Herbie's Hugger L89 Super Stock Camaro

[Stefano]

Nickey just recently purchased a 1969 Camaro L89 Super Stocker. I am looking for information and action photos of the car.

Any additional help would be greatly appreciated.

Info provided by Sam Scardino from the 1973 N.E.D. NHRA Annual (North East Division 1)

"To win the Division Championship in the North East Division in Super Stock eliminator is quite an accomplishment. It is common place to find over 150 Super Stocks entered in competition and making the call for the first round of eliminations at any event.

It is refreshing to see a family effort move into the Winner's circle in one of the hardest fought eliminators there is to win.

Such are the dividends being reaped by the DeSalve family of DuBois, PA.

The race car is owned by father Herbert DeSalve, age 54, driven by the youngest of two brothers, Barry, and is crew chiefed by 29 year old Richard DeSalve.

The father and sons team started in 1967 with a pure stock '67 GTO which was converted to a stocker in 1968.

In 1969 the present "Herbie's Hugger" Camaro was obtained for competition in Super Stock. The team was a regular in Division One NHRA All-Star Super Stock Circuit in '69,'70 and '72.

The Tri-County Performance Entry was the quickest SS/DA Chevy at all major NHRA events attended in 1971 and 1972 and established it to be the quickest of all entries in the All-American Racing team heads-up Super Stock circuit in '73 by garnering four straight wins in a row, in addition, to the Division Championship laurels.

The many hours of work and toil have paid off in big dividends for the DeSalve family and it may do well for others to take note of this dertirmined effort."

Thanks again Sam!

[Stefano]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/StefanoBimbi/Herbies%20Hugger/HerbieVintage1969-1.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/StefanoBimbi/Herbies%20Hugger/BarryandHerbie1969.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/StefanoBimbi/Herbies%20Hugger/herbiesideshotathome.jpg

[Salvatore]

Always was a big threat in DIV-1. Always ran on or around the record. Very nice find Stefano. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Chevy454]

You do know you're killing me with these cars, Stefano... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[Stefano]

I think these old race cars are very cool, especially when they have multifaceted and solid underlining historical significance.

I can't take credit for finding it, only in taking advantage of buying it when it became available.

Sam that info you sent me said it all!

[sYc]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[Stefano]

Does anyone have a copy of the October 1973 Car Craft Magazine, there is supposed to be a pictute of Herbie's Hugger in it?

[Xplantdad]

Call Bob Ashton...if anyone has one...it'd be him! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[SuperNovaSS]

AWESOME!

[ss427copo]

Geeezzzz......I'm feelin old now! I REMEMBER THAT car. I would go to the races with Sherwood Allen, also a SS/DA and EA guy, with his Soul Survivor 69 SS. (he was Nicky to me!)

Jeff http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gifx2

[Salvatore]

Your feelin old!!! How do you think I feel? I even look old. Sam http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Born30YrsLate]

Awesome car...got any recent photos?...I'm a picture collector http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[Xplantdad]

Hey Stefano...you've got a PM! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Stefano]

Bruce thanks for the pics!

The car has been restored to look like back in the Super Stock days. Notice that the car was also sponsored by Vitar Engineering. I will have some as is today pics soon.

This is another race car that was not cut up very much (for a race car that is) It has what appears to be original sheet metal, floor pans, mini tubs and most of the trunk and extensions. Many of these cars had the cowls cut out and were back halved latter in life, but not this one.

Trim tag and vin as well as all secondary Vins have never been messed with.

This Car did battle with some of the most Famous and significant Super Stockers of all time, such as Grumpy Jenkins and Sox & Martin and Carried the Chevrolet Banner very prominently and successfully.

On the back of the Spoiler was written "Chevy against the World".

If anyone has pics of this car in action I would greatly appeciate a copy.

Cool pic of the "Soul Survivor". I was told that this too was originally a factory L89 Camaro?

[bashton]

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Does anyone have a copy of the October 1973 Car Craft Magazine, there is supposed to be a pictute of Herbie's Hugger in it?

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Should have that one; will check tonight!

[Xplantdad]

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Does anyone have a copy of the October 1973 Car Craft Magazine, there is supposed to be a pictute of Herbie's Hugger in it?

