1969 Camaro SS 396/L78 (396/375HP) pics and info

[joey]

1969 Camaro SS 396/L78 (396/375HP) pics and info
Rare 1969 Camaro SS 396 Norwood Code X66 with Protect-o-plateChevrolet: 1969 Camaro Super Sport, L78 (396/375HP) with Protect-o-Plate and 3 owner title history

Miles: 50,835 Doors: 2 Door
Engine: 8 cyl Interior: Black
Warranty: None Exterior: Red
Title: Clear Year: 1969
Condition: Used VIN Number: 124379N653402

Now to the car. As you can see, the car was built in Jun 1969. The original engine with T0417JH on front engine pad (Protect-o-plate) and matching VIN # adjacent to the oil filter is the “original” engine. The block casting #3955272 with a build date of D149 (Apr 14, 69), left cyl head cast #3919840 dated C289 (Mar 28, 69). Right cyl head casting #3919840 dated C289 (Mar 28, 69). The original intake with new holley correct 4346 carb. The exhaust manifolds are GM correct casting, non-smog. The 12 bolt posi casting BV0505G per “pop” in car. The M21 Muncie close ratio transmission P9E07, has been replaced with a M21 close ratio dated P9H20B. The original Hurst shifter in car. Bell housing 3899621.

The car is code 52 (Garnet Red) with black hockey stick stripes, code 66 super sport trim package, interior is code 711 black standard bucket seats (original interior in good condition) with new carpet. Original shoulder harness with Irwin Air decals attached. The car has a very detailed frame on restoration, with all new sheet metal, either GM NOS or Goodmark replacement. The paint is absolute show condition, Cowl Induction Hood and complete air cleaner package. Brakes are J52 power disc, with correct proportion valve under drivers door, correct rally wheels with Firestone Red line tires, new exhaust system and new Delco shocks.

VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: This is rare 1969 Camaro SS L78 Norwood built code X66 true survivor. The car is an unbelievable straight, original optioned car with the following: The car has the original protect-o-plate with the 1st owner’s name and information on purchase from Carl Schmidt Chevrolet, Inc. in Perrysburg, OH on July 31, 69. The Dealer’s emblem (Carl Schmidt Chev) is still attached to trunk area. Car was sold to 2nd owner in 1976 and was not sold again until Feb 25, 2006. Protect-o-plate and 3 owner title history accompanies sale, also, original owners manual and Delco battery tag

Protect-o-plate Information:

124379N653402 H
T0417JH BV0505G 6
P9E07 133 1

Cowl Tag Information:

Body by Fisher

ST69 12437 NOR 344406 BDY
TR711 52 52 PNT
06A X66

asking price before auctioning $80000
http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/camaro_012.jpg http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/DSC00075.JPG http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/ebay_069.jpg http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/camaro_017.jpg

[joey]

my contact info [email protected]

[Hotrodpaul]

Wow! T0417JH, same engine build date as my 69 SS L-78 Camaro, but my build date was 04C. My original block was lost in the early 70's due to a dropped valve, I have been looking for another T0417JH block for awhile. GM must have assembled a batch of engines that day since yours was built several months after mine.

Can you post a close up of the P-O-P and engine stamp pad? Thanks,

Paul

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

That's a nice POP!

[joey]

I will post more pics of stamping and pop this evening when I get home thanks

[olredalert]

--------How are those power brakes working??? Seems like the pedal might be a bit stiff........Bill S

[joey]

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--------How are those power brakes working??? Seems like the pedal might be a bit stiff........Bill S

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lol great eye http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif they work great now that I hooked up the vacume line http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[joey]

http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/engine_vin_015.jpg http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/engine_vin_005.jpg http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/engine_vin_003.jpg http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/engine_vin_008.jpg http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/camaro_014.jpg http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/camaro_015.jpg http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/camaro_025.jpg http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/last_camaro1_002.jpg http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/last_camaro1_005.jpg http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/last_camaro1_007.jpg http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/last_camaro1_008.jpg

[Hotrodpaul]

P-O-P says T0417JH but block is stamped T0415JH, something is not right. The VIN stamp is out of focus so it cannot be verified. Here is a pic of my P-O-P for reference.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/Hotrodpaul86/DSCN3336.jpg

Paul

[WILMASBOYL78]

POP doesn't match engine..how is that possible http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

wilma

[BARRY]

GM NEVER MADE MISTAKES

[joey]

I will posta better pic of vin
it wouldnt be the first or last mistake gm made

[joey]

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GM NEVER MADE MISTAKES

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Wana bet on that?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Francis http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[joey]

Additional information for Engine Identification

A question was asked about the front engine stamp (T0415JH) and the Protect-o-Plate Engine ID of (T0417JH).

The following information is provided:

- Engine casting date D149 (14 Apr 69)

- Engien VIN# stamped next to oil filter reads 11N653402. In the stamping, the number :40: is within a small raised up circle cast in the block. If, the block had been decked to restamp another VIN# the raised up circle would have been decked off. NOTE! VIN on engine appears to be original.

- Vehicle VIN last 5 are 53402.

- After talking to Mr. Tom Clary (Yenko Club) his recommendation is to post the above information. The facts are: none of us were there to see the engine stamp. (Unknown, did the person not reset the date?) or at the dealers when the Protect-o-Plate was typed in by a salesperson. (Did he see a 5 instead of a 7?) to have just the 2 day disparity between pad stamp and Protect-o-Plate could be "Human error." Without doubt, the car, Protect-o-Plate and titles that accompany the care are a true L78. It's an exceptional, unmoleted true 396/375HP car. The car is available any time for inspection by any member to verify the above, or you can call me at 937-470-5970.

[joey]

sory I mistyped vin human eror http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif correct engine vin is N1153402

[mockingbird812]

joey et al.,

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif I have seen numerous examples of disconnects between Chevy docs and car stampings on legitimate, known cars with good histories and no shenanigans. I am no expert to be sure and do not suggest that I am authenticating this car. I am merely stating my observations. Mistakes did happen on the line when cars were stamped (misread, forgot to advance the ganged stamp, etc.) and when POPs were created. To think this didn't happen is to be fooling yourself. Yes, we would all like to have all of our cars perfectly documented with no glitches, questions, anomolies, etc. and setting such standards is terrific. But, you could be missing out on some terrific rides.

Good luck, Joey! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Mr70]

Francis Chevrolet @ 9191 St. Charles Rock Rd.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/Rick_Peters/downersfri0006.jpg

[Hotrodpaul]

Rick, did Francis Chevrolet move down the street at some point. I wonder why my P-O-P would show a different address? I have talked to the original owner and he confirmed buying the car at Francis Chevrolet. Also, my car is missing the Francis tailpanel emblem so if someone has one I would be interested.

Paul

[Mr70]

I think they did move later to your location.
That picture was taken last year at a local cruise
from the back of a Chevy II,and was authentic from
it's original selling dealer.

[Charley Lillard]

Part of the problem is the pic of the engine pad stamping is not clear enough to see the broach marks. You need a camera with a macro setting.

[joey]

camera is ok its operator error http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif we are working feveroushly (reading the manual http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif)to resolve the problem

[TimG]

I've had POP's with incorrect information on them. One original owner car had a POP with a completely different rear end code and date on it and the rear in the car matched the tank sheet and was correct. It was the original POP. I wouldn't discount everything because of this error only. The picture of the stamp isn't clear enough to tell anything.

[lowmile]

Joey, here is a pic of a 70 Nova 375hp/396 block you can se the broach marks pretty well. Were these engines stamped before or after the installation of the heads? m

[joey]

here are the engine stamping of vin notice the numbers in the circle I am sure there is no way these could be changed they match the vin and pop thanks and sory it took me so long to figure or at least half way figure this camera out thanks to all who have helped the car goes on ebay sunday if not sold before http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/good_VIN_pictures_003.jpg http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/good_VIN_pictures_004.jpg http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/good_VIN_pictures_005.jpg http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/good_VIN_pictures_002.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

You found the macro setting. Now if we can get a pic that clear of the stamping at the front of the block....

[WILMASBOYL78]

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Joey, here is a pic of a 70 Nova 375hp/396 block you can se the broach marks pretty well. Were these engines stamped before or after the installation of the heads? m

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Mark, that date is the same as my 70 black 4psd car....11/25/69 CKO I guess the Buffalo boys were busy that day..

wilma http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[joey]

top stamping I used a scuff pad to remove paint so you can see good http://www.streamload.com/wjoey/micro_burst_engine_code_003.jpg

[southernfriedcj]

Joey, did you just sell a Green '69 Chevelle SS?

Jim

[joey]

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Joey, did you just sell a Green '69 Chevelle SS?

Jim

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no I only have two camaros and two dodge coronets

[joey]

CAR GOES ON EBAY AT 8PM PST MONDAY NIGHT 04/10/2006
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4630033411

[firstgenaddict]

Shouldn't the VIN derivative on the block read
19NXXXXXX
(1) representing Chevrolet
(9) Year ie 1969
Then the vin?
Also has anyone ever seen an engine block casting date and assembly date that are 1 day apart? Could that be done?
Cast, broached, machined and assembled in one day? I don't know... Just asking the question.
The Warranty folder looks a little too white.
I convert and sell that type of paperboard and at that time there were not as many optical brighteners, the whole bleaching process at that time was different than what is widely used today. The pulping process at that time was acidic (which causes the paper to yellow and degrade) and now it is alkaline (much more stable). They used Chlorine Dioxide now it is elemental Chlorine free (ECF), hell I have rolls of paper that have been in my warehouse for a year or two and are not that white. Even when you cut down into the roll they are off colored.
For the price the car and the paperwork should be bulletproof.
For about $100 I can get the paper tested...hmmm

[southernfriedcj]

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Joey, did you just sell a Green '69 Chevelle SS?

Jim

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no I only have two camaros and two dodge coronets

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10-4. I just sold a Challenger T/A and there was an SS on the transport. The guy said that the SS came from a guy that had a Camaro like yours, and it was for sale.

Jim

[joey]

oh ok, what transport company was it I may know who owns the chevelle ss

[Kurt S]

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For about $100 I can get the paper tested...hmmm

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OK, so what kind of tests can they do on paper (not just paperboard, but also sheet)?

[Born30YrsLate]

light it on fire and if it burns up it was real... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[Lynn]

[ QUOTE ]
Shouldn't the VIN derivative on the block read
19NXXXXXX
(1) representing Chevrolet
(9) Year ie 1969
Then the vin?
Also has anyone ever seen an engine block casting date and assembly date that are 1 day apart? Could that be done?
Cast, broached, machined and assembled in one day? I don't know... Just asking the question.
The Warranty folder looks a little too white.
I convert and sell that type of paperboard and at that time there were not as many optical brighteners, the whole bleaching process at that time was different than what is widely used today. The pulping process at that time was acidic (which causes the paper to yellow and degrade) and now it is alkaline (much more stable). They used Chlorine Dioxide now it is elemental Chlorine free (ECF), hell I have rolls of paper that have been in my warehouse for a year or two and are not that white. Even when you cut down into the roll they are off colored.
For the price the car and the paperwork should be bulletproof.
For about $100 I can get the paper tested...hmmm

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Yes, the VIN derivative on the block should read 19Nxxxxxx, but this isn't the first I have seen messed up.

As for the one day spread, I don't know. I did have a DZ block cast on Oct 3 and assembled Oct 5, so I know two days is at least possible, even if not the norm.

Lynn

[bwag]

The red Camaro for sale came from the dealership that I worked and raced for. You'll notice it was ordered for stock,we always had a bunch of H.P. in stock to sell.

[Paul D]

Is the car in Dayton, OH or Georgia?

[Xplantdad]

Isn't this the same car? Click Here (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/183103/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1)

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[joey]

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Isn't this the same car? Click Here (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/183103/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1)

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ]lol
no just same url where I store my pictures now this is too funny these two cars are not even close to being alike

[joey]

actually its in beaver creek ohio

[joey]

180 watching my auction this is going to be interesting http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif 5 people want to fly in and buy it now but I don't know ?If it sells or not I will still be happy

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Xplantdad]

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Isn't this the same car? Click Here (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/183103/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1)

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ]lol
no just same url where I store my pictures now this is too funny these two cars are not even close to being alike

[/ QUOTE ]Yea..I figured that out after I posted that....just saw the same car, that's all http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[59fuelie]

I would like to respond to the issue of the casting date and the engine stamp being one day apart.Being a corvette guy, I've seen this before in engines produced in Tonawanda. If you reference Alan Colvin's Chev By The Numbers {1965-1969] page56, you will see that its possible to have the same casting date and engine stamp on the same day. Notice on that page, the engine stamp and suffix code is applied at Tonawanda during the assembly line build up. And, if you think it takes longer than a 8 hour shift, the you have never visited a GM plant.

[joey]

thank you 59 fuelie! the car and paper work including the pop have now been authinacated by Jerry Mcneish

[mockingbird812]

Congrats! Smart move. That ought to get some attention on your car now. Good luck.

[enio45]

What does it cost for Jerry to come and verify a car and paperwork?

[Stefano]

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thank you 59 fuelie! the car and paper work including the pop have now been authinacated by Jerry Mcneish

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Joey,
Did Jerry render an opinion in the engine stamping as well?

[joey]

yes as I said he authinicated the car that includes engine seats and all else and he said that it was the right motor we are getting smog stuff corect alt and dist for it and a few things to check on he said thats all it needs and was really impressed to see origional interiour unmolested car this well kept

[joey]

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What does it cost for Jerry to come and verify a car and paperwork?

[/ QUOTE ] you would have to contact mr jerry for that info I will say he is very fair in his pricing and knows his camaros

[joey]

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Congrats! Smart move. That ought to get some attention on your car now. Good luck.

[/ QUOTE ]I guess were gona keep it and enjoy it for a while its just like money in the bank only better