P.O.P. on ebay

[jeff morocco]

now all you need is the warranty book that it came on and your all set!!!!

P.O.P. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevelle-65-66-67-68-69-70-GM-P-O-P-PROTECT-O-PLATE_W0QQitemZ8055318231QQcategoryZ6763QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem)

[joey]

what a crock !some crook will buy it and say they hava a one owner Newly documented copo
ps also sounds like this guy has done this before

[Alss]

This is only the tip of the preverbial iceberg. I have seen transmission tags being reproduced, faked buildeheets. window stickers, restamps out the wazoo..buyer beware comes inot play more now than ever...thanks E=bay http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

ALbert

[nuch_ss396]

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This is only the tip of the preverbial iceberg. I have seen transmission tags being reproduced, faked buildeheets. window stickers, restamps out the wazoo..buyer beware comes inot play more now than ever...thanks E=bay http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

ALbert

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Albert,

Case-in-point! http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/73%5F1.jpg

I spent nearly seven years finding an original CX coded
THM400 for my L/78 Camaro. Too much time, too much money
to buy it, but you all know the story...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

Now, up pops a reproduction CX ID tag. Just grab any THM400
and you are off to the COPO races....... http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/emoticons/at%20wits%20end.gif

I don't apologize for eBay, but it isn't their fault. They
are a business and trying to do what we all do. Make lots
of money. They could do a better job policing their ranks,
but that is another story for another thread.... http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/emoticons/argument.gif

Steve

[Allen]

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...thanks E=bay http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

ALbert

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I disagree. Thieves, crooks, swindlers, and the like have been around for ages. They always find a way, a means, or a forum to try and scam people - whether it is via phone, mail, Ebay, in person, other websites, whatever.

If you inadvertantly buy a bogus restamped Corvette part at the Chevy Vettefest, is the Vettefast the bad guys? Or the actual seller?

Blame it on the scammers, not on some website like Ebay. They can't police everything that is listed and they don't have the knowledge anyway. There's just too much there.

You said it.... buyer beware. It's always been that way, and always will. We all have to educate ourselves well enough to catch a scam before it catches us.

Once Ebay goes away, thieves will find some other method. What did the Nigerians do before email? Now they try email to scam people, is it the fault of the inventor of email? (probably Al Gore invented email too..... maybe it's his fault? That's funny right there... I don't care who you are...)

Anyway, my point of that rant is to suggest that the finger be pointed at the thieves responsible, not to shift the blame to someone else (Ebay).

Allen

[Les Quam]

Fraud regarding certain GM muscle has been around forever. Technology has greatly enhanced the proliferation of this fraud. It's hard to make a case that big block Chevy's are not the best running muscle ever built. But Pontiac with PHS and Ford with the Marti reports and SAAC with the registry offer a lot more security at the current price level of these cars. My two cents.

[tirebird]

I agree with Les, to some extent. Fraud has been around for a long time and EBAY is just the latest venue for scammers. However, EBAY does have a duty somewhat to police it's own site. Remember all those sites that hosted illegal file sharing? The Supreme Court ruled unanimously that those websites can't turn a blind eye to crime. EBAY monitors it's site for all kinds of illegal activity; child porn, Nazi memorabilia, endangered species, stolen goods, etc., so they have the means and the duty to watch out for obvious fraud.

[king_midas]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. They're all clones... If they're not, then what difference does it make, because buyers don't care.

The days of the barn-find holy grails, or the rusted and abused '69 RS/Z in a guy's driveway for $3500 (which I passed on in 1990, by the way) are essentially gone. There's too much money involved to think that sellers aren't aware of values, and that people aren't motivated by profit, making some bent on screwing each other on cars, parts, any associated crap, etc. because of the dollars... You can thank your friends at e-bay for making any point of sale a world-wide market; coincidentally, the same people that make cloning a Camaro so easy.

To take it even further, the nice clones (or as I've recently seen them called-- "Tributes" or "Recreations", terms which I feel are both somewhat funny) are often better than the originals because the initial cost for the car that a person starts with is less, so you have more money for cloning bits.... Nobody wins. Or, everybody wins, if that's what side of the fence you're on...

Why is this? Because excellent originals are not driven as they were designed to be, if at all, and those that were driven were used cars by 1980, and were all trashed by 1985. I saw it with my own two eyes. I was with my neighbor when he threw a rod somewhere north of 7K in a red '68 Z that his dad bought for him. It was fun while it lasted... A guy in town had a white '74 SD Trans Am that was totaled in a snowstorm. A guy I knew had one of those stupid chrome "foot for a gas pedal" things in his '66 SS Nova. I don't know what happened to that car, but I can only imagine that it's no longer with us from what I remember. My friend John hit a guardrail with his '70 1/2 Cortez Z-- Totaled. Other than crapping my pants most of the times I was in that Z, the last thing I remember about it was seeing a half-eaten McD's hamburger in the rear package shelf and laughing about it. Then it was no longer with us. They were just used cars... Cars that happened to be cool, fast, and desirable to any kid my age that had a few bucks, and away they went. Think about it...

So what's left for the non-dollar endowed that can no longer afford the stupid prices for originals? You said it-- Clones, or pieced-together backyard specials that you don't want anything to do with.

When I saw the original blue Hemi Road Runner trade for significantly less than the Hemi "Recreation" on your favorite testosterone convention (Barrett-Jackson), I said to myself-- This hobby is now officially stupid...

What does this all mean? It's solely one person's opinion that all of this is what it is. Unfortunately, all of these things are bad for the hobby if you paid too much for an original and/or care too much. If you have the money and/or don't care, more power to you.

If the people on this board didn't think so or don't care, then they wouldn't post about this stuff here. I guess it's all part of the love...?

[jeff morocco]

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Think about it...

So what's left for the non-dollar endowed that can no longer afford the stupid prices for originals? You said it-- Clones, or pieced-together backyard specials that you don't want anything to do with.

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its okay by me to make a clone/tribute car as long as you dont take that "extra" step to do so. what i mean by that is there is absolutely no reason to change your cowl tag/re stamp any parts and now make your own P.O.P. add your stripes and badges and be done with it !!!!

[Alss]

EBAY is just the latest venue for scammers. However, EBAY does have a duty somewhat to police it's own

This is what I meant by my E-bay comment. Its so easy now to advertise and market ones wares via the web and E-bay.It used to be a guy in a tent at the local swap meet pawning his knock offs to a couple of unsuspecting buyers but now its gone all 50 states and world wide. It has become a true buyer beware market and a very fine line is being drawn between being what is "correct" on a genuine car and being a clone on one that is not. I think the law of supply and demand has taken over. If its wasnt needed or wanted it would not be available or desirable to some...and I dont see it ending anytime soon http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

ALbert

[joey]

Honestly in my opinion who really cares what whoever buys this plate does with it a pop a paper or a stamp doesn't make a car or make it more desirable to me I look at the car ,drive it ,look it over good and decide if I want it if I get paper work that's fine and if I don't that;s fine too I buy cars because I like em you cant drive a pop or squeal rubber with a piece of paper and you cant cruise down the road and turn heads with a owners manual

[RamAirDave]

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its okay by me to make a clone/tribute car as long as you dont take that "extra" step to do so. what i mean by that is there is absolutely no reason to change your cowl tag/re stamp any parts and now make your own P.O.P. add your stripes and badges and be done with it !!!!

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I agree with Jeff here. My own definition of "clone" probably isnt what most consider to be. Clones are one thing, retagged/stamped cars are in a whole different category. The clones look and act like the real thing, but a quick #s investigation will show that it is not the real deal. The tagged and stamped cars are meant for only one reason.....

dave

[joey]

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its okay by me to make a clone/tribute car as long as you dont take that "extra" step to do so. what i mean by that is there is absolutely no reason to change your cowl tag/re stamp any parts and now make your own P.O.P. add your stripes and badges and be done with it !!!!

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I agree with Jeff here. My own definition of "clone" probably isnt what most consider to be. Clones are one thing, retagged/stamped cars are in a whole different category. The clones look and act like the real thing, but a quick #s investigation will show that it is not the real deal. The tagged and stamped cars are meant for only one reason.....

dave

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I agree

[Johnny Horsepower]

Ditto http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif