A Picture's Worth a Thousand Words...

[GOAT72]

This was from the LA march earlier this week...
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FINAL NOTE:
Racist Congressman Dana Rohrabacher (R of California 4th district) of red-neck Orange County said that he didn't care how long people had been in "this country" illegally, if they were here illegally for 5 or 50 years that they should be deported. Fine! Europeans have been here illegally since 1492, START THE DEPORTATIONS NOW! First one to go should be this Nazi Rohrabacher!

Sensenbrenner, Schwarzenegger, Rohrabacher, funny how they all have Germanic names! .....No, it's not funny at all!

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[nuch_ss396]

Do you want to open up this can of worms here? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[ZL1.FUN]

" that's a big can "

[mssl72]

That picture does say a lot. It tells me that the people that are trying to come to the US don't want to be an American. They just want what America can give them. They can protest all they want. Illegal immigration is just that...illegal, and should be treated as such. How it's dealt with is whole other ball game.

[WILMASBOYL78]

America has always been the place people want to be....from the 1600's up until today. The politicians have let this problem get totally out of control for years and now they want to dump it in our laps. If someone wants to come to America for a better life thats's great, but the price of admission should be a committment to become a tax paying "citizen" and learn the language. I would never suggest someone give up their heritage, home language or traditions. All of us have anscestors who came from other countries..but we are Americans now. I am proud of my Irish heritage and enjoy the culture and history of my family....but I'm an American! If you want to live here and enjoy the privileges of freedom then you have to be willing to pay the price for those privileges. That means you come to our country the right way, not smuggled here in the back of truck....our politicians have outdone themselves again, by simply failing to deal with this problem. They are the ones who should be deported somewhere!

Everyone needs to "work" harder at being an American citzen... and why not, it's the best job in the world!

wilma http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[GOAT72]

Carrying signs depicting ANYONE as a NAZI (Besides maybe Adolf himself) is just plain wrong.
Schwartzenegger has a problem on his hands -- his state budget is out of control with the additional expense of non tax-paying illegals who use the hospitals, schools and roads.

Does he deserve this?
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<font color="blue">And what the heck is THIS all about???? </font>
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[Xplantdad]

I agree that the people who want to come here to enjoy a better life should do just that...but do it legally. There was a story in our local paper about a husband and wife who went through the process to become legal citizens...it took them a year...and thousands of dollars do do it right.

There was a picture of a local protest here...and on the sign it said, "We pay taxes" to which someone said..."Yea, right.Show me your LEGALLY optained SS card and ANY of your tax returns... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

We have a really big problem on our hands now...I'm sure with enough pressure from the 'ordinary' citizens...we'll get someting done.

Another interesting quote from a local teacher here was "What do I tell my students in my civics class...when we welcome any people that are fleeing from Cuba with open arms...but people of the same nationality from Mexico are looked at in a totally different way."

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[PeteLeathersac]

Uh oh....what a topic. . Being here in Canada where our borders (and butts?) have been open to seemingly anyone for years, I have a tough time biting my tounge on this topic. . Obviously immigration need to be through legal process....arriving in the trunk of a car isn't like sneaking into the drive-in movie! . Sure we're all originally from 'the old country' etc. but Canadians and Americans still have societies that although more flawed daily, still work. . All personal opinions here but it's like the basic principles these countries operate and were founded on erode with high percentages of immigration in short periods of time. . Seems like immigrants need a generation or two to get with the swing of North American ways....to understand and appreciate them before becoming politcally connected and powerful enough to make changes? . It's like this to me....a family flees a country for need of personal safety and wants to live in a 'free' society. . We offer this yet then when their status is secure, they push to have their old ways become a part of this society....hey, didn't they just say they wanted to get away from this type of world??? . Just last week here in Canada another 'group' won the rights to carry more 'cerimonial swords' around! . This is nuts when the average guy can be charged if his trusty pocket knife has a blade longer than 5 inches??? . I'll stop for now but that's just a drop in the bucket of what's happening here with just the supposed legally landed immigrants. . It may sound somewhat racist but I'm certainly not.....just want to keep as much of the 'real world' for my kids and others who want to appreciate and enjoy what's still left! . Good luck with it all! .
~ Pete

[WILMASBOYL78]

They can carry a sword, but you can't have a handgun.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif


wilma http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[nuch_ss396]

<font color="blue">And what the heck is THIS all about???? </font>
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If this image doesn't piss-off everyone here, then nothing
else will (except possibly seeing a Yenko in the crusher).
Did we all miss something about the last several hundred
years of history of this nation? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Two of my wifes brothers live overseas ( after military
service ). One in Germany, and the other in Japan. In
both cases, they could not get citizenship, or gainful
employment in these countries without actively learning the
respective languages of their adopted countries. There you
have it in a nutshell - fellows! As a fellow member here
added, if they want to live here, they must learn "our"
language, not the other way around.

