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Chevy454

03-10-2006, 06:31 PM

March 2006 Feature Car:Ken Boje's 1967 Gibb Z/28 Camaro"Little Hoss"http://www.yenko.net/features/2006/kb1.JPG<table width="100%" border="0"><tbody><tr><td align="middle" width="100%">SPECS:</td></tr></tbody></table><table borderColor="#FF9933" height="150" width="100%" border="0"><tbody><tr><td vAlign="top" align="center" width="50%" height="21">Engine (factory):</td><td vAlign="top" align="center" width="50%" height="21">Z/28 - 302/290hp</td></tr> <tr><td vAlign="top" align="center" width="50%" height="21">Trans (factory):</td><td vAlign="top" align="center" width="50%" height="21">M-21 (4-speed)</td></tr> <tr><td vAlign="top" align="center" width="50%" height="21">Rear (factory):</td><td vAlign="top" align="center" width="50%" height="21">4.10 posi</td></tr> <tr><td vAlign="top" align="center" width="50%" height="21">Exterior color (factory):</td><td vAlign="top" align="center" width="50%" height="21">Royal Plum</td></tr><tr><td vAlign="top" align="center" width="50%" height="21">Interior color:</td><td vAlign="top" align="center" width="50%" height="21">Standard Black</td></tr>
<tr><td vAlign="top" align="center" width="50%" height="21">Options:</td><td vAlign="top" align="center" width="50%" height="21">Corvette mags, bright(!) red paint, engine/suspension mods</td></tr>
<tr><td vAlign="top" align="center" width="50%" height="21">Selling Dealer:</td><td vAlign="top" align="center" width="50%" height="21">Fred Gibb Chevrolet - LaHarpe, IL</td></tr></tbody></table>

This is the car that *really* got the ball rolling (in regards to racing) at Fred Gibb Chevrolet. Herb Fox, one of Gibb Chevrolet's top salesmen, ordered up the Z/28 and started doing his thing at the track. Fred, himself, then got bit by the racing bug and pledged his support to Fox, as well as to many, many race related projects in the future.

For the '67 season, the car retained it's original "Royal Plum" paint, but for the '68 season the car was painted a bright red, and got treated to a set of knock off wheels. In '68, "Little Hoss" and Herb Fox were the AHRA World Champions. Numerous national records and scores of victories, and as they say "the rest is history"!!

[Photo credit: Jeff Murphy @ Murphy Photographics]


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Belair62

03-10-2006, 06:42 PM

I love this car http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Z-11 396

03-10-2006, 07:31 PM

''' THANKS ''' SO MUCH FOR SHARING THE PICTURES, AND THE STORY ON THE CAR, IT'S /// FANTASTIC ///... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif...KASEY .. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

ANDY M

03-10-2006, 07:35 PM

Outstanding! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
Great history for the sport and hobby. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

PeteLeathersac

03-10-2006, 08:24 PM

Sweet example of a historic car! . Those 'Vette K/O's look great too! . When was the cross-ram setup installed? ~ Pete

MosportGreen66

03-10-2006, 10:05 PM

Was the engine painted at any time? I would be curious to see if the facotry painted the pad...
What a neat car... day-2, vintage drag racing... does not get cooler than this!

1967Z28

03-10-2006, 11:04 PM

Wow, outstanding to see this car get featured! Totally deserving of the attention. A true piece of musclecar history. Great car and just as great of an owner. Congratulations Ken.

-Jon

ORIGLS6

03-11-2006, 12:31 AM

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I love this car http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

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Yeah, I've had a ride in this little monster with Ken at the wheel, http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif and I still love it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Congratulations Mr. Boje, and in case I've never said it to your face, THANK YOU for bringing this car BACK TO LIFE!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Alss

03-11-2006, 01:02 AM

That is just plain cool!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

ALbert

Kim_Howie

03-11-2006, 02:24 AM

I love this car. One of my favorites. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gifKen

Xplantdad

03-11-2006, 05:59 AM

Vey Very Cool! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Salvatore

03-11-2006, 07:28 AM

Has to be the #1 Fred Gibb Supercar! I bet this car still makes Helen proud! It set the standard. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

68TopStock

03-11-2006, 10:31 AM

Rob,

Thanks for selecting my car on the sites monthly feature. I also want to thank your dad, and the SYC for helping me display "Little Hoss", at its natural home, on the track.

So far, I have been able to run in chronological order;
St.Louis (with Herb for its debut in 2001 at the reunion) Beradstown (on the way home in 2001)
Wentzville (now closed) in 2002 at the reunion (first meet of the 1968 Championship season)
Cordova (1968 Eliminator Champ) in 2003 for the 50th Anniversaary (thanks to Doug Herzog)
Whitehall (a neat 1/8 miler on the way to St. Louis)
The 2003 reunion with the #1 ZL1 in 2003 at St. Louis (the first time the 2 cars had ever been at a track together) Kansas City International in 2005, thanks to Harry Kalwei.

I really have to thank, however, Helen Gibb and her two daughters, Nancy and Connie, and Herb Fox for my desire to bring "Little Hoss" back to it's former glory, a drag racing World Championship Stocker. I met Helen and the girls in 1999. I just had to get my car looking like it did in 1968. The excitement among the people in LaHarpe, Illinois is unbelievable when celebrating the Fred Gibb Chevrolet racing heritage. Helen explained to me that "Little Hoss" was their "fun car". I can only imagine how fun it must have been in 1967 and 1968, when Fred, Herb and Dick first met, and were starting a legacy that would be written about and remembered to this day. I just love reading about and seeing the other cars that were created by these friendships. Their owners are just great people!

I must admit, owning this car has been very fun, with alot of excitement occurring in my old veins when I get together with all the friends I have met over the last 6 years.

I have many, many, positive memories that have been created since 1999, I will cherish forever. I have met some new friends, and am grateful for the opportunity of sharing this piece of Chevrolet racing history with those willing to remember the past.

sYc

03-11-2006, 05:24 PM

Hey Ken....http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

71-LS6

03-11-2006, 06:48 PM

The picture of that launch, is just awesome. I was pitted next to Ken last year, the car looks as nice up close, as it does in the pictures.

03-11-2006, 10:01 PM

To hear this car make a pass is like music to the ears. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

68TopStock

03-12-2006, 12:48 AM

To answer a couple of questions.

The crossram was installed just after the Bristol SpringNationals, which occurred on June 6-7 of 1968. Herb told me the set-up was received before that, and the shipping documents have an early May date, but they had the car running so well (just set several records at Detroit) that they did not want to change anything until after the big meet at Bristol. Helen was generous to give me her original shipping invoice to document that "Little Hoss" may have been the first car to run this set-up on a national points circuit. AHRA allowed and had multiple carburation rules for the stock classes.

The engine I have installed is not the original, which was destroyed in 1982. The original engine set around 33 world records, at least 11 under Gibb ownership, and 22 when owned by Lloyd Kirchoff, who bought the car from Fred in November of 1968, and renamed the car "Mighty Mouse". Lloyd won Stock Eliminator at the Bristol SpringNationals in 1971, running GS/A (with the 302 crossram and a turbo-350).

The current engine is one of the few factory prepared counter exchange CE 302 shortblocks made in 1967. I bought it still in the crate NOS, and it is still OE spec, running 359 HP on the dyno after I installed OE heads and an OE crossram. It is standard bore, stroke and compression. The factory pad was painted after we assembled the motor, but it came without paint on it when taken from the crate.

Jeff Murphy

03-12-2006, 02:06 AM

Here's a more recent shot of the car and Ken with Dennis Gage at last year's Reunion:

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/195872-Boje-Camaro.jpg

Denis

03-12-2006, 06:50 AM

I am very interested in seeing the dyno sheet. Any chance of having it scanned and posted here?

Fhakya

03-13-2006, 09:19 PM

What RPM's do you launch the car at Ken?

sYc

03-13-2006, 10:29 PM

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Not for sure about Ken, but one year at the SCR I think Herb Fox left at about 10 grand. In fact, he had it wound so tight the car stumbled at the 60' mark due to fuel starvation.

ORIGLS6

03-13-2006, 11:56 PM

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I think Herb Fox left at about 10 grand. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

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And that, my friends, is how you get to be a WORLD CHAMPION!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

68TopStock

03-14-2006, 09:35 AM

Denis,

I will try and find the dyno sheets, pretty interesting as they also show fuel and air data during the 7-8 test runs. May need to send them to Rob to post, so they are more readable.

I have been launching around 5800-6000, however, am sure Herb did it a bit higher, with roller rockers, and stiffer springs, and a few other tricks. The dyno sheets show the current set-up peaks around 6200.

Chevy454

03-14-2006, 05:20 PM

Send 'em, Ken... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Denis

03-14-2006, 07:32 PM

Seattle Sam and I hung out a bit with Jerry MacNeish and Ben Wenzel when they were running their respective Z28's at the Indy nationals in 2004 -- Jerry drives a '68, Wenzel drives a '67. Both of those cars launch, and shift, at 8200rpm.

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mrrec

03-17-2006, 05:37 PM

Great car!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Chevy454

03-18-2006, 06:13 PM

Here ya go folks, eat your hearts out...the much anticipated "Little Hoss" dyno session!

Here are 14 pages of the dyno break-in and 8 pulls for the engine that is in Little Hoss. Probably the only test ever done with a bone stock factory built 1967 Z28 engine with crossram, other than what GM may have done years ago, but never released. When Ron the owner of R&R Performance first looked at the motor with the crossram set-up, his comment was "I've done over 4,000 motors in 12 years, and have never seen much less done one of these, it will be interesting to see the numbers".

Here is a brief explanation of the sheets, which have the corrected power on the front and raw data on the back, I only sent a couple of the back sheets to show individual fuel and air flow for both carbs. Ron found it unusual that the manifold pressure was in negative numbers, and had not seen this before, and had no explanation. Maybe that is why the crossram required fuel splash guides (made up of epoxied wire in the prototypes, and became part of the lower manifold mold in production units like mine)?

The overall graph is for the last run, #8 which provided the best average power of 353.9hp and 332.1 lbs. torque, with a fresh .30/.30 lash setting and at 36 degrees timing.

#1-Cruise test, just that, initial break-in after setting float levels, with open test headers, which also recorded exhaust gas temperatures.
#2-Break in with timing set at 34 degrees, rpm up to 5100. Ron noticed low initial fuel flow on the rear carb and started making adjustments, based on fuel flow and exhaust gas temp. (fuel b on back page of next test). HP=311.9 @ 5100rpm.
#3-Near full pull to 5700rpm/352.4 hp, timing still at 34 degrees. See back page circled fuel and air averages. This is the only way to set-up a crossram, otherwise your just guessing. It really helped to see the exhaust gas temps while the adjustments were made.
#4-First full pull up to 6300rpm. This is where max 359.6hp @5900rpm was recorded, 329.6 ft lbs. of torque @5300. Ron continued to make carb adjustments, and set the timing to 36 degrees.
#5-Better overall average hp (322.6), with max of 358.7 @6,000rpm. Rear page shows fuel and air nearly the same at max power.
#6-Timing set at 35 degrees, average power down to 320.4 and hp down to 354.4 at 5900rpm. Reset timing to 36 degrees.
#7-The best average hp of 324, with max of 357.4 @a5900rpm. Ron reset the valve lash for one final pull. He was having fun.
#8-The best overall average power was recorded, of 324.3, with a hp of 353.9 at 5800hp, with the max Torque reading achieved of 332.1 ft lbs. @5200rpm.

When Ron was done with the session, he immediately called Gene Pearson, who reassembled the motor after it was dissassembled for cleaning and inspection. His comment was "it's a strong little motor, you won't believe what we got for numbers". I have an idea they thought I was pulling their leg when I first told them what I was bringing in to be assembled. The only thing Gene did was perform a micro-torque plate hone to the cylinders, the stock rod/piston/rings/crank/bearings were just cleaned, inspected, and reassembled, with the piston/pins untouched, so as to prevent breakage. The heads are stock 291 '67 heads, with possibly a mild clean up, with what I think is the 30/30 cam (I forgot to ask Gene to take the numbers off it, when it was out of the short block. I don't think it is the off-road cam, as the valve lash setting are different, and the lash setting we used (factory) seemed to help the overall average power.

I hope someday to build a motor like Fred and Herb had, which included 12-13:1 compression, and a .030-.060 overbore, with the crossram. When I calculated out the times and speeds that they were running, I think the projected HP was around 460-470 back in 1968. Best time was 11.75 and mph was 118.42 with a 3300 lb car.

Hope this is interesting for all to read.

Ken

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Seattle Sam

03-19-2006, 08:48 AM

Denis,
I forgot about those pictures!

Here is a shot of the Wenzel brother's trunk..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/sbesser/SCR7/wenzeltrunk.jpg

We also saw this 1957 "SS" Corvette

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/sbesser/SCR7/57SSCorvette.jpg

DZ Fool

03-19-2006, 09:01 PM

Ken,
I am gratefull for you posting these sheets. I was wondering why the air fuel ratio was so rich ? I always thought 12.5 to 13 A/F ratio was optimum

Thanks again Dan

SMGCO

03-22-2006, 10:56 PM

I've seen it in person. It's a real piece of history.

Stefano

03-23-2006, 05:23 AM

Ken,
You and your car are a tribute to our hobby. Thanks for coming out to play for all to enjoy!

SS427

03-23-2006, 05:26 PM

I have seen the car perform numerous times and it is always a pleasure to see the car at the reunion and the Fred Gibb show and is quite a tribute to Fred Gibb. Next time you come the beer is on you. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
Rick

ORIGLS6

03-23-2006, 07:08 PM

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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

bad1racing

04-11-2006, 05:04 AM

Just a couple pictures I had of Little Hoss.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e324/bad1racing/LITTLEHOSS.jpg
The first one was taken over the hood of my truck at SCR8 with Dennis Gage getting ready for an interview.
Kendall

Mike67SS

04-18-2006, 04:47 AM

This car is amazing!!!, I also love the stinger hood http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

ORIGLS6

04-18-2006, 05:24 PM

Hey Boje; if you'd update your profile we could ALL wish you a Happy Birthday!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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SS427

04-18-2006, 07:27 PM

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Seeing it's my birthday monday, why don't you just leave "Little Hoss" up for April too! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

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He already did. Happy belated Birthday Ken!! and heres http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif to many more.
Rick