70 copo 454 camaro?

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where there ever any documented 1970 454 camaro's built? with all the other stuff that went on thru the back door is it possible this could have happened? i can remember when it was said that a 69 chevelle/camaro never came with a 427. this is why i ask. 396/425 blr

[Mr70]

Like the 1970 LS-6 Monte Carlo,there is some literature to show it was going to happen.I would love to see one,but I really do believe it never ever fruitioned,as either an RPO or out the Central Office back door.

[raw muscle cars]

The 1971 Monte Carlo remained relatively unchanged. Round parking lamps in the front bumper were replaced by a rectangular design. A hood ornament was added and headlamp bezels were refined. The grille was redesigned with a finer mesh. The minor cosmetic refinements increased the length to 206.5 inches, but width and height remained the same. Powertrain choices were much the same as those in 1970. The SS package was once again available, but this would be its last year until late 1983. It included the RPO code LS5 454 cubic inch V-8 rated at 365 gross horsepower; up 5 horsepower from 1970. Interestingly, 1971 ordering information showed the RPO code LS6 454 V-8 (425 gross horsepower) as an option for the SS package. Also shown was the RPO code M22 4-speed close ratio manual transmission and a 4.10:1 performance axle ratio. It has been speculated that very few, if any, Monte Carlos with this combination ever made it into the hands of retail customers.

[Fhakya]

I would second the answer of "no". There was some early GM announcements that eluded to an LS-6 powered Camaro for '70 but it never materialized.

[vintagegz]

On July 15/69 L89 aluminum cylinder heads were cancelled for use with LS6 for 1970 production. On Dec. 1/69 a memo statesthat L/78 was to be available with Z/27 until LS6 becomes available. On March 6/70 memo states LS6 will be available with M/22 or M/40 only as RPO Z/15, though availability not determined as of yet. And so the rumours start!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Mr70]

Welcome Mr.Zapora!

[vintagegz]

this is getting scary! thanks for the kind welcome

[Xplantdad]

Welcome George...great info! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[nrjulin]

Here are some pages from John R. Hooper's book The Illustrated Camaro Recognition Guide Volume 2: 1970 to 1973.

The author seems thinks there were a couple built. Hmmm?

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d82/nrjulin/CoverPage.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d82/nrjulin/1970LS6Camaro1.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d82/nrjulin/1970LS6Camaro2.jpg

[Mr70]

I would like to know if anyone ever contacted John H. about having one?

[olredalert]

--------Is Hooper correct when he makes the statement that LS6s were internally balanced??? I cant remember seeing any LS6s that were internally balanced except in racing circumstances with heavy metal slugs..........Bill S

[nrjulin]

I was just posting info from his book that seemed in line with this thread. I do not know John Hooper or anything about an internally balanced LS6.

IMO, I don't think there were any LS6 Camaro built.

NRJ

[Rick H]

Anyone can interpret documentation and come up with a theory that a few cars MIGHT exist but in this case I highly doubt it. I have never seen or heard of any LS-6 Camaros. Factory built that is.

It's a shame really because that thing would have been nasty.

Doesn't mean you can't build one. hmmmmm. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Rick H.

[olredalert]

NRJ,

------I guess I was more asking a general question of the guys on the sight, not specificly you........Bill S

[Seattle Sam]

[ QUOTE ]
--------Is Hooper correct when he makes the statement that LS6s were internally balanced??? I cant remember seeing any LS6s that were internally balanced except in racing circumstances with heavy metal slugs..........Bill S

[/ QUOTE ]

I think it's a typo in the book, Bill. Should say "were not internally balanced"

[70-SS/RS-L78]

The Yunick 500001 Camaro is Supposed to be one of the LS6 Mules that were built.
The LS6 engine from the car was supposedly found under the bench. Hopefully the
car is being restored correctly; It has a lot of impossible to replace parts on it. This
is all second hand info but you never know http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Xplantdad]

That Camaro is here in AZ, I think. Every year at BJ time...an ad appears to try and sell it...

[70-SS/RS-L78]

Bruce which one is it? There are two First Built 1970 500001 Camaro’s, Norwood and LA, The LA. car was sold
on eBay last year. The car is a Plain Jane Camaro and was in pretty Bad Shape.

[Xplantdad]

I'll see if I can dig up the ad that I posted here...

[Rick H]

[ QUOTE ]
That Camaro is here in AZ, I think. Every year at BJ time...an ad appears to try and sell it...

[/ QUOTE ]

Does the ad have Elvis driving the car?? That would clear up a couple of sightings.

Rick H.

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
That Camaro is here in AZ, I think. Every year at BJ time...an ad appears to try and sell it...

[/ QUOTE ]

Does the ad have Elvis driving the car?? That would clear up a couple of sightings.

Rick H.

[/ QUOTE ]

Wow Rick, what the heck is that supposed to mean? Having a bad night, are ya? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Here's the post that I was referring to
CLICK HERE (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=118101&Searchp age=1&Main=118101&Words=Yunick&topic=&Search=true# Post118101)

and here's the ad...

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b156/lotsayenkopics/yunick1.jpg

[Enoch]

Bruce, I know a gentelmen in AZ had what he belived to be a prototype-mule L-S6 70 camaro. I remember my friend talking with him at length about the car and documenting it. I don't belive that he has found any documentation for it yet...I'm just a little pee-on in this hobby and I have heard several refrences to this car all from diffrent sources so...I thought it was discussed on this board 3-4 years ago...I can't for the life of me remember his name...maybe Dave http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Rich.

[70 copo]

David T. found the Norwood car. Lots of go fast goodies were tested on this car including COPO 9796.

Car's VIN is 123870N500001. Code 17 paint, black interior.

Anybody know what that means?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

Phil http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Charley Lillard]

I spoke to the owner of 500001 a few years ago. He had purchased the car from Smokey Yunick. It had no engine but I think he said it had big block engine stands in it. He was sure the orig engine was in another room that was full of engines but they wouldn't let him look for it. I think the car had a 6 cylinder vin though.

[Xplantdad]

All you guys know WAY more than I do about such things...I was just posting what I saw in the local paper during BJ 2005. BTW, the same ad appeared this year, too! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Rick H]

No Bruce I did not have a bad night, that was a joke and was referring to any sightings of a factory LS6 Camaro as just that, sightings. Sort of like Elvis, UFO's, Sasquatch, etc.. I just don't want anyone believing that other then a posssible prototype and someone elses "pilot" car, there were any factory production LS6 Camaros built.

The ad says Yunick prototype LS6 pilot car not factory built LS6 Camaro. As Charley pointed out it might have been an original 6 cylinder. What does make it unique is that it's the first Norwood Camaro built. I would buy it just for that reason alone.

My 70 Z had 4 wheel disc brakes on it when I bought it does it make it a 1970 Z/28 Pilot car? No, just a car someone modified. The guy might not have had a famous name like Yunick, Yenko or Harrell but modified just the same.

This post has made me think about a possible project. 1970-81 Camaro, BB, 4 speed, 4 wheel disc's. Hmmmm.


Rick H.

[Xplantdad]

Rick, it's all good. I misinterpreted your post then. Like I said, you guys are all WAY more knowledgeable about these things. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Rick H]

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David T. found the Norwood car. Lots of go fast goodies were tested on this car including COPO 9796.

Car's VIN is 123870N500001. Code 17 paint, black interior.

Anybody know what that means?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

Phil http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

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Well, there you go, first Norwood Camaro built. Shadow Gray, Black interior, 6 cylinder Camaro that someone used as a test vehicle. Again, make note of the VIN. 6 cylinder!

Rick H.

[Rick H]

Bruce,

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Rick H.

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i was just wondering what it would take to install the drivetrain on the assemble line? seems like a bolt in deal with all the L/78 components? just subsitute the chevelle engine assy. are there oil pan or linkage differeces between chevelle and camaro in 1970?

[Fhakya]

To answer your question Dennis, it would fit perfectly where a 396 was removed.

At least the long block would...was the L-78 intake the same height? I seem to recall there being a concern from GM about the fact that they would need to alter the Camaro's hood on fitment issues for what they wanted to do.

[Chevy454]

The '70 intakes are shorter because Chevrolet was anticipating putting the LS6 in the 'Vette...they didn't (until '71), but the rest of the car lines suffered because of it.

[Fhakya]

Ahh. That kind of rings a bell now. But now that I think about it, I kind of think the "old" L-88 hood kind of enhanced the lines of the Vette a bit.

I'd still like to build a "What if GM did it?" LS6 Camaro.

[Mr70]

You think they had rearend/frame stabilization i.e.warranty concerns about putting a 450 Horse Powered engine in front of a subframed Car in 1970?
Just look what K.BarnHart did at Collinsville last September.

[SS427]

It would look something like this 454 Camaro (http://www.yenko.net/attachments/47829-LS6-DH-engine.JPG) but hopefully a little cleaner. With regards to the rearend, Harrell put this engine and trans in front of a stock 3:08 rear and it has held up.
Rick

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now i'm wondering, how about a 70 nova copo LS6 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif396/425blr

[DarrenX33]

Rick do you remember what manifold is sitting on the motor to get it to clear the hood?

[camarojoe]

I believe it's a stock 70 LS6 intake with factory open element air cleaner.

[DarrenX33]

Thanks Rick.

[camarojoe]

Call me Brandon. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[DarrenX33]

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