What is this 69 Original Paint Z28 Worth

[firstgenaddict]

FIRST OF ALL IT IS NOT FOR SALE
44,900 miles,
Original Engine missing,
X33 04C car.
Endura bumper. extremely nice sheetmetal and mint original interior. Missing most original engine parts (smog intake carb, etc) everything else is there. NO RUST
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[camarojoe]

Well if its not for sale, then i guess it would be "priceless" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Maybe its just my computer, but the pics all are so big I can't hardly tell what I'm looking at. Can someone resize a couple and repost them?

[ktownkid]

I grabbed one Joe.........think my dial-up computer tossed a rod though.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/ktownkid/aaa.jpg

[BARN FIND]

I would say that one is worth a little less than this "original paint , original engine" Z...

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b327/Barnfind/DaleZ2006.jpg

[firstgenaddict]

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[RamAirDave]

Pretty cool car, for sure.

But if I can ask a question. Why start a thread asking what it's worth if it's not for sale? Just asking.


dave

[firstgenaddict]

[ QUOTE ]
Why start a thread asking what it's worth if it's not for sale? Just asking.
dave

[/ QUOTE ]

Because I don't want a flood of PM's or emails asking if the car is for sale.
The sale is being negotiated between 2 private individuals and I was asked to take a look at the car.
The description I recieved was fairly accurate with the exception of the missing original engine.
Had the DZ motor been there the deal would have been done.
We figure that the lack of the DZ kills the value by at least 10k the way the car sits now... I am just trying to put a fair value on the car.

[Redneck]

I'll step up to the plate and give my 02. If the car was indeed a numbers car, without looking a conservative estimate 40K +/-. But since it looks like everthing is wrong under the hood I would say 25K is a good number.

[Jeff H]

Looks like a decent combination but original paint doesn't seem to add too much value in this case since it has a lot of rusty areas underneath and the engine and Z28 parts are gone. It's very tough to put a guesstimate on something like that without seeing the paint condition in person. But my point of view is that the car looks like it would still need to be restored to clean it up properly so original paint doesn't help. I'd agree with the $20-25K range.

[427TJ]

So how many PMs have you gotten trying to break up the deal? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Since it's an RS Endura with good colors inside and out (black/black), this car could go to $50K in a bidding situation.

Get a DZ engine off of eBay, add a repro X-ram and "JL8" brakes, and this could be another one of those crazy-money Zs you see at B-J. Well, "crazy money" today will probably look like a real deal in 10 more years.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[mockingbird812]

All original paint, Z bars, original parts missing, and prettiness aside (I think I can actually smell the mustiness), what a cool day 2 look with the traction bars, and cool stickers. Doesn't get much better than a Tuxedo Black/RS Z. How 'bout a shot of the cowl tag?

[firstgenaddict]

I did not take one of the cowl tag... I looked at it and then just never even thought about it again.
Rest assured (I know ya'll won't) the cowl tag is legit and has never been touched, it is a:

711 10 10
04C X33

[DWCamaro69]

Well if you watch ebay you recently saw a restored Tuxedo RSZ but an LA car, color change, NOM go to $60K and not meet reserve. I would say this car would fetch $70K restored with a date correct DZ302 being that it is a 10 10 X33. So figure out resto costs backwards from $70k and its worth..... nothing...LOL... I would say it would bring $35K as is if it was put on ebay. Just my opinion and worth just what you all paid for it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Oh and if the person buying it backs out send the seller my e-mail: [email protected] http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[ChevyThunder]

That RS Z in tuxedo black with the argent grill looks sooo nice when fresh . Highly desireable color that yo don't see often . That car even NOM is worth 25-30k .

[TimG]

If someone really took their time and cleaned everything by hand over the course of a few months or so, I think that the car could be very presentable. The car in clean, presentable condition would overcome much of the replacement engine loss of value. My theory is that if a car has it's original paint and interior in good condition, chances are that the car was pretty well cared for.

[firstgenaddict]

Here is the story as told by the current owner...
The car was bought by the owners father when it was 6 months old. The father passed in the mid 80's and his daughter got the car, it sat for a few years and then the grandfather asked to bring the car to his house (you following? Who's on first? ) and he bagan to drive it this was the early 90's. The car was then parked in the grandfather's basement in 1994 where is sat for the last 12 years. The Grandfather passed away and her uncle told her that the car was hers and to come get it. Which she did 2 weeks ago.

[Denis]

From the looks of the engine compartment and the traction aids, I'd have to say Granddad would have been a pretty interesting guy to hang out with.

[Hotrodpaul]

Just curious what the last 6 digits of the VIN are. My L78 is an 04C car with serial 634182.

Paul

[firstgenaddict]

it is 63????
I didn't write it down.

[mrrec]

A black RS/Z with what looks like good orig paint for $30k? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif
I'd lean much more to the $50k neighborhood even without the orig engine. I think there are a couple of people here that would give that - present company included. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
Dave

[firstgenaddict]

Well the car is sitting in the garage now...
Shupe (Redneck) was by in his lemans blue 68 Z almost before we could get the car off the rollback.
I was under the car and the tape is still on the subframe bushings... who wants pitures of what?????

[DWCamaro69]

More pics of anything would be cool but I am curious about things like what the paint condition is under all the dust, etc. It didn't look to bad. What are your plans for it?

[firstgenaddict]

The passenger front fender has been painted, and the passenger quarter has been painted from the breakline to the crest, but that is it.
A guy who worked for MacNiesh was here last night until after midnight going over it piece by piece, he thought that the originality was one of the biggest pluses for the car. The paint is of course checked, not too awfully bad, it will be more than presentable and we will probably just blow in a few places that are checked badly.

[firstgenaddict]

I tried to open a photobucket account it kicks me out everytime. I set my borwser to accept all cookies and then tried again... still won't let me.
I followed Xplant's instructions to the letter. Can anyone figure this out.
There is no error messages...it just boots me to the first registration page. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Xplantdad]

Hey James...That sounds weird? I know that sometimes when signing up they ask you if you're interested in visiting other sites...if you don't choose to/ or not to...it bumps you back. Look at the bottom of the registration page after you completely fill out your info...there's a link that says something like "No, I'm not interested...finish my registration"...It's really small...and you have to look for it.

Let me know if I can be of any help. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[firstgenaddict]

Washed
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4830/69z28original1376fc.th.jpg (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28original1376fc.jpg)
Cowl Tag
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/577/69z28original0970513063ro.th.jpg (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28original0970513063ro.jpg)

Spring Tag
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/8166/69z28original1336ci.th.jpg (http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28original1336ci.jpg)

Rad Rag
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3318/69z28original1100513065lp.th.jpg (http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28original1100513065lp.jpg)

Tarboard Divider
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6922/69z28original1150513068rf.th.jpg (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28original1150513068rf.jpg)

Trunk Weatherstrip Orange Mark /
Also check out the tape job for the stripes... Remember these were production line cars.
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/2835/69z28original1180513061pp.th.jpg (http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28original1180513061pp.jpg)

Do you want more?
What else?

[firstgenaddict]

Tire Pressure Decal
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/6286/69z28original0640513067oy.th.jpg (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28original0640513067oy.jpg)

Subframe Brake Valve
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8496/69z28original0700513068br.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28original0700513068br.jpg)


Front Edge of Hood …Check out the Stripes
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7636/69z28original0250513067qm.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28original0250513067qm.jpg)

Factory Phosphate on the Hood hinges
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6025/69z28original0160513062so.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28original0160513062so.jpg)

Jacking Instructions… is this VE3 (Endura) specific?
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1064/69z28original0340513067um.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28original0340513067um.jpg)

Wiper Motor Sticker
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6664/69z28original0120513064nz.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28original0120513064nz.jpg)

Trunk Latch and lack of paint coverage.
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2816/69z28original1310513069fa.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28original1310513069fa.jpg)

[DWCamaro69]

Great pictures, thank you!

[firstgenaddict]

Rear seat divider
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/5795/69camarooriginal001web8mk.th.jpg (http://img271.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69camarooriginal001web8mk.jpg)

taking it down... ohhhh X3 on the metal seat support

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/9071/69camarooriginal012web8ru.th.jpg (http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69camarooriginal012web8ru.jpg)

http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/4445/69camarooriginal013web8ag.th.jpg (http://img271.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69camarooriginal013web8ag.jpg)

Rear Floors
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/9848/69camarooriginal006web9ps.th.jpg (http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69camarooriginal006web9ps.jpg)

[Tommy_Mathison]

Any pics of the tape on the subframe bushings?

Tommy M.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

[ QUOTE ]
Any pics of the tape on the subframe bushings?

Tommy M.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ditto, would like to see a pic of this often discussed detail. Did the Novas get the same tape treatment?

[firstgenaddict]

Amazing what a little compound will do.

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/7088/69z28originalcleaning025web4pn.th.jpg (http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28originalcleaning025web4pn.jpg)

Pass side from front
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/8505/69z28originalcleaning033web5or.th.jpg (http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28originalcleaning033web5or.jpg)


Shoddy repair job in the 70’s
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/5023/69z28originalcleaning039web6by.th.jpg (http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28originalcleaning039web6by.jpg)


Tape on pass side rear subframe bushing
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9984/69z28originalcleaning060web9sg.th.jpg (http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28originalcleaning060web9sg.jpg)

Another
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/7621/69z28originalcleaning075web0uy.th.jpg (http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28originalcleaning075web0uy.jpg)


Pass side engine compartment
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/59/69z28originalcleaning040web5oy.th.jpg (http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28originalcleaning040web5oy.jpg)


Driver side under hood
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/3854/69z28originalcleaning042web5cn.th.jpg (http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28originalcleaning042web5cn.jpg)

White overspray from white out in the wiper well
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/14/69z28originalcleaning013web7du.th.jpg (http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28originalcleaning013web7du.jpg)

[firstgenaddict]

Cleaned the engine compartment last night here are some pics
BLACK on the firewall..
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/223/69z28cleaningpics002web1jj.th.jpg (http://img464.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28cleaningpics002web1jj.th.jpg)

Check out the phosphate on the hood release... it was under some bug bomb black that had been sprayed to make the rad support "look better"
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/2166/69z28cleaningpics009web4sc.th.jpg (http://img464.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28cleaningpics009web4sc.th.jpg)

Look at the black on the firewall... and the overspray from the white out in the cowl.
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/5422/69z28cleaningpics008web2tg.th.jpg (http://img464.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28cleaningpics008web2tg.jpg)

[firstgenaddict]

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7829/69z280602060446yc.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z280602060446yc.jpg)
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7513/69z280602060519tb.th.jpg (http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z280602060519tb.jpg)

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/2816/69z28original060206031rj.th.jpg (http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28original060206031rj.jpg)

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/913/69z28original060206050ne.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28original060206050ne.jpg)

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http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3932/69z28original060206043bo.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28original060206043bo.jpg)

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6180/69z280602060595zg.th.jpg (http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z280602060595zg.jpg)
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/4761/69z28original060206080wy.th.jpg (http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28original060206080wy.jpg)

[Hotrodpaul]

If that rear is a BV0417G2 it was made the same day as my 69 Camaro SS L78 car (04C build).

Paul

[firstgenaddict]

Yep... Paul this one is 04C as well.
Vin 633599

[BillD]

Great car! Thanks for sharing the pictures. Keep the pictures coming.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Nice detail shots, thanks http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Steve Shauger]

Very nice unrestored car. You may want to consider having it certified through our Vintage Camaro program at the Camaro Nationals next year. We will be certifying 4 cars this year. Thanks for sharing the detail pics... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[firstgenaddict]

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/831/69z28original060506002vd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[427TJ]

Are those American TTOs or Vintage 40s? They look GREAT!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif x 100!

[firstgenaddict]

Brand new TTO's, For the money you just can't beat them.
Wheels Tires Mounted and Balanced with tax $1582.00 at Discount Tire.

[mockingbird812]

Discount had bias ply Goodyears?

[firstgenaddict]

The salesman ordered them and had the wheels and tires ready to go with-in a week.

[firstgenaddict]

Check out the lack of factory paint coverage.
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5108/69z2806132006013web2qu.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z2806132006013web2qu.jpg)
Another
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1942/69z2806132006018web7cq.th.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z2806132006018web7cq.jpg)
Phosphate and stripe details on upper valence
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3465/69z28original061320069du.th.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=69z28original061320069du.jpg)

[enio45]

What did you use to clean the firewall so that you did not ruin the markings or finish underneath? Real neat photo's!

[firstgenaddict]

enamel reducer...
It works like a champ... won't harm the laquer paint on the car or frame. Just go slow with paper towels or rags.
I got the paint off of everything the same way... I tried a few inconspicuous places at first then went for broke.

[firstgenaddict]

The paint is not all that bad... it has laquer checks and a few thin spots but overall it look pretty good.

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/6943/003569zweb9ip.th.jpg (http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=003569zweb9ip.jpg)

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/3584/000169zweb8fy.th.jpg (http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=000169zweb8fy.jpg)

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/1664/006569zweb9ov.th.jpg (http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=006569zweb9ov.jpg)

[427TJ]

What a gorgeous car. Wheels/tires were an excellent choice. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif x100!!

[firstgenaddict]

Thanks... I will have to admit that I never really was a fan of 69's but a black RS/Z with the cowl hood, endura bumper, and spoilers really looks good... I would take it any day of the week.

[MosportGreen66]

Where did the motor go?

Nice RSZ28! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[SuperNovaSS]

I bet some people are changing their $$$ figures now http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif. Nice car! Who needs an original engine to prove its a Z if you have original paint!


Jason

[firstgenaddict]

The original block could be in a local town... we are currently looking for it and are generating leads.
We have fouund out through someone who knows the car that the crank pistons rods were all put into the 0010 that is currently in the car.
The clutch exploded at some point and ripped a hole, punched another hole in the floorboard not to mention the dents in the trans tunnel... could have torn up the back of the block???
I am sure that not too long after is when the scattershield was installed.

[firstgenaddict]

The engine compartment almost back to original...
http://www.crossroadspaper.com/69_Z_08.07.06-005web.jpg
http://www.crossroadspaper.com/69_Z_08.07.06-007web.jpg

The interior... all factory original parts... carpet seat covers, seat belts, no reproduction parts here.
http://www.crossroadspaper.com/69_Z_08.07.06-008web.jpg

http://www.crossroadspaper.com/69_Z_08.07.06-013web.jpg

[firstgenaddict]

http://www.crossroadspaper.com/39.jpg

http://www.crossroadspaper.com/40.jpg

http://www.crossroadspaper.com/41.jpg

http://www.crossroadspaper.com/44.jpg

[firstgenaddict]

Some more cleaning... the floor pans and gas tank were covered with carbon/soot from open headers and a rich mixture. Used easy off oven cleaner...
http://www.crossroadspaper.com/059.jpg
http://www.crossroadspaper.com/060.jpg
The 80 in the right upper corner. It was on the top of the heater box as well. Is it a sequence number or line number?
http://www.crossroadspaper.com/061.jpg
http://www.crossroadspaper.com/066.jpg
http://www.crossroadspaper.com/062.jpg
http://www.crossroadspaper.com/063.jpg
http://www.crossroadspaper.com/064.jpg
http://www.crossroadspaper.com/065.jpg

[MosportGreen66]

what did you use on the engine compartment?
Looks GREAT!

[firstgenaddict]

Cleaned everything with enamel reducer. Then coated with spray cosmoline from Rick's. Did the same with all the suspension as well.
The only thing left to clean is the floor board section from the firewall to the Rear axle. (the first layer of sirt is gone but needs to be brushed with some degreaser)
Here is another pic of the engine compartment, put the 2605 that was on the pass inner fender and the BLACK on the firewall.
Still want to find a few more good original parts vs. the repro stuff.
http://www.crossroadspaper.com/052.jpg

[budnate]

looks good...toss the washer bottle and find a old yellow piece.

[firstgenaddict]

Exactly... Rick's sent 2 by accident and I have poured all kinds of chemicals in the second one trying to get it to yellow up some. (If anyone has an old bottle, I will gladly trade a brand new GM one for it)
I also found some used tower clamps and I am going to remove the new intake bolts for the originals that I cleaned. Found an older 515 voltage reg to install.
Few more things but overall it is coming together pretty well.
Parts needed Link (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/219361/an/0/page/0#219361)

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
I have poured all kinds of chemicals in the second one trying to get it to yellow up some.

[/ QUOTE ]

Looks like there's a need for old yellowed washer bottles! I predict they will be soon be coming up on eBay with hefty price tags! Rats, I need one too. I guess I'll have to use the new, too-white repro since the correctly-aged pieces might be out of my price range. Maybe someone can start a business that makes new repros look four decades old? Maybe fill it with ice-tea and set it out in the sun for a few weeks, then bake it in the oven on low heat so it doesn't melt? Just brainstorming here... (Yeah, small brains shouldn't try to brainstorm.)

[firstgenaddict]

Already tried tea... EXTRA strong and scalding hot... no dice! Coffee... No dice.

[427TJ]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

Let me know when you discover the secret formula and I'll have you "age" one for me.

[budnate]

you want the secret....fill up a old metal folgers can with water can let it get good and rusty...pour into bottle let sit, shake every day...you now will have one nasty mess...but you wont have aged the outside.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[firstgenaddict]

What if you submerge the whole thing in rusty water?

[budnate]

try it...we can sell the secret to the corvette dorks... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[ANDY M]

Fill it up with Coke. Let it sit for a couple of days. The phosphoric acid in Coke can dissovle human teeth.
Warning: it might turn it more brown than yellow.

[68l30]

Thanks for the washer bottle discussion...Got me thinking again..Were the factory bottles ever that white? I replaced my old one due to the yellow tint and used a GM white bottle...I'm starting to like the yellow tint more and more..I know the yellow tinted one was correct but was it aged or did it just "come that way"...???


Steve

[mrrec]

The washer solvent reservoirs were white. Here's one that is untouched and just starting to yellow at the center molding seam.
Dave

[68l30]

Thanks...You made me do a double take on that pic...I thought it was my car! I've had my replacement GM bottle on for close to 20 yr...No fade yet! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif


Steve http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[firstgenaddict]

LOOK I "found" a yellowed washer bottle! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

http://www.crossroadspaper.com/071.jpg

[budnate]

ok...but we need a closer pic before we decide if it is yellow enough....... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[firstgenaddict]

Bud, is this one better???

http://www.yenko.net/photos/uploads/260/69_Z28_black_08_24_06_020.jpg

[Born30YrsLate]

[ QUOTE ]
ok...but we need a closer pic before we decide if it is yellow enough....... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
what's it filled with?...

[firstgenaddict]

It's empty.... there is absolutely nothing in it!

[budnate]

still to bright...I have/had a '69 unit, cant find it...I think my pal sold it at the swap meet for a .25... I have a new one here somewhere also, I have a idea let me see if I can wreck it...

[njsteve]

Check out this amazing ebay find! You may have to sell the car (to me) to finance this baby. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/224136/an/0/page/0#224136

[firstgenaddict]

Started putting the engine together last night... here are a few pics of the pad, casting number and date....
put the 1178 crank in and then the damn ring compressor broke... POS from China... will be back at it this weekend. Girlfriend comes first tonight... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/V0409DZpad.jpg

http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/618Castingsmall.jpg

http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/D_7_9_castingDate.jpg

[njsteve]

[ QUOTE ]
Started putting the engine together last night... here are a few pics of the pad, casting number and date....
put the 1178 crank in and then the damn ring compressor broke... POS from China... will be back at it this weekend. Girlfriend comes first tonight... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif


[/ QUOTE ]


Why, does she have a working ring compressor in her toolbox? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[firstgenaddict]

OMG I just spit coke all over the keyboard... that's a damn good one Steve... maybe it's in the Coach Handbag I bought her for Valentines Day... it sure is big enough... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[njsteve]

[ QUOTE ]
OMG I just spit coke all over the keyboard... that's a damn good one Steve... maybe it's in the Coach Handbag I bought her for Valentines Day... it sure is big enough... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

I was trying to figure out a way to write it without it sounding too perverted. Oh well...

I do have my 35 year old Craftsman ring compressor if you really need to borrow one. It has worked on many a small block Chevy, half a dozen 426 Hemis and I even taught my daughter how to use it when we were putting together the 455-HO. She's gonna make some car guy a happy man some day. He better be rich, though. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[firstgenaddict]

I am actually going to buy a good one tomorrow. Ring compressor that is... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

The girlfriend has no idea what a crankshaft or ring compressor is... I was telling her about what we were doing and she listened very intently then I said "do you even know what I am talking about" to which she replied... "I have no idea" unfortunately I know this too will change... it will be... you are messing with a car again... at least she knows what I am laying under http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[3macs1]

[ QUOTE ]
LOOK I "found" a yellowed washer bottle! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Man if you guys need yellow washer bottles just ask your friends up north. I don't know if it was the cold or what but yellow is the common color. I cannot find white ones.That one in the picture is white to us. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[waynemiller]

James, I have a DZ block that is 2 days from yours. Mine is V0411DZ, D109, 3956618 casting number. The vin number on it I can't read. I wil post a pic later on.

I also have a V1I14DZ, K78, 3932386 casting number with 19N557648 vin number on it.

My 69 is a Feb Car 02D with 9N613224 vin number. I have owned my Z for 30 yrs

Wayne

[firstgenaddict]

Steve,
Told the girlfriend the story about the ring compressor and she laughed so hard, also told her that I knew eventually the feigned interest in automobiles would wane... she gave me a real serious look as she nodded her head in agreement.

James

[firstgenaddict]

Wayne the VO409DZ has no VIN on the oil filter boss, I have searched and searched but cannot find even a trace of a number...

[waynemiller]

James, I can't find a vin on mine either. I attached a pic of the front pad. My other DZ block has a vin stamped on the front pad in front of the DZ code. The DZ looks like a double stamp, all the other codes on the block indicate it was a 302.

Wayne

[firstgenaddict]

That is correct... the early DZ would have it on the top pad... the change over was around January for the Norwood cars and a few months later for Van Nuys.

[firstgenaddict]

We buttoned up the bottom end last night... She is looking real good http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif... and the DZ looks good as well Steve...
We're gonna put the heads and intake on today... if I could get my hands on a clutch we might be able to get the engine back in place tomorrow...
Got a new set of Hooker Super Comps that are matte black Jet Hot Coated... along with a chambered system... can't wait to hear her screaming... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[BillD]

James, Good idea on the matte black coating on the headers. The car should have a great vintage look with them on. It would be nice to see a photo of how they look.

[firstgenaddict]

Really wished that Jet Hot did a white matte coating... like the older ceramic coated headers.. but the matte black was the next best option... the silver and gloss black and other colors just would not fit with the vintage Patina and Day 2 look of the car. If you want a pic of the headers as they came out of the box I will post one later today... getting ready to go pick up a clutch and gasket set so we can put the heads on later this afternoon.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[njsteve]

BTW, have you replaced the original rubber brake hoses? Originality is one thing but those original hoses do not last. The may look OK but after 38 years they won't hold the pressure during a panic stop.

I know from experience: I had a front brake hose blow out on a Z11 I had back in 1980, and those hoses were only 11 years old at the time. Forget about the theory that dual master cylinders will divert the fluid to the rear system. Dont bet your life on it! It was quite an adventure: no brakes trying to stop the car as it went down a hill, picking up speed to about 100 mph, on a tree lined road, threading the needle through a four-way intersection with a red light, past a school as the buses were pulling out. I was only able to stop as the car crested the next hill, with the emergency brake jammed all the way to the floor. I was 17 at the time and I have never ignored my brake lines again.

Oh, and listen to your mom about always wearing clean underwear. I definitely needed a new pair after that...and a new seat cover as well.

[scuncio]

If you want your headers coated white, look no further - Swain is one of the best in the business: http://www.swaintech.com/store.asp?pid=10969

[firstgenaddict]

Yep replaced the hoses immediately... one thing I am not going to mess around with is the ability to stop a ton and a half of metal...
Brakes are essential... LOL used to think differently... older and wiser now though!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[firstgenaddict]

Put the heads on but couldn't get a correct set of intake gaskets nor could I get a clutch today... so the engine will have to wait to be reinstalled for a few more days... or a week... will post the photos of the assembled block and the headers in a little while!

[njsteve]

[ QUOTE ]
Yep replaced the hoses immediately... one thing I am not going to mess around with is the ability to stop a ton and a half of metal...
Brakes are essential... LOL used to think differently... older and wiser now though!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Same here. On the T/A I carefully removed the originals, noted the markings and then put them in plastic bags for posterity. Even the original date coated fuel and emission lines as well. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[firstgenaddict]

Oil Filter Boss
http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/Oil_Filter_boss_web.jpg

Dates on the 186 Heads
http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/186_heads_web.jpg


http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/Assembled_DZ_web.jpg

http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/DZ_Shortblock_Onehead_web.jpg

Jet Hot coated Super Comps

http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/Hooker_Super_Comp_JH_web.jpg

[firstgenaddict]

After a few week hiatus dealing with the GF's car wreck and other LIFE CRAP... we got back to the important stuff this afternoon...
http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/PICT1090.JPG

http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/PICT1092.JPG

Gonna adjust the valves and put the intake, water pump, and harmonic balancer on before painting the engine we may try to put her back in tomorrow... I would love to Fire it tomorrow... we'll see http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[joey]

now thats a motor nice car too by the way

[joey]

loking good I will try and get pic of trunk mat for you tomorrow

[firstgenaddict]

Can't wait to fire it off...
I just love the sound of a wailing 302....

[GM GUY]

wow

[Dave Rifkin]

Looks nice; will those roller rockers fit under the stock finned valve covers?

[firstgenaddict]

Have to knock the drippers off... and may have to use 2 gaskets contact cemented together... I will know in about 2-3 hours... will report back then.

[firstgenaddict]

You have to knock the drippers off and use 7/32 felpro cork gaskets...

Here are a few pics of the assembled engine... painted and ready to go...
We painted it like the factory did...
Pascoe's 18k mile car....
http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/533/medium/Z39B.jpg

The engine for the Black Z
http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/PICT1098.JPG

Photos of low mile HP SB... <<<<NOTE THE WAY THE EXHAUST PORTS WERE MASKED>>>>
http://www.chevynova.org/LT1_Engine/lt1_033.jpg
http://www.chevynova.org/LT1_Engine/lt1_019.jpg

The Black car's engine
http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/PICT1096.JPG

Finally with the headers on it...
http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/PICT1107.JPG

[427king]

[ QUOTE ]
Have to knock the drippers off

[/ QUOTE ] 1969 did not have drippers..

[firstgenaddict]

Yep... I know but the covers did have drippers to keep from galling the stock rockers... needle bearings no worries though...

[firstgenaddict]

Right where she belongs....
http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/PICT1113.JPG

http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/PICT1115.JPG

[firstgenaddict]

Here is a vid just at the end of the break-in...
69 RS/Z 302 Break-in (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxLt0Biy4s8)

[PJH]

This car is a money pit to bring back to life....assume it will become someone's personal project and take a few years to complete $20K tops!
The market has slowed and real prices have not increased over the past yr on non collectable quality cars.

[njsteve]

[ QUOTE ]
This car is a money pit to bring back to life....assume it will become someone's personal project and take a few years to complete $20K tops!
The market has slowed and real prices have not increased over the past yr on non collectable quality cars.

[/ QUOTE ]

Mr. PJH, I imagine your comment is just an April Fools joke. That or you have no real clue that some people actually enjoy preserving historic cars by using their own hands and efforts and not by just throwing cubic yards of money at someone else to do it for them while they sit in their office building somewhere watching their stock portfolio fluctuate.

Have a nice day.

[Xplantdad]

Couldn't have said it better Steve...that comment came from WAY out in left field...

Is it a full moon tonight? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[Bill Pritchard]

[ QUOTE ]
Is it a full moon tonight? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Nope, that's tonight, Bruce....but it was pretty close last night. PJH??? Sounds more like PMS. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[firstgenaddict]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif I don't need to justify the collectability of the vehicle, the standing offers and invitation to the Vintage Certification program at the Camaro Nationals have done that...

[mockingbird812]

James - don't pay any attention to this fellow. He is merely attempting to get a rise out of you. No question the desireability of your fine ride.

[firstgenaddict]

Really I beleive it now must have been an April Fools prank... 20k LOL I am so gullible... The GF gets me all the time as well...

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]
Really I beleive it now must have been an April Fools prank... 20k LOL I am so gullible... The GF gets me all the time as well...

[/ QUOTE ]

Mr. Hultzapple registers in 2004...and his first post is on April 1st, 2007...LOL http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Rainer]

[ QUOTE ]
Really I beleive it now must have been an April Fools prank... 20k LOL I am so gullible... The GF gets me all the time as well...

[/ QUOTE ]

Do a search on "PJ Hultzapple" - this is a real person in Lancaster, PA as the profile states. And he has sold muscle cars. I don't think its a prank.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[ChevyThunder]

I have a Van Nuys Z that Jerry Mac checked out and it is all original down to the spiral shocks and points in the distributor...paint not in as nice of condition as this car but optioned real well.. I cannot beleive the offers I get on this car. 20K .. April fools is right ! All I can say to that guy is... "what's the oposite of above me "?

[COPO427]

[ QUOTE ]
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

Let me know when you discover the secret formula and I'll have you "age" one for me.

[/ QUOTE ]

I hear piss will turn it yellow. Maybe gasoline? I read a guys white plastic army men turned yellow from his cat pissin on them.

[MosportGreen66]

James... I have an honest question and do not intend to be malicious in any way.

The photo you posted a picture of is a low mile LT1 block pulled from a wrecked '70 Z (If I'm not mistaken). What evidence do you have that enables you to conclude the DZ302 you restored from your Z28 was painted in the similar fashion to the LT1. I am not saying the motors were or were not painted in the same exact fashion, I do not know which is why I am asking.

With all of the surviving '69 Z28's around (my old car, KP's old 22k original mile car, the burgundy car I posted photos of a year or so back) why did you chose to replicate the paint off of an LT1 instead of a 302? Can you lead us to the source that explains the similarities?

Like I said before, I hope this is not rude because that is not my intent. I very much commend you on your efforts -- have done so in the past and will continue to do so. Thanks.

-Dan

[firstgenaddict]

No offense taken... The photo of Pascoe's 18k mile car were not very noticeable as to how the exhaust ports were taped although if you look very closely you can see the squares... I used the photo of the LT1 (I thought was from a Vette, but could be mistaken myself) because it was clearer and taken closer... the photo of the taped line on the waterpump is from Pascoe's car... I will also admit I used WAY too much paint... especially on the back of the block and the bottom of the pan... LOL

Check out the middle exhaust port...
http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/533/medium/Z35.jpg