71 4 speed aqua W-30 hits 200K

[agtw31]

this is totally insane.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Oldsmobil...sspagenameZWDVW (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Oldsmobile-442-1971-Oldsmobile-442-W30_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ15287QQihZ013QQitem Z230020847259QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW)

[musclecarjohn]

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this is totally insane.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Oldsmobil...sspagenameZWDVW (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Oldsmobile-442-1971-Oldsmobile-442-W30_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ15287QQihZ013QQitem Z230020847259QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW)

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I believe you are correct..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[HS PROFESSOR]

And its still got 7 days to go .Somethings real fishy.Thats only about 125k more than its worth.


bob

[TimG]

I saw that car this morning and it was at about $27,000. I like 442's, but something is going on here. The car appears to need paint, no AC. Hate to slander a car I like, but this can't be real money.

[agtw31]

owner has told me in the last auction 125K would buy it.

high bidder is owner of inline tube.

[scott s]

told me the same $$ 125k something smells http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[csx289]

Yep, last auction (that ended at 42k or so) the seller emailed me with the $125k figure. I laughed pretty hard at that but not as good as I just did with the $200k....I smell a rat! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Colin

[bruno17]

I don't think it smells at all! Kryta knows value when he see's it.They don't build Oldsmobiles anymore do they?
I heard that he's hoarding 442's!

really!

[csx289]

FYI, my 71 W30:

http://www.colinsclassicauto.com/detail.php?car=162

Is for sale for just $400,000. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

No, wait, I can't sell it. But if the Kryta boys are starting a 71 W30 stampede I won't be upset http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Mario, did you get those Judge pics I sent?

Colin

[olredalert]

-------Colin,,,Sorry to go a bit off-topic, but did that Cammer-Cobra have any Ft.Lauderdale history??? There was a converted Cammer in Ft.Lauderdale back in the early 70s.It was a dark color, maybe BRG back then. When it ran it really had some cojones, but the owner was always having small problems with it. Car is gorgeous by the way!!!!...........Bill S

[bruno17]

hi Colin,
I'm Bruno.Mario is my biz partner.Yes,I rec'd pics and forwarded them to him.He's on the fence...69 or 70 fence.
Keep an eye on those Kryta boys......last seen at gto show with high dollar 69 judge in piece o'crap cammo.
It was sooooo......delicious!

[flyingn]

Yea I smell lots o shills on that auction

[TimG]

I better buy a 442 quick. Still love them and the prices are sure to come on strong. There's a very nice X code '72 Hurst Olds here in town.

[csx289]

Hmmmmm....high bidder is a Kryta from Detroit and the underbidder is a Kryta from Detroit??? Remember the HMM magazine when the one brother was dressed up as Dr. Olds? Underbidder "Dr. Olds"? Bid jumps from the 30k range to 100k, then the next bid is 200k? Last auction it ended in the 40's? Yeah, the market moves fast, but not THIS fast! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Disclaimer: I could be COMPLETELY wrong on this, but I am still going to say I smell a rat. No offense.

[Canuck]

I am holding a pair of 71 W-30 Converts,in complementry Christmas colors.

If those bids are real money (I think not) it could be time to retire.

Colin,What are you doing with that White W-30 you bought a few months ago on ebay?

[nuch_ss396]

I like these cars too, but come on ! $200K ? WTH !!

I don't think these cars are in the same performance league
to command those dollars. What do you guys think?

Steve

[agtw31]

when you want your car worth $200K,make sure others sell for that much.

trying to manipulate this market can get expensive,though.

[csx289]

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-------Colin,,,Sorry to go a bit off-topic, but did that Cammer-Cobra have any Ft.Lauderdale history??? There was a converted Cammer in Ft.Lauderdale back in the early 70s.It was a dark color, maybe BRG back then. When it ran it really had some cojones, but the owner was always having small problems with it. Car is gorgeous by the way!!!!...........Bill S

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Hi Bill,
Nope, not the same car. My car had the engine installed a little later - and was in Colorado all through the 70's. It was originally blue, then painted black around 1970 as far as I can tell. Later painted again by Bill Murray, then Mike McCluskey, two Cobra "heavies".

I met a guy in Monterey who saw the car on a dyno in the mid-80's, said at 580HP (rwhp) the tires started coming apart and hitting the body so they backed off. He is the guy that eventually bought it and sold it at B-J for $250k... a world record at the time.

Every Cobra has a good story, don't they?

Colin

[csx289]

My (2) 71 W30 converts are waiting for me to find the time to restore them. Well, the time and the $$$ - same old story. The 71 W30 hardtop is my driver, I could drive the ebay car, a.k.a the "Joe Dirt W30" around here, but those Town & Country snow tires are pretty slippery http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif That, and the previous owner's bumper sticker that says "If you're RICH, I'm SINGLE!". Really.

Colin

[csx289]

[ QUOTE ]
I don't think these cars are in the same performance league
to command those dollars. What do you guys think?


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Steve,
I think they are in the same performance leauge, no question. They just don't have the name recognition like a Yenko, for example. The W cars are reasonably rare and IMHO very undervalued in the big picture. I'd rather have a good W30 4 speed over a Hemi Cuda 4 speed, if they were both $1.00. The B/O/P cars just drive so much better than their competitors did. My black W30 is really nice to drive, even on bias ply tires. My Hemi car, bless its heart, tries to be a nice car but is still like driving a dump truck. If you had to have ONE car, I bet a lot of guys would pick a GS/442/GTO. But, I've been wrong before.

Now is the eBay car worth $200k? Not to me, it looks a little tired - I figured it for $75k the last time it ran.

Colin

[Chevy454]

Agreed, Colin, the GM a-body line is a tough combo to beat...

You mention the W cars...do the W31 cars get much love in todays market? I fell in love with Casey's while in Stanton...I thought it was a GREAT value when he let it go, but it seemed like folks just didn't jump on it like I thought they should?

[Bill Pritchard]

Colin, I'm with you.....'drolds810' raises his bid 14 times - in a span of 9 minutes and 2 seconds - from $31K to $200K....with no one bidding against him http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[mockingbird812]

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Colin, I'm with you.....'drolds810' raises his bid 14 times - in a span of 9 minutes and 2 seconds - from $31K to $200K....with no one bidding against him http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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Bill- all that COULD mean is that he set a very high max bid and until another bidder out bids him that other bidder's call sign will not show up. So, it only appears that he is bidding against noone.

[budnate]

maybe a divorce thing???????

[GNT]

Rediculous auction.I just sold a documented 1970 which was real nice for $32,000.I know where there is an all original #s matching documented 72 W30 for $70,000.Probably the nicest one any where and I thought that was too much.

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I don't think these cars are in the same performance league
to command those dollars. What do you guys think?


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Steve,
I think they are in the same performance leauge, no question. They just don't have the name recognition like a Yenko, for example. The W cars are reasonably rare and IMHO very undervalued in the big picture. I'd rather have a good W30 4 speed over a Hemi Cuda 4 speed, if they were both $1.00. The B/O/P cars just drive so much better than their competitors did. My black W30 is really nice to drive, even on bias ply tires. My Hemi car, bless its heart, tries to be a nice car but is still like driving a dump truck. If you had to have ONE car, I bet a lot of guys would pick a GS/442/GTO. But, I've been wrong before.

Now is the eBay car worth $200k? Not to me, it looks a little tired - I figured it for $75k the last time it ran.

Colin

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Colin,

I guess my position comes from the fact that I only ever
saw three of these things growing up. As you sort of
indicated, Camaros, Chevelles, Novas, Mustangs, Cudas were
the most popular cars. As a matter of fact, two of the
three W-30's belonged to executive level guys. I guess that
is where I developed the feeling that they were a "gentlemans"
performance car, and as such, not in the same league.

So you honestly think these cars are on a performance par
with the Yenko's & COPO's? Why didn't many of these cars
make it to the track and get national recognition as the
afore mentioned cars did? Was it their weight class or
something like that?

I will add one thing though. Probably the most remembered
advertisement from "back in the day" for me was one is which
a bikini clad woman was laying on a 442 hood ( on her belly )
nestled between the two scoops. You do the mental picture
from there...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif Sure like to see that ad again! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Steve

[SmallHurst]

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I will add one thing though. Probably the most remembered
advertisement from "back in the day" for me was one is which
a bikini clad woman was laying on a 442 hood ( on her belly )
nestled between the two scoops. You do the mental picture
from there...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif Sure like to see that ad again! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Steve

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I rememeber the ad, it was for Liquid Glass! Always liked the girl..er I mean car! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif Like some of the Buicks rolling around, a lot of 442's were loaded up with options, but the W-cars were strickly BIZNESS! You can only cut so much fat before you hit bone, but they took out as they could and still have the car perform. The carpet was without sound deadner, the 70-72 W-30 cars had aluminium intakes to reduce weight (I have talked with other people in the know, no performance gain over the stock cast intake, just lighter)In '70, a W-30 4-speed had a 328/328 cam and you could not get power brakes with that car. The w-cars had special heads and blueprinted motors. In the instance of the w-31 cars in '68, each of the motors were dyno'd before being sent out to the cars.

The cars were not cheap. My car with a/c came to the sum total of over $5K in '69. What was the cost of a BB Vette in '69? Anyway, Colin is right, the Olds market has always been a little slow/soft, but it seems there are some very rare cars coming out of the woodwork and bringing some big money. The '71 is nice, but $200K? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[TimG]

Our family bought an orange '72 442 new when I was 16, you can bet I was influential in that decision. My best friend won a '72 Hurst Olds on a bet with his father. The night before the election for class president, his father said that if you win the election, "I'll buy you a Hurst Olds". He wasn't even running for office and word spread through the school like wildfire and he won. We'd park our two Olds muscle cars next to each other. I'm always looking for a '71 or '72 W-30. Every time I see a '72 HO with a sunroof, I look to see if it is optioned out like his.

[Bill Pritchard]

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Bill- all that COULD mean is that he set a very high max bid and until another bidder out bids him that other bidder's call sign will not show up. So, it only appears that he is bidding against noone.

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Sam, that's not how I know eBay bidding to work http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif If 'drolds810' had made one bid of $200K, his bidder ID would show up only one time. As other people would bid lesser amounts, their bids would show up with their bidder ID.

[Jeff H]

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Bill- all that COULD mean is that he set a very high max bid and until another bidder out bids him that other bidder's call sign will not show up. So, it only appears that he is bidding against noone.

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Sam, that's not how I know eBay bidding to work http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif If 'drolds810' had made one bid of $200K, his bidder ID would show up only one time. As other people would bid lesser amounts, their bids would show up with their bidder ID.

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Bill, it looks like that bidder used one of the sniping programs to place his bids for him. You put in your top $ amount and it will consistantly increase your bid until it reaches your max $ or you are the high bidder. I still don't think those are real buyers though.

[SmallHurst]

Looks like the high bids have been retracted due to 'wrong amount entered'. Someone ended up fishing for the reserve price! The price is now sitting at $28 K which I think to be a little high but, it is still a good price for a rare car. A unrestored '69 H/O went for $30.5 K last week on E-bay.

[TimG]

I've got it, they put their decimal in the wrong place........

[GNT]

I was 20 years old in 1970.I was an avid street racer and back yard mechanic.I lived in Toronto Canada the 4th largest city in North America,so we had a fairly big street scene happening.I knew almost all cars that had a V8 and a 4 barrel.As mentioned before the W30 was considered the buisness man's muscle car.They were far too expensive for your average guy and frankly they were not that fast.A well tuned W31 could out run a stock W30 and compared to the heavy hitters like LS6 Chevelles,6 pack Runners and BB Vettes the W30 wasn't even in the game.Don't get me wrong.I love these cars and they can be made to run.I'm just giving a flash back to how things were back in the day.I still remember my first ride in one.A friend of a friend pulled into Harveys one night with a green W30 with headers,4:33 gear and some special tuning by Lance Hill.That car left like a bullet off the lights but once rolling not too much punch.I was a greasy kid who had been in a lot of hot rods and race cars.I couldn't believe how nice a ride it had and especially how quiet it was inside.You would put the power window up and it was like a sealed container.Amazing.The guy who owned it had way too much money and not much knowledge of cars.He showed up one night at a local street racing spot to watch the cars run.The big boys didn't usually run till about 2 or 3 in the morning so the preliminaries usually included about 500 340 Swingers and 383 Runners and some SB Chevies.One guy in a warmed over Duster called out the W30 and found out real quick that he was no match for BB Olds.After a couple of more vitories the W30 guy started to get a fat head and a little mouthy.My BB Nova was down with a busted axle that night but a friend of mine had a LS6 Chevelle and gladly volunteered to show this guy how it's done.The Olds wacked the Chevelle by about 2 lengths out of the hole as the Chevelle was a 4 speed with 4.5 gears and had a serious traction problem.I still remember the girl friend of the Olds guy jumping up and down in her high heals on the side of the road as the W30 looked like it was going to win.I leaned over to my friend chuckling just as the Chevelle was pulling second gear."Hold on man.Watch this"Well.By third gear it was all over and the Chevelle gave it to the W30 by about 10 cars.The next Monday morning I dropped by the dealer to pick up my axle and here is the Olds on the hoist.I guess he was getting more parts for the come back but it never happened.
Anyway.About 20 years later I drifted away from the older musclecars and started playing with GNs.I opened my own shop and had a lot of fun building and racing those cars.About 3 years ago I started to get back into the older stuff and started to buy some cars to fix up.I was shocked to see that W30s and Stage 1 GS cars were almost at the bottom of the heap as far as value.Back then you could get a killer deal on one of these cars and even today they are priced way to low.The W30s are starting to come around now but he GS cars are still under valued.A GS stage 1 dead stock was faster then a LS6 Chevelle and a nicer ride.People just didn't know about those cars and only now are they starting to recieve the recognition they deserve.
Anyway.

[Canuck]

I have been collecting and Restoring Oldsmobiles since 1973. The 442 was considered a "gentleman's hotrod" just as the Chrysler 300's of the 50's and 60's were considered an "executive" or " bankers hotrod". The typical Olds 442 buyer was a guy in his late to mid 30's who wanted performance and the comfort creatures. My Green 71 w-30 was ordered new by the original owner when he was 53 in 1971. He wanted the creature comforts along with the power and folding top.
I have documented over 100 1971 w-30 Olds and have corresponded with many original owners,the story is pretty consistant. Established people with careers and some spare cash to acquire a muscle car. The Camaro's and Chevelles filled the needs of buyers who were going for sheer performance. Oldmobile was targeted at a different audience. At the curling club in the city where I grew up there were three 442's there on Sunday evenings,owners were a doctor,a financial advisor and a business owner.
I have a deep respect for all the Muscle cars (have owned most of the makes,in 34 years),but The Olds will always be my favourite.

Colin

I have the info on the White car you bought,PM me the info on your other W-30 convert for my records.

[TimG]

Colin, I used to drive our 442 to curling practice every afternoon when I was in high school. I bet that car is rusted out in some junk yard in Wisconsin.

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
... The 442 was considered a "gentleman's hotrod" just as the Chrysler 300's of the 50's and 60's were considered an "executive" or " bankers hotrod". The typical Olds 442 buyer was a guy in his late to mid 30's who wanted performance and the comfort creatures.

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You may be absolutely correct in this. The one I remember most
( of the three I wrote about earlier ) was white and
it belonged to one of the DuPont's ( yes - those DuPonts ).
This particular car had a telephone custom installed in the
back console area. This was back in the mid-1970's, so car
phones were Star Trek stuff. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Steve

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I will add one thing though. Probably the most remembered
advertisement from "back in the day" for me was one is which
a bikini clad woman was laying on a 442 hood ( on her belly )
nestled between the two scoops. You do the mental picture
from there...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif Sure like to see that ad again! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Steve

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I rememeber the ad, it was for Liquid Glass! Always liked the girl..er I mean car! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

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OK Russell,

You got my vote. HTH did you remember Liquid Glass as the
ad? SO, it made an impression on you too!? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[HO455]

Hi Guys:

………Very intriguing Oldsmobile discussion – The W-30s were definitely aimed at the more affluent buyers. They were built with a little more luxury and quality than some of the others in the GM stable. But in regard to performance, right out of the box Olds W-30s were clearly in the game. They offered engines that were built with a great deal of expertise. Each engine was balanced & blueprinted. The cams were indexed for maximum performance. The bottom ends were treated to several procedures to increase strength and durability. Just take a viewing of the Muscle Car shootout from “Dream Car Garage” to see where Olds stacked up in pure stock form. I also have an original Roadtest program on video of the 1968 HO from the television broadcast "Roadtest Magazine" in which the 1968 HO driven by Jack "Doc" Watson turned 13.28s at 107 mph right out of the box. This would clearly put the 1968 Hurst Olds in range of the LS-6 Chevelle or Hemi cars. Plus we will not even get into the engines being developed by Oldsmobile from 1967 through the early 1970s. Oldsmobile was developing an elaborate automobile racing engine program starting in 1967. They were given the edit by General Motors to develop a world class motor sport program under the direction of Olds G.M John Beltz. General Motors chose Oldsmobile to head up the program because of their engineering position at General Motors historically. This program was in full development by 1970 but was abruptly killed because of the new emission guidelines now being enforced by the Federal government. The Oldsmobile 4 valve per cylinder 455 hemi engine(W-43)and the all aluminum DOHC 4 valve per cylinder 455 hemi engine(OW-43)that were slated for production in the 1970 W-Machines would have put the Chrysler hemi, the Ford cammer,the Cheverolet L-88 and LS-7 and Pontiac RAV engines far into the shade.

[nuch_ss396]

MAN! If this is accurate ( I'm not in a position to dispute your 442 knowledge ), I've been basking in the
BBC lime light too long. Funny I never heard about any of this before. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[HO455]

Dear Steve:

I tried to upload a couple of photos in the image section. Not sure if I loaded them correctly. This article provides a couple of nice photographs of the Olds W-43 and OW-43 engines. This “ Hot Rod Magazine Engine Annual” article from 1971 is about ten pages in length. It was a special feature on some of the Oldsmobile divisions high performance engine development of late 1969-1970. There were several other publications that did features on these and various other Oldsmobile DOHC 4-valve 455 cubic inch engines as well. "Hot Rod" Magazine in 1969 also did a nice profile of the twin turbocharged all aluminum Oldsmobile 455 engines designed for Oldsmobile’s foray into Can Am racing.

[JOZW30]

Beign an Olds nut my whole life, It's sort of a double edge sword seeing these cars "getting some love". They are in my opinion without a doubt the best looking cars of that era. That twin scooped fiberglass hood on the 70 -72 W cars can't be matched.

Those Olds 455's had killer torque, and are a blast to drive.

I think part of the performance comparison people are drawing on is that back in the day, there were not a lot of off the shelf performance enhancing parts for these cars like for the Chevy fans.

I'm not sure I want to see them selling for 6 figures (although I'd have to consider selling mine at that point). It would probably push me out of the hobby financially too. Or I'd have to be content restoring cars with lesser pedigrees.

[Ngtflyr]

John,
E-mail the article to me and I will post it for you.

[email protected]

[PPPJJJFFF]

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Hi Guys:

This would clearly put the 1968 Hurst Olds in range of the LS-6 Chevelle or Hemi cars. Plus we will not even get into the engines being developed by Oldsmobile from 1967 through the early 1970s. Oldsmobile was developing an elaborate automobile racing engine program starting in 1967. They were given the edit by General Motors to develop a world class motor sport program under the direction of Olds G.M John Beltz. General Motors chose Oldsmobile to head up the program because of their engineering position at General Motors historically. This program was in full development by 1970 but was abruptly killed because of the new emission guidelines now being enforced by the Federal government. The Oldsmobile 4 valve per cylinder 455 hemi engine(W-43)and the all aluminum DOHC 4 valve per cylinder 455 hemi engine(OW-43)that were slated for production in the 1970 W-Machines would have put the Chrysler hemi, the Ford cammer,the Cheverolet L-88 and LS-7 and Pontiac RAV engines far into the shade.

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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Many of the manufacturers had either experimental engines or engines ready for production to take these performances motors to the next lebel. That includes the next generation Hemi, the Stage II Buick and the LS7. So to say the Oldsmobile engine would have left these others behind may be true, but let's face. The Olds didn't make it to production and the others you refer to we're still top dog.

As far as the "Muscle Car Shoot Out" on the Speed Channel. I really don't think it proved that much. Except for the fact that the Mopar couldn't brake or turn very well! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif The LS6 had no gears. The Buick was a 4200lb convertible and the guys from Speed apologized for the shot clutch in the Challenger at the end of the program. If they need a Buick or a Hemi-Challenger for the next shoot-out. I know where 2 can be found! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

That being said. I think the Olds car lack the loving they do deserve. They are really http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif in my book!

Patrick

[442w30]

I think you guys would be interested in seeing what the Olds guys are saying.

http://72.22.90.30/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=24113&start=45

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I will add one thing though. Probably the most remembered
advertisement from "back in the day" for me was one is which
a bikini clad woman was laying on a 442 hood ( on her belly )
nestled between the two scoops. You do the mental picture
from there...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif Sure like to see that ad again! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Steve

[/ QUOTE ]

I rememeber the ad, it was for Liquid Glass! Always liked the girl..er I mean car! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, I found the advertisement I was referring to. Just
in case you want to see it, follow the link: 442 Image (http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/70%5F442%5Fgirl%2D1.jpg)