Years ago, I worked as a Manufacturing Engineer for a US
company in the New York area. They employed a large
Portugese workforce spanning multiple genereations. We had
such problems communicating with the workforce that the
management wanted us to learn the Portugese language so we
could "effectively" communicate with them. In a meeting,
it was suggested that we attend language classes ( after
hours ) to facilitate this. In a question and answer
session, I stood up and asked why we were being required
to learn a "foreign" language when multiple generations of
our workforce could only speak broken English at best. I
refused to participate and walked out of the meeting. So
ended my upward mobility in that company. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

Yes, the useless politicians have dealt us all a major
problem. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif They want to continue to get re-elected
and that keeps them pandering to the Latino vote. I'm not
bashing anyone from South America here!

The major problem here is that Political Service is now a
big money making deal. How often do you see or hear of a
politician of modest means? Not often! More http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

When this country started, leaders like Washington, Jefferson,
Franklin, etc. were asked to hold office in service to
their country. They did it out of reverence for their
country ( http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif ), not to make $$$$$$$.

We need to derail this train now. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Steve

[SamLBInj]

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<font color="blue">And what the heck is THIS all about???? </font>
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Steve

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Looks like a sign that Hitler probably held up in Eroupe back in the late 30's. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[SamLBInj]

I have a question for you all, If you ask somebody from the USA what nationality they are what answer do you think you will get? I will bet you will get every other county than the one that they actually are which is American from the United States of America... amazing how many Pollocks and Italians seem to be living in America. Even we are not sure what we are. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[427TJ]

Here I go typing again...

(Please excuse the CAPITAL LETTERS. I'm not YELLING, I use them for EMPHASIS.)

First off, this is one HUGE DISTRACTION in an election year. The isn't EVER going to be any mass-deportation of Hispanic illegals or any other illegals no matter what congressmen or senators say in front of the TV cameras.

American business is HOOKED ON IMMIGRANT LABOR as if it were crack cocaine. That's why the president is trying to get an "amnesty" bill through congress. "Amnesty" means NOTHING CHANGES and any and all illegals STAY RIGHT HERE.

The main temptation for hiring illegals is that they have no recourse where on-the-job injury is concerned. If they get hurt then they just suck it up and either keep working or they walk away and are replaced by the next illegal immigrant laborer. No Workmen's Comp, no welfare--unless they're scamming those systems but that's not easy despite conventional wisdom.

Another main temptation is the fact that they come CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP and dare not form or join UNIONS. (Yes, the UFW came about in the '60s but since then: nada.) I know: "Unions cause all the problems." Maybe in some cases, but illegals are PERFECT where American corporations are concerned. So is China. See: outsourcing. Illegal labor and China serve to keep unionized and non-union labor scared for their jobs. Gonna' strike? Then we'll let those illegals (who've been given "amnesty") come do your job. Well, maybe it's not that easy but it sure works as a good scare tactic. 'Keeps those uppity "OVERPAID" American laborers afraid of being replaced by illegals.

OOPS, I mean "GUEST WORKERS."

If GM or Ford could put non-union immigrant labor on the assembly lines and dump the pension and benefit programs they'd do it IN A SECOND. AND CARS WOULD NOT COST ONE PENNY LESS.

"But Amercians won't do these jobs." Oh yes they will! They just won't do it for jack-squat like desperate illegals will. Each one of us values our own paycheck and knows we deserve every dollar we earn. American business just doesn't want to pay Americans if they can avoid it, therefore, ILLEGALS WILL REMAIN A MAJOR FACTOR IN AMERICAN LABOR.

All this puffed-up hyper-furor (on TV) over illegal immigration is going to do is distract all of us away from whatever is going badly for the politicos in Washington. It takes our minds off of Iraq, the federal deficit, the economy (for anyone who isn't rich), education, health care---pick something. This illegal immigration hype is just a convenient distraction in an election year.

Why has this suddenly come up now? No one seemed to care for the past 10, 25, 50, 75, 100 years? Yeah, we've all known that illegals have been coming across the southern border and yeah, they've been flooding across lately, but don't get too anxious about the situation changing. American business is HOOKED on illegal labor and there ain't nothing gonna' change.

Okay, I'm heading out to the garage and test-fit my new wheels on my Camaro!

[CamarosRus]

Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Every American citizen needs to read this!

[Z-11 396]

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Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Every American citizen needs to read this!

[/ QUOTE ] I FULLY AGREE....IF ALL THESE FOLKS WOULD GO BACK TO MEXICO, AND ::PROTEST::, THEN THEY COULD HAVE A COUNTRY AS GOOD AS THE ONE THEY HAVE COME TOO... BUT THERE, THEY WILL PROABLY BE ""SHOT, OR LOCKED UP"" IN JAIL...THEY WANT US TO CHANGE OUR FLAG, OUR LANGUAGE TO SUIT THEM, THE HELL WITH THAT CRAP !!!...NO ! FREE PASS...SIGN UP---PAY UP, LIKE THE REST OF US.....KASEY

[ANDY M]

Did no one notice that not only was the United States flag below the Mexican flag, it was also upside-down, which is always a distress signal?
427TJ is right, this country is hooked on immigrant laborers. They come frome Korea, China, Thailand, Egypt, and every other country. They come in anyway they can, like the 9/11 hijackers with expired student visas.
The Mexicans count for the largest number, but the rest of these folks have to work to eat, just like everybody else.
The US government sets the immigration quota numbers, and our elected officials do nothing to change them. This goes back to when we let people into this counrty based on how much raw labor was needed.
During the "Great Depression", there was no immagration allowed, from any country. That policy has never been changed. Why the INS even exists is a complete mystery.

[Verne_Frantz]

I just had the same conversation last night with a buddy in the shop. We'll take anyone who wants a better life, or a chance to build one. But the only price of admission is that you are required to learn the language.
The biggest reason why most of our property taxes are soaring is due to school budgets. One of the biggest reasons for the higher budgets is the required hiring of multiple-lingual teachers so we can teach people in their native tongues, rather than teach them English first.

I've had a NJ driver's license since late '67, but when I needed to get my new "photo-id" DL, I had to bring 5 pieces of proof that I was me, including my original birth certificate.

Recently, some politicians in NJ want to "give" driver's licenses to illegal immigrants "so they can get to work and be productive citizens".

And this is just after our tightening of security following 9-11.....!

And they say it's the people in the cabins in the mountains who we have to worry about.. Nope! It's the guys in the suits in government buildings who are the real threat to the American way of life.

[Lino]

AMERICA- LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Keith Tedford]

Sounds to me like once these illegals become citizens and legitimate workers, they won't be cheap labor any more. Low wages, for them, are probably better than none when they get displaced by the next wave of illegals. History does seem to repeat itself.

[427TJ]

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And they say it's the people in the cabins in the mountains who we have to worry about.. Nope! It's the guys in the suits in government buildings who are the real threat to the American way of life.

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With help from their corporate lobbyist pals in $3,000 suits who write these so-called "amnesty" bills that protect the steady flow of illegal labor northward.

There I go typing again...

[nuch_ss396]

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Did no one notice that not only was the United States flag below the Mexican flag, it was also upside-down, which is always a distress signal? .....

... Why the INS even exists is a complete mystery.

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Yes Andy, I did notice that! That's why I started to rant. I'm sick of it all. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif
We are in distress, but not for the reasons they think...

The INS exists for the shere fact that almost all other
Gov't agencies exist - TO TAKE OUR HARD EARNED MONEY !
They do less and less, but take more and more.

Hey Steve, this is your friendly Gov't agency calling ( you fill in the one - doesn't matter ).
You have money right? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif Now, where'd I leave my M-16? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Can you imagine the audacity of these illegals to attack
our flag ( upside-down ) and even worse put their flag
above ours? What's wrong with the picture is that it's
positive proof that immigration isn't assimilation any more.
TR was right. Now, where'd he leave that BIG STICK? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

I think the picture indicates the need for some serious a$$-woopin. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif I hope we all wake up in time..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Steve

[Rick H]

I was not going to say anything but the more I see that picture of our flag upside down UNDER the other flag, the more it just pi$$$$ me off. To be truthful I feel that it would have been better not to have posted it in the first place but that is what our country is about, right? Free speech. Well most of the time.

Two clear violations of the Flag Code shown in that picture.

1. "When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak."

2. "The flag should never be dipped to any person or thing. It is flown upside down only as a distress signal."

While we are at it, here is another flag code..

"The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature."

Well, guess who is signing this flag???

http://home.rochester.rr.com/drhoff/images/bushflag.jpg

Absolutely pathetic!

Rick H.

[nuch_ss396]

Rick,

This guy can sign it anytime. At least he's a citizen...

And, his heart is in the right place. Isn't that what matters?

Steve

[Rick H]

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Rick,

This guy can sign it anytime. At least he's a citizen...

And, his heart is in the right place. Isn't that what matters?

Steve

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I disagree. Just like you and I, he has no right to sign it it all. This man is suppose to set the example and if his heart was in it he would know it's wrong to deface our flag.

Rick H.

[427TJ]

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This photo is meant to piss us off. Images such as this one are also meant to keep us fighting (among ourselves) about how the flag is displayed/treated/signed/disrespected/etc. What we're not supposed to do is ignore such images and start asking our political representatives difficult, uncomfortable questions about illegal labor and why American business is hopelessly addicted to it and then finding out the truth: politicians on both sides actually have no intention whatsoever of stopping it or even slowing it down.

If this issue even lasts until the midterm elections in November, you can bet it goes away once the elections are over.

[427TJ]

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Isn't this the guy who wants to allow all illegal immigrants to stay in the United States and become "guest workers" under an "amnesty" program??? He's protecting us from "terror" but not from losing our jobs to foreign workers. No outrage over that huh?

He can sign all the flags he wants to, especially Mexican flags that those "guest workers" will be holding!

[jfkheat]

I put a lot of the blame for all the illegal workers on the companies that hire them. If the government fined these companies $10,000 for every illegal they would stop hiring them. If the illegals can't get jobs here, they will stop coming.
James

[GOAT72]

In Fairfax VA, some people started photographing the work trucks that were stopping to pick-up the local illegals as they waited in a parking lot.
Pretty soon the trucks stopped coming in the morning because the people taking the photos were threatening to send them (including their tag numbers) to the INS and the IRS.

In my town there are anywhere from 30-60 immigrants, all Mexican, waiting in a shopping mall parking lot 7 days per week. The cops sit there and watch all morning.

So, there are police officers being paid to monitor them. And now the town is paying an interpreter to sit there as well.
Then there are the court records published weekly and the births recorded -- every week the scale seems to tilt on the side of Hispanic names. Stabbings, DUIs, driving without license, no insurance, domestic abuse, theft, drugs arrests, shoplifting...it goes on and on. This used to be a quaint little town.
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Check this out:
www.thewakeupamericafoundation.com (http://www.thewakeupamericafoundation.com/index.shtml)

[71-LS6]

I keep hearing that it is physically impossible to deport 11 to however many million illegal immigrants. I'm just a dumb-ass redneck, but wouldn't requiring green cards to be displayed, upon EXITING their 500,000 strong, demonstrations be a good start? As a single family homebuilder for the last 20 years, I have purposely refused to hire cheap illegal immigrant labor. For my troubles I have lost 75% of my business over the past 5 years, as most of my competitors have just looked the other way, and gone with the cheap labor. One more fact to take note of; they are not just filling jobs in the unskilled labor arena. Many of these guys are showing up as carpenters, electricians, dry-wallers, plumbers, ect. ect. If this trend continues, you can draw your own conclusions. 25 years ago, this topic was no big deal, as ranchers along the Rio Grande, lost the use of their legally owned property, to hordes of smugglers and job seekers. We need to get a handle on the border now!
LEGAL IMMIGRATION followed immediately by ASSIMILATION.

[Belair62]

If anny [censored] politician who looks at the picture of the Mexican flag on top of ours does NOT get pissed off he should be sent back with the illegal people. It's time for this country to take a stand. I like what Teddy Roosevelt said. I'm married and have children with a Mexican American woman...and she agrees. Her mother came across the border illegally back in the early 50's. She came here to make a better life for her kids. And STAYED here and became a citizen. She did not go back and did not send all her money back there either. These people are USING this country. It is NOT their country. They will never really consider it THEIR country. Put up the damn fence....make people come here the way they are supposed to.

[nuch_ss396]

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If anny [censored] politician who looks at the picture of the Mexican flag on top of ours does NOT get pissed off he should be sent back with the illegal people. It's time for this country to take a stand. I like what Teddy Roosevelt said. I'm married and have children with a Mexican American woman...and she agrees. Her mother came across the border illegally back in the early 50's. She came here to make a better life for her kids. And STAYED here and became a citizen. She did not go back and did not send all her money back there either. These people are USING this country. It is NOT their country. They will never really consider it THEIR country. Put up the damn fence....make people come here the way they are supposed to.

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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif Now, I like this opinion.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[427TJ]

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If anny [censored] politician who looks at the picture of the Mexican flag on top of ours does NOT get pissed off he should be sent back with the illegal people.

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Again, CAPITAL LETTERS are for emphasis, not yelling.

Oh, the politicians are pissed-off all right, now that we're paying attention, they're just not going to do anything meaningful about this. Again, this is an election year and there will be plenty of political posturing when the TV cameras are running. Even if something gets through congress this year it will be toothless and slowly die on the vine, especially after November.

There isn't going to be any mass-deportations or any mini-deportations. The current status quo will continue: random capturing and return of small numbers of illegals while many, many more continue to bypass capture and enter the country and GO TO WORK.

Think of the immigration laws ALREADY ON THE BOOKS that are either not enforced or just simply ignored. With the current laws and any future laws the border is a revolving door and it will remain so. They can build all the "walls" they want to but American business desperately needs cheap labor, preferably non-citizen labor, and thus any walls will be bypassed one way or another.

Non-citizen labor means "Guest Workers" who have received "amnesty" from the president but who will be denied the rights and protections that American workers enjoy and fought hard to get. Looked at this way the whole illegal immigrant situation begins to make perfect sense.

The thought of putting up a wall makes us feel good about stopping illegal immigration but a wall isn't going to do much to solve the problem. It may slow down some of the flow but only temporarily until another means of getting across is found. For every tunnel the Border Patrol discovers there must be 5 to 10 more that go undiscovered. Once the wall is built there will be 100 tunnels, maybe 1,000.

Border Patrol agents routinely collect illegal immigrants day after day, night after night, give them a McDonald's hamburger, and escort them back to the border where they are released. They probably know many of the illegals well enough to say: "See you tomorrow." Talk about frustrating. The Border Patrol has to balance its law enforcement duty with the unspoken pressures from American politicians and business to allow the required number of illegals to get in. That's why the Border Patrol isn't larger in number and as well-equipped as they could be.

What it will take to stem the flood of illegal labor is a law that PUNISHES AMERICAN BUSINESS FOR HIRING ILLEGAL LABOR. Wanna' lay down money that such a law would ever so much as get to the floor of congress? NO WAY JOSE! Again, the president is pushing an "amnesty" bill at this moment and that should prove to anyone that what Washington wants, really wants, is to keep things as they are and allow illegals to be let off the hook. They stay here and are protected and allowed to continue to undercut the American worker. That's what the government wants.

These flag, etc., photos will keep on popping up and keep on pissing off everybody and we'll keep on discussing this and not one MEANINGFUL, SERIOUS thing will be done about the root problems of illegal immigration.

I predict that by this time next year, if not much sooner, we will have forgotten about this and we'll be talking about some other outrage.

Another case of SSDD: Same Sh*t, Different Day.

[69LM1]

427 TJ said it right. Like most of these "issues" there are many common sense ways to fix them for good, but the politicos don't want that. Know what it costs to run for political office in the USA? Not thousands, but in most cases, 10's of thousands of dollars. Where does all of this money come from? From the PAC's and Big Business, who in turn, need those juicy contracts and business protection laws from who else? The politicos, that's who. A vicious circle.

Fine the businesses who hire the illegals and that would stop the hiring, which would stop a large percentage of the illegals.

However, be prepared to pay more for that Micky D's Big Mac (We have seen a spike in the price of happy meals here in N.O., post katrina, even with the infux of our mexican neighbors from Texas).

[Verne_Frantz]

I don't think we'll be talking about a "different outrage". I think we'll still be complaining about trying to do business with people who do not speak ENGLISH.

On a related experience, I went to a boro public zoning meeting to discuss an application from a Spanish woman to open a hair cutting business in her garage on my street. I'll skip the many sorted details, but the thing that really left me with an impression was that she was here, in this country for 12 years (TWELVE YEARS) and she needed an interpreter (who was her new American husband). Even when she was asked (through him) a simple yes or no question, she replied "Si". He then said "yes".

Again, she was in this country for TWELVE YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is VERY obvious that "they" don't want to assimulate themselves into this country and our culture. They're here because we've said, "come on over - we'll take care of you, no matter what" "you don't even have to DO anything but ask".

Man, I wish my life was that easy...........

I know how to solve the problem, but it involves illegal actions. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[nuch_ss396]

Verne,

They don't want to assimilate because they don't have to !
It's that simple. Re-read what I added earlier about my
two brother-in-laws. They could not work until they
assimilated their adoptive countries. We simply need to
do exactly the same thing here. Put a time limit on it.
No excuses!!!!!!

Regarding the Hispanic woman here for 12 years and not
speaking english, again, see my post about the company
where we had 3rd generation family members using broken
English at best. I feel your pain my friend! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

Steve

[jfkheat]

About 4 months ago my 16 year old niece was raped by a Mexican. When he was arrested, they found out he was in the country illegally and was using another name.
James

[PeteLeathersac]

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Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Every American citizen needs to read this!

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Wow, what an unbelievable statement from ol' Teddy himself....when did these ways of thinking stop? . Another example of 'progress'...sure looks like more than the ozone layer has been eroding over the last hundred years? .
~ Pete

[SamLBInj]

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About 4 months ago my 16 year old niece was raped by a Mexican. When he was arrested, they found out he was in the country illegally and was using another name.
James

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That happened here also, and this is a little quiet Island. The mexican was working as a landscaper and left the side door unlocked, late that night he came in to the house and tried to rape the peoples daughter, she made just enough noise to wake her parents and they got the flucker. Also a month ago, a family was killed by an illegal mexican house border they were helping out.
Send the mother fluckers back where they belong. Im tired of pushing 1 to speak American English. If you cant speak the language get out of the country...

[SamLBInj]

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As a single family homebuilder for the last 20 years, I have purposely refused to hire cheap illegal immigrant labor. For my troubles I have lost 75% of my business over the past 5 years, as most of my competitors have just looked the other way, and gone with the cheap labor. One more fact to take note of; they are not just filling jobs in the unskilled labor arena. Many of these guys are showing up as carpenters, electricians, dry-wallers, plumbers, ect. ect. If this trend continues, you can draw your own conclusions.

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Steve,How many Drywallers,Landscapers, Roofers, and Siders do you know who do not use mexican labor?
Your doing the right thing. I have restructured my entire business to the point where we do everything in house except Electrical as Im not licensed for that but I use a company who has the same ideas we have. We also have more work than we can do so it works and people know the difference and are willing to pay more to use an all American workforce.

[SamLBInj]

Sorry for another post but this really pisses me off...

First, Why should we have to press 1 to continue in English?

How can Congress do anything about Illegal Immigrants when 90% of them have them living in there homes raising their kids and cleaning their house?

Its time for a National Sales tax so they pay their share. Its also an incentive to become a citizen as they pay and get nothing back. (I wish them luck on that).

We need huge fines for the people who hire Illegle Immigrants. Maybe the H&amp;R Block people can do that since they will need a new line of work.

[Chevy454]

A lot of the problem is exactly *which* folks are actually trying to get here and what their intentions are...by that I mean, the vast majority are doing it illegally, which shows they're not above (below?) breaking the laws...we already have enough lawbreakers here without recruiting more.

The wife and I (along with some others from our church) went on a mission trip to Mexico earlier this year...a pastor at one of the church's we were helping repair had like an 8 year old daughter that had fallen accidently into an open chemical pit (from one of our outsourced plants, of course) on her way home from school...she had chemical burns all over, but one of her legs was severely disfigured, so she needed some special surgery, and they found a doctor to do it, but he was across the border in Texas...it was an expensive surgery, but the doctor agreed to work with them, but they had to get across the border...well, last I knew, they're on their third year of trying to go through the proper channels and spent several thousand dollars (which they didn't have to spare) as well...but NO DICE. Naturally, they're upset, because they said they could've spent a few hundred bucks and hired a "Coyote" to smuggle them across and probably already been there and back, but they knew it wasn't the right thing to do, but that the right thing to do has gotten them no where and their daughter still needs the surgery. They told us point blank they had no desire to stay in the U.S., and most of the folks they knew/associated with felt the same...but there are plenty of folks wiling to break the law and take the easy way out, and those seem to be the majority of the ones we're getting.

Even in our podunk town here in Hillbillyville, I can name off a handful of sawmills that have who knows how many of them employed...the sawmills love 'em, 'cause it dangerous work so insurance and workman's comp and all the other BS love the premiums, but with immigrant work all of that non-sense is negated...just worry about the locals, slip the Mexican *pimp* a few hundred bucks extra each month to make sure you have enough hands to work, and you're in like Flynn.

