1969 NOVA SS L-89 ONE OF 311 UNRESTORED ORIGINAL [Archive]

Schonyenko2

10-09-2006, 07:46 AM

Unlike my good friend Mr. Howie, I do think there may have been some L89 novas built. Problem is, I have a couple of smoking guns, but no bullets. To the best of my knowledge, no specific engine codes exist for a L89 nova. Most of the smoking gun info I've gotten point to dealer installed on delivery, but when the smoke clears, I've yet to find any verifiable documentation. Please share with us any verifiable evidence that you have. There's nothing I'd like better than to prove Mr. Howie wrong. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Stefano

10-09-2006, 07:47 AM

"427 ALUM HEADS WERE A DEALER INSTALLED OPTION,THE FACTORY MATCHING NUMBERS HEADS ARE WITH THE CAR" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Hotrodpaul

10-09-2006, 07:47 AM

First, you might want to take your caps lock off. So you are saying the car was an original L-78 with dealer installed L-89 Aluminum heads? Do you have any supporting docs to confirm this? I remember this car a year or two ago selling out of Oklahoma I believe. Seems like a very nice car, just curious about the L-89 Aluminum heads.

Paul

427rcode

10-09-2006, 08:29 AM

no its not the car
i also have that car
that one is not for sale

427rcode

10-09-2006, 08:32 AM

sorry about the caps my college teachers in the 70s werent so critical lol

427rcode

10-09-2006, 08:34 AM

Charlie
thanks for the information

Charley Lillard

10-09-2006, 10:26 AM

So you have two 67K mile Rally Green L89 Novas and they both have black vinyl tops ? One is L78 with the heads dealer installed and the other is a factory l89 ?

70Z28RS5151

10-09-2006, 01:19 PM

Wow! Twins? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

shor

10-09-2006, 03:57 PM

wow

Steve Shauger

10-09-2006, 05:04 PM

I still would like to know if you have any factory documentation backing up your claim that it is in fact a factory built L89 Nova (yes/no), before I travel 4 hrs to look at the car. Also do you have any pics of the motor stamping and what is the red line on the factory tach.

427rcode

10-09-2006, 06:43 PM

tough crowd

Mr70

10-09-2006, 06:59 PM

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Rixls6

10-09-2006, 07:03 PM

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tough crowd

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I don't think you'll find an easy crowd at $85K asking price. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

427rcode

10-09-2006, 07:03 PM

Steve
i had two or three chevy experts look at the car,plus spoke to the original owner who claims the car had both sets of heads when it was delivered to him from the dealer.they tell me there is no documentation anywhere as to the verification of any nova l-89 except for dealer delivery.i understand that chevy has the vin munbers soon to be released with all the info on all hipo cars.this car is very nice unrestored car.i bought it because it was rare and had the matching motor with both sets of heads.the 427 heads are on the car and the matching l-78 heads were in the trunk.i wish i knew more.the guys in here are very critical and think they know everything. i only collect rare musclecars.the chevy guys that looked at this car know what there looking at,im not looking to argue in here like some of these guys.i dont needto sell the car and i dont need the money.i just the room for some others i bought.ill take it to barrett-jackson and take my chances.
thanks

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY

10-09-2006, 07:54 PM

How critical were the two or three chevy experts that you had look at the car? A lot of folks looked at the car at Hershey, and noticed some things - hence the questions regarding the engine stamp and the tach. Can you post some pics?

BTW, you might wish to refrain from referencing the 'one of 311' in any future ads for the car - this will only cause you heartache! I too believe that Chevy made a few L89 Novas, but to date there have been zero documented cars found - and they certainly didn't make 311 of them, that is a Camaro estimate.

Kim_Howie

10-09-2006, 07:57 PM

Ralph, If this is a true L-89 Nova. The suffix on the block should be different than a L-78 motor, since this is the org. block. I would like to know what is the suffix?? Kim

kwhizz

10-09-2006, 09:38 PM

Ralph.............It's very easy to put together a factory correct appearing L-89 car.....If you were in the process of buying this car, you would welcome the experience,knowledge and critiqueing that is available here to verify the pedigree of your future Investment......since you already own the car, don't take it the wrong way......But........It is what it is..........

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

427king

10-09-2006, 10:41 PM

"the 427 heads are on the car and the matching l-78 heads were in the trunk"..........Is there a difference between 396 and 427 heads???

kwhizz

10-09-2006, 10:46 PM

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"the 427 heads are on the car and the matching l-78 heads were in the trunk"..........Is there a difference between 396 and 427 heads???

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I think it's in regards to Aluminum Heads (Which should be #842's) on the Engine and steel in the trunk ????

Ken (unless I'm missing something)

Pacecarjeff

10-10-2006, 12:06 AM

Seems like some questions are not going to be easily answered.
http://images.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/beatdeadhorse5.gif

Stuart Adams

10-10-2006, 01:57 AM

On my 68 L89 it had a suffix on the pad that indicated aluminum heads, like Kim states. I would think if it was born with those heads the motor would be stamped as such. The POP also was coded.

@wot

10-10-2006, 02:59 AM

Is that a Nova? I would love to finally see documantation for a L89 Nova.

Mr70

10-10-2006, 03:08 AM

I think that's the consencious of this whole thread.

@wot

10-10-2006, 03:10 AM

I don't usually chime in on these discussions as a rule , but when selling a car on this ite without solid documentation to support your claim, you are are exposing yourself to the vast knowledge base of the members and their opinions. I have found, in most cases, these
members reperesent the best available information that we currently have.

MikeA

10-10-2006, 04:11 AM

I think I saw this Nova at the Wildwood, NJ car show in September. The small write up on the windshield indicated a L-89 car. I remember saying to my brother that the owner better have documentation to substantiate a L-89 car. Too bad I did not look at the car real close.

Salvatore

10-10-2006, 04:53 AM

Ralph Who are the Chevy experts? And who said that GM is coming out with the numbers? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Xplantdad

10-10-2006, 05:00 AM

Maybe he's referring to what Jim Mattison said at the Supercar reunion...about Chevrolet releasing the records soon? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

427king

10-10-2006, 05:06 AM

No offense. But if i had an [undocumented] but the only L89 nova known,and i thought the paperwork was soon to be released. Why would i sell the car now and give the new owner a 200K present. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

427rcode

10-10-2006, 05:16 AM

Ken
i appreciate the help,i bought the car the way it is and never touched it im only passing along what was told to me.im a ford guy and alls i get is objection from most in here i said most not all.your right the car is what it is andat worst is a l-78 unrestored original which i know there are not many out there.too many people in here are too critical
thanks

Steve Shauger

10-10-2006, 05:18 AM

I was at this years SCR and believe some people misinterpreted what Jim M. stated regarding Chevrolet releasing the documentation. I spoke to Jim later that evening and the next day to clarify what he actually stated. To that end I believe there is less chance of that happening now than ever before.
Presently there are issues with the releasing of the pontiac records. With that in mind, I don't believe GM will be releasing the Chevrolet records any time soon if at all.

I did leave feeling that in fact the records do exist, and are located in many different locations throughout the US.

Salvatore

10-10-2006, 05:22 AM

Thanks Steve for clearing that up about the numbers and records. Now....who are the chevy experts Ralph is talking about?

Schonyenko2

10-10-2006, 05:56 AM

Ralph, don't take the discussion on this car personal. An L89 nova is kinda a holy grail car. Some of us think they're out there, but some don't. I think the truth may lay somewhere in the middle with the aluminum heads being shipped with the car, and dealer installed before delivery. Problem with that is, why wouldn't chevy do it like the camaros, or chevelles, and corvettes, at the time of assembly and assign a code? I've had about 3 people tell me they have cars that came with the heads in the trunk, and were dealer installed, but none have the paper work/work order. I want someone to come up with the docs. But they will need to be complete, and verifiable. In the collector car world/market that we live in today, you need a paper trail, and even legal proof.
The guys here discussing this don't consider themselves experts,but they are pretty knowledgeable, and helpfull. The "experts" you talked to, honestly, should have known better, or explored further than they did, as it appears they lead you to an inaccurate answer.

They're out there. . . . somewhere. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

427rcode

10-10-2006, 06:13 AM

I GUESS EVERYONE IS RIGHT AND SO MUCH OF A EXPERT THAT I SHOULD NOT SELL THE CAR.JIM MATTISON WAS THE ONE WHO STATED THAT THE RECORDS WERE GOING TO BE RELEASED ALONG WITH A GM PERSON WHOS NAME WILL NOT BE MENTIONED.REALISTICALLY I DONT NEED TO SELL THE CAR AND NOW PROBALLY WONT.ILL DO MORE RESEARCH AND WAIT.HOPEFULLY ONE OF THE EXPERTS IN HERE WILL COME UP WITH SOME DOCUMENTATION.UNTILL THEN ILL PUT IT BACK WITH OTHER 28 CARS AND ENJOY IT.ONE THING I MUST SAY THAT THE FORD GUYS ARENT THIS CRITICAL.
66 FAIRLANE GTA CONV
66 FAIRLANE 500 427 R CODE
66FAIRLANE 500 427
67 427 RCODE
67 427 POST CAR
69 428 CJ THOROUGHBRED MUSTANG
93 RCODE MUSTANG
2000 R CODE
69 BOSS 429
70 BOSS 302
70 HEMI CUDA
70 HEMI ROADRUNNER
70 440 CHARGER R/T
70 340 DUSTER
69 SC/RAMBLER
70 REBEL MACHINE
THATS PART OF THE 28
GOOD LUCK

427rcode

10-10-2006, 06:15 AM

BY THE WAY I WONT LIST THE CHEVYS LOL

427rcode

10-10-2006, 06:16 AM

WHEN THE RECORDS DO COME OUT A LOT OF YOU WILL BE HEADING FOR THE BRIDGE

Jeff H

10-10-2006, 06:20 AM

You have to remember that it's easy for the Ford guys since the engine code is in the VIN. For GM people it's all about the original motor or some form of documentation like POP, window sticker, buildsheet, broadcast sheet, GM of Canada docs. I think you would do just as well offering the car up as an unrestored L78 with dealer installed alumnium heads. Using L89 in the description clouds the issue. It's a neat car with those heads regardless.

Belair62

10-10-2006, 06:25 AM

Come on Ralph...the Ford guys are just as critical. Especially when you are talking about R code cars !..and don't hold your breath on the Chevy records...

Charley Lillard

10-10-2006, 06:56 AM

Why are we assuming it is even a L78 ? Has anyone seen a stamping of the engine pad ?

"WHEN THE RECORDS DO COME OUT A LOT OF YOU WILL BE HEADING FOR THE BRIDGE"

Are you trying to say alot of our cars here are fake ?

70Z28RS5151

10-10-2006, 07:28 AM

Someone, quick... pass me some more popcorn. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif

kwhizz

10-10-2006, 07:29 AM

.ONE THING I MUST SAY THAT THE FORD GUYS ARENT THIS CRITICAL.

Maybe......the Ford guy's tell you what you want to hear.........SHEESH........Take a Pill......I notice that you didn't respond to Kim's request to say what the Engine suffix is.......that would tell a lot about the cars pedigree........Do you want to know what you bought or not........or is it more convienent to go by what your local experts say????
Don't take offense to what is offered.......Learn by it........ http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

budnate

10-10-2006, 07:34 AM

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I was at this years SCR and believe some people misinterpreted what Jim M. stated regarding Chevrolet releasing the documentation. I spoke to Jim later that evening and the next day to clarify what he actually stated. To that end I believe there is less chance of that happening now than ever before.
Presently there are issues with the releasing of the pontiac records. With that in mind, I don't believe GM will be releasing the Chevrolet records any time soon if at all.

I did leave feeling that in fact the records do exist, and are located in many different locations throughout the US.

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I also talked with Jim after dinner and came away with the same fealing Steve is saying,

my take is GM is probably not ever going to release the info, think about it, they would be in court for the next 200 years defending themselves, the first guys would be the 427 Vette guys, then the Z-28 guys.

as for the L-89 Nova until someone shows paperwork, or a real stamped suffix there a little tough to prove one way or the other, it would be different if even one with paper was around but so far nothing.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Charley Lillard

10-10-2006, 07:43 AM

GM released the Pontiac paperwork without legal worries so I don't see why they would now. It will probably just take the right circumstances with decision makers to make a decision to let Jim or someone else go after the records.

Ralph...Since Chevy has not released records we rely heavily on paperwork or orig engine stampings to document these cars. A good pic of your engine pad stamping would go a long way in proving or disproving your car.

Xplantdad

10-10-2006, 07:53 AM

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Don't take offense to what is offered.......Learn by it........ http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

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Bingo...

Ralph, these guys aren't trying to slam you at all. They are all true car guys...

L78M22Rag

10-10-2006, 09:51 AM

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my take is GM is probably not ever going to release the info, think about it, they would be in court for the next 200 years defending themselves

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GM of Canada doesn't seem to have any problems - their records are clear and are accepted as such. I don't see GM having anything to defend if they release their records. There may be other reasons for not releasing records? If they do... the courts will, however, be full with current owners going back to previous owners that misrepresented what they sold. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Buyer beware... and seller, be careful how you describe that "L89" car.

Steve Shauger

10-10-2006, 03:11 PM

"ONE THING I MUST SAY THAT THE FORD GUYS ARENT THIS CRITICAL."

That not true, go to the Boss 302 site, they can't even settle on if the optional rear was called a drag pack or
not.

I believe we only asked you basic questions such as, do you have documentation, pics of engine stamping, what is the engine coded and tachometer redline. If you consider that critical, so be it.

ORIGLS6

10-10-2006, 05:43 PM

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ONE THING I MUST SAY THAT THE FORD GUYS ARENT THIS CRITICAL.

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Based on my experience with a Boss 302 "DragPak" car earlier this year, that ain't true! The eventual buyer came armed to the Max with information, and covered every square inch of the car. They knew what they were looking at!

427rcode

10-10-2006, 06:00 PM

belair62
thanks for the response your right but i have the build sheets for my r code cars.the ford guys arent as critical it seems that help is not along the way here but rather throw you under the bus. when the list comes out ill bring the bus to the meet to pick people up for the bridge
have a nice day.

427rcode

10-10-2006, 06:02 PM

orig ls6
i mean critical in helping others not trying to belittle them in this forum.i understand what you mean just trying to clear things up

427rcode

10-10-2006, 06:12 PM

Charlie
the car is real wheather its a l-78 car or l-89 like i said at worst its a l-78 unrestored original jh block and the engine stamp is correct.so im not a chevy expert but i know its a matching numbers car.
by the way when i bought the car there were several supposely nova experts trying to buy it also not mentioning any names
FACT.

ORIGLS6

10-10-2006, 06:16 PM

Well, these guys weren't exactly kind to us when they scoured the car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif But I guess they liked what they saw 'cause, after HOURS of study, it left on their trailer.

Ralph, try to look at this in a different light. Like Schonye said, many of us look at an L89 Nova as the Holy Grail. If you had proof that one REALLY exists, you would be held in Extremely High Regard here. We're all just hoping to find a Unicorn! No offense intended. I hope it's real.

Mr70

10-10-2006, 06:18 PM

A JH suffix denotes the L-78 396/375HP engine.
A JJ suffix denotes the L-89 Aluminum head engine.

I don't think anoyone is being too critical here,just trying to understand what you are selling.
You're quoted as saying::
"I AM SELLING MY 69 NOVA SS L-89 1 OF 311 427 ALUM HEAD L-78 ALSO WITH THE MATCHING L-78 HEADS"...$85,000.00
Later you say...
the car is real wheather its a l-78 car or l-89 like i said at worst its a l-78 unrestored original jh block and the engine stamp is correct.so im not a chevy expert but i know its a matching numbers car."
So now it's not one of the 311 made L-89's,nor even a 427 engine?

When asked if this is the very same car for sale here,you said:
"no its not the car
i also have that car
that one is not for sale"

So you have two identical RG 69 Novas w/identical mileage and options,one for sale,and one not?

SS427

10-10-2006, 06:31 PM

Ralph,
I am just an outsider looking in and have no interest in the car but one things for sure, when you come onto a forum (any forum) and advertise your car for free I might add, then you should expect a few questions and some critiquing. It comes with the territory.

As many people have learned the hard way the experts on these sites can help you or they can hurt you in a very big way. Cop and attitude and it will follow you and your car for a very long time and if you do some research you will see what I mean. Many have asked you very sincerely for answers to a few questions yet you continue to skirt them.

All I am trying to say is it sounds like you have a very desirable and possibly extremely rare car. You are coming here trying to sell your car. Let the people help you sell and don't belittle them for doing that very thing you are asking for. Anyone who shells out $85k is going to ask you these very same questions. If you answer them the same way you have here, don't plan on selling it too quickly. People that avoid certain questions are usually trying to hide something. If in fact this is the real deal, you will be VERY thankful that these guys educated you on the car and forced you to acquire documentation as your profit level will greatly increase so just be careful. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

Moral of the story, the guys here are trying to help you NOT bad mouth you but you are not giving them much of a chance. As has been said earlier, the Mopars and Fords have better records than the Chevrolets. That and the fact that cloned Chevrolets are at an all time high means people want straight answers and not BS. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Nice collection by the way but I already told you that before.
Rick

Salvatore

10-10-2006, 06:42 PM

Ralph, You are getting alot of attention here for free! Especially for a FOMOCO guy. One of the chevy (experts,gurus) I know saw this car at Wildwood and thought that it was a very nice car, but the radiator support looked kind of different for a BB. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Maybe you don't want to be near that bus when the numbers come out! Might be dangerous. Post the docs and go from there. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

PeteLeathersac

10-10-2006, 06:45 PM

Wow, I had an easier time over the weekend introducing my new honey to Mom! .

Anyway, very cool car Ralph...it's this one right?

http://www.santiagosc.com/Nova%20SS%20396.htm

The L89 Nova debate has just never been clarified YET, so please stick around w/ the car and don't be too upset at the hungry pack of dogs reaction to the bone you've tossed? .

I see you've indicated previously it's a matching Vin JH suffix motor...so all would indicate shipped as an L78...and obviously the POP won't help. .

Did you ever get w/ the original owner or dealer? . If yes to either/both and no documents to support but there's agreement to the dealer installed thing...get a sworn statement(s) while possible! .
If nothing else ever shows up, this could be the closest things ever get to documenting these? .

For all who care...why when reviewing suffix possibilities for a factory shipped L89 Nova, each L89 suffix notes only Camaro yet when looking at L78 suffixes it notes a shared suffix w/ Camaro, Chevy 2/Novas? .
Maybe this happened when the info was gleaned but it looks this way in what I've read? .

If indeed factory shipped L89 Camaros were available and Nova's had to be finished at the dealer level, you'd think there'd have been a bulletin on this subject? .

And Ralph...nice list is right http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif
~ Pete

Stuart Adams

10-10-2006, 09:31 PM

Alot more mileage out of this one than should have been. Ralph, talks cheap, no disrespect, but what do you expect. Next.

427king

10-10-2006, 11:30 PM

I truly commend you guys for showing the restraint that you have thus far.

PPPJJJFFF

10-10-2006, 11:59 PM

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Patrick

rsatz28

10-11-2006, 12:14 AM

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THIS CAR IS THE REAL DEAL,I DONT BUY CARS THAT ARENT THE REAL DEAL.IVE HAD SEVERAL EXPERTS LOOK AT THE CAR BEFORE I BOUGHT IT YEARS AGO SO TAKE IT EASY,PEOPLE WHO KNOW ME KNOW WHAT I HAVE AND KNOW THE QUALITY OF CARS I OWN.SO IF YOUR INTERESTED AND HAVE 85,000 YOU CAN PURSUE THE PURCHASE.THANKS

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Is this the same car that was discussed Jan 04 after he purchased the car?

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/64298/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1
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THE CAR CAME FROM THE FACTORY WITH THE L78 HEADS,THE 427 HEADS WERE INSTALLED AT THE DEALERSHIP. I BELIEVE THERE WERE NO FACTORY 427 ALUM HEADS INSTALLED AT THE FACTORY
THANKS

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Steve Shauger

10-11-2006, 12:22 AM

That thread really clarifies what the owner was unable or unwilling to provide for us from the very beginning of this thread. No wild goose chase for me on this one.

Salvatore

10-11-2006, 12:34 AM

Amen Steve! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Kurt S

10-11-2006, 01:11 AM

JH code? Then it's an L78. The assembly plants didn't send spare engine components (e.g. alum heads) in the trunk. Those are dealer or owner added.

That took a lot to get to this point!

92646

10-11-2006, 01:32 AM

Did anybody notice the lack of screw in plugs on the ends of the heads? This car would have to be a very late production dated car or these are over the counter replacement heads from what I understand.
Mark Sheppard

Hotrodpaul

10-11-2006, 02:45 AM

I have a set of 842's on an L-78 block dated 3-69 and 5-69 with no plugs in either end as shown here:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/Hotrodpaul86/DSCN3647.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/Hotrodpaul86/DSCN3967.jpg

Paul

tom406

10-11-2006, 05:04 AM

I really do commend everyone who has posted here, Pretty much every response was thoughtful and considerate, particularly for an internet forum where flaming is all too easy.

As for a Ford analogy 427king, try to imagine a post of someone claiming to have a '68 427 Mustang. There's always someone claiming they saw one back then, or their dealer friend had one, and of course they made a few hundred Cougar GT-E's with 427's that year, so they MUST have made Mustangs, etc., but no one has brought one forward with a believable story or supporting docs.

L89 Novas are just the same, they coulda/shoulda been made just like the Camaros, but NOBODY has come up with a survivor. There are documented, no excuses examples of '68 COPO Novas (50 made), Deuces (178 made), even Yenko Novas (less than 10 and at least a couple of the ones remaining have bulletproof histories) out there, but NO L89 Novas. This tells me they were either exceedingly rare, or nonexhistent. Which means anybody claiming to have one better have a load of paperwork, and I'll be checking date codes on every piece of the drivetrain.

You have what sounds like an impressive collection, but that doesn't mean you don't make mistakes, particularly when getting into cars you're unfamiliar with. I would argue that about the time any of us think we've really got our stuff figured out, our arrogance usually undoes us. (That could be a lengthy Lounge topic.)

I apologize if I've crossed into the flaming area here, I really didn't want to, but I had to comment.

TOM

Charley Lillard

10-11-2006, 05:13 AM

LOL...Not sure why you are addressing it to 427king....

Salvatore

10-11-2006, 05:16 AM

WOW Tom, You sound like a scholar. I like the way you put it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif I also don't remember NHRA recognizing any 375 horse nova running in Stock Eliminator able to use aluminum heads till recently. (replacement head) The camaro was a different story though. Kim correct me if I am wrong.

427rcode

10-11-2006, 06:36 AM

dont worry Steve you donthave enough money to buy the car anyway

427king

10-11-2006, 06:59 AM

THE ENGINE DATE CODE IS TO224 JH
19W4336XX

tom406

10-11-2006, 07:52 AM

Apologies to 427king! Too late to edit, damn. I responded off of his posting, and got his "handle" mixed up with 427rcode.

Speaking of which, I see the response has fully devolved from the "it is because I say it is" phase to the "you're too broke to criticize or question me" phase. Hmmm.

For what its worth, all of the responses and points made in this thread would have been the same 5 or 6 years ago when this was a $20K car.

TOM aka tom406
(thats 406gcode to the FoMoCo friendly:)

rubbinisracing

10-11-2006, 08:48 AM

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dont worry Steve you donthave enough money to buy the car anyway

[/ QUOTE ]

Name calling? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

kwhizz

10-11-2006, 11:37 AM

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[ QUOTE ]
dont worry Steve you donthave enough money to buy the car anyway

[/ QUOTE ]

The "True" character comes out......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Name calling? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

BUIZILLA

10-11-2006, 04:00 PM

[ QUOTE ]
THE ENGINE DATE CODE IS TO224 JH
19W4336XX

[/ QUOTE ]okay dokey then....
we have now been told it's a 375 steel head motor by the owner since it's a JH, so his advertised lingo is not accurate, in fact it's downright misleading. So, it's impossible to be one of the 311 L89 engines built... with that said, it doesn't matter how much money anybody has, it's a mis-advertised, overpriced, steel headed L78 car, in great condition. It would have sold by now had it been advertised honestly, and correctly, because I would have probably bought it. And, I have the cabbage to do it. In a drawer, right now. And further, thats a 100% fact. However, I would have required at least a legit POP to back up any claims. But, I don't do business with ANYBODY that misleads the public, and allows this thread to go 5 pages without correction and clarification... At this point, it doesn't really matter how nice the car is, it's just another 375 steel headed car....

Good day, Jim

kwhizz

10-11-2006, 05:18 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
dont worry Steve you donthave enough money to buy the car anyway

[/ QUOTE ]

The "True" character comes out......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Name calling? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]

My last comment........RCode is a "Guy with Cars"......"Not" A Car Guy...........Who does't "Get it"

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Kim_Howie

10-11-2006, 06:11 PM

Al heads on Novas have only been run less than 5 years. Koppien's are the ones using them. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

427rcode

10-11-2006, 06:41 PM

hey jim get a life,like i said your a perfect example of some of the people in here trying to bash people,some are knowagble ,some are nasty,im not as smart as you and collect mostly fords.im not in the chevy seen and dont know a whole lot about them.i was told it was a l-89 but i know it probably isnt and its just a l-78 unrestored original thats pretty damm nice. i m sorry for the missunderstanding and sorry if i offended anyone.I WAS NOT TRYING TO MISLEED ANYONE.FOR PEOPLE WHO KNOW ME I WOULD NEVER DO THAT.
SO LETS NOT START ACTING LIKE LITTLE KIDS AND GROW UP.

427rcode

10-11-2006, 06:42 PM

JIM
BY THE WAY ITS JUST ANOTHER STEEL HEAD CAR THAT YOU DONT HAVE
DOOD DAY

427rcode

10-11-2006, 06:45 PM

KEN
I AM A CAR GUY AND HAVE BEEN GET A GRIP AND STOP THE NAME CALLING
GOOD LUCK
HOPE TO MEET UP SOME DAY

Xplantdad

10-11-2006, 06:48 PM

Ralph...please! It's time to relax a bit. Getting defensive doesn't do anything good. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

PPPJJJFFF

10-11-2006, 06:48 PM

Boy Ralph. I suggest you re-read the entire thread and move on. The boys asked legit questions and you've acted like Robert Conrad with the battery on his shoulder saying "go ahead, try to knock it off." Remember that one? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

Patrick

Stuart Adams

10-11-2006, 06:58 PM

This is stupid to say the least.

kwhizz

10-11-2006, 07:01 PM

[ QUOTE ]
KEN
I AM A CAR GUY AND HAVE BEEN GET A GRIP AND STOP THE NAME CALLING
GOOD LUCK
HOPE TO MEET UP SOME DAY

[/ QUOTE ]

Go back and read all of the posts........then think about your response's..........Nuff Said.....

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY

10-11-2006, 07:06 PM

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How critical were the two or three chevy experts that you had look at the car? A lot of folks looked at the car at Hershey, and noticed some things - hence the questions regarding the engine stamp and the tach. Can you post some pics?

[/ QUOTE ]

Any possibility of getting a pic of the engine stamp, the tach redline and the rad support? That would help determine if it's an L78.

Pacecarjeff

10-11-2006, 07:18 PM

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from page 4....
http://images.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/beatdeadhorse5.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Charley Lillard

10-11-2006, 07:26 PM

"I WAS NOT TRYING TO MISLEED ANYONE.FOR PEOPLE WHO KNOW ME I WOULD NEVER DO THAT."

"no its not the car
i also have that car
that one is not for sale"

The bottom statement kinda ruins the top statement.

I don't believe you have two identical cars like you said which is very misleading. Getting into a pissing contest with people that know more about Chevys than you do is just going to make things worse. Please just post pics of the engine pad, radiator core support and learn from Chevy guys about Chevys. It would be better to learn now, good or bad.

kwhizz

10-11-2006, 07:33 PM

[ QUOTE ]
"I WAS NOT TRYING TO MISLEED ANYONE.FOR PEOPLE WHO KNOW ME I WOULD NEVER DO THAT."

"no its not the car
i also have that car
that one is not for sale"

The bottom statement kinda ruins the top statement.

I don't believe you have two identical cars like you said which is very misleading. Getting into a pissing contest with people that know more about Chevys than you do is just going to make things worse. Please just post pics of the engine pad, radiator core support and learn from Chevy guys about Chevys. It would be better to learn now, good or bad.

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Steve Shauger

10-11-2006, 09:30 PM

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dont worry Steve you donthave enough money to buy the car anyway

[/ QUOTE ]

You sound like my financial adviser and wife...LOL. Oh and thanks for the message with those kind words you left on my cell phone.

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY

10-11-2006, 09:33 PM

Please tell me the upper control arms, hood latch, wiper motor, and brake bracket items are no longer chrome? It appears to missing a key nut on the core support as well, but it might be the angle of the photo.

It would clear a lot of fog if you could post some pics of the requested items, as of now it appears that the L78 claim is in question.

deuce-less

10-11-2006, 09:37 PM

in my opinion having a nice original L-78 nova would be very nice. i guess it's human nature to want to own some of the rarest production cars. in the end, it is what it is.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Lynn

10-11-2006, 09:43 PM

I would have to agree, under the circumstances, there has been a lot of restraint. Am I wrong, or is the primary focus of this site education and preservation? Getting to list items for sale (for free!) is just a bonus, albeit one for which I am grateful. I have been able to find buyers for some rare parts on this site, but also ERRONEOUSLY listed one item as something it was not. I was quickly educated and was APRECIATIVE of the education. So my part wasn't worth what I thought it was. Big deal. I got an education.

When you list something here, especially "one of 311", you should expect some scrutiny. AND I for one, don't think the thickness of your wallet should determine whether you can take part in the educational process of that scrutiny.

JMHO.

Lynn

Late BrakeU2

10-11-2006, 10:32 PM

Interesting

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/64298/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1

DarrenX33

10-11-2006, 10:43 PM

Good read in that link Mark. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[ QUOTE ]
THE CAR CAME FROM THE FACTORY WITH THE L78 HEADS,THE 427 HEADS WERE INSTALLED AT THE DEALERSHIP. I BELIEVE THERE WERE NO FACTORY 427 ALUM HEADS INSTALLED AT THE FACTORY
THANKS

[/ QUOTE ]

427king

10-12-2006, 12:35 AM

Re: 1969 NOVA SS L-89 ONE OF 311 UNRESTORED ORIGINAL
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-WOW-1969-CAMARO-SS-L89_W0QQitemZ120040923339QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6161QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
It must be L89 week, ive seen 5/6 cars for sale this week alone,and about 40 references to heads and parts being on only 311 cars and L89 specific . I guess one jerk pays too much for his car on ebay last month and this is the result http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BARRY

10-12-2006, 01:33 AM

HI I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CASTING DATE ON THE CAMARO BLOCK

427rcode

10-12-2006, 05:53 AM

MARLIN
I CALLED AND LEFT A MESSAGE FOR YOU BEFORE I POSTED THE CAR SINCE I WAS TOLD YOU WERE ONE OF THE EXPERTS.I WISH YOU HAD RETURNED MY PHONE CALL THEN MAYBE ALL THIS BULL---- WOUDNT HAVE GONE DOWN.IM JUST A POOR FORD GUY WITH A FEW CHEVYS AND SINCE IM NOT A CHEVY EXPERT THERE TRYING TO CUT MY BALLS OFF.ANYWAY IT IS WHAT IT IS AND THATS IT.I JUST WISH THE PEOPLE IN HERE COULD BE A LITTLE NICER AND STOP THE BASHING.I ONLY WANTED TO SELL THE CAR NOT GET TORCHORED,LOL,I GUESS I LL LEARN SOMETHING FROM THIS,BELIEVE ME I DON NEED TO SELL THE CARAND DONT NEED THE MONEY SO ILL KEEP IT AND WAIT.IF ANYONE NEEDS HELP ON A 427 FAIRLANE LET ME KNOW ILL HELP NOT BASH.IF ANY ONE WONTS TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE BASHING HAVE FUN.MY ITALIAN INSTICTS WONT GET IN THE WAY.CANT WAIT TO SEE SOME OF THESE BASHERS IN PERSON,THEY MIGHT HAVE THERE HANDS FULL
GGOD LUCK

kwhizz

10-12-2006, 05:55 AM

Marlin........You trouble Maker.........LOL

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Mr70

10-12-2006, 06:09 AM

Are you placing Marlin on the grassy knoll too?
You are unreal..

@wot

10-12-2006, 06:15 AM

I hope this isn't the end, I won't have anything to read for the rest nof the week.

SS427

10-12-2006, 06:27 AM

Ralph,
There is this little button on the left of your keyboard, third from the bottom, labled "Caps Lock". Any chance you might try pushing it again? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Lighten up. Most people that have reacted the way you have would have been blown off of here a long time ago. These guys are really only trying to help you out and/or are just interested in finding out the information. By now 2/3rds the muscle car community knows of this car and this sort of publicity is not doing you OR your car any good. jmo http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Rick

Charley Lillard

10-12-2006, 06:57 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Re: 1969 NOVA SS L-89 ONE OF 311 UNRESTORED ORIGINAL
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-WOW-1969-CAMARO-SS-L89_W0QQitemZ120040923339QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6161QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
It must be L89 week, ive seen 5/6 cars for sale this week alone,and about 40 references to heads and parts being on only 311 cars and L89 specific . I guess one jerk pays too much for his car on ebay last month and this is the result http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL..It just dawned on me who that jerk was....

Charley Lillard

10-12-2006, 07:10 AM

Ralph.....What if we tried to sell you a R model Fairlane but when you asked for the vin we ignore your request. You have been asked several times to just show pics of what we would consider the "R" but you have ignored us. You can consider it bashing but you really bring it on yourself. It is OK to be wrong. Your response always seems to be to take the offensive instead of just showing us the "R" and sorting out what your car really is. Now you want to meet up with the bashers and they will have their hands full ? Are you like 14 years old ? We have bent over backwards but it won't last much longer. You have been cut alot of slack because you are not just someone coming to the site to peddle cars. If you were a outsider that came here trying to sell your car the way you have you would be long gone by now.

Belair62

10-12-2006, 07:18 AM

Just a little overzealous advertising Ralph...no worries

[ QUOTE ]
MY ITALIAN INSTICTS WONT GET IN THE WAY

[/ QUOTE ]

And Yo !! Have Pasta-Will travel http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

TXSS

10-12-2006, 08:20 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Re: 1969 NOVA SS L-89 ONE OF 311 UNRESTORED ORIGINAL
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet...1QQcmdZViewItem
It must be L89 week, ive seen 5/6 cars for sale this week alone,and about 40 references to heads and parts being on only 311 cars and L89 specific . I guess one jerk pays too much for his car on ebay last month and this is the result

[/ QUOTE ]

Here's an email I sent the seller:

"Nice Camaro. Are you saying that it (IS) one of the 311 L78's made in 69 or that it is (like) one of the 311. If it is one of the 311 can you send a picture of the block pad to [email protected] . Also, what documentation do you have on the car."

Here's the response:

"ALL THE INFORMATION WE PROVIDED WAS TOLD TO US BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER. IF THERE IS INFO THAT YOU KNOW THAT MIGHT HELP US PLEASE LET US KNOW. THANKS"

It's always the same with sellers like that. Plausible deniability.

Rick

427king

10-12-2006, 08:31 AM

"LOL..It just dawned on me who that jerk was"......Yes, that "jerk" would be yours truly http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif....

Mr Yenko

10-12-2006, 08:45 AM

Lets see, I have been a Chevy guy all my life. And if I came across a RARE Ford, I think I would have done some research before shooting of my mouth. And shame on Marlin for not jumping to your aid when he has own life to live. Maybe, JUST MAYBE he had more important things on his mind like his own life. People like this just kill me that you should jump when they tell or ask us. The bottom line, do your own homework before you put a car up FOR SALE.
The "MOF"

Late BrakeU2

10-12-2006, 09:08 AM

Looks like the cAPsloCK follows a few pulls..and I ain't talkin dynojet. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

mmcporter

10-12-2006, 09:40 AM

This guy's unbelievable...if Marlin ends up in the trunk of an R-Code Fairlane we'll know why....

kwhizz

10-12-2006, 03:35 PM

Spellchecker................. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY

10-12-2006, 05:05 PM

HA http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif Now this is getting good!

My wife calls me two weeks ago and says this guy Ralph so-n-so called, and I'm to call him back. I ask what about, but Ralph didn't say. I don't call him back then, sounds like a telemarketer to me. The next time you call wanting something, leave a message if it's a Nova question.

This thread has gone very smoothly, the only requests are for you to show the pics of the tach (reportedly a low redline, indicating an L34 or L48), core support (appears to missing a vital nut specific to BB cars), and the engine stamp (reportedly boogered up, and might be a rehit). If you could oblige the requests, you just might enjoy this experience!

BTW, don't threaten people - that will get you booted off of this site, and you will 'sleep with the rabbits'.

BBIGG BLOCK 396

10-12-2006, 05:29 PM

Damn I am glad I don't know enough about any cars to get into discussions like this! It has been FUNNY THOUGH! I guess when GM comes out with all the NUMBERS for everyone! Is that going to be like when the stock market CRASHED many years ago! How many people you figure will be RUN OVER by that BUS!I have a 67 chevelle SS with aluminum heads does that mean it is a L89! So I bought them frome EDELBROCK does that really matter!I had them stored in the trunk of the car for 2 months before I gathered all the internals for the engine!I do have the paperwork on them and the old 396 steel heads to boot! OK I will behave now just funning everyone a little!

ORIGLS6

10-12-2006, 06:03 PM

I'm startin to think someone else needs that Blow Tube on their computer. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Let's keep it going for a while. It's been kinda boring lately................. except for this http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif.

Pacecarjeff

10-12-2006, 06:50 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Let's keep it going for a while. It's been kinda boring lately................. except for this http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif.

[/ QUOTE ]

I could always start something....Huh Charlie? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

10-12-2006, 08:23 PM

Ralph, I know a freelance photo journalist who would love to do a
feature article on both your Rally Green L78 and L89 Novas for a
major magazine..............................Marvel
Comics..........All kidding aside, I believe we met at the Great
Adventure Cruise in Jackson NJ. you were nice to the people who
admired your Ford and I believe you to be a "car guy". It isn't the
first time someone got their tit in the wringer describing a car
they are selling. I'm relatively new at posting on this site, however
I've met many members at car shows and most would go out of their way
to help decipher your car. A documented L89 Nova factory or dealer
prepped would have to have iron clad paperwork to back it up and be a
crowning jewel to a collector. Without supporting docks your ship
will sink! Hope to see you next season at Great Adventure. I'll bring
the vino, the macaroni and gravy are on you! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

SSJunkie68-69

10-12-2006, 09:26 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I guess one jerk pays too much for his car on ebay last month and this is the result

[/ QUOTE ]

Admitting to the problem is the first step towards recovery!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Seriously though 427King, check your PM's. I sent you one and have some info you might be interested in.

HEMIBEE

10-12-2006, 09:59 PM

kind of reminds me of the MOTOWN days, sit back drink beer and watch the stones fly.

Kim_Howie

10-12-2006, 10:24 PM

What ever happen to him??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

king_midas

10-12-2006, 11:31 PM

I call complete b.s. on this story. No manufacturer, then or now, would give two sets of heads with a new car purchase. No way.

Think of it like this-- When you dealer ordered your headers for the Z/28, did they give you the exhaust manifolds? Nope.

A dealer would have kept the L78 heads for warranty work, as dealers do now with factory-supported (i.e.: Warranty-friendly) aftermarket parts. VW does it with switched-out parts, Honda does it, GM does it...

This story is bogus. Don't believe it.

Aaah, the joy of collecting Chevys continues...

427king

10-12-2006, 11:42 PM

A customer of mine sent my son this.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif I guess L88s fit in hummers

427king

10-13-2006, 02:39 AM

I always thought the 311 production number was L89 camaros and novas combined,with unknown number for novas[if any at all]. Is that true,or was it 311 camaros only.?

67L78conv

10-13-2006, 04:07 AM

I have always heard/read it as being 311 Camaros only.

Denis

10-13-2006, 04:43 AM

311 L-89 Camaros is pretty much accepted gospel per the Camaro reference books over at least the past twenty years. Here are actual page scans from four such books:

Big Book of Camaro Data 1967-1973 (1995) - Page 47
by John Hooper:

http://corvettes-musclecars.com/yenko.net/JohnHooper.jpg

Camaro (2002) - Page 55
by Steve Statham:

http://corvettes-musclecars.com/yenko.net/SteveStatham.jpg

Gm Muscle Cars (2002) - Page 50
by William G Holder, Phillip Kunz:

http://corvettes-musclecars.com/yenko.net/HolderAndKunz.jpg

Camaro - (1995) Page 40
by William Holder, Phillip Kunz, Phil Kurz:

http://corvettes-musclecars.com/yenko.net/KunzHolderAndKurz.jpg

What might explain the L89 Nova confusion is the excerpt below wherein the authors apparently confused Camaro numbers for Nova numbers:

Super Chevy's Nova Handbook: Restoration and Performance for 1963-1967 Chevy Novas (2000) - Page 10
by Super Chevy Magazine Editors:

http://corvettes-musclecars.com/yenko.net/SuperChevy.jpg

Steve Shauger

10-13-2006, 04:46 AM

The 272# for 1968 and 311# for 1969 was exclusive to the Camaro.

427king

10-13-2006, 05:22 AM

Whats odd is that the 69 camaro and nova shared the same engine HP code suffix [JH JJ for example is 375HP for both cars]. Im not aware of any other cars being like that. Probably why some have assumed there were combined production #s ?

JIM

10-13-2006, 10:45 PM

In Ralphs defense, I have known Him personally for years, His Ford and AMC collection is concourse with one of the Finest R-code 69's in the world!!!. The information in printed matter is confusing to those not familar with the Bowtie especially with the 69 L-78 production as it lumps the total units produced. This is also true of the 70 model year for the L-78. I don't know how this car was rep'd to Him. I have never seen this car in person to check it out , I completed the sale of his aquiring a Hemi car last Year and He is straight up , on this matter just misdirected by another one of those supposed experts whose mother's, cousins brothers neighbor had one just like it. This site I beleive is to help those who don't know learn and gain knowledge from those who do. At times I see it as a Belittling to Newbies and Novices which just sours the Hobby, Its Ok to have Fun but there is a line that we shouldn't cross. Jim http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Stefano

10-13-2006, 10:57 PM

Jim,
You have me confused, which can be easy to do? 1970 Camaro and Nova L78 production is separate?

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY

10-13-2006, 11:03 PM

[ QUOTE ]
In Ralphs defense, I have known Him personally for years, His Ford and AMC collection is concourse with one of the Finest R-code 69's in the world!!!. The information in printed matter is confusing to those not familar with the Bowtie especially with the 69 L-78 production as it lumps the total units produced. This is also true of the 70 model year for the L-78. I don't know how this car was rep'd to Him. I have never seen this car in person to check it out , I completed the sale of his aquiring a Hemi car last Year and He is straight up , on this matter just misdirected by another one of those supposed experts whose mother's, cousins brothers neighbor had one just like it. This site I beleive is to help those who don't know learn and gain knowledge from those who do. At times I see it as a Belittling to Newbies and Novices which just sours the Hobby, Its Ok to have Fun but there is a line that we shouldn't cross. Jim http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

All it takes is a few pics to answer the questions that have been asked several times. Nobody is judging Ralph's character here, just the claims about the car....

1967Z28

10-14-2006, 12:01 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Think of it like this-- When you dealer ordered your headers for the Z/28, did they give you the exhaust manifolds? Nope.

[/ QUOTE ]

Not trying to get off on a tangent but the above is not a true statement. A '67 or '68 Z-28 that was ordered with factory supplied headers, would have had both the exhaust manifolds and the headers supplied with the car. The manifolds would have been installed on the engine and it was up to the owner or dealership to install the headers themselves. I bought my green '67 Z from the original owner and it was ordered with the headers and the owner verified that he had the headers installed and he gave me the original manifolds and section of exhaust pipe which was removed to make way for the headers. They were like brand new. The original window sticker verified the car was a RPO Z28BD, which was a factory header and cowl plenum car. Both air cleaners also came with the car. The chrome open element one on the engine and the cowl plenum stuff in the box. No malice intended here. Just setting the record straight.

-Jon

SS427

10-14-2006, 12:07 AM

As I said earlier,

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"Lighten up. Most people that have reacted the way you have would have been blown off of here a long time ago. These guys are really only trying to help you out and/or are just interested in finding out the information. By now 2/3rds the muscle car community knows of this car and this sort of publicity is not doing you OR your car any good."

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"Moral of the story, the guys here are trying to help you NOT bad mouth you but you are not giving them much of a chance."

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Jim,
I do not believe anyone here is responding to Ralph "just to have fun". They have all been for the most part very sincere in trying to answer a few questions. The difference is when some of them (ask) the question it goes unanswered. Two things I have learned about this site. If you do not give http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif you will not get http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif back but rather very thorough and genuine information. The second thing is if you come on board with an attitude, you will likely no go very far and from what I have seen it really does not matter who you are regardless of how long you have been here, how much you own or how financially secure you are. People seem to treat others at face value. I don't think people purposely try to "belittle Newbies or Novices" but when someone comes on board with an attitude that they are right and everyone else is wrong, it is destined for failure.

That being said, they (the people with expertise) have only tried to help Ralph get to the bottom of his car and it's heritage and help him word the add in such a way that would have helped him sell the car not hurt it. Quite honestly knowing some of the guys that are experts on the Nova on this site and knowing their personality, I am very surprised that Ralph was not flamed out, tared and feathered from the get go. They are only trying to help!

Maybe it is just me but a lot of people seem to always be looking for an argument or a fight. When you look the other way and still try to help them it only makes them try harder to cause controversy. Read back on many of the threads here by some of the people that are no longer here and you will see what I mean. On the other hand we have also lost some very good people due to some being too harsh so it has to be a two way street. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Anyone who knows me know that I do not like controversy and try to get along with anyone and everyone but enough is enough! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif
Rick

Late BrakeU2

10-14-2006, 12:20 AM

Have to agree here,ample time was given for damage control but the low road was chosen instead.Credibility on this car diminished propotionate to the longer the requested info was not made available.Moderators showed extreme constraint IMO.

Steve Shauger

10-14-2006, 12:38 AM

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Think of it like this-- When you dealer ordered your headers for the Z/28, did they give you the exhaust manifolds? Nope.

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Not trying to get off on a tangent but the above is not a true statement. A '67 or '68 Z-28 that was ordered with factory supplied headers, would have had both the exhaust manifolds and the headers supplied with the car. The manifolds would have been installed on the engine and it was up to the owner or dealership to install the headers themselves. I bought my green '67 Z from the original owner and it was ordered with the headers and the owner verified that he had the headers installed and he gave me the original manifolds and section of exhaust pipe which was removed to make way for the headers. They were like brand new. The original window sticker verified the car was a RPO Z28BD, which was a factory header and cowl plenum car. Both air cleaners also came with the car. The chrome open element one on the engine and the cowl plenum stuff in the box. No malice intended here. Just setting the record straight.

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I knew you or Zedder were going to set him straight. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

Kim_Howie

10-14-2006, 12:48 AM

Also the 68 nova & camaro http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

PeteLeathersac

10-14-2006, 12:53 AM

It's really too bad Ralph dropped the ball. .
I was hoping he was just mistaken and those 'experts' had simply confused things for him but thought he'd eventually come around? .
L89 story aside, with no response to the basic questions, for me it's left a taste of being doubtful of even originally been an L78 car? .
Too bad as it's a clean ship and the color looks great...especially w/ the steelies! .

http://www.santiagosc.com/Nova%20SS%20396.htm

~ Pete

JIM

10-14-2006, 02:16 AM

The CKO code as well as the CTY code was also used in the Chevelle and Elcamino in 1970. Jim http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

Rick H

10-15-2006, 05:27 PM

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The CKO code was also used on the 1970 L78 Camaro and Nova's as well.

Rick H.

JIM

10-17-2006, 07:22 PM

Yes thats what I said about the production on page 7 . Thats why its confusing to some people. Jim

mmcporter

10-18-2006, 03:34 AM

I agree. This is a good looking car that would make someone really happy. "Just" being an L78 Nova would have been special enough for someone to pay good $$ for this car.

Belair62

10-18-2006, 04:38 AM

I agree..Ralph seems like a cool guy and I know he knows his R code stuff...Just got a bit messed up and caught by surprise with the L89 stuff http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY

10-27-2006, 01:19 AM

Here's the Nut http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/aacorp/radsupportnuts.jpg

The rad opening:

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/aacorp/coresupport.jpg

The crossmember:

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/aacorp/crossmember.jpg

Allen

10-27-2006, 04:30 AM

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Here's the Nut http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/aacorp/radsupportnuts.jpg

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Marlin,
There you go..... showing a picture of my nut again!

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY

10-27-2006, 04:58 PM

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Sorry to hear you just have the one http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Allen

10-27-2006, 09:14 PM

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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Sorry to hear you just have the one http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

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That picture shows both of my nuts.... one is just lower than the other. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

ORIGLS6

10-27-2006, 10:38 PM

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one is just lower than the other. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif Not that uncommon. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY

10-27-2006, 11:52 PM

TMI = Too Much Information http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

PeteLeathersac

10-28-2006, 12:07 AM

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one is just lower than the other.

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Isn't that a sign of an impending hernia? .

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
~ Pete

raw muscle cars

11-07-2006, 07:56 AM

Here something to look at....

http://www.legendarymotorcar.com/home.htm

raw muscle cars

11-07-2006, 07:57 AM

Look under restorations at the L89 NOVA .

kwhizz

11-07-2006, 03:38 PM

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I'm sure http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif they have Documentation http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif to back-up http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif their L-89 Claim http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif........After all, they are the Expert's http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif..........."Right" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Xplantdad

11-07-2006, 04:05 PM

Looks like a New Jersey car? If I'm reading the plates right? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY

11-07-2006, 04:48 PM

Several were asked to look at that car when we were at the Delaware Valley Nova Show in AC, NJ. The verdict was that it appeared to be nice SS Nova with some alum heads, no proof whatsoever of it being an L89 car.

I thought the car was briefly owned by the OCC shop http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

The car has been at Legendary for awhile, but there is still no proof. Remember, LMC will restore your car to your spec's, so if you say it's an L89, L72, L71 - that's what you will get. They won't authenticate it, or do your research for you. They are not a specialty shop, they restore many types of cars, so if you want a Nova that can compete with an SCW or NNN restored car - well..... send it to them http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Personaly, I don't think there are any '70 L89 Novas, possibly '68 or '69's, but no '70's.