Muscle car shootout on TV.....

[bruno17]

New topics of debate....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uu_PwF1lPo

Crank the volume!

[mockingbird812]

GIT SOME!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

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Anybody know/own any of the entrants? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[JChlupsa]

Looks like some of Kevins cars got worked

[x Baldwin Motion]

there goes another night shot to hell in front of the tube

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[Xplantdad]

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there goes another night shot to hell in front of the tube

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No,no, no...TIVO...or your computer with media center...and record it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

I dont have that stuff Bruce.
Don't make me ask the kid for one more favor!!
It's such an inconvenience for a teenager to record things for the old man. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

(I used to be Santa, remember?) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

chris http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Denis]

Kevin Suydam sent his 69 Yenko Nova and his 69 Baldwin-Motion Camaro up there for Peter Canuck to bang on.

[DarrenX33]

Who's Norm's Bee?

[Charley Lillard]

He wanted the Super Snake for that shootout...I said uhhh no.

[COPO]

That is awesome! Can't wait to watch the shootout. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Chevy454]

Bruno...I'm gonna guess that's your green Poncho? And if so, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it smoked the others in the drag strip portion of the event? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

They shoulda hollered at Pete and got a COPO Camaro to at least keep 'em honest...http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[sixtiesmuscle]

Is the GTO really a Royal sold & modified car? Also, is the Superbee a documented Mr Norm sold car, or, is this some TV license being taken? Great cars no doubt. Just wondering if the hype is backed up by facts.

[bruno17]

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Is the GTO really a Royal sold & modified car? Also, is the Superbee a documented Mr Norm sold car, or, is this some TV license being taken? Great cars no doubt. Just wondering if the hype is backed up by facts.

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The Gto was ordered by a dealer in winnipeg named Birchwood motors.They campaigned a 68 firebird ram air II which was bought new from Royal in Michigan.They had Milt Schornack from Royal flown in to tune their cars.They raced the green 69 gto along with a 69 judge.The salesman that raced the green one STILL works at the dealership.The car was special ordered with 4.33 gears and born to race.Neat history...we'll see how it does.

[sixtiesmuscle]

Very cool car & history Bruno. I don't see how the show could claim it to be a "Royal Bobcat" though, unless Royal had an arrangement with that dealer to sell their cars with the Royal Bobcat name. Any idea if the Dodge was really sold at Grand Spaulding?

[csx289]

I agree with Mike, Bruno - I love that RAIV! However, if it wasn't sold at Royal and/or Bobcatted at Royal, it isn't a Royal Bobcat car. I have a 65 GTO, unreal 1-owner survivor car, sold new in Michigan about 20 miles from Royal, in 3-65. I have a receipt from an independent shop from 8-65 for installing a "Bobcat" type kit - steel shim head gaskets, CC heads, valves, springs, curve dist, re-jet the trips, etc..- even have the work order and cancelled check. But it isn't a Royal Bobcat. Does have some really cool decals on the valve covers that say "Tiger by Ted" that were from a dealer competing with Royal. I'll post pictures when I get the car back from getting detailed at Tiemann's shop.

The Super Bee used on the show is a car I know VERY well. I have owned it 3 or 4 times, most recently sold it to a customer in Canada who told me he let LMC use it for the show. It is a fantastic car but is in no way a Mr. Norm's car. It did not have the Norm's decals on it when I sold it.
I was supposed to loan my Mr. Norm's GSS 440 Dart to Peter Klutt to use on the show, but a transmission issue and scheduling conflict with SCR9 prevented that, as the show taped up until the first day of SCR9. As a lot of you know, I wouldn't miss the SCR and brought the Mr. Norm's car there to display with Mike's Norm's Dart (and race him!).

As an owner of a real Royal Bobcat car and a real Mr. Norm's car, like Mike, I too am a stickler for proper identification. I know it sounds like splitting hairs or nit-picking, but as there are very few actual Royal sold and tuned Bobcat cars and Grand Spaulding sold and tuned cars, I think it is important to differentiate.

Can't wait to see the show, should be great.

Colin

[69RSZ]

why isnt there any NICKEY or DANA cars there? And Im going out on a limb here but I predect the shelby wins only because those guys are ford boys up there!They remind me of motorweek.

[bashton]

The shot of Suydams Yenko Nova doing the smokey burnout followed up with a "power slide" is just too cool.

Can't wait to see this episode!

BA

[69hurstSC]

thank you to everyone who let there cars get rung out on that show!! i really hope no one holds this as some test as to see what car is superior. superbee's slaloming against ponycars...hmmmm....