[PeteLeathersac]

Sad tale Rob. . Have you looked into Toronto's 'Sick Kids' Hospital? . Every year they bring kids in from all over the world trying to make a difference for sick children caught up in political situations etc. . Here's a link below and God bless! .
~ Pete

http://www.sickkids.ca/internationalprogram/

[ANDY M]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a146/ameyers215/LocutusofBorg.jpg
You will be assimilated.
Resistance is futile.

[427TJ]

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How can Congress do anything about Illegal Immigrants when 90% of them have them living in there homes raising their kids and cleaning their house?

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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif Well said!

[Turbo Regal]

Last time I checked, when you enter a country and plant a foreign flag, your intent is to take it over for your own. Pretty chilling!

[71-LS6]

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Steve,How many Drywallers,Landscapers, Roofers, and Siders do you know who do not use mexican labor?
Your doing the right thing. I have restructured my entire business to the point where we do everything in house except Electrical as Im not licensed for that but I use a company who has the same ideas we have. We also have more work than we can do so it works and people know the difference and are willing to pay more to use an all American workforce.

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Sam, I am in the process of moving every job to "in house" status also. As to how many of the local subcontractors DO NOT use illegal labor, I would guess it to be less than 50% for sure, and shrinking quickly. For many years I was a "volume builder" on the southwest fringes of the Kansas City metro area. At a 5%-7% net margin, it did not take much to "tip the scales" toward the guys using illegal labor. In addition to moving most of my operations back to "in house" status, I have transformed into a regional builder, doing higher margin jobs, anywhere within a 250 mile radius of my original area. It sounds like I'm serving a similar need here in the midwest, now if I can only keep diesel prices below 3$/gal. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[SamLBInj]

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now if I can only keep diesel prices below 3$/gal. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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After $3.00 it will become cheaper to have 20 Mexicans pushing your trucks to the sites. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif
How many Mexicans do you get to the mile? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[jeff morocco]

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Steve,How many Drywallers,Landscapers, Roofers, and Siders do you know who do not use mexican labor?


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im a superintendant for a union drywall, tape and paint company. 100% of my drywallers and tapers are mexican.99% of my painters are white. i know that all my hangers and tapers are legal, the union makes sure of that. they pretty much cater to these guys because they know that they only stay in this country for about 7-10 years and then go back to mexico, leaving behind all the money they put into their retirement funds fattening up the union officials retirements. thats why the laborers and carpenters unions are the highest in the country for retirement funds !!! its pretty sad when people say that mexicans are cheap labor but that is not the case for a union company. a journeyman hanger makes 33.32 an hour. then add roughly 10-15 for benefits and another 5-7 in workmans comp. so wheres the cheap labor ?

[Rick H]

Did anybody else happen to see the Fox news this morning? It had a great segment on illegal's and the new Minuteman watch group watching the border.

They saw a few coming across and notified Border Patrol who rounded them up and sent them back. BUT, before they went back the news crew interviewed an illegal immigrant and he stated (this got me rilled) that he already had a roofing job waiting for him in Virginia. Absolutely frickin' amazing. To bad the didn't mention the company's name. Oh, he did say he will try again until he makes it.

Ever wonder how many companies are "recruiting" across the border?

Another interesting tidbit was that if Bush passes this law 10-22 MILLION new people will be eligible for healthcare. Think of the welfare increase as well. Just who the (fill in the word of your choice) do you think will pay for that? Yep. WE WILL!

Ahhhh, makes you want to hmmmm!

Rick H.

P.S. on a lighter note. 83 degrees here in Las Vegas. Sure beats Western NY. To bad it ends Friday. Darn. Darn.

[SamLBInj]

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Steve,How many Drywallers,Landscapers, Roofers, and Siders do you know who do not use mexican labor?


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im a superintendant for a union drywall, tape and paint company. 100% of my drywallers and tapers are mexican. its pretty sad when people say that mexicans are cheap labor but that is not the case for a union company. a journeyman hanger makes 33.32 an hour. then add roughly 10-15 for benefits and another 5-7 in workmans comp. so wheres the cheap labor ?

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And you wonder why union projects cost so much, $60.00 gross to hang drywall is a little steep dont you think? How many boards per man per hour get hung? In the real world you get paid per board not the hour, whats the incentive to get things done? Famous union saying, "Cost Over Runs". http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[SamLBInj]

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Another interesting tidbit was that if Bush passes this law 10-22 MILLION new people will be eligible for healthcare. Think of the welfare increase as well. Just who the (fill in the word of your choice) do you think will pay for that? Yep. WE WILL!

Ahhhh, makes you want to hmmmm!

Rick H.


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I think anyone that wants to become a citizen should have to serve 6 years in the military first with the first 2 years extensive english courses and the last 4 on the front lines. If you want to live here and suck up the Bennies you should put your life on the line for at least 4 years to earn it. Lets see if there willing to die for there new country like a real American.

[71-LS6]

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im a superintendant for a union drywall, tape and paint company. 100% of my drywallers and tapers are mexican.99% of my painters are white. i know that all my hangers and tapers are legal, the union makes sure of that. they pretty much cater to these guys because they know that they only stay in this country for about 7-10 years and then go back to mexico, leaving behind all the money they put into their retirement funds fattening up the union officials retirements. thats why the laborers and carpenters unions are the highest in the country for retirement funds !!! its pretty sad when people say that mexicans are cheap labor but that is not the case for a union company. a journeyman hanger makes 33.32 an hour. then add roughly 10-15 for benefits and another 5-7 in workmans comp. so wheres the cheap labor ?

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I believe the operative term regarding cheap labor is, illegal. I would make a gentleman's bet, that you probably have a few men also, who are not legal?

[Rick H]

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Lets see if there willing to die for there new country like a real American.

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I would bet you 10:1 they would leave like rats scrambling off a sinking ship.

Rick H.

[jeff morocco]

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And you wonder why union projects cost so much, $60.00 gross to hang drywall is a little steep dont you think? How many boards per man per hour get hung? In the real world you get paid per board not the hour,

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i agree 100% thats steep. that is why we cant compete with the non union companies. i would love to pay per sheet hung.your average 2000 sq ft house is about 260 sheets. and i think they get about 7 bucks a sheet to hang it.thats about $1800 vs about $3900. how can we compete with that ? and as far as us having illegals working, who knows these days. they probably all share the same info anyway. but how does one get a drivers license and alien card and social security card without going thru proper channels. they cant be in the union without any of those things.we must submit them at time of hire.

[GOAT72]

Today I got a phone call that would put me over the top for the next 3-4 months, meaning that I can no loner complete all the work that is coming in. I enjoy keeping it simple and working alone as a craftsman.
Now it looks like I'm going to need a carpenter, a helper and a paint foreman and 2 workers/trainees.
(I'm not complaining!)
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

So I ran an ad for help; "must speak English, must be legal, must have driver's license and vehicle."

I made it clear that I don't and won't hire illegals or those who chose not to speak English.

If every contractor, landscaper and factory owner demanded at least a green card, none of this would be happening.

BTW: I can make a nice profit with good American help and I can help fellow Americans put food on their table. Will I hire a Mexican, Cuban or other immigrant? Sure, as long as they're legal and are learning English. They'll be paid the same as the other employees too.

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[Chevy454]

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but how does one get a drivers license and alien card and social security card without going thru proper channels. they cant be in the union without any of those things.we must submit them at time of hire.

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Those are easy...and they all have them, legal/illegal or otherwise...we've shipped a few unfortunate illegals home to Mexico here in the last couple of years, and they all had a smorgasborg of ID paperwork...but none of it was government issued.

[WILMASBOYL78]

If you can get fake buildsheets, protecto plates, window stickers, VIN stamps, etc.....then personal ID's are no big deal. Same motivation though, MONEY! Sad, isn't it?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif


wilma http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[budnate]

I used to be a open minded guy even when I was bus'd in the 70's, Seattles bright idea was to bus all the white kids to the other end of town and vice versa for them...well that didnt make anyone love the other guy anymore,...and you guys have pretty much coverd all the issues to a T...I have found that basically I am so p'd off about it all I act basically like a red kneck, oh well...the thing that really fries me the most, is we now have to conform to help them get around the systems...delete option number 2 please!!!

[SamLBInj]

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I have found that basically I am so p'd off about it all I act basically like a red kneck,

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Is that the same as a Red Neck? Git R Done!... Nowadays the African American population is more racist than the whites. How about the BET network? How about the NAACP? they would be up in arms over a WET network or NAAWP and there are others, Ebony Magazine, Soul Train, ect.. If they would let it go it would probably end..The old racist generations of the 50's and 60's are so feeble they probably dont remember anyway. Maybe I live in a non racist area and dont understand but I do understand illegal Immigrants and most are Mexicans and it has to be dealt with. Im done ranting, if you want to read this again press 1 for english... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif