JL8 Crossram Z on Ebay

[m22mike]

Check out the thread on this Z28 over at Team Camaro. Bogas trim tag.
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=86663

[Lynn]

Just don't understand why anyone would remove a legitimate X33 tag to put on a fake X33 tag. Hope he at least saved the original. However, once it has been off the car..... the car will always be questioned. Probably does not care what we think as bidding is over 70k.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I think the TT removal is a common practice among the restoration crowd. The tag is quite fragile, and if the car will subjected to agressive treatment, sometimes it makes sense to remove it for safekeeping. I left mine on, but covered it with duct tape. In hindsite, it probably would have been smarter to remove it http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[rsatz28]

I think GM has been again an unwitting partner in what we are seeing today.

I believe that GM should have required that repo parts that have been "blessed" by them, have a special designation in the part number to indicate a repo part.

Do you think this would have hindered the ability to clone cars and pass them off as originals?

[Oxford]

I had a car restored by a very well known company that not only removed the Trim Tag, but they put a fake tag on the car. They didn't even get the info right. Needless to say I am in a bitter fight with them right now... be very careful with who you do business with and make sure you ask questions. If I had known this was thier pactice I never would have used them. They won't even return my original trim tag to me.

[nuch_ss396]

That has to be as illegal as hell! Don't let them get away
with that or it will happen to others too. BTW, how did you
determine that your original trim tag was replaced? Less
the original to compare against, how did you make the
connection?

[Oxford]

I have owned the car for 15 years or so and I took detailed pictures on the car before sending it to them. I have several pictures of the original trim tag on the car. Needless to say I won't even take the car out to local shows. I am quite embarrassed / pissed. This Company is supposed to be one of the best and I have seen lots of thier cars at shows and for sale and I will always question thier work/ethics. I can't say more until my issue is resolved but be very careful. I know other members on this site have used them to restore cars or bought cars from them.

[Oxford]

I will post the name of the company when I reach a settlement with them. There is no worse feelign than having real car forever questioned beacuse some idiots doing a restoration took your real tag off and replaced it with a fake.

[Hylton]

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Just don't understand why anyone would remove a legitimate X33 tag to put on a fake X33 tag. Hope he at least saved the original. However, once it has been off the car..... the car will always be questioned. Probably does not care what we think as bidding is over 70k.

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One of our members can shed light on this since he was the one who restored the car. Why was the trim tag changed Mark? Where is the original TT?

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
I will post the name of the company when I reach a settlement with them. There is no worse feelign than having real car forever questioned beacuse some idiots doing a restoration took your real tag off and replaced it with a fake.

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I'm still confused over why they replaced the tag with a
fake one? Were the codes identical? Was incompetence
or fruad the reason for the switch?
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif
Steve

[Oxford]

I am confused too. There was no reason for the removal or change. I have pictures of it before I sent it to them and when I got it back it was a different tag. They messed up the body number on the repop tag. The fake tag was easy to spot and I knew as soon as I looked at it. They have not given me a straight answer as to why it was removed or replaced with a fake tag. My lawyer and I have confronted them with the evidence and they want to settle but with a non disclosure agreement.

[SuperNovaSS]

Do you think they were planning on using your real tag on a fake car?


Jason

[Lynn]

Is the P.O.P. offered with the Orange "cross ram" car an original, or is that a repop?

[SMGCO]

I second Lynn. Why would anybody remove a trim tag from a legitimate car and take a chance on putting the car's authenticity in question ? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Lynn]

Surely someone here can tell us if the P.O.P is an original. The address is suspicious for two reasons. That ZIP is Greece, NY, which is a suburb of Rochester. I realize in some suburbs, mail will arrived addressed to either. However, there is no 714 Long Pond Road. The closest home is 724, built in 1969, and it sits on 5 acres, making me wonder how there could be a 714.

Look here: http://www.zillow.com/aerial/DualMapPage.htm?zpid=30931967

Please understand, I am NOT saying it is a fake P.O.P. but would sure like an opinion from one of the experts here.

The only P.O.P. I ever owned got pitched into the circular file since I believed it would never be of any use. As Mickiey told Rocky Balbo: "Shrewd".

[Hylton]

Lynn,

Mark Eisen restored the car. He is a member here. He should be able to answer any questions.

[Mark_C]

I don't know if the POP is real or not, but it is correctly coded for the options on the car, and it's been in existance since at least 2002.

[nuch_ss396]

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I am confused too. There was no reason for the removal or change. I have pictures of it before I sent it to them and when I got it back it was a different tag. They messed up the body number on the repop tag. The fake tag was easy to spot and I knew as soon as I looked at it. They have not given me a straight answer as to why it was removed or replaced with a fake tag. My lawyer and I have confronted them with the evidence and they want to settle but with a non disclosure agreement.

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Settle with a Non-Disclosure Agreement! I've been down this road
before and it almost always protects the guilty. Think long
and hard about signing an NDA as you won't be able to alert
anyone ( us included ) of the details. I for one do want to
know why they switched the tag so I never run into such a
quandry myself. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

If you sign an NDA, we'll never know the details. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif