L78

[DM69SS]

Was anyone able to get any #'s to track this when it pops up for sale? I got no response.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...S%3A112&id= (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270010138242&sspagenam e=ADME%3AB%3AWNA%3AUS%3A112&id=)

[427TJ]

Did I miss something in the text? Why is the wrecked car white and the before-wreck car and the wrecked clip yellow?

[69SSRSL89]

It's the same car just a black and white picture that has been scanned. I beleive that he mentioned that in the Q and A section on the bottom of the auction. What a project though. That would be a ton of work. Good luck the the winner.

Jesse

[Supergas990]

I can't imagine that amount of work to save what was an L78 Camaro.http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

It can be sad, but there comes a time that type of car needs to RIP. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

All he listed in the ad was the TT data. That can be changed easily enough though. I wonder what the magic $$$ is for the motor from his "friend"??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

Blair

[DM69SS]

For the guys who keep this info - I was able to get the vin.
124379N596486. Should be interesting when it resurfaces.

[Justbad Joe]

Wonder who's yenko camaro got the rearend?

[70CitrusZ]

Thats a lotta money for a big block cowl tag and hidden vin section.
I feel sorry for he poor sap down the road that buys the cobbled up fake-stamped engine vestage of a once proud car (before geek-boy greeked an international.)

[DM69SS]

wooooow. Look what that sold for!!! Time to comb the junkards!

[WILMASBOYL78]

This is the classic example of what this hobby has become......and it stinks! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

wilma

[quick-bowtie]

I cant believe that is real money!! Thats CRAZY there was nothing left.

[L78steve]

Buyers beware.

[Supergas990]

I just saw the final price...http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

I wouldn't have paid 10& of that, even if he'd have delivered it. How much will that resto cost, if a body off on a complete car in o.k. condition is $50K-$60K???

IMO, that's stupid money!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif
Blair

[427TJ]

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that's stupid money!!!

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Just wait until the "new" Daytona Yellow/black L78 '69 with these tags sells at Barrett-Jackson 2009 for 100K or more!

[70CitrusZ]

So lets keep a look out 6 mos to a year away for a "yellow/ blk L78 low mileage numbers matching 3rd owner garage kept rustfree frame off restoration mint all original" version of that sorry scrap-pile vin number.

Sad thing is, it will probably end up going through an auction somewhere, or a private sale, and no one will get to flag it.
I'm sure that at that point, if confronted with this info, the new owner will have claimed to have miraculously bought all the original numbers matching parts and the original back half too so, even at that someone is still sure to get ripped.

Now, I suppose there is the remote possibility that the owner will be totally honest about the cars history, but I really doubt he plans to do that based on the dollars paid for the vin tag, unless he is prepared to lose money, or wait for muscle prices to quadruple.
You know, it really wouldn't be a problem as long as the seller/owner of the car once done, advertised it as a "re-body", but since I've yet to see any car advertised in this manner, I really doubt it.

Its stuff like this that really increases the value of original unrestored cars in my opinion.

...Think of how many cars get bought and sold and cobbled that we do not find out about.......

[JQ]

This makes my stomach turn. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[JChlupsa]

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I just saw the final price...http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

I wouldn't have paid 10& of that, even if he'd have delivered it. How much will that resto cost, if a body off on a complete car in o.k. condition is $50K-$60K???
IMO, that's stupid money!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif
Blair

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This is where the New Repo Shell comes into play. All the partial VINs are right there so they get welded into the new shell.

[jus4funn68]

His ebay history shows he has been purchasing 69 Camaro parts for some time. Wonder if his project now is going to turn into an X22 L-78?? His return may be way more than the 10K he spent if he switches the tags. Not accusing him, just thinking...

[nuch_ss396]

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I just saw the final price...http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

I wouldn't have paid 10& of that, even if he'd have delivered it. How much will that resto cost, if a body off on a complete car in o.k. condition is $50K-$60K???
IMO, that's stupid money!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif
Blair

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This is where the New Repo Shell comes into play. All the partial VINs are right there so they get welded into the new shell.

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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif Jeff, This is exactly what scares the crap out of me! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

At a final proce of almost $10,000 - you know what's going
to happen here. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[70CitrusZ]

Do we have a "forum" or thread devoted to stolen vins, scrap vins, demolished vins etc? If not it might be a good idea.
?

[HS PROFESSOR]

So if this car was to be fixed whats the problem ??? Wrecked,rusted,stolen, its still a real big block car with a REAL TRIM TAG. If the new buyer can really track down the original motor then 10k aint so bad. Whats the value of a REAL numbers matching "motor wise" L-78 camaro 80-100k ??? You guys bitch at fakes/clones bogus trim tags ect... then complain that someone is gonna fix a real one ??? And keep an eye on that vin !!!! your right....Its gonna turn up as a real L-78 car. After all, It is isnt it !!!!!!!

ps... 10k is a little steep though.

bob

[nuch_ss396]

Bob,

Personally, I think it would be great if this car was restored. I don't think I'm alone in that thought process.

However, I think the concern is that the trim tag & VIN
will end up on a re-body and Viola - another clean L/78 found ! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[69LM1]

I also believe that there is some truth there Bob, at least about saving the car. How much metal work is too much? Who sets the standard? This is still America, and I say that if someone has the cojones to tackle this project, more power to em! How many CoPo's/Yenkos/Supercars were tubbed race cars, and are now "restored"?

As far as the crate body goes, I am a little less sure and am still "thinking" about my opinion on that one.......

my .02

Rich

[HS PROFESSOR]

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How many CoPo's/Yenkos/Supercars were tubbed race cars, and are now "restored"?

As far as the crate body goes, I am a little less sure and am still "thinking" about my opinion on that one.......

my .02

Rich

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MY POINT EXACTLY !!!


I love surviver cars 100% .....but theres something to be said about bringing a car back from the dead.And OH BOY.....is this one dead !!!

And about the re-pop body......I too am up in the air on this one. But i guess this L-78 car is the reason they make the new body's.

[70CitrusZ]

Uh...except there is no "car" to restore.
Heck. I'd like that car re-bodied or not, but If a complete original car is 100k, then I wouldn't be paying 100k for the re-body.
And when I see someone chunk down 10k for a couple of tags and 4 bucks worth of scrap, I see an opportunist, and I'd be willing to bet the possibility this car's crash history ends with him.

I'm glad someone will bring it back to life, All I'm saying is that people need to know what they are buying down the road.

[ORIGLS6]

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This is where the New Repo Shell comes into play. All the partial VINs are right there so they get welded into the new shell.

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These new bodies are painfully easy to identify. Uneducated buyers will be the victims. Sites like this, and the hobbyists and professionals that live here, are the best defense these people have. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Schonyenko2]

We fix some very bad stuff. This one is really beyond that due not only to the rust, but collision damage. Also were this a ZL1, Yenko, or high end piece, there might be room for a break even senerio. The cost to resurrect this is way higher than the value done.
The only way to do cars in this shape, in order to verify that it's the real deal is to take pictures at all phases of the work. And if you need to change a tag, have a member of law enforcement witness it. In Ia if the title has been surrendered to the state, it can never be retitled again. It's officially junked period. Good luck to the new owner.

[nuch_ss396]

Thanks for adding the "professional's" point of view.

I think this puts into words what many of us have been
trying to articulate. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

Steve

[3macs1]

Just when you think you have seen it all. Something like this surfaces. I would love to see the pictures of the restoration. This reminds me of a guy a few years back driving up to Nova Scotia Canada from New York to have a 67 "R" series ford dug up by a backhoe in a friends field to recover the tags and vin. The car rolled over and over in about 71. There was nothing left when flattened by the dozer and used as fill with some other vehicles. At least he only paid for some extra fill and sod in the end.

[Tommy]

I personally know where A 68 BB Camaro is sitting right now that was wrecked badly many many years ago and parked behind A mech shop in TN. The owner has every piece of paperwork on the car but thieves stole the VIN and Cowl tag and A few other things that were on the car.The engine was gone when I saw it but I cannot remember if he said he pulled it or the thieves took it also. I am sure these have been installed on another Camaro somewhere. The only thing they forgot was to cut the hidden vins off the firewall, they are still attached.

Tommy http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[njsteve]

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I personally know where A 68 BB Camaro is sitting right now that was wrecked badly many many years ago and parked behind A mech shop in TN. The owner has every piece of paperwork on the car but thieves stole the VIN and Cowl tag and A few other things that were on the car.The engine was gone when I saw it but I cannot remember if he said he pulled it or the thieves took it also. I am sure these have been installed on another Camaro somewhere. The only thing they forgot was to cut the hidden vins off the firewall, they are still attached.

Tommy http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

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Well, he needs to re-report that old car to the police. They can run a 50-state DMV check on it. The result: If the car was re-registered, the car gets seized and he gets a restored car back (but then he'd have to remove the VINs and replace them on his old wrecked car.

[nuch_ss396]

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I personally know where A 68 BB Camaro is sitting right now that was wrecked badly many many years ago and parked behind A mech shop in TN. The owner has every piece of paperwork on the car but thieves stole the VIN and Cowl tag and A few other things that were on the car.The engine was gone when I saw it but I cannot remember if he said he pulled it or the thieves took it also. I am sure these have been installed on another Camaro somewhere. The only thing they forgot was to cut the hidden vins off the firewall, they are still attached.

Tommy http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

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Well, he needs to re-report that old car to the police. They can run a 50-state DMV check on it. The result: If the car was re-registered, the car gets seized and he gets a restored car back (but then he'd have to remove the VINs and replace them on his old wrecked car.

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It's worth the effort doing this! Some one has to made the
example of so that the rest of the sleeze-bags know what the
result will be once discovery happens http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[70CitrusZ]

In the mid eighties I was looking at a 69 Z/28, and long story short couldn't buy it.
Cut to a few years later, its in a local wrecking yard with a pole dent half way through the car basically cutting the car in two.
The vin and cowl tags were both missing.
Anyone with a rally green, white std int. non r/s no console flat hood Z/28 from BC Canada...check your hidden vin......

[Tommy]

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Well, he needs to re-report that old car to the police. They can run a 50-state DMV check on it. The result: If the car was re-registered, the car gets seized and he gets a restored car back (but then he'd have to remove the VINs and replace them on his old wrecked car.

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I haven't spoken with him in A while but I guess I should call and talk to him about it. Maybe I should get the VIN and post it here.

Tommy

[indyjps]

seeing this car and the possibility it will get rebuilt makes the swiss cheese sagging body no floor pan yenko duece look like a dream. if i remeber correctly the opinion was the duece shouldnt be rebuilt.