating the removal of the sway bar unit. Just a FWIW.

[bilede]

I noticed that in the photo marlin and couldn't see the j hooks but assumed they were there. who made these units that would allow you to retain the sway bar?

thx!

[Bill Pritchard]

[ QUOTE ]
If you can stand one more story ....

[/ QUOTE ]

I think we can 'stand' as many stories as you are able to relate to us http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Keep 'em coming!

[Roof]

Earl says he bought the traction bars at Auto Parts store on Gompers Avenue. I think this was Sam's Papa's store. Earl's uncle Jack Rising used to work for this store. Earl says there were brackets on the bars for the shocks to bolt to but he cut them off so he didn't have to take the sway bar off. Then he built a set for the neighbor's Nova. He says he put the traction bars on because he was tired of hearing the springs rap when he power shifted. One night we took the car to the Cadet down at Kittanning. After we had everyone's attention by driving through a few times, I got behind the wheel and took it through the parking lot. At the end of the lot where it was dark we did a quick driver swap and Earl burned it out of the lot and slapped it through the gears out on 422. Then we switched back and I drove it back through the parking lot so everyone thought I was the one horsing it. We had a lot of fun that night.

[Z28DZ]

[ QUOTE ]
One night we took the car to the Cadet down at Kittanning. After we had everyone's attention by driving through a few times, I got behind the wheel and took it through the parking lot. At the end of the lot where it was dark we did a quick driver swap and Earl burned it out of the lot and slapped it through the gears out on 422. Then we switched back and I drove it back through the parking lot so everyone thought I was the one horsing it. We had a lot of fun that night.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's absolutely priceless!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[hvychev]

Man, I would love to own this Deuce just because of the storys! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Linda, do you and Earl have any old pictures of the car?

[NOCOPO]

Linda, Earl,
Speaking of more stories ....would you please tell us the story of the missing stripes? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Bill, I don't think this version of the traction bars has the J-Hooks, just a mount below the spring plate. These bars are very unique, especially in the snubber area. They are not something you would find on a track car, but probably handled the wheel hop problem Linda was describing. We've all had the wheel hop issue at one time or another, sounds like the rear is going to flop out of the car http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[redeuce]

As a Classic Car appraiser, my advice to you would be to thoroughly clean the vehicle and consign it to a high line auction within the next 6-9 months. The rare investment, numbers matching classic market operates on somewhat of a pyramid method. It begins at a broad base, with vehicles priced low and everyone buying, and (like a pyramid) as the prices rise, the buying pool shrinks. There have been two other “equalizations” in classic car history, and I believe the third one is inevitable. The first were the pre and post war cars, that were skyrocketing in the late seventies and early eighties. With the introduction of the muscle cars, that market dropped and never did recover.

The second was in the late eighties, when muscle car prices went through the roof. The equalization that occurred decimated the market, and it took several years to recover. I still remember the gentleman that bought the Fathom Blue LS6 convertible from a classic dealer for $150,000 in the late eighties. A few years later, he had no takers at $90,000. It took several years for him to finally recoup his money. A rule of thumb- when the investment vehicle market prices the product out of the hands of Joe Public and into the hands of only a small group of collectors, the equalization occurs. This is due to the fact that after the small group is done swapping and acquiring vehicles, there is no one left with the financial means to buy them. I believe we are approaching another equalization. The problem is, you have no advance warning- it just happens. The collectors that purchased at the lower end of the pyramid and sold at the high end are winners. Those who purchased at the top of the pyramid are going to suffer some, the degree of suffering being unknown. Those financially secure enough to sit on their cars can always weather the market fluctuation.

When you hear comments that some cars sold for “stupid money”, that is a clue. The two partners that formed B/J were honorable and reputable men- you could always view these auction results as an indicator of the market-no more. The circus atmosphere and grandstanding has nullified B/J as an indicator of anything. If you want top dollar for your vehicle, I’d sell it in the near future.

[Belair62]

People paying high prices for these cars are buying them because they want them...B/J is only an outlet for that. Circus and all. Prices don't equate to what happens there. Very low production and rare muscle is always going to be expensive until guys my age retire and move to Florida. That won't be for a while ! Middle of the road cars is where people are paying too much...by people trying to tap in on the B/J hype.

[budnate]

[ QUOTE ]
People paying high prices for these cars are buying them because they want them...B/J is only an outlet for that. Circus and all. Prices don't equate to what happens there. Very low production and rare muscle is always going to be expensive until guys my age retire and move to Florida. That won't be for a while ! Middle of the road cars is where people are paying too much...by people trying to tap in on the B/J hype.

[/ QUOTE ]

I see more people around here interested in muscle or be it a early car with mags and some other touches of any sort..due to ?? who knows...but they are grabbing up middle of the road drivers fast and playing with them...then the old supply and demand thing kicks in..if its fairly clean with minimal rust they sell fast...and it looks like that trend online as well... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

I have non car people that know I love cars mention BJ more and more in conversations at kid functions etc...the money has gotten a lot of people excited one way or another..or at least asking whats going on...and maybe that old heap there husband has buried in the garage since they were married may be something after all... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Mr70]

My 91 year old grandmother,who doesn't even know what day it is says:
"That Barrett Jackson boy is doing alright for himself."

[Late BrakeU2]

[ QUOTE ]
People paying high prices for these cars are buying them because they want them...B/J is only an outlet for that. Circus and all. Prices don't equate to what happens there. Very low production and rare muscle is always going to be expensive until guys my age retire and move to Florida. That won't be for a while ! Middle of the road cars is where people are paying too much...by people trying to tap in on the B/J hype.

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactamundo!

[Stuart Adams]

I agree with ya Bob. The expensive rare cars are dragging up the prices of the average stuff, those cars will take the hit first, if ever IMO.

Prices of EVERYTHING is wild. A patient just bought a second house on the beach in Southern California for 2 mill, bulldozed the old house, and is rebuilding a new house on the lot!!! Just like the nice rare cars, they aint making beaches anymore!! People will pay top dollar for the GOOD stuff, IMO.http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[redeuce]

That's exactly my point- the middle of the road drivers are coming back strong. They have been dead for a few years. The reason the middle of the road drivers are picking up is the average buyer is once again priced out of the collector car market. Back in the mid nineties we were selling first gen Camaros and all Chevelles for $20,000, no matter what was under the hood. This time around, Joe Public has leaned more toward affordable day 2 cars, old race cars, etc. That demand will obviously drive the price of those cars up accordingly, just as it did before. Then at some point, everything is going to equalize, beause all old cars become overpriced. Bob, you are a younger Baby Boomer- there is a good percentage of Boomers that have already packed up for warmer climates. I hope you are right and prices keep climbing. But as an appraiser and seller of muscle cars for 11 years, I see something brewing down the road.

[TDW]

If I read you right, are you saying a guy with a couple of pretty nice muscle cars should start thinking about selling them, before they have a big drop in value?

[Belair62]

[ QUOTE ]
But as an appraiser and seller of muscle cars for 11 years, I see something brewing down the road.


[/ QUOTE ]
There is always something to look at down the road..but trying to figure out how long the road is would be a hopeless excersize.I know I am at the younder end of the baby boom...but there are a zillion of us all wanting the same cool stuff.


T...with all due respect ...I wouldn't exactly go running out selling everything based on his opinion.

[Stuart Adams]

So are you telling all your customers that your cars are overpriced and they should not buy them.

The reason the average Z28 is 50K and up is because the rare stuff has pulled them up. If the markets take a stumble the average high production cars will fall the most and the rare stuff will be ok, IMO. Also people that can only afford the high production cars are not stupid all of the sudden, they probably realize that its stupid money to spend big bucks for a high production car just because of the market being pulled up by the rare stuff. In the end they still view it as average everybody has one car but at a high price.

[Jim Mulvey]

The reason I own a couple of muscle cars is because I like them. I also like the newer high performance cars as well and value is secondary to my purchase decision. The amount of depreciation that I have incurred on my past new car purchases could probably buy me a couple of Yenko Camaros, but I still enjoyed having them.

For me, it is not about the value down the road for a new car purchase (an obvious losing situation) and that translates over to muscle cars as well. Luckily, they do hold value better than new cars (a heck of alot better!) and still have a chance to potentially appreciate as well.

[ANDY M]

There will always be cars that money just can't buy. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a146/ameyers215/57nomad3.jpg

Keep asking, and they're not for sale, ever. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif
The number of cars like this is staggering, we keep finding them and talking about them, and for every one like this, there are probably 3 more in some garage or barn just waiting... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[JoeG]

Barring some unforeseen force of nature or country the musclecar prices will still continue to rise especially in the shadows of the modern muscle coming out of the Big Three. How long the road is is anybody's guess , but I would wear a good pair of walking shoes. The price of the average musclecar is $$$$$---the price of the high end musclecar or Supercar is $$$$$$$$$$--Enjoying the cars of someone's youth or enjoying a special time gone by for those who weren't there, thru the stories and cars of yesterday is priceless---In the end all that really matters are the memories of good times and good friends---Enjoy the 60's/70s while they're here the second time around---...Joe

[Xplantdad]

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In the end all that really matters are the memories of good times and good friends---Enjoy the 60's/70s while they're here the second time around---...Joe

[/ QUOTE ]

Joe, you hit the nail on the head...again! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Any monetary gain while having fun with my car is secondary...For me, it's about the people (here on the Y-net...at the cruises...casual talk as I'm filling the Chevelle up at the gas station) both young and old.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[redeuce]

This all started out trying to explain something to a person who has a rare car sitting in their garage, wondering about selling it. Not as a global warning to all muscle car owners. Stuart- If you take a look at my website, you will see I don't have to tell my customers I'm overpricing a car- I am known for selling them at a price that usually leaves a little on the table for the buyer, instead of trying to squeeze the last dollar out of them. Many on this board know me and can tell you that is the truth. I'm not telling you all to panic sell your cars- I'm making a statement about trends based on the overinflated values of many cars during the last 2 years. Time will tell.

[MikeA]

[ QUOTE ]
Enjoying the cars of someone's youth or enjoying a special time gone by for those who weren't there, thru the stories and cars of yesterday is priceless---In the end all that really matters are the memories of good times and good friends---Enjoy the 60's/70s while they're here the second time around

[/ QUOTE ]

Your right!! My '72 Nova was my first car and I have a bunch of great memories. To me, the '72 is just as valuable as my Deuce.

[TXSS]

I've restored and/or sold over 20 American Muscle cars over the past 2-3 years and in hind sight, every one sold to cheep. At the time I thought the price was right in line. But, I'd love to have that #'s 66 427 Vette back I sold for 47K or that #'s 69 X77 Z28 I sold for 37K. It seems like, if you buy the right car what ever you pay today will be less than you pay tomorrow. Old car appeal is generational and what ever cars the generation that drives the US economy in general loves will be the hot cars and will continue to be hot until that generation starts to die off (to be blunt about it). Then the next generation and the cars they love take over. God forbid. Right now Baby Boomers drive the US economy so the cars that Baby Boomers love, American Muscle cars are hot and IMO will continue to be so until we all start getting to old and senile to care. I think the big difference now than in the past is that this market is dominated by enthusiasts not investors. People that love these cars. I just can't see a significant %age of these people waking up one day and saying... Nah.....I'm not interested in these cars anymore ...I know I won't. IMO the market will be very viable for the next 7-10+ years. Just my .02 and 100% speculation.

Rick

[Belair62]

I plan on drooling and changing my diaper in one of mine so no one will want it anyway

[MrsBillyBobcat]

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In the end all that really matters are the memories of good times and good friends---

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AGREED!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif You just can't put a price on that! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[LVCamaro]

That...among 2-3 other reasons people avoid your for sale cars.
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[70Z]

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I just can't see a significant %age of these people waking up one day and saying... Nah.....I'm not interested in these cars anymore

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Rick I agree. I remember as a kid it was unthinkable to my parents and people their age that us kids would still be listening to Rock-n-Roll music when we became 40 or 50. It was something you would out grow was the thinking. Truth is, like rock-n-roll, once you've been bitten by the muscle car bug there's no turning back. I swear it's like drugs. A guy can go 25 years without a muscle car, but the craving never completely goes away. Everytime he see's one, he looks. He remember's. He wants.

It's this reasoning that makes me think your going to be seeing a lot of 60-70 year old guys driving '69 Chevelle's as we get older. And don't be surprised if you hear the Rolling Stones or even AC/DC playing when they drive by.

[Belair62]

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It's this reasoning that makes me think your going to be seeing a lot of 60-70 year old guys driving '69 Chevelle's as we get older. And don't be surprised if you hear the Rolling Stones or even AC/DC playing when they drive by.


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You know John P and I were laughing about this not long ago. I listen to the same music as when I was 14, still love muscle cars, looking at hot babes, eating good food and swearing. And I always will...I don't think my Dad did that...but I'll take my final nap still doing this stuff..Oh and Steve...my cars are legendary...when they leave my house they are always worth less than what I have in them !!! As long as your scrawny butt is around to fix them the world will be fine...kind of our own special yin and yang !!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[69hurstSC]

i'm on the diving board, and i'm coming in!!! as someone who is very young (28) in this hobby i see this in this in the immediate future.. you guys who were 18 in 1968 are somewheres around are 56ish, 57. 1968 was right before the apex of the musclecar boom. i would estimate your buying power will last well into your mid-sixties. the cars will become to fast for you and it will be time to sell. however, you will be selling to people of my generation which will not have enough consumers for the products being sold. i'm going to scoop up your Yenkos, Hemis, 442's, Judges, and BB Mustangs for pennys on the dollar. however, gas will be $20.00 a gallon and i will be to poor to drive them. of coarse i'm saying all of this tongue-in-cheek! you old geezers will still be flying around in your SuperCars and I wont get a chance to buy them until i'm in my late 50's. putting me very close to my geezer years. since i dont like tuner cars i will be driving around in my (soon to be purchased) 2001 Roush Mustang and wondering why i cant afford to drive my classic iron. seriously though, i feel buying power will be strong for the next 10 years and then muscle cars will fall victim to the Model A's and Tri-5 Chevys that sit in garages because there not whats in right now.

[69hurstSC]

wow, maybe i should proof read before i submit! (either that or put down the beverage!)

[Belair62]

Well...the only real geezer on the board that I am aware of is Steve Sandlin.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[hvychev]

Don't forget about that old buzzard Cumby. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[JoeG]

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I plan on drooling and changing my diaper in one of mine so no one will want it anyway

[/ QUOTE ]
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif-- AARP Condition----Matching numbers and Matching owner DNA car...

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Have you guys laid eyes on schoneye http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif He hasn't changed since 1968, (although I think he's leaning more towards Republican now http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif ) He will still be listening to CCR, cursin his shifter, and tryin to figure out which left foot to hit the clutch with - well into his '90's!

[PPPJJJFFF]

[ QUOTE ]
i'm on the diving board, and i'm coming in!!! as someone who is very young (28) in this hobby i see this in this in the immediate future.. you guys who were 18 in 1968 are somewheres around are 56ish, 57. 1968 was right before the apex of the musclecar boom. i would estimate your buying power will last well into your mid-sixties. the cars will become to fast for you and it will be time to sell. however, you will be selling to people of my generation which will not have enough consumers for the products being sold. i'm going to scoop up your Yenkos, Hemis, 442's, Judges, and BB Mustangs for pennys on the dollar. however, gas will be $20.00 a gallon and i will be to poor to drive them. of coarse i'm saying all of this tongue-in-cheek! you old geezers will still be flying around in your SuperCars and I wont get a chance to buy them until i'm in my late 50's. putting me very close to my geezer years. since i dont like tuner cars i will be driving around in my (soon to be purchased) 2001 Roush Mustang and wondering why i cant afford to drive my classic iron. seriously though, i feel buying power will be strong for the next 10 years and then muscle cars will fall victim to the Model A's and Tri-5 Chevys that sit in garages because there not whats in right now.

[/ QUOTE ]

Alot of these old geesers are old enough to be my father! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif And my son and daughter say they got dibs on my cars in 20 years. I better get back to work because I won't be retiring on muscle car money. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Patrick

[SamLBInj]

[ QUOTE ]
So are you telling all your customers that your cars are overpriced and they should not buy them.

The reason the average Z28 is 50K and up is because the rare stuff has pulled them up. If the markets take a stumble the average high production cars will fall the most and the rare stuff will be ok, IMO. Also people that can only afford the high production cars are not stupid all of the sudden, they probably realize that its stupid money to spend big bucks for a high production car just because of the market being pulled up by the rare stuff. In the end they still view it as average everybody has one car but at a high price.

[/ QUOTE ]
I think the reason cars like 69 Z/28's are selling for 50K is due to the shortage of decent ones. If you cant find a nice one then you have to find one that needs restoration and then your going to pay 25K for a car and dump 30-50K to get it back to nice condition so you over that 50K mark right off the bat. I think the prices will continue to go up and are being dictated by the cost of parts and restoration costs. One day someone will get smart and set up a sort of production line to save labor costs on restorations and also manufacture exact spec parts and sheet metal and hopefully sell it for half NOS prices, then, and only then will prices come down. Basically if you could find a beater for 10k and have it restored for 10k then you have a new 20K car. Then the others will drop due to supply and demand. I believe the safe market is the rare cars like the big block chevys and Hemis. As for Z/28's, hard to believe 50k on up for such a high production car.

[LexDawg]

So many of the original Z-28's were raced, wrecked, blown up and junked that the REAL cars are few and far between. I also believe the price of parts will continue to rise as the cost of labor to mfg. the parts rises. The reality is that 50k is not much money for a car. If you consider the folks buying can afford to buy what they like, why buy a new Vette, Mustang, etc. for 45-50k that will depreciate when you can have a nice muscle car that will appreciate for the forseeable future? Classic example; I bought a new SL 500 Mercedes in 1998 and paid about 80k. It sits in my garage with 53k miles. Its worth about 29k. Later I bought a numbers matching 69 Z-28 fully documented with REAL pop and 31,000 original documented miles. Needless to say I paid much less for the Z, and you don't have to guess that 29k would buy about 1/3 of it now. Needless to say I've bought my last new Benz. My wife on the other hand.....

[Mr70]

[ QUOTE ]
"One day someone will get smart and set up a sort of production line to save labor costs on restorations and also manufacture exact spec parts and sheet metal and hopefully sell it for half NOS prices, then, and only then will prices come down".

[/ QUOTE ]

Sam..that day is HERE (http://superchevy.com/technical/paint_body/bodies_panels/0506sc_cars/)

[PPPJJJFFF]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
So are you telling all your customers that your cars are overpriced and they should not buy them.


[/ QUOTE ] I think the reason cars like 69 Z/28's are selling for 50K is due to the shortage of decent ones. If you cant find a nice one then you have to find one that needs restoration and then your going to pay 25K for a car and dump 30-50K to get it back to nice condition so you over that 50K mark right off the bat. I think the prices will continue to go up and are being dictated by the cost of parts and restoration costs. One day someone will get smart and set up a sort of production line to save labor costs on restorations and also manufacture exact spec parts and sheet metal and hopefully sell it for half NOS prices, then, and only then will prices come down. Basically if you could find a beater for 10k and have it restored for 10k then you have a new 20K car. Then the others will drop due to supply and demand. I believe the safe market is the rare cars like the big block chevys and Hemis. As for Z/28's, hard to believe 50k on up for such a high production car.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree! I think the 69Zs are cool cars, but because of there production #'s the up-side is limited. I think you'll see the 70 through 73 camaros start to make a move (like that hasn't already start to happen)and the Boss 302s and 383 Mopars and cars like that get bumped up some. 50K can still buy alot of car. Just not any kind of Super Car unless you get lucky. JMHO.
Patrick

[Canucklehead]

I find that these collectors that are sitting on rare muscle are now cosidering selling these cars that they thought they never would considering the market is so high. On the other side of the coin you have these baby boomers making a bunch of coin and there sitting waiting for these cars to hit the market, and when they do their ready with their checkbook and don't care what they have to pay becouse they know if it sells they may never get an oppertunity to get it again. Then those guys will sit on it and think the same thing that they will never sell, they're making money in whatever they do so they don't care what happens to the market becouse they're enthusiests not investors, they're just happy to have it. If the surge never comes around again, the family will keep that old thing becouse it was grandpas pride and joy and it's a piece of the family, it's worth more to them then anybody else. Old muscle never dies it just gets inherited!!

[Schonyenko2]

On behalf of my good friend Mr. Cumby, and myself, we resemble that.

[ORIGLS6]

Yeah, I've said this a few times lately; "I'm too damned stupid to sell anything". I'll die a pauper and my kids will retire after "the sale"! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Oh well, we're still havin' fun, eh Schonye? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[sYc]

[ QUOTE ]
On behalf of my good friend Mr. Cumby, and myself, we resemble that.

[/ QUOTE ]

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[amuseme]

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Yeah, I've said this a few times lately; "I'm too damned stupid to sell anything". I'll die a pauper and my kids will retire after "the sale"! :crazy

[/ QUOTE ] I can vouch for that! Heard it this week! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[firstgenaddict]

The worst time to get in on any "investment" is when people who know nothing about what they are investing in are touting the praises of said investment.
Just like my stock broker told me... "The time to get out of an investement is when every where you go you hear someone talking about how much money they are going to make on this or that" and the time to get is "When every where you go everyone is bitching about taking a beating and saying they are not going to put their money in this or that ever again"
BUT I will reiterate what has already been said... the people who know what they are buying are not going to be hurt IMO... it will be the people who are blindly buying mediocre (and I use this term loosely) "restored" cars with "matching numbers" that will take the biggest beating. I have had people who know nothing about muscle cars call me and say I found so and so and it is priced 10k less than what I am seeing on ebay or where ever. Then I look at the car and it is the wrong color, everything under the hood is painted black, it is missing the smog, not the right carb... and the list goes on...
What they fail to realize is that if you don't know what you are looking at then you had better find someone who does and you are better off paying 20k more and buying a known car with verifiable history and everything correct.

Muscle cars are like art you don't buy them as an investment you buy them because you like them, if they make you money that is just icing on the cake.

Cameron says to Ferris:
"He values this car more than life itself, he polishes it with a baby diaper."
Ferris Bueller:
"A man with priorities so far out of whack does not deserve such a fine automobile."

[joe1148]

Hi there Linda, Is the Duce Sold yet?

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
Cameron says to Ferris:
"He values this car more than life itself, he polishes it with a baby diaper."
Ferris Bueller:
"A man with priorities so far out of whack does not deserve such a fine automobile."

[/ QUOTE ]

It was on Encore last night. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

"So that's how it is in their family" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[firstgenaddict]

"Do you have a kiss for Da-deee"

I don't trust that Ferris Bueller any farther than I can throw him.

With your bad knee Ed, you shouldn't be throwing anyone.

Just produce a corpse... that's right just roll her old bones down here...

Ed... Ferris Bueller is on line 2.

Uhhh Uhhhh Uhhhh Mr Peterson let me appologize... I am sorry.
I should say you are.... pardon my french but you're and a$$hole.

[DarrenX33]

Ferris Bueller Facts (http://www.riverblue.com/hughes/trivia3.html)

[budnate]

is this rascal in a new garage yet.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[scott s]

Thats wierd i bought my deuce from a guy who has his own excavation business and when i went to pick it up guess what was parked beside it......Yup a montecarlo ss..

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[Roof]

Don't know if anyone is still reading this or not but will add an update anyway. First let me address the missing stripes. Earl wanted to have the car repainted because it had a few paint chips in it. If we are remembering correctly we did contact the Yenko dealership to get a stripe kit but were told there weren't any available at the time. They did send us large door decals (about 2'x1') with what Marlin says are the Yenko crests. They sent three of them and we still have them. Just didn't like the idea of them on the door. I checked with JW Nova several years after that because I thought about buying a set for Earl for Christmas one year. They were out of my price range at the time. It really wasn't that big of a deal to us. Earl and Doug took the Lakewood bellhousing out of the car yesterday and put the original one back in. Earl told me last night and I quote, "The underside is still rock solid." http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I was really glad to hear that in case we decide in the end to just get the car on the road and enjoy it again. Will know more this weekend. Marlin, a curiosity question, do you know how many of the remaining Deuces were sold at the Canonsburg dealership? Linda

[Schonyenko2]

I have no doubt that you had some issues about the stripes. I also had a small stripe related issue, and had about the same response.

[Charley Lillard]

[ QUOTE ]
They did send us large door decals (about 2'x1')

[/ QUOTE ]

Can I have em ? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif Can I buy em ? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

The 85 deuces that remain belong to a wide variety of dealers, I will list them below in descending qty:

Yenko, PA = 6
Grossman,MN = 5
Colonial,VA = 5
Tamson,VA = 4
Wallace,NJ = 4
Central,OH = 3
Fencl Tufo,IL = 3
Loehman,CT = 3
Leman,IL = 3
Thorstad,WI = 3
Scuncio,RI = 3
Peck,AR = 3
Bresee,NY = 3
Dale,WI = 3
Rapids,IA = 2
Minneman,OH = 2
Nankivell,IN = 2
Konners,OH = 2
Marshall,PA = 2
Kidder,IA = 2
Auston,CT = 2
Watson,MI = 2
Stocker,PA = 2
Robert,NY = 2
Glockner,OH = 1
Scher,MA = 1
V.V.Cooke,KY = 1
Wolfe,IL = 1
Broadway,WI = 1
Smith,PA = 1
Mancuso,IL = 1
Branine,KS = 1
Eriksen,IL = 1
Londoff,MO = 1
Riley,MO = 1
H&amp;H,NE = 1
Bill Heard,GA = 1
M.Konners,NJ = 1


There are 11 cars totalled out:
Riley,MO = 2
Tamson,VA = 2
Fencl Tufo,IL = 1
Marshall,PA = 1
Kidder,IA = 1
Yenko,PA = 1
Bresee,NY = 1
Stocker,PA = 1
Londoff,MO = 1

[camarojoe]

Good info M. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Thanks http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
The totalled one from Yenko was/is the C.Silver, 4sp w/ p/s Spencer DEMO car. He reportedly had a stroke while driving it, and put it into a bridge abuttment. That car is still titled under Yenko Leasing to this day. Spencer's next DEMO car was a G.Beige, 4sp w/ p/s that survived - it's now painted black with some silver stripes painted on, if you know what I mean http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[camarojoe]

Marlin, how do you positively know every dealership every Yenko Deuce came from? Are some of those "educated guesses"?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

No, those 85 are known.

[Roof]

Thanks for the info Marlin, was just curious. Were any of these sold to women? I guess you wouldn't have any way of knowing for sure because even though I bought my Cadillac it still has Earl's name first on the title. I have to leave for work in a minute but wanted to give you a little more info. Earl said that when he took the pressure plate off the deuce he was able to turn the motor over without any trouble at all so at least we know it's not frozen up. He's down in the garage now putting new valve stems in the tires so he can get them on the rims and then on the car. Would really rather not have to go to work this evening!!! Especially since it's Valentine's Day!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif You guys out there with wives or girlfriends make sure you tell them how special they are to you, life is short and you never know if you might not get another chance!!! Linda

[Schonyenko2]

I thought that Peck only showed 2 deuces. A blue auto, and my red 4spd. The ad from that time only lists those 2. Or are you including the possible silver one that may have dealer transfered in that was ordered with the scoop?

[Mr70]

Marlin
Are you counting those Canada bound LT-1 Novas in that list?

[camarojoe]

The 2 Canada LT-1 cars were not Yenko Deuces. Seeing that there are no Canadian dealers listed in Marlin's post, i think thats an obvious no.

[Mr70]

Lighten Up Brandon.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Schoneye, I'm still showing Jensen's deuce as a Peck car - I'll call you to get the details about it's Dale chev connection. I was not including the silver one that was dealer x'fer'd from Peck to Londoff - and then wrecked.

Rick, I am not counting the Canadian cars, I have them in the registry - but have formulas that exclude them from the statistics.

[camarojoe]

Sorry Dickie.

[Chevy454]

Count to 10 fellas, we're talking Deuces here...

Man oh man, them Missouri folks sure were hard on their Deuces...3 outta the 5 totalled! Reckon they shoulda stuck to drivin' their team of mules... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Them MO folks had a hankerin to either make 'em dirt track cars or roll them over in the side ditch - that's rolled as in; end over end, not sideways http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif There's even a deuce or two from other states that ended up in MO - never to be heard from again. A flood in Alabama doesn't kill a deuce, but a MO driver sure can!

[camarojoe]

My Deuce was one of those out of state cars that ended up in MO... from the sound of it, I'm glad it was only there for a short time. It got outta the state before anyone got any ideas to roll it over, dirt track it, or lose it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

It came close to gettin back into MO at SCR7 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Chevy454]

Ha! That's right! Don't let that maybe cross the river, or it's all over but the cryin'! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

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[SS427]

[ QUOTE ]
Them MO folks had a hankerin to roll them over in the side ditch - that's rolled as in; end over end, not sideways

[/ QUOTE ]

If anyone has ever driven on some of the county roads at least in northern MO one can appreciate why that was common place. There is NO margin for error when driving those roads and they do NOT believe in shoulders on ravines! Scary! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Rick

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]
Them MO folks had a hankerin to either make 'em dirt track cars or roll them over in the side ditch - that's rolled as in; end over end, not sideways http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif There's even a deuce or two from other states that ended up in MO - never to be heard from again. A flood in Alabama doesn't kill a deuce, but a MO driver sure can!

[/ QUOTE ]


Marlin, that's too funny! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[camarojoe]

After following this thread for the better part of 3 weeks, I e mailed Linda and asked if she'd mind if my brother and I came out to see the car. I explained that neither of us were potential buyers, and would completely understand if they didn't want bothered with us coming around on their day off, but she told me that was not to be of any concern, and stated that they would be happy to have us visit and take a look at their car. She and her husband Earl are both nice folks, and a pleasure to talk to. The car is a very cool piece, and looks alot better in person than in any pics I've seen or have taken. While it does need a complete resto, Its one of the better unrestored cars I've seen to date, and is very complete. I don't know what the car is "worth", and I'm not even gonna enter into that debate, but it was definitely neat to see a real Yenko car that prowled my area "back in the day". It was also cool to be able to talk to the original owners of a car I have so much interest in. Both had some great stories to tell and were more than happy to let us pick their brains about details of the car, and the history of it from day 1 to present. I sincerely hope this Deuce finds a good home someday, and once again wish to thank Earl and Linda Roof for their hospitality.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Bill Pritchard]

Great story, Joe. It sure seemed from her postings here that Linda was a genuinely nice lady...cool that you got to confirm that in person http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I hope that they are able to somehow keep the car and get it back out and enjoy it. It was pretty obvious that they had a lot of great memories involving that Deuce http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Supercar_Kid]

[ QUOTE ]
I sincerely hope this Deuce finds a good home someday, and once again wish to thank Earl and Linda Roof for their hospitality.

[/ QUOTE ] I just wanted to second that notion. Linda and Earl couldn't have been nicer folks, taking time out of their Saturday afternoon to chat with us at length about the car, their trip to Yenko to pick it out, and the good old days in general.

I found it especially interesting that Earl got the idea to go to Yenko to look at the Deuces from a high school acquantance he'd picked up hitchiking one day. Earl explained to the schoolmate he was considering a new Chevy Super Sport...and the fateful hitchiker mentioned he had some literature from Yenko that he'd pass along to Earl when dropped him home. Earl looked it over and he and Linda took a trip to Canonsburg...you know the rest. 35 years later it's still out in the garage. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Linda and Earl, if you're reading this, thanks again for being such gracious hosts.

[Roof]

Hi Bill, Thanks for the compliment, http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif I appreciate it! It was really great having these folks visit. We had a great time chatting about these cars and exchanging information. There was a time when we thought we would NEVER part with this car. I used to tell Earl that if he died before me I would just take the backhoe out on the farm, dig a big hole, set him in the driver's seat of the Deuce, slick his hair back, put one hand on the wheel, the other hand on the shifter and just drop them both in!!! Just goes to show you should never say never. Linda

[Roof]

Hi folks, After investigating a few of our other options, we have finally made a decision. The car is defininitely for sale as is. We aren't sure yet how we are going to go about selling it. We have been a little preoccupied for the last month. My 56 year old brother went into the hospital for a simple operation to open a blocked tear duct and had a massive stroke following the surgery. His condition is still critical but he is starting to show some small signs of improvement. We have had some tough decisions to make concerning quantitity versus quality of life for him. Would appreciate you keeping him in your prayers. Thanks, Linda and Earl

[jackal]

good luck and hope he recovers soon thanks jp

[Roof]

Thanks jp