Take a look at this reported L/78

[nuch_ss396]

I saw this 69 L/78 Camaro on eBay and I was amazed that it
hit $77,000.00 with no VIN, POP, or cowl tag info offered.
No mention of the build date either. Odd thing is that it
has N/66 wheels and a ZL/2 hood. Those two options weren't
available at the same time, were they? Sweet looking car
though.

Steve

RS/SS L/78 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4648106054&sspa gename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT)

[Hotrodpaul]

Who knows, in two or three years documented 69 L78 Camaros could be at the 100K mark the way they are going. Nice documented 69 Z28's are already at 50K - 60K and they made FIVE times as many. Unreal.

Paul

[GM-26]

You would think after such an extensive restoration, the rear "SS" emblem wouldn't have been mounted upside down.

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/209479-28_3.jpg

[nuch_ss396]

Nick!

Good eye! I missed that one....

[69motion]

isaw that to nick ihad to look twice

[Classic Muscle]

You guy's living under a rock or something??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif L78's with this criteria have hit the 6 figure mark sometime ago. and Z28's in this condition 50k http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif have you seen the latest Z28 sales? Just sold one for 150k where are you looking tell me please i will pay 50 to 60 all day long for a concourse # matching paperwork Z28.
NUCH If you are so amazed it hit 77k why were you e mailing us asking for more pictures saying you were a buyer??? trying to copy the details??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[mockingbird812]

"NUCH If you are so amazed it hit 77k why were you e mailing us asking for more pictures saying you were a buyer???"

Nuch stated clearly in his opening post that he was amazed that it hit 77K because of a lack of basic info in the ad (i.e. no trim tag info or documentation, etc.) Apparently, Classic Muscle, he emailed you because of the lack of information. Whether he was a buyer or not is irrelevant. You as the seller had missing information in your ad and it appears he was coaxing you for it. What's the big deal? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif The real question is - why was this basic info missing from your ad? Provide the info (or don't) and move it along. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Classic Muscle]

Well Thanks for answering for NUCH!!!
But sorry he didn't ask for any of that information and all the bidders that did got their answers just like any real purchaser would http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Guess that's why the car did what it did but darn went so Cheap http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
It's all relevant

[Late BrakeU2]

Provided it was as billed,I think the buyer did very well.jmo

[69motion]

just love hugger orange cars what a car
jeff http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif <font color="orange"> </font>

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
You guy's living under a rock or something??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif L78's with this criteria have hit the 6 figure mark sometime ago. and Z28's in this condition 50k http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif have you seen the latest Z28 sales? Just sold one for 150k where are you looking tell me please i will pay 50 to 60 all day long for a concourse # matching paperwork Z28.

NUCH If you are so amazed it hit 77k why were you e mailing us asking for more pictures saying you were a buyer??? trying to copy the details??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Classic Muscle,

First of all, I did contact you about the Camaro in question
as I wanted to know if it was the original CX
coded transmission. Also, I asked you to send me more
images showing the carburetor, throttle &amp; kickdown
linkage. All of which you kindly did. BTW, I was
considering purchasing this car. Is that not the normal
course of doing business on eBay or elsewhere?

And yes, I was amazed at the price simply because as I
clearly stated in my initial post, this car showed NO
documentation in the auction. That was clearly the only
thing I could see missing and just a little strange for a
car of this caliber, I thought. Don't take it any other
way. If I had something to say, I would have said it.

Lastly, as to you question about me "copying details", I
don't even know how to respond. I own an original L/78
Hugger Orange 69 Camaro and I can assure you I know a
great deal about these cars. My car lost it's original CX
THM400 many years ago and I recently acquired another one.
I have been doing 10 years of research on my car, so I really
don't need to copy yours. But thanks for asking. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

I'd suggest you re-read my initial post as it did not
challenge your integrity, just the lack of documentation.
It was a valid question. One, I might add, that gets
raised by many of us here - often.

It appeared to be a very nice car none the less. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

Steve

[Classic Muscle]

Thanks for the reply Steve!
Well if you had looked at the pictures we posted the paperwork pics on the auction and as far as any detailed one's no i will not send them to anyone unless they have a deposit on the car as there are too many internet scams today.
I appreciate your interest and i undersatnd you doing research on your car and asking for the kickdown pictures etc.I have no problem with people that need help with their research just let me know thats what you are doing.
Thank and good luck with your car!!!

[njsteve]

[ QUOTE ]
no i will not send them to anyone unless they have a deposit on the car as there are too many internet scams today.

[/ QUOTE ]

You're kidding right? There's no way I would ever consider sending a deposit on a car if I did not have the information up front in order to verify that 1) it was a legitimate car and 2) you actually had possession of it. I can use your exact words as the reason: "as there are too many internet scams today."

I would suggest you lighten up a bit, as most educated buyers will be asking for this info on any high dollar car in this Caveat Emptor world we live in. As a dealer you should understand that.

It is a beautiful car. Maybe it would have hit the six figure mark if the documents had been presented in a readable fashion for a prospective buyer to examine and make an educated decision based upon all the facts.

[Classic Muscle]

Nope not kidding!!! anyone who is interested in any car is always welcome to come and inspect the car and any documentation that a car may or may not carry. Obviously my serious bidders and customers have received what they asked for.If you wouldn't send a deposit for a car that you were wanting to buy to a reputable liscensed dealer then obviously you would not be serious and that dealer would not waste thier time with you!!!
Even Steve got exactly what he requested whether i felt he was a buyer or just doing research he got is request answered within minutes!!! and his pictures and anyone that asked for documentation that was a bidder on the auction got it!!!
So implying that because someone does not post all information or detailed pictures of the paperwork makes the car questionable gives people the wrong idea so if you are not a buyer and do not have interest why waste anyone's time http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Too many Guru's and scam artists collecting people's paperwork and #'s for the wrong reasons without hard proof of anything.
If you want the paperwork or the info BUY THE CAR!!!!!!!
Put your money where your mouth is. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[njsteve]

I am referring to what YOU said in your own previous reply: "I will not send them to anyone unless they have a deposit on the car as there are too many internet scams today" -That is what I was commenting about, nothing more.

I'm not trying to sound high and mighty but from my experience (about 30 years worth, with musclecars valued far higher than $76K) when someone refuses to send me copies of authenticating documents unless I send them money first -that's is a red flag for fraud. I don't know many people out there that would bother traveling to look at a car if the seller refused to send any basic documentation unless I sent him money first.

If you sent the info to the interested bidders that requested it, that's fine. That is a far different position than what you just indicated in your above response. I hope whoever you sent the info to was able to make an educated decision based upon that material. And since the car sold for a price you deem reasonable, it looks like they made a good purchase.

[Classic Muscle]

Well pics were posted of the paperwork and anyone that requested it received it.Sure when you do not know who you are dealing with not sending money is a great practice but when you are dealing with a reputable dealer who welcomes you to come and inspect your purchase a deposit is always required to hold any vehicle with an offer or almost anything for that matter.I have been in business almost 20 years now and have received deposits on every vehicle i have sold so i guess there are people that are willing to do it and we have made 100's of people happy buyers http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif I guess if you don't know anyone who would not put a deposit on a car to hold it before looking at it you have not looked that hard or checked lately hundred's of Muscle car buyers each day do it for a fact!!!

[ssl78]

By any chance are you guys the dealer that sold the gold with white painted top COPO Camaro that was at Mecum's auction in St Charles last fall.

[njsteve]

There is big difference between requesting a deposit to hold a vehicle pending an inspection (a quite normal business practice) and demanding a deposit before you will send any documentation. How about clarifying once and for all, for everyone, which you do? And then we can close this thread.

[Classic Muscle]

NOPE didn't have a Gold COPO wrong dealership!

Thanks for the great CHAT http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[njsteve]

[ QUOTE ]
If you want the paperwork or the info BUY THE CAR!!!!!!!
Put your money where your mouth is. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Ya'll didn't think we'd get an answer, now did you... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Classic Muscle]

Ya'll got your answer way back!! If Ya'll knew how to read.

[njsteve]

No, we just thought we'd give you a chance to clarify the two different statements you made. But you're absolutely right, we got your answer loud and clear. By the way, I hope the buyer wasn't basing his purchase of the car on the "original window sticker" you posted the miniature copy of on the sale website. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
No, we just thought we'd give you a chance to clarify the two different statements you made. But you're absolutely right, we got your answer loud and clear. By the way, I hope the buyer wasn't basing his purchase of the car on the "original window sticker" you posted the miniature copy of on the sale website. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

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[nuch_ss396]

Hey guys! IT"S BACK!!!

Has codes listed this time....

L/78 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-RS-SS-L78-69-RS-SS-396-375-L78-Rotisserie-restoration-1_W0QQitemZ110003072589QQihZ001QQcategoryZ6161QQrd Z1QQcmdZViewItem)

[67 GTO]

Pictures are smaller this time around?? Kind of odd that someone would bother downsizing them, especially after having re-listed it so soon...

[njsteve]

Interesting how it "sold" for no reserve with private bidders and then gets relisted a week or two later. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Xplantdad]

Steve, wasn't this the guy that went back and forth with you a week or so ago? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[firstgenaddict]

If it were correct and authentic wouldn't this be the earliest known cowl hood car? besides the COPO's?

[njsteve]

[ QUOTE ]
Steve, wasn't this the guy that went back and forth with you a week or so ago? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Yup. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Rick H]

Looks like he got a little carried away with the black firewall paint. Top of firewall should be body color under the cowl panel. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Rick H.

[firstgenaddict]

Chrome tail pipes were never available with factory chambereds. Not available till mid May. The front stripe should have 2 pinstripes all the way to the end. The short pinstripe ended in November. The door strikers and trunk latch should be painted orange. For the price the car should be near perfect.

[KevinW]

Pics are too far away to tell, but I think this RS does not have the headlight washer soleniod on the wiper motor. Also, I wonder if the deluxe interior is on the window sticker, cause the trim tag has standard interior.