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Should have that one; will check tonight!

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See!

Bob...you're one cool cat! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[bashton]

[ QUOTE ]
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Does anyone have a copy of the October 1973 Car Craft Magazine, there is supposed to be a pictute of Herbie's Hugger in it?

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Should have that one; will check tonight!

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Found it, and found the color shot of Herbies Hugger inside! Will drop it in the mail. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Stefano]

No Matter what they say about you, your still the best Auction Block Driver in the business. For Arizona remember the race cars are reverse shift pattern and no Wheelies in the parking lot.

Thanks!

[bashton]

[ QUOTE ]
No Matter what they say about you, your still the best Auction Block Driver in the business. For Arizona remember the race cars are reverse shift pattern and no Wheelies in the parking lot.

Thanks!

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[MosportGreen66]

do any current pictures of this car exsist?
Because I don't know about anyone else, but I would sure love to see them

[Chevy454]

Here's a couple I have...

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/239711-11.jpg

[Chevy454]

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/239712-22.jpg

[Salvatore]

That looks GREAT! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Stefano]

Those are unauthorized spy photos http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif I was waiting to get the S/S Cragars on it.

[superstock427]

Nice car...as my friends down south would say that's one "BODACIOUS" machine...great history...Alex

[Kim_Howie]

Alex, I haven't heard that word in awhile. That is what we call some race cars. "Bodacious" Then we called them Illegal when your caught cheating at the track. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Don't get any nicer than that. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

Sweeeeeet...if that don't give a real Chevy guy a chub on, Viagra ain't gonna' help much! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif .

Love those vintage shots...hey Rick, that racing jacket shot reminds me I've gotta' dig through the closets for you when I'm at my folks place over the holidays!
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
~ Pete

[SS427]

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Alex, I haven't heard that word in awhile. That is what we call some race cars. "Bodacious" Then we called them Illegal when your caught cheating at the track. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

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When I was in High School, that word was usually followed by "Ta Ta's"......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Rick

[Kim_Howie]

I remember that one!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[SS427]

Bodacious Ta Ta's (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Othermuscle&Number=240858& Searchpage=1&Main=240097&Words=cameltoe&topic=&Sea rch=true#Post240858)

[Chevy454]

!!!! PG warning !!!!

I'll see your bodacioius ta ta's, and raise you a pair of *wet* bodacious ta ta's (http://www.yenko.net/attachments/linda0065.jpg)...courtesy of Linda Vaughn!

[Kim_Howie]

Hummmm dougnuts. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif Yummm...I can't recall ever seeing that one Rob http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif thanks for sharing! .
She's such a doll...I think I'd even like to see her do a new version of the same shot? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif .

Here I am thinking of those 50/51 Studebakers again for some reason? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif .
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
~ Pete

[SS427]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Now do you understand how that name started? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Rick

[Chevy454]

We're getting sidetracked here, but I'll throw these up and then run... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/linda0062.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/linda0063.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/linda0064.jpg

[SS427]

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We're getting sidetracked here, but I'll throw............. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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And your point is..........? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Do you hear anyone complaining? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Rick

[superstock427]

Not Linda, But I think I see her in the stands. Photo courtesy of Auto Imagery.

Alex

PS-more ta ta's please

[copo69]

A little more mature.

[Mr70]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/Rick_Peters/bigeyes.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/Rick_Peters/bigeyes.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Same car?

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/aacorp/HerbHug.jpg

[Kim_Howie]

One of the best looking Super Stocks around!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[Salvatore]

[ QUOTE ]
Same car?

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/aacorp/HerbHug.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]Yep! Probably with a SB in it at this point.

[Stefano]

Cool Pic. Where did you find it? Yes, it is the same car and it seems that the Desalve Family did run a small block for a season.

[Z28fan]

Here's another pic of the car.

http://shutter08.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/07/006/1F/39/8D/1F/tDX9vEkvDj0UBsB5KcqXWq-zOPNTq3R00180.jpg

[Salvatore]

A great picture!! Looks like SS/D on the window. The 427 motor. Can't place the drag strip though. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

That pic I posted is on EBaY.

[Stefano]

Anyone know a Cheverolet Dealer in College PA?

[Mr70]

Could you mean State College PA.?
I know of a car sold new from Stocker Chevrolet in State College PA. in 1970 at 701 Benner Pike-Zone 13 Dealer 806.
I believe they moved and are in Bellefonte PA. today.

[Stefano]

Thats it. I could only read the "ker" for Stocker Chevrolet and "e" for State, off the Window Sticker.

Thanks!

[Mr70]

Fuget about it.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

The salesman at Stocker Chev. told me they nicknamed their gobi beige deuce 'calves shitt brown' http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif That's just not right, http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif but their gobi beige deuce survives today, still painted gobi http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Bill Pritchard]

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The salesman at Stocker Chev. told me they nicknamed their gobi beige deuce 'calves shitt brown'

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Musta been a clever marketing tactic http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Stefano]

I've collected quite a few pics and info about Herbie's Hugger. I'll post some of the Vintage stuff soon.

Here is the original Window Sticker, which the DeSalve's had kept along with the original Keys, knock outs and owners manual. Barry also provided some cool pics and vintage news paper clippings,as well as other related info.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/StefanoBimbi/Herbies%20Hugger/HerbiesHuggerwindowsticker1.jpg

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Nice paperwork!!

[Stefano]

Booth & Aarons Handled the Engine building early on and John Lingenfelter Built H.H's. engines later on.

Barry said that they traded the L89 as credit on their first Booth Aarons built 427.


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/StefanoBimbi/Herbies%20Hugger/HerbieNews1969Lingefelder.jpg

[427king]

I always thought the L89 head option added over 800.00 to the separate option of L78[additional]. It appears to be a 300.00 plus option on the window sticker shown,unless im reading it wrong. I believe an L89 was over a 1100.00 option because the heads had to be added to the L78 option and paid in addition

[Charley Lillard]

394.95=L89

[Stefano]

I have seen RPO L89 listed as $710.95 for 1969 which was the L78 396 with aluminum heads. It appears that a net credit for the L78 was provided, which was $316.00. This nets out to the $394.95 L89 option price on the window sticker.

This way you weren't paying 2X for the 396 option.

[427king]

I think its written in a few publications that the L89 option was actually in addition to the L78 and some have it listed as one with the L78 not being needed first for the L89 option.

[Stefano]

Team Photo.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/StefanoBimbi/Herbies%20Hugger/HerbiesHuggercolorteamphoto1969.jpg

[Stefano]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/StefanoBimbi/Herbies%20Hugger/HerbiesHuggerLaunching1969.jpg

[Stefano]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/StefanoBimbi/Herbies%20Hugger/HerbiesHuggerNewsAllAmericanCanadia.jpg

[Mike]

This was recently posted on the Yahoo StockSSdragracing group.

Mike

[DarrenX33]

That car is so boss!! Great pics Stefano. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Stefano]

Thanks for the pic, I didn't have that one.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/StefanoBimbi/Herbies%20Hugger/HerbiesHuggerLaunchingpaintscheeme2.jpg

[Stefano]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/StefanoBimbi/Herbies%20Hugger/HerbieHuggerBWinPits1969Sideview.jpg

[Born30YrsLate]

SWEEEEEEET!....

[MosportGreen66]

any recent photos of the car?

[Kurt S]

In 69, L78 and L89 were 2 separate options. L78 was required for L89 to be ordered.

Different pricing system in 68 - L89 $$ included L78.

[427king]

Kurt, Ive also heard it was more expensive to buy aluminum heads over the counter than the list price as a L89 option to a car , is that true??

[Kurt S]

Not too surprising. Parts always have more overhead costs, hence a higher price.
If anyone has a part # for the heads, I'll check the 69 price.

[ORIGLS6]

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Kurt, Ive also heard it was more expensive to buy aluminum heads over the counter than the list price as a L89 option to a car , is that true??

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Kinda makes sense doesn't it? Deduct the cost of the iron heads and charge the difference in the cost of the alloy pieces. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[427king]

Kurt ill get it for you ive got some in the gm boxes

[HiPerf]

Thats a great car. I seen it run many times. I took this picture in 1974.

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s254/1970NOVA/joecamaro3.jpg

[Stefano]

Thanks for posting the pic. Any relation to the Bob Johnson from Scuncio Chevrolet?

[Salvatore]

Absolutely!! That is Little Joe DeLorenzo. That also was a killer Super Stocker in its day. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Stefano]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/StefanoBimbi/Herbies%20Hugger/HerbieMarmor040.jpg

[Stefano]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/StefanoBimbi/Herbies%20Hugger/HerbieMarmor043.jpg

[Stefano]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/StefanoBimbi/Herbies%20Hugger/HerbieMarmor045.jpg

[Supercar_Kid]

Here's a vintage pic I found that was originally snapped at the old Pittsburgh International Dragway. Sorry for the terrible quality, it's a lousy digital shot of an old snapshot.
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/271929-DSC00101_1.JPG

[Stefano]

Erik,
Very cool Vintage Photo. Is there any way I can get a copy? It looks very much the way it has been restored today, back to 1969-70 era.

[Supercar_Kid]

Sorry...I wish I had a better copy, but I don't own the original, only the poor digital snapshot of it you see here. The pic was on display at the annual PID reunion and is owned by the old track photographe, whose name eludes me right now. If the pic or any others are on display at the next reunion, I'll be sure to get a better copy of it for you and post it here. Cool Camaro though, with plenty of race history for sure. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[427L88]

I played with the image and got a little more out of it.. I wish I had the original and I could do wonders with it... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/396L35/271929-DSC00101_1_1.jpg

[Stefano]

Herbie's Hugger will offered at Auction, Prime Time, 1.30pm, at the Mecum High Performance Auction, at Pheasants Run, in Saint Charles, Il, this October, on Saturday the 6th. Star Car Lot Number SXXX.

Trades may be considered, but only from registered bidders. An Actual Cash Value trade certificate must be issued by Nickey Chicago,Inc. prior to the first day of the auction, which is October 5th.

Email [email protected] for more info or questions.

[Denis]

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I played with the image and got a little more out of it.. I wish I had the original and I could do wonders with it... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/396L35/271929-DSC00101_1_1.jpg

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i played around with the image, using photoshop.

before:

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/271929-DSC00101_1.JPG

after:

http://www.corvettes-musclecars.com/yenko.net/HerbiesHugger.jpg

[Stefano]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/StefanoBimbi/Herbies%20Hugger/HerbiesHuggerKeyStone1969.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/StefanoBimbi/Herbies%20Hugger/HerbiesHugger67DodgeKeyStoneRaceWay.jpg

[Chevy454]

Stef: do you still have the HH car? Gotta love those Go-Fast pictures! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Stefano]

No, we sold it at the Mecum Auction last Fall. It went into a collection.

I just thought that the clearer picture would be neat to post as well as the Vintage action photo.

[sYc]

A cool car to say the least. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Looks like HH, along with Jerry Mc.'s '68 Z "Old Reliable" will be at Mecum in the Spring.

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Looks like ole Herbbie is for sale again...add on Hemmings posted 2-1-2008

http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/chevrolet/camaro/591779.html

[Stefano]

Randy,
You don't miss a beat! Yes, it was a no-sale at RM.

[PetersMemSS/C]

I am new to your site and it is great to see the interest in Herbie's Hugger. I live only minutes from where the Peterson Memorial Dragway was, it is now a industrial park with only the starting line remaining. P.M.D. on occasion had races with very famous racers. I will begin checking for photos or video of Herbie's Hugger. I am looking for any photos of another car that raced in SS/C at Peterson's named the Book Chevy City PACESETTER. (67 Camaro L78)

[jfollis640]

The original Herbie's Hugger will be part of the Gilmore Car Museum's (near Kalamazoo, MI) new exhibit "History - 1/4 Mile at A Time" featuring over 20 iconic drag racers. The exhibit opens May 1 and runs through October 31.
http://www.gilmorecarmuseum.org/html/content_page.php?content_id=7& for more info on it.

A Cackle Fest (not the cars on display) will also take place on Memorial Day Weekend at the Gilmore Car Museum.

[SS427]

Another photo of Herbie's Hugger.

[SS427]

Came across this today and thought I would share it here.