uncommon copo found

[deuce-less]

scheduled for complete restoration in november of 2006
TR 716 71 71 PNT
06A X11

nicely optioned, delivered to Malcom Konners, Paramus N.J. 6/27/69, resting comfortably in iowa till november.
special thank's to Jude and Dan for the lead. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[NovaMob03]

Actually, Dan Palchanes deserves all the credit for finding this one. Glad you're happy with it & I know it'll look awesome when it's done http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Got a current picture?

[firstgenaddict]

IS that a dealer installed Vinyl roof?

[Jeff H]

Is this Dan's old old old old car? Nice combination.

[NovaMob03]

Yes, it's Dan's old copo. When he found it the only thing that led us to believe that it was a possible copo was that the bdy # was just 4 digets away from LVcamaro's copo, also from Malcolm Konners. So, it was a gutsy purchase at the time. An NICB report later proved that it did come from there. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
It's my understanding that MK added lots of dealer mods. If I remeber correctly, this car has a deluxe interior & got a vinyl top & spoiler.

[Charley Lillard]

So the body # being close to a known COPO is it or did other documentation from MK show up ?

[NovaMob03]

I also think that the bdy # was only 2 digits away from the '69 copo Chevelle featured Sept 2004. I'm unsure about any other MK doc's.
I emailed the #'s to Ed C before the NICB confirmation & his response was 'I believe that's it's one of the MK COPO's' but, to my knowledge, he never actually certified it.

[camarojoe]

How could a Camaro be 2 body numbers off from a Chevelle?

[hep1966]

I'm confused.

[COPO_Anders]

Charley, 6161x11´s bio says: "collecting and restoring documented Camaros". Beside knowing the delivery-date, shown in the first post, I also believe he knows the invoice-date. So the invoice SHOULD be with the car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[COPO_Anders]

According to Ed C. my car COULD be a Malcolm Konner car, but the NICB search turned up empty handed. My car has the body# before LV´s Camaro.
The car in this thread, LV´s Camaro, and other known MK-cars, are all well optioned. Mine isn´t.
Does anyone out there know if Malcolm Konner ordered any "plain Jane" cars for dragracing ?

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[NovaMob03]

Sorry. This transaction happened a while back & I rembered this body # being referenced against 2 other cars, LVcamaro's being one of them. Perhaps the other car was yours COPO_ Anders. Did you ever dicuss your copo with Dan P?
It makes sense to have gotten a 'plain jane' from MK or any other Supercar dealer. Not everyone wanted options or were willing to pay extra for them. JMO

[COPO_Anders]

Yes Dan and I PM´d each other a while back. He said that Malcolm Konner cars are normally well optioned, and that one of the bodynumbers between LV´s and this one (not mine) was also a car from MK.

[deuce-less]

i think if i were a dealer "in the know", like MK, i would probably order a spread of maybe 5 copo cars, say 353000, 353001, 353002, 353003, 353004 and 353005. i would equip each car a little differently, by so doing i would cover my bases for appeal to different individuals. my bias as a dealer may show up in some of the cars, such as a highly optioned copo rs, although in the end i would want to make a return on my investment. i believe that most dealers at the time enjoyed their business and had loyalty toward their car marque. jmo http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

The dealers didn't specify the desired body numbers when ordering cars, so the dealer would not know (or care) whether they ordered/received sequential body numbered cars. I'm sure it could happen, but I've seen a bunch of cars ordered by the same dealer and have a couple thousand body numbers between them. The best way to document this car is to chase down the prior owners, because the blocks of copo camaro numbers are not as defined as they are for the copo novas - making it difficult to conclude when a body is/is not a copo.

[Mr70]

Would Jim Mattison be able to shed more light on this subject?
He is bringing his L-88 Corvette to race at SCR9 in a few weeks.

[deuce-less]

owner history, nicb report, original documentation and certification all conbine to create great provenance for a copo car.

i understand that chevrolet assigned the body numbers when the cars were accepted into the system for build. many copo camaros ordered at the same time by the same dealer had sequential body numbers. i am sure there may be exceptions to the rule, i suppose that in the end you have to be comfortable with the cars history and documentation. as a side note i agree that dealers did not select the body numbers for their ordered cars. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Agreed, you have to be comfortable with the history and doc's - and of course everyone has a different comfort level with this stuff.

I'm trying to think of other clues to check. The X11 on the TT is no help compared to an X44 D80 notation, is the speedo still there - possibly a double copo with the 140MPH? The big front bar? Special hole in f/wall for the C/I hood?

[COPO_Anders]

Marlin, have you seen a bunch of 1969 COPO Camaros that were all ordered at the same time by the same dealer that had a couple of thousand bodynumbers between them ?
If I understand you right, if a dealer ordered lets say five COPO´s, the bodynumbers on those five cars would probably NOT be sequential. Even if they were ordered at the same time, right ?

I just want to clarify. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Both scenarios are possible. Sometimes a group of cars were sequential, other times they were not. I think that if a car is line with the others, it's a good indicator, but no 100% conclusive. It's a shame that NJ is so poor with title searches, as that is one avenue to find more info on the car.

[deuce-less]

i guess for some the research on a particular car is fun.
i personally subscribe to the theory that the body numbers were sequential, if the order was accepted for production
at one time from one specific dealer, it makes sense to me that the body numbers would serve as a type of purchase order number. jmo http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[COPO]

I think if the body # is right in the middle of other known COPO's from the same dealer, NICB says it came from the same dealer, and all the typcial physical clues for a COPO car are intact, then you can probably be 99.9% it is a real COPO. The difficulty being if you spend $80K on a resto and then need to sell it for some reason, it might be more challenging getting the next buyer comfortable.

[camarojoe]

Do you have an NICB report for this car?

[COPO_Anders]

Marlin, what is your experience with the 1969 Yenko Camaros ?
Do you know when a specific car was ordered, so that you can see today that cars ordered at the same time don´t have sequential bodynumbers ?

[COPO_Anders]

I don´t have any proof of it, but I have been told that bodynumber 353001,353003 and 353005 are known Malcolm Konner cars.
Is the owner of 353003 out there, and can confirm that your car came from MK ?
Or are the owners of 353002 and/or 353004 out there, and know that your cars did not come from MK ?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Hi Anders,

The short answer is 'no', I don't have any info that shows that cars ordered together have/don't have sequential body numbers. The reason is because we don't know when a specific dealer placed their orders, even though we might know that a specific dealer received 10 cars for example - we don't know the production sequence that GM decided to produce them under. The more dealers involved with ordering cars under a particular copo, the more variability - and the higher the possbility of non-sequential bodies going to a given dealer.

I'm no expert on the COPO Camaro bodies, but have studied them in some detail to determine similarities to the Nova body numbers.

[firstgenaddict]

I was thinking about this earlier and thought that if plain/standard non special order cars were produced very soon after being ordered then we should be able to tell by the body numbers approximately when the car was ordered. It seems that if you went backwards on the body numbers and found other "plain" cars with close body numbers to the COPO "groups" then we could guesstimate the order time with in a week or two.
Don't know how this might help but I was thinking on it as well.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

The body numbers are not always linear in relation to build week.

I like to use the copo novas as an example: The first 15 deuces have the earliest body numbers, and have build dates of 06A. The next 15 deuces have sequentially later body numbers, but have an earlier build date of 05D! So, the earlier build week does not necessarily indicate a lower body number - strange, but....

[firstgenaddict]

I understand that the special cars do not follow any set sequencing. What I thought was that the "normal" ordered cars may have. So after the order was accepted by fisher (body number assigned) they would have been built relatively quickly. So we could determine more or less when the COPO orders were accepted by Fisher by comparing the COPO body numbers to regular cars body numbers.
I will post this topic on CRG to see what JohnZ has to say about it.

[JQ]

Don't know if it's been asked yet but is their a BE rear end in it. What suffix is on the front pad? JQ

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

[ QUOTE ]
I understand that the special cars do not follow any set sequencing. What I thought was that the "normal" ordered cars may have. So after the order was accepted by fisher (body number assigned) they would have been built relatively quickly. So we could determine more or less when the COPO orders were accepted by Fisher by comparing the COPO body numbers to regular cars body numbers.
I will post this topic on CRG to see what JohnZ has to say about it.

[/ QUOTE ]

The copo cars were not built 'quicker' or 'special' from the research that I've done. Don ordered the first batch of copo novas in early Dec. of '69, and they were not built until the last week of May '70. I think there was a strike in there somewhere, but even so, they didn't get preferential treatment. Let us know what JohnZ's reply is, it is interesting to learn about the scheduling details within the GM plants.

[Jeff H]

I thought it was a known fact that the 69 COPO 427 cars were done in batches due to limited availability of some of the components(BE rear mainly). Kurt S should have more info on that and Jim M can probably add to it. Therefore, COPO 427 cars tend to be grouped together by the NOR sequence number. I don't know if particular dealer orders were kept in order vs other dealer COPO orders though.

[COPO_Anders]

It is my feeling that a certain dealer could have his batch of COPO Camaros, ordered at the same time, grouped together by the NOR bodynumber.

Shortage in components like BE-rearends would, more or less, group different dealers COPO Camaro-VIN´s together.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[firstgenaddict]

Marlin,
I am sorry that I wasn't specific... I was not referring to Nova's at all, I have no idea how they were sequenced built etc.
I was referring to the past comments about Camaro's and how body numbers were assigned and how the bodies were not released to be produced until the parts were available, which is why the body numbers are much lower that the "normal" cars built during the same week as the COPO's.
I have the cowl tag numbers from a Z28 03D car and it has a body number that is 30,000 units higher that the COPO built the same week.
What that tells me is that the order for the COPO was accepted about 2-1/2 months before hand.
What do you guys think?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I was using the Novas as an example to show the time span between ordering a batch of copo cars and GM actually building them!

As I said previously, referencing the body number to a build week is not a reliable comparison. In one of the prior examples, a later build week of cars received earlier body numbers, and vice-versa!

[Justbad Joe]

[ QUOTE ]
The body numbers are not always linear in relation to build week.

I like to use the copo novas as an example: The first 15 deuces have the earliest body numbers, and have build dates of 06A. The next 15 deuces have sequentially later body numbers, but have an earlier build date of 05D! So, the earlier build week does not necessarily indicate a lower body number - strange, but....

[/ QUOTE ]
Very strange. But I have witnessed this personally. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Joe

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

That billedle is a bit strange eh? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Chevy454]

[ QUOTE ]
The body numbers are not always linear in relation to build week.

I like to use the copo novas as an example: The first 15 deuces have the earliest body numbers, and have build dates of 06A. The next 15 deuces have sequentially later body numbers, but have an earlier build date of 05D! So, the earlier build week does not necessarily indicate a lower body number - strange, but....

[/ QUOTE ]
The COPO Chevelles do wacky stuff like this also...just about the time you think you see a pattern, you get some cars thrown in there that go against the rule...you'll see some 289xxx cars done in 07D, but then some 283xxx cars in 07E...with the VINs naturally way off as well...http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Like Rob points out, there are inconsistencies between body numbers and build weeks & between body numbers and dealer orders.

I think it's equally fair to say that there are also consistencies in the numbers as well. I personally believe that when you see 3 out of 5 sequential body numbers going to one dealer, that the probability is pretty good that the other two went there as well - and, if those 3 cars were copo's, there's a good probability that the other two may have been as well.

The point being, the body number, build date, and dealer order info is good to have - just not conclusive, and justifies further research.

[deuce-less]

1969 copo camaro

" the blue mule"

doing what comes natural http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

I believe this is the car that Pro Stock standout Tommy Martino shoed in the early 80's prior to him campaigning his SBC Lenco powered Monza in the S/G S/C classes. An interesting side note is when Tommy won the Summer Nationals in Super Gas at E-town in I believe 1984 Jim B. from ATI Automatic Trans paid Tommy and his crew to wear ATI T-shirts in the winners circle photos knowing the car was Lenco equipped. This was in the early stages of the Sprag vs. Spragless Torque Converter "wars"!

[deuce-less]

you are correct about who drove the copo, you wouldn't have any old pic's of the copo hanging around would you?

p.s.
this copo is a brother to some of the other n.j. m.k.
copo's.

thx, alan http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Alan, Sorry, I do not. Next time I see Tommy and his wife Robin I shall ask them if they have any photos of the Blue Mule, Rob.

[deuce-less]

i appreciate the help!
having some more photo history would be nice.
here is a pic. of the MN block which came with the car.

thx, alan http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[bowtie3168]

I called Tommy after reading this post, I gave him the info to look this up. He said he would check it out. I have been freinds with Tommy since I started working at RP, I actually worked for him at Jesel. When I told him that there was a picture of a 69 Camaro on the board he asked if was blue, I said yes, he said if he got a chance he would. Andrew http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[deuce-less]

andrew,

i appreciate your help, more vintage pic's would be great.

thx, alan http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[deuce-less]

interesting thread found in the COPO-UNITED STATES section of the web site....

another MK copo camaro has been recently discovered, interestingly enough, it is also a sequentially numbered trim tag car. it would seem on this batch of cars at least, they were sequentially numbered..... i'm not saying always... just in this instance.


alan http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[deuce-less]

movin along in iowa http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[deuce-less]

additional doc's http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[deuce-less]

fresh 69 C.E. 512 ready to go

[deuce-less]

other parts waiting for the metal masters touch http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[JQ]

I was wondering if your 06A built car and my 05C car could have possibly run in the same batch? Did the number of cars very per batch? JQ.

[deuce-less]

i would think that is a possibility...
if the body numbers are fairly close, that would be interesting as well.
although my car has a 06A trim tag, it was shipped pretty late in the month.

alan http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Weren't all of the June Camaro's in '69 tagged with 06A?

[COPO_Anders]

Alan, your car must have been built very late in June,since it was built after mine. That would be more than one month after an 05C car.
It´s nice to see the Blue Mule coming together again !

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[deuce-less]

marlin,

you are correct as far as i am aware, all of the camaro production in june was tagged 06A.

anders,

i am aware of an even later copo 06A car with a 664,xxx vin
that car had to have been close to the end of the line in june. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Steve Shauger]

[ QUOTE ]
Weren't all of the June Camaro's in '69 tagged with 06A?

[/ QUOTE ]
Yep

[JQ]

[ QUOTE ]
i would think that is a possibility...
if the body numbers are fairly close, that would be interesting as well.
although my car has a 06A trim tag, it was shipped pretty late in the month.

alan http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]


Body Number NOR293349

[COPO_Anders]

The Village Chevrolet COPO here in Sweden has a very early July VIN (6642XX), with the 06A on the trimtag. I thought that was odd, but Kurt Sonen explained to me that since the body was started in June it got the 06A.

[deuce-less]

what you say makes sense...

the copo i mentioned was even later, but still had the 06A
trim tag 6648XX

i would guess that perhaps the month end cut-off wasn't exactly precise every time http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[COPO_Anders]

Kurt told me that the trim tag was put on the body 3-4 days before the VIN was assigned to the same body,which was done at the end of the line. So cars built the first 3-4 days in a new month would have a trim tag from the month before. That´s how it was if I understood Kurt correctly.

[deuce-less]

did curt say anything to you about why the june cars all were 06A?

alan http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[COPO_Anders]

No. I don´t think anyone knows for sure why it happened.

[deuce-less]

dan palchanes comes thru big time http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
pic's from owner #2

[deuce-less]

pic's2

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pic's3

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pic's4

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pic's5

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pic's6

[COPO_Anders]

That is great Alan ! Love those old pics.

[deuce-less]

pic's7

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pic's8

[Mike]

Great photos! I love that color combination. Was the vinyl top added? It doesn't look like a factory installed top. Maybe dealer installed?

[COPO]

Those pictures are priceless. Noticed the curve neck on the radiator. Those certainly help to document the car. Thanks for sharing. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[firstgenaddict]

Awesome...

[SUSQ]

Man, those Hurst T-handles were all the rage back in the day! Thanks for the update.

[firstgenaddict]

Was the grille replaced early in it's life?

[deuce-less]

these pic's are from owner number two... we still have questions for owner number one... we are hot on his trail http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif the 68 style vinyl roof may have been applied by the dealer... that roof looks good on a 69 in my opinion,
what is really interesting is the options revealed by the pic's on this copo camaro. i believe this car is the only known blue deluxe interior copo camaro.

alan http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[firstgenaddict]

Yenko put 68 style V-tops on cars as well...

[markinnaples]

What are the differences between a 68 and 69 style vinyl tops?

[deuce-less]

the 69 vinyl roof style uses a unique belt mldg which allows the 69 model cars to show a small portion of the painted surface of the roof around it's perimeter. whereas the 68 style roof shows no painted roof and the vinyl roof material actually goes under the windshield and back glass reveal mldgs. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif perhaps someone could post a few pic's to demonstrate the differences? if you look at the factory pic's of the two models 68 vs. 69 the differences will be apparent to you, hope this helps. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[COPO_Anders]

Alan, was this car raced frequently at Englishtown Raceway Park ? Was it ever raced with a L-88 engine ?

[deuce-less]

hello anders

yes and yes....

do you have more info http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

alan

[Stefano]

Great Stuff! Keep it coming guys.

[ORIGLS6]

'69 style (and a '68 sitting next to it.)

http://www.yenko.net/features/2005/ho1.jpg

'68 style on a '69. No body color showing above the drip rail or on the 'A' pillar.

http://www.yenko.net/features/2003/CLILL2.jpg

[SSjeff427]

[ QUOTE ]
'69 style

http://www.yenko.net/features/2005/ho1.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

And apparently '68 style right beside it.

[ORIGLS6]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif You caught it before I did Jeff. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Mr Yenko]

Boy do I miss seeing that 7200 mile Yenko, Formerly of Henderson. Then went to K. Hand then i believe went to Charley. I think that car is in a private collection now? I never heard a car that had the sound of that one back at the 2000 Reunion. I believe that is the ONLY Yenko installed race motor documented from the mid 70's. Just a KILLER car.
The "MOF" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[Salvatore]

Great pictures Alan! Brings it all together. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif Sam

[COPO_Anders]

Sorry Alan, no I don´t. I was just thinking that mabye the blue L-88 car with black vinyl top that raced at Englishtown in the early seventies was actually your car and not the one from Brahms. But mabye there were two (or even more)blue L-88 1969 Camaros at Raceway Park back then.
Attached is the Brahms SS L-88 car.

[deuce-less]

excellent vintage shot anders...
for being so far away from the u.s. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif you are certainly in the thick of things copo related http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Salvatore]

E-Town was a haven for such cars! ALL the big dealers were within about 50 miles of E-Town. I bet they all were in competition with each other for sales too. Scuncio was up the road a bit in RI. I know Bob Johnson had a mess of good running cars back then also. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif Great work Anders. Ever think of relocating? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Astock]

[ QUOTE ]
I believe that is the ONLY Yenko installed race motor documented from the mid 70's. Just a KILLER car.
The "MOF" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
Maybe in a '69 Camaro

[Astock]

L-88

[markinnaples]

You guys are great, thanks for the great explanation and pics.

[COPO_Anders]

I have actually given it a thought Sam but my girls are 14 and 16 right now, and we are expanding our business so it´s not realistic to move right now. Mabye in the future.
Since my friend Kimmert lives in New Britain CT. it would be natural to move to that area. But my heart is in New Jersey. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[deuce-less]

the blue mule gets a late b-day present http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

some vintage meats

[deuce-less]

and what b-day party would be complete without your original birth certificate http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[deuce-less]

dressed up and headed out to the dance

[deuce-less]

lookin" for ya there

[Schonyenko2]

Naw, we're lookin for John Milner. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[markinnaples]

that thing flat out rocks

[deuce-less]

update, pic's starting to come in from the first owner, pic is of the third owner paying a visit to the first owner. the first owner was located by dan palchanes after the third owner provided the original dealer invoice. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
the blue mule was originally named Big Blue, street raced and drag raced, originally driven off of the showroom floor on 8-12-69 at MK by the first owner who had just returned from 30 months in vietnam. he had originally wanted a hemi mopar, but heard that the 427 camaros were quicker and thus became the original owner that day in 1969.... interesting info http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Donutblue]

Someone is either getting teary eyed missing the car, or he wished he kept those snow tires. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[mockingbird812]

Just terrific stuff Alan. Gotta be a good feeling!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif


Ah yes, nothing like a 427 Camaro with snow tires!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif


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[Allen]

Alan,
I checked out your Camaro at the Supercar Reunion... beautiful car! Just wait 'till those fine Novas get done!


Allen

[Mr70]

Have any of the 188 1969 Camaros that received RPO V75 Liquid Tire Chain,turned out to be ZL-1 Camaros?..That would be a hoot.

[deuce-less]

it does take some time to assemble the proper parts and the right people to 'get er done', no doubt on this copo camaro ken was the man, with his team to bring this camaro back http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
as for getting the nova's done.... i'm sure ken will move the nova's along as quickly as he can.... right away would be good http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[NovaMob03]

If it weren't for Ed Cunneen telling me (after retirement) the 'the car appears to be a Malcom Konners COPO' Alan probably wouldn't have bought & restored it. It wasn't much to go on, but Alan had faith in Ed's words, had Jerry M certify it & spent a lot of time & $$ to bring it back from the dead. Alan & Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif
Thanks Ed...you were right on http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[Mr70]

This really is a great period picture you posted,before a phenomenal restoration by Ken & Co.
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/355466-tn_jimhager1.jpg

[deuce-less]

there is a possibility that jim hager still has the log book on the car, to this day he keeps a book on any car he has ever owned, the book contains fuel fill-up's, tire rotations and modifications to the car, he is sure that he has several more vintage pic's of the copo in it's first year of ownership as well. he also mentioned something about some kind of special "super tune" the car recieved in preparation for drag racing , the details continue to come forward http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Jeff H]

Great history! Dan told me about this car quite a while ago. It's great to see the history of the car unfold like this. I know he does a lot of research on cars and this is where it really makes it worth the time, effort and cost. I was fortunate enough to get in touch with the original owner of my JL8 car over on the Team Camaro website! He's already given me some unkown information on the car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[deuce-less]

fortunately for us, all of the prior owners of the copo have been helpful and courteous. we are just begining to scratch the surface on the pic's and other info these prior owners have to contribute to the copo's final story, i'm sure we will have more great info in the coming weeks. ken has been kind enough to set aside a saturday to visit with three prior owners and allow them the opportunity of getting reaquainted first hand with their lost love.

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owners gather at ken's place in iowa to get an owners first drive of the completed copo project, james hager, don riley and dan palchanes http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[deuce-less]

ken and the mule... the hard work pay's off http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[deuce-less]

a few extra goodies dan brought in from pa and indiana,
the mules original drag racing rims from back in the day http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

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ken decides it's only fair to make original owner james hager a deal on the mule he can't refuse http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Allen]

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ken decides it's only fair to make original owner james hager a deal on the mule he can't refuse http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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That's classic!

[Schonyenko2]

The visit from the previous owners was indeed very interesting. When I first read Jim Hager's story, and he said he had been in Nam for 30 months, I kinda figured he wasn't a draftee. When he arrived and got out of his car and had a Blackwater shirt on, I knew I'd guessed right. Jim had been Marine recon during that time, and to some degree has never quite left either the military, or it's "other" branches.Talking with him was an event in itself.
His wife Pat also came with him, and the two were kinda like kids again while riding in the car. She even mentioned how she used to sit on the console when she rode with him.
Don Riley was a pretty cool guy too. His memories were from a little different perspective, but they had both beat on her pretty good. He told us the full story of the chunk out of the spoiler, and broken frt spindle while evading the cops.
Dan had some good memories he shared also. And without his digging, we'd have never found the first two.
All had that"I never thought I'd see this car again" statement, and the look on their faces like a dead relative had just walked in the door.
It was one of the most enjoyable days I've spent in a long time. I guess I'd have felt the same way had I sold my yellow deuce when my father in law wanted me to, and found it years later. Sure glad I held out on that one.
Thanks to Alan for sending these gentleman out. It was a good time had by all, and a lot of rekindled memories on the part of these former owners.