***WARNING*** 69 RS Z/28 on Ebay

[Hylton]

Guys,

Just a heads up in case some of you might be considering the purchase of the car below:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-1969-z28-rally-sport-camaro-29-027-actual-miles_W0QQitemZ4613085140QQcategoryZ6161QQtcZphoto QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Although I can vouch that this car is a true RS Z/28 that originally came with the options shown, the car does not have 29,000 original miles. I personally looked this car over about 4 years ago and there were signs of major body work which was of poor quality. At the time I looked at it, the car had a big block and there was no sign of ANY of the original drivetrain. It had incorrect interior which was in poor condition.

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[Salvatore]

The price is up to 66,000 with no numbers being shown? Non X code car? Flat hood, short spoiler? Has the 7000 rpm tach. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Hylton]

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The price is up to 66,000 with no numbers being shown?

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Things that make you go Mmmmmmm.....

[SuperNovaSS]

How can you be sure this is the same car. That is a bold statement.


Jason

[Bill Pritchard]

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How can you be sure this is the same car

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Just a guess here, but....since he looked the car over personally several years ago, perhaps he wrote down the VIN and kept it http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[427TJ]

CAUTION-FAN

[Hylton]

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How can you be sure this is the same car. That is a bold statement.


Jason

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Give me a break! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[SuperNovaSS]

Give you a break? A simple answer would be nice. I have seen people talk trash about a car before and it has turned out to be a different car entirely. Was my question out of line?

Jason

[Hylton]

Jason,

You think I would be stupid enough to make such a statement without having info that would stand up in court? If the Admins thought I had no credibility, this thread would have been gone by now.

Just amazing - you put out a message in the hopes that you can prevent fellow hobbyists from getting scammed and someone calls you out. How about calling the seller out? Ever think that selling something with such low mileage with NO supporting documentation from previous owners or pics of numbers is "a bold statement"?

I guess this comes back to the debate we have been having on this site for the past year - who should we be protecting, the buyer, or the seller? I know where you stand Jason.....

[Charley Lillard]

Hylton....Calm down...He had a valid question. If someone makes a statement we need to try and include info to back up the statement.

[SuperNovaSS]

I like to protect the victim. The seller can sometimes be the victim too. I hope there are no hard feelings, sometimes typed words can come across as synical or sarcastic. If that is how my words came across I appologize. This was not my intent. There was a post not too long ago about the jet boat with an LS6 in it. I immediately believed the buyer got scammed and it turned out that was not the case, as he had scammed many people as a seller in the past. I just like to cover all my bases before forming an opinion.


Jason

[wdjwdj]

<font color="blue"> </font> sir we have an inspection report from american classix of bolivar missouri that states NUMBERS MATCHING ENGINE AND TRANS THAT ORIGINALLY CAME IN CAR. THE INSPECTION ALSO STATES BODY STRAIGHT, RUST NONE ALL PANELS ORIGINAL, SIGNS OF BONDO NONE COLLISION DAMAGE NONE, DOORS FIT EXCELLENT, NO RUST ON UNDER CARRIAGE,IT WAS RATED CLASS ONE---EXCELLANT. I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK YOU LOOKED AT A DIFFERENT CAR SIR. THE CAR IS IN EXCELLANT CONDITION. IF YOU HAVE ANYOTHER PROBLEM OR CONCERNS ABOUT MY CAR PLEASE CONTACT ME AND I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE THANKS JIMMY

[Hylton]

I am sorry for my short fuse Jason and apologize. I am just constantly seeing this kind of stuff and it has really gotten out of hand. To make matters worse, people just sit back and let it happen. Not my problem so not getting involved seems to be the theme these days.

[wdjwdj]

<font color="black"> </font> THANKS JASON FOR TRYING TO DEFEND US I HAVE PROVIDED HYLTON WITH INSPECTION REPORT STATEMENTS FROM THE AMERICAN CLASSIX OF BOLIVAR THAT STATES THE ENGINE AND TRANS NUMBERS MATCH THE ORINGAL NUMBERS. THNAKS AGAIN JIMMY

[Hylton]

Jimmy,

Glad you have posted. I do not know who inspected the car or how much experience they have with 1969 Camaros but I can tell you that if this car is VIN number 124379N545561 then I have in fact personally inspected the car BEFORE it was restored. At that time, it had shoddy body work and did not have the original drivetrain in it. Nonetheless, the person who I was with bought this very car. He had been trying to sell it for quite a while in Toronto and finally sold it to a restorer.

In addition, this car was sold on Ebay a little more than a year ago by the person that restored the car. I will be more than happy to forward you the name and phone number of one of the past owners. How can you make the claim that the car has only 29,000 original miles? Do you have written statements from past owners? The individual who sold it last year on Ebay did not make that claim.

[Salvatore]

Just because a car is inspected doesn't mean that everything is correct. Anything that is restamped can mean numbers matching. The buyer can always call Jerry MacNeish to look at it and verify the car. Hylton just made a statement buyer beware, check it out. If I was buying the car and I knew someone on this site new something about it, I would want them to share, Wouldn't you? If everything checks out then great! Car looks very nice to me but I am viewing it from the computer.

[Charley Lillard]

It would have been more clear if Hylton's initial post had been more like .... " If this car is VIN number 124379N545561 then I have in fact personally inspected the car BEFORE it was restored. At that time, it had shoddy body work and did not have the original drivetrain in it. Nonetheless, the person who I was with bought this very car."

[Salvatore]

Charlie, Your friend bought the car? How does it look? It is close to my VIN 547891.

[Hylton]

Funny how Jimmy did not respond to my last post even though he read it. On the contrary, he has not sent me anything. Sam will be posting the GM docs for this car which I received from one of the owners about 5 years ago.

Jimmy, I have just found out that you had in fact, talked to the person who owned the car when it had a big block. You know very well that the car does not have 29,000 original miles on it and the originality of the car is suspect.

So now I am asking you to end the auction RIGHT NOW or update your auction accordingly. Be honest about the car. If you do not by tonight, I will be emailing all high bidders with the name and phone number of the previous owner. He will be making a statement on this thread in a short while.

Nothing wrong with saying that it is a restored car. It is after all a real RS Z/28 with a very very rare color/option combo. The Camaro world is small and like I have said in the past, cars always have a history!

[Denis]

American Classix is Alan Stanton. He has a nice website: www.americanclassix.net (http://www.americanclassix.net).

There's no mention on the website about expertise authenticating Camaros but he has several classic and musclecars listed for sale.

He has a nice 68 Camaro for sale. Here are a couple of pics of that car's "numbers". I'll let you make your own conclusions as to integrity and/or restoration skills:

http://www.americanclassix.net/carpics/429_1968ChevroletCamaro/Engine/68Cam%20eng%206.jpg

http://www.americanclassix.net/carpics/429_1968ChevroletCamaro/Engine/68Cam%20eng%205.jpg

I'm with Hylton on this one: "Bullsh!t".

[Denis]

Time to haul out the dancing banana:

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[Salvatore]

Hey Denis, I see what you mean. There is something fishy about this car. HMM http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif I think I got it....No fan caution sticker. Thats it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[ZL1#17]

MY HAT OFF TO HYLTON, I THINK WE SHOULD ALL APPLAUD HIS CONCERN FOR FELLOW HOBBYIST'S, THERE SHOULD BE MORE PEOPLE LIKE HIM.
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[Salvatore]

DITTO http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Bigblockhappy]

As a previous owner of that car(Nov 02 to April 04) I can say that there was a big block in it while I owned the car and that the original block to the car was definitely nowhere to be found . So it is very surprising that the numbers now are matching.As to the "29 000 original miles" the odometer showed 28 545 miles when I bought it but judging by the condition of the car I would have been more inclined to think that it was the second turn around for the odometer. So nobody knows for sure if it is one way or the other. Yes, my car's v.i.n. was 124379N545561.
Hopefully this helps.

[Hylton]

I am happy to report that the last few bidders have retracted their bids and the bid now stands at 62,000 from 70,000 a few hours ago. I am still asking Jimmy to be a man and end the auction or replace it with a more honest description of the car.

[JoeG]

Like restored car....????

[Hylton]

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Like restored car....????

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Yes. Along with a more accurate mileage description and the fact that this may not necessarily be the original drivetrain. Heck when I looked at it, there was a 10 bolt under it. Auction sounds like it has been sitting in someone's garage unmolested for 35 years.

[70Z28RS5151]

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American Classix is Alan Stanton. He has a nice website: www.americanclassix.net (http://www.americanclassix.net).

There's no mention on the website about expertise authenticating Camaros but he has several classic and musclecars listed for sale.

He has a nice 68 Camaro for sale. Here are a couple of pics of that car's "numbers". I'll let you make your own conclusions as to integrity and/or restoration skills:

http://www.americanclassix.net/carpics/429_1968ChevroletCamaro/Engine/68Cam%20eng%206.jpg

http://www.americanclassix.net/carpics/429_1968ChevroletCamaro/Engine/68Cam%20eng%205.jpg

I'm with Hylton on this one: "Bullsh!t".

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Where are the broach markings? Do I see remnants of a decked block? Why aren't the numbers consistant with GM stampings as far as straightness?
Hell... What do I know??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[kwhizz]

HMMM!!!!!..Rivet!!!!!Rivet!!!!!!!

Ken

[Denis]

I am Bubbles

[Lynn]

I would sure like to see and hear how this car was reunited with its original engine AND transmission. Someone found two needles in the haystack, or maybe they were in separate haystacks.

Can't believe the hack job on that 68. Those Ace Hardware rivets are a scream. And the restamped engine!! Pretty bad.

Thanks to Hylton for having the stones to come forward with this info, and thanks to the previous owner for posting.

Jimmy: You may be an honest guy that has simply been mislead by others. Obviously Hylton does not think so, and he is certainly entitled to that opinion. A word to the wise here. A lot of guys think they can intentionally misrepresent original miles on a car if it is over 10 years old. Not saying you are intentionally doing so, but sure looks like you have a good reason to investigate further. Just because the federal odometer disclosure law does not apply to cars over 10 years old, doesn't mean that common law fraud does not apply. Just ask that St. Louis classic car dealer. They were sued (successfully) for fraud on a misrepresented classic with a rolled back odometer.

Food for thought.

Lynn

[BBIGG BLOCK 396]

Well guys I am the culprit that thought the BUYER of the BOAT with the LS6 Was getting dumped on and made a comment like pay the seller a visit! Break his leg! ETC .I sure was wrong about those statements! so from now on I am going to be VERY careful what I say.But this thread sure makes you stop and think about this car!! especially with all the GOOD information HYLTON brought forward.

Bobby Dodson

[RamAirDave]

Im guessing by now that Jimmy isnt going to respond any more. Thats fine, none of this really matters to me at all, but interesting reading.

The part of the ad that jumped out to me was the $90K appraisal. I know that anyone can put any number on a car's value, but to put that number on that car (even without knowing the info presented in this thread) with a straight face is beyond me. Just how it goes these days, I guess.

dave

[Rick Cell]

Is this car sold new in Canada with GM of Canada docs? I owned the twin to this car other than the power windows back in 1971. Bought it from a banker that was transfered from Vancouver to Toronto. Sold it in about 1974 for 3000.00 to a guy from Dunville Ontario. Car was stunning with that color combo.

[PPPJJJFFF]

Nice job Hylton! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Bigblockhappy]

Yes Rick , car was sold new in Montreal area and has Canadian documentation. When I bought it in 2002 it had a 10 bolt rear in it, M20 trans out of a 73 car, big block.Seller told me all floors had been replaced including trunk pan, 2 half quarters. There was not much left of original parts on the car. It's an extremely rare option combo though, rs/z28,power windows, deluxe blue int.

[PeteLeathersac]

Great job busting another couple of obvious dupe jobs but what amazes me is how these crooksters often seem to show up w/ comments HERE....the most scary being the outright scammer a couple weeks ago who versed his text like he was from abroad? . The concern I have is how we are educating these guys on what's wrong w/ broaches, stampings, tag alpha numerics etc. and they're just going to do a better job next time? . I have no solution, just concern. ~ Pete

[mrrec]

This thread is EXACTLY what needs to happen with suspect cars. I have no problems with clones. I have major problems with fakes and fraud. These guys need to understand they can and will get sued. What they do is illegal and immoral. Great job, Hylton!
Dave

[Xplantdad]

When are these people going to learn that with the invention of the internet (Thanks Al Gore http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif) that the world has become an infinitely smaller place, and that there's TREMENDOUS knowledge about cars and their previous owners. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[supratt]

I was partnered with an active bidder on that Z28 on ebay. We had spoken to the seller and the owner of American Classix as the "appraiser" of the vehicle. Both parties had stellar things to say of the quality, but in fairness to the appraiser--he did say the only issue with the car, was the large gaps between the doors of the fenders and rear quarters, but other than that the car was real stand up. So I guess even when you contact an outside party to look at the car, your own eyes are truly the real judge.

[Hylton]

Thanks for all the kind compliments guys. I truly appreciate it. Thanks for commenting Louis. Some of you may remember my work with Al McKenzie (Team Chevelle &amp; Team Camaro Admin) 2 years ago busting Frank Cummings who set up a website called Partzsurplus and then last year busting scammer Christopher Justin who was selling non-existing cars. There is no way I could have done it without the help of the hobby community.

So many guys gave me information I needed to present a case to the FBI which was strong enough for them to look at the issue. Try getting the FBI involved in something that isn't terrorist or drug related and see what happens - *insert cricket sounds here*.

My point is that collectively, we can put a stop to fraudulent activity but we ALL need to be willing to get involved.

[wdjwdj]

when we bought the car there was no big block in it and the person we bought from told us the miles were 29,000. we have the ontario used vehicle info package and it only list 2 people and neither is the person you mentioned. thanks jimmy

[Salvatore]

Well Jimmy, Looks like you are getting a world of knowledge from this site. I would be sending a donation if I were you, and thanking Hylton for his help. Keeps everybody on the up and up! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Thomas]

Rick,
I looked at a LeMans Blue Rs/Z28 in Dunville about 5 years ago. It had been parked for years and was running a 327. The car was bought by someone else and is now a Cortez Silver with blue interior RS COPO. It was in great shape. The original RS COPO was a race car from day one. It's a shame that this rare Z28 was used to affix a set of COPO tags to.

Thomas

1969 Camaro SS, L78, M22, 4.10 posi, Radio Delete
2000 Camaro SS Convertible

[Bill Pritchard]

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The car was bought by someone else and is now a Cortez Silver with blue interior RS COPO.

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Oh boy, pull up a comfy chair, this is gonna get interesting http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[wdjwdj]

sir i would like it if you contacted us because we have the dmv listing of all previous owners and theres only been 2 before us. we have only stated what we were told and what inspections of the car has showed us. thanks jimmy

[Mr70]

Hylton
I do remember the Frank Cummings Caper on Team Chevelle. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[supratt]

I would like to know if the seller still insists that this car has the original numbers matching drivetrain?

[wdjwdj]

to the best of my knowlege the car is all matching #'s they have been inspected and all #'s do match at this time what was done with the previous 2 owners i'm unaware. the previous owner stated to us it was all oringal sheet metal except for 1 quarter panel. thanks jimmy

[Charley Lillard]

Can you post a pic of the engine pad stamping ?

[kwhizz]

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American Classix is Alan Stanton. He has a nice website: www.americanclassix.net (http://www.americanclassix.net).

There's no mention on the website about expertise authenticating Camaros but he has several classic and musclecars listed for sale.

He has a nice 68 Camaro for sale. Here are a couple of pics of that car's "numbers". I'll let you make your own conclusions as to integrity and/or restoration skills:

http://www.americanclassix.net/carpics/429_1968ChevroletCamaro/Engine/68Cam%20eng%206.jpg

http://www.americanclassix.net/carpics/429_1968ChevroletCamaro/Engine/68Cam%20eng%205.jpg

I'm with Hylton on this one: "Bullsh!t".

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Where are the broach markings? Do I see remnants of a decked block? Why aren't the numbers consistant with GM stampings as far as straightness?
Hell... What do I know??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

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Here you go Charley.....

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[kwhizz]

Yawn!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif

[Hylton]

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what was done with the previous 2 owners i'm unaware.

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So how can you be so sure of your claim?

First off - Canada is a big place. The UVIP (used vehicle information package) you received for the car pertains to owners of the vehicle who lived in the Province of Ontario ONLY! It has nothing to do with anyone who owned the car in other provinces. Of the two owners you identify, the first one has come forward on this site and described quite accurately the condition of the car when he owned it. Are you calling him a liar? He had purchased the car from the Province of Quebec in 2002. The car could have had 10 owners in the province of Quebec from the years 1969 to 2002 when it moved to Ontario.

Your reasoning whould be akin to someone in New York State doing a search on a car at the NY DMV and saying the car only had 2 owners because that is what the NY DMV indicated. Who is to say the car did not spend time in NJ, Philly or Delaware?

One issue at a time! Let's deal with the COPO later.....

[Hylton]

This is not of that car:



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American Classix is Alan Stanton. He has a nice website: www.americanclassix.net (http://www.americanclassix.net).

There's no mention on the website about expertise authenticating Camaros but he has several classic and musclecars listed for sale.

He has a nice 68 Camaro for sale. Here are a couple of pics of that car's "numbers". I'll let you make your own conclusions as to integrity and/or restoration skills:

http://www.americanclassix.net/carpics/429_1968ChevroletCamaro/Engine/68Cam%20eng%206.jpg

http://www.americanclassix.net/carpics/429_1968ChevroletCamaro/Engine/68Cam%20eng%205.jpg

I'm with Hylton on this one: "Bullsh!t".

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Where are the broach markings? Do I see remnants of a decked block? Why aren't the numbers consistant with GM stampings as far as straightness?
Hell... What do I know??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

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Here you go Charley.....

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

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[Lynn]

Ken: I think Charley is wanting Jimmy to post a pic of the engine stamping from the car in question. The one you posted is not from this car, but just an example of American Classix work.

I would like to see a pic as well.

Lynn

[astanton]

Gentelmen, I did not have any intentions of misleading anyone and resent those of you that have made that assurtion. For me this is an instance of no good dead goes unpunished. The appraisal I did was never suppose to be used to sell the car i.e. as a market value appraisal. I wasvery frustrated when I was told it was mentioned in the ebay ad. If the car is not numbers matching I had no idea. As far as the 68 Camaro on my website goes, the car was purchased the way you see it. Once again I had no intention of misleading anyone and was unaware of any problems with the block numbers and trim tag until they where mentioned here. Please don't jump to conclusions regarding my personal integrity. If anyone would like to contact me I can be reached at 417-327-2582 to discuss this further.

[Hylton]

Alan,

If what Jimmy says is true regarding the irregular panel alignment as well as seeing the underside of the car completely painted black, how can you appraise this car as a number 1 condition car?

How can you value it as 90,000 dollars when you have not even done any reasearch or made any attempt to contact previous owners? Did you just take Jimmy's word for it that it was an original numbers matching 29,000 mile car? What sort of due diligence do you do when writting up an appraisal? After all, he did have the UVIP which showed the 2 past owners and you could have at least called them up to verify the accuracy of his claim.

[Stuart Adams]

I find your post absolutely ridiculous. It's things like this that leave an unsuspecting buyer with crappy goods.

I don't believe you for 1 second. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[astanton]

Hylton,

Let me start by saying I am not an appraiser by profession. I live in a small town and am routinely ask to provide owners and insurance companies with valuations. I am very clear that it is my opinion and that in many cases the insurance value and market value my differ greatly.

Yesterday I recieved a call from a bidder on this car who wanted my to ask me some questions. After explaining to him the confusion on the appraisal and giving him my opinion of what the car was really worth he had some questions. Because it had been sometime since I had done the appraisal I volunteered to drive 30 minutes to take a look at the car before answering his questions. I informed him of the panel alignment issue and the fact that the drivers side rear quarter seemed to have been replaced at some time. I was also concerned regarding what appeared to be the remanents of an antenna hole on the right rear quarter panel.

I just pulled up the appraisal and reviewed it. I could not find anywhere on the appraisal where I state that the miles are original or otherwise. Additionally I did not state anywhere that the body etc. retained all of the original GM panels.

As far as the numbers go I based my opinion on viewing the numbers. Once again, this appraisal was never meant by me to be used as a marketing tool.

Also, you can bet this will never happen again. I am officailly out of the appraisal business.

[RSCOPO]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHAT A BUNCH OF GIRLS.THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK..............

[astanton]

Stuart,

You might find it helpful to know that I was not paid for that appraisal and will in no way benefit from the sale of this car.

In a way you are correct. I was to trusting. I won't ever let this happen again.

[Stuart Adams]

Good man.

[Hylton]

Alan,

Thanks for clearing up your position. Very honest.

[Lynn]

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As far as the 68 Camaro on my website goes, the car was purchased the way you see it. Once again I had no intention of misleading anyone and was unaware of any problems with the block numbers and trim tag until they where mentioned here. Please don't jump to conclusions regarding my personal integrity.

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Hi Alan:

You may very well be a stand up guy. There have been some harsh words here. Don't mean to be piling on, but what concerns me is that you are holding yourself out as some kind of expert on classic muscle. I have to say I am bothered by the above quote. Again, I don't mean to be harsh, but most everyone, even those with just a rudimentary understanding of engine stampings, would recognize the problems with that one.

Glad to hear you are out of the appraisal "business", which obviously wasn't much of a business for you if you were not getting paid for it

As for the engine stamping on the LeMans Blue car on ebay, I would sure like to see a pic.

What about it Jimmy?

Hope others take a lesson from this.

Lynn

[Bill Pritchard]

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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHAT A BUNCH OF GIRLS.THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK..............

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Thanks for your contribution, what a nice way of introducing yourself to this Website via your first post.

[Jeff H]

This car is like a lot of cars being marketed by Sgt Schultz.

"I know nothing!"

http://cmoore.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/sgtschultz.jpg

[jfkheat]

Jimmy,
What I don't understand is why, after all this, you added info to the auction stating that is is matching numbers. The following was added to the auction yesterday.
James

THIS IS THE REAL DEAL WITH MATCHING NUMBERS EARLY 302 4-BOLT DZ BLOCK GM#3932386, 7 BLADE PROPERLY RIVETED NON STAMPED FAN, Z-28 TIMING COVER TO ACCOMMODATE BALANCER, Z-28 202 DOUBLE HUMP HEADS GM 3927186, GM Z-28 FINNED ALUMINIUM VALVE DRIPPERS, 4053 DZ REPLACEMENT HOLLEY CARB, Z 28 ALUMINIUM INTAKE GM 3932472, ALUMINIUM HOUSING GM 3877660, DEEP GROOVE PULLEYS, Z 28 BELL HOUSING GM 3858403, Z 28 FLYWHEEL GM 3791021, Z 28 DISTRIBUTOR GM 1111480, Z 28 ALTERNATOR D 1100837, 12 BOLT WITH 4:10 RATIO POSI, Z 28 DASH TACH ORANGE LINE STARTS AT 5700 RPM AND RED LINES at 7000,UH SHORT STYLE Z 28 RADTATOR, DELUXE INTERIOR, POWER WINDOWS AND RS HEADLAMPS.

COWL TAG ST 69 12437 NOR 111070

TR 716 71 71 PNT

11C

[PeteLeathersac]

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This car is like a lot of cars being marketed by Sgt Schultz.

"I know nothing!"

30 days in the cooler for the crooksters....and a date w/ Bulkarter's sister when they get out! . And Hylton....you get a round w/ Helga for all your good work! ~ Pete

http://cmoore.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/sgtschultz.jpg

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[agtw31]

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to the best of my knowledge

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this is the standard answer whenever a scumbag car pumper is caught in a lie.

after reading this topic,the bottom line is the seller of this car and this wannabe fake appraiser are both frauds,and should be put on a list of people to stay away from..

[astanton]

Lynn,

You are correct. I unfortunaley have not paid enough attention to the numbers on this car. This car was purchased by my partner in December at an auction. He had seen it at a previous auction and really liked it. I had not really reviewed the car before he bought it because at the previous auction it bid more than either of us would have considered bidding. After it was purchased we loaded it up and brought it home. Usually, it would have been run through the shop and a desription written. Unfortunatley, I am way behind so in this case I took some quick pictures of it and put it on my web page which desprately needed some cars.

So, the mistake made by me here was not that I missed it but that I never seriously looked at it. I suppose this is an excuse but it is the truth.

Alan

[supratt]

the remark " wow what a bunch of girls, the pot calling the kettle black " intended for?

[astanton]

Andy,

Before you draw that conclusion maybe you should get some more infomation. Feel free to call me at 417-327-2582 or better yet come by my shop in Missouri. I work very hard to represent my car correctly. Additionally, I stand behind them. I sell classic cars because I like classic cars and have for as long as I can remeber. It has been my dream to do this and I can assure you I don't do it for the money.

Sincerely,

Alan

[agtw31]

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Andy,

Before you draw that conclusion maybe you should get some more infomation. Feel free to call me at 417-327-2582 or better yet come by my shop in Missouri. I work very hard to represent my car correctly. Additionally, I stand behind them. I sell classic cars because I like classic cars and have for as long as I can remeber. It has been my dream to do this and I can assure you I don't do it for the money.

Sincerely,

Alan

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i dont need to call you.
i have a perfectly good idea what you and your buddy do for a living. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif

[Hylton]

Thank You for ending the auction Jimmy.

[JChlupsa]

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Thank You for ending the auction Jimmy.

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which leads to this being ended as well. If anyone would like info about the car in this thread, I beleive theres a phone number posted that you can all as well.