[flyingn]

I won't miss this for anything:)

[P.J.]

Jents think about it
whos going to win??. Pete is a mustang guy.
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PJ

[PPPJJJFFF]

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thank you to everyone who let there cars get rung out on that show!! i really hope no one holds this as some test as to see what car is superior. superbee's slaloming against ponycars...hmmmm....

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My moneys on the Superbee in the slalom!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Patrick

[PeteLeathersac]

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those guys are ford boys up there

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Careful now...there's others of us 'up here' in Canada that are far from being Ford boys. .

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~ Pete

[Keith Tedford]

In themselves the cars are great. Smokey burnouts prove nothing. Any of these cars can do them at will. Four wheels locked up while stopping only proves that the brakes are better than the tires. Ours are nothing cars and I still wouldn't want some clown beating on them to prove nothing. I can hardly believe that the owners would let these guys do this to the cars. Do TV shows really have to do this kind of stuff to attract an audience?
Bruno, I had a '68 Ram Air Firebird that was set up by London Motor Products in London. They installed the full Royal Bobcat Kit along with a lot of other modifications. Ran pretty well and I didn't care whether it was a Royal car or not. I was just satisfied with the way it could put a long face on the Chevy guys' faces.

[bruno17]

Hey Keith,
Was that a ramair II firebird? I think it might be THE quickest pontiac from that era. As far as the upcoming show goes,I know it doesn't prove anything but are those burnouts cool or what? I raced my car all year and all I did was change the oil.The bias ply tires are a great shock absorber for the drivetrain.I don't think Peter could have beat on it any harder than I did...........but then again....I wasn't allowed to watch either.

[Keith Tedford]

Bruno, it was the earlier Ram Air motor with the turbo 400 balanced, blueprinted, headers. I read once where there were fewer than 100 built with the automatic. I have no doubt that these cars in the show will take the beating, unless a shift is missed. The Chevies can even handle that. I've done it myself as far as going through the gears. Miss a shift in a 428 CobraJet and you have a good chance of putting a rod out the side of the block. In the late '60s the 428s around here spit rods and the L78s dropped valves. Stock big block Pontiacs didn't like the 6K+ rpm. This could create a basket of scrap. It was pretty common for these engines. I just don't want someone else doing it to my stuff. I didn't really test my cars until I was thoroughly used to them. I've never had two 4 speed cars that shifted or felt the same. I'd certainly never go out and pound on a fresh car, especially someone elses. I only know one person that I have enough confidence in to let him beat on my car and be sure that it will live. He doesn't have a TV show unfortunately. I'd like to see all these cars run with headers and slicks for some meaningful times. Unfortunately, good traction could break some very expensive parts. I'll probably be watching the show and cheering the old Pontiac along. I do have my darker Pontiac side. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[69hurstSC]

this seems more like an exhibit rather than a shootout. what would be a more comparible competition between makes and models? i think they should all either be either compacts, mid-size, full size, or ponycar. i think then at least it wouldnt be intermingled. perhaps SYC Camaro vs S/S AMX vs Shelby Mustang vs Hemi Cuda vs RAIV Trans AM vs 428 Eliminator.

[PPPJJJFFF]

I wouldn't mind seeing the Motion GSX thrown into the ring on this one! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Patrick

[olredalert]

-----Forget the Motion Buick. Get Buizillas Buick up there with his butt behind the wheel......Bill S

[COPO427]

My friends Rambler Scambler is in it and you'll be surprised at the final results.

[Donutblue]

This should be interesting, who's SC/Rambler is it. --- Crossram ??

[COPO427]

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This should be interesting, who's SC/Rambler is it. --- Crossram ??

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Jeff S.
He did the body and paint and refabricated body parts that are not available. Nice resto on the tach face by himself too.

[69hurstSC]

COPO, i WOULD love to see the SC finish nicely. my SC restoration is still pending until i sell the Roush. i know all about the unavalability on SC/rambler parts! luckly the prior owner went down to AMC and bought sheetmetal for the whole car back in 1973 (just in case he schmucked it up). all that NOS is waiting to go on my Hurst.

[bruno17]

I think the scrambler sounded hairy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Og66rBqW6k

[PPPJJJFFF]

Yeah I know its for fun. But that line-up sure looks lop sided to me. Its more like "Dealer Built Super cars vs. Dealer tuned production cars!" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif I don't get it.

Patrick

[flyingn]

when is it on?? I checked the friday schedule for speed channel and its not shown at all. hmmmm

[69hurstSC]

wow, suprising results. its just so hard to know if any mods were done to these day 2 cars. once they get the bugs out of that SYC Nova it should improve drastically on the 1/4.

[StealthBird]

Here are the results:

Braking
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1. 69 Shelby Mustang 428SCJ
2. 69 RAIV GTO Royal Bobcat
3. 69 Baldwin-Motion 427 Camaro
4. 69 AMC Hurst Rambler/Scrambler
5. 69 Super Bee (Mr. Norm's)
6. 69 Yenko Nova 427

Slalom
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1. 69 Baldwin-Motion 427 Camaro
2. 69 Shelby Mustang 428SCJ
3. 69 RAIV GTO Royal Bobcat
4. 69 Super Bee (Mr. Norm's)
5. 69 AMC Hurst Rambler/Scrambler
6. 69 Yenko Nova 427

0-60 mph
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1. 69 RAIV GTO Royal Bobcat - 5.40 sec
2. 69 Super Bee (Mr. Norm's) - 5.65 sec
3. 69 AMC Hurst Rambler/Scrambler - 5.85 sec
4. 69 Baldwin-Motion 427 Camaro - 6.05 sec
5. 69 Shelby Mustang 428SCJ - 6.20 sec
6. 69 Yenko Nova 427 - 6.25 sec

1/4 mile
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1. 69 RAIV GTO Royal Bobcat - 13.04 @ 106 mph
2. 69 Baldwin-Motion 427 Camaro - 13.41 @ 106 mph
3. 69 Super Bee (Mr. Norm's) - 13.83 @ 102 mph
4. 69 AMC Hurst Rambler/Scrambler - 13.87 @ 101 mph
5. 69 Yenko Nova 427 - 13.96 @ 101 mph
6. 69 Shelby Mustang 428SCJ - 14.08 @99 mph

The RAIV was the overall winner.

The Yenko Nova suffered wheel hop and was a fresh resto, but I don't believe it was "off" enough to explain why it came in dead last in nearly every event.

The Shelby had the largest factory wheels and tires, the AMC Rambler/Scrambler had the smallest.

The RAIV just flat out cranked, although I did notice the car lift its ass end on launch, so I believe it may have had hop-stop (or no-hop) bars installed. This may explain why the GTO seemed to hook much better than the other cars.

BTW, I'm only here to gloat. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Seriously, it was a very cool shootout, and I'm sure there will be lengthy debates as to why these cars ran quite a bit slower than what we've seen at the Pure Stocks. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[John Brown]

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... I'm only here to gloat. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Seriously, it was a very cool shootout, and I'm sure there will be lengthy debates as to why these cars ran quite a bit slower than what we've seen at the Pure Stocks. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't tell anybody, but I think it may be the driver! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[JRSully]

Does anybody know when this is airing.? Thx SULLY

[Postsedan]

G.M. Abody Muscle wins again. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif That was one fine G.T.O.

Dan.

[PPPJJJFFF]

Braking and slalom. Boy, strap yourself in for those 2 events. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif It was still entertaining to say the least! The Goat did prove to be the best prepared dealer modified car.

Patrick

[COPO]

Go to www.speedtv.com (http://www.speedtv.com) and you can search for when it will be shown again.

[70-SS/RS-L78]

Did you take notice of him Power Shifting a few of the cars?
I do it with my cars, but I would never do that with another owners Car.
One Miss @ 7000 RPM….. Whoops…………
There’s one phone call I would not like to make… http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[njsteve]

Did you see the 5 seconds they devoted to mentioning that they blew up one car's engine prior to the event and had to get a stand-in. They even showed the oil on the ground pouring out of the block. Anyone have any gossip on that????

[P.J.]

Keith I second the motion,slicks and open headers,
How can you compare a motion car that was built for
10s to do the quater on red lines.And who gives Fiddlers
Fuddle duddle if the car stops on a dime.These cars were built to race the quarter mile not for roundi round oval tracks.
If your going to do a shoot out of classic muscle cars
then do them justice.
PJ
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[nuch_ss396]

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Did you see the 5 seconds they devoted to mentioning that they blew up one car's engine prior to the event and had to get a stand-in. They even showed the oil on the ground pouring out of the block. Anyone have any gossip on that????

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Steve,
Please tell me it was just one of the Fords.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[55chevy]

Was that Kevin Suydams Red Yenko Nova??? They said that car was a fresh restoration. If thats the car Kevin S. has, was it re-restored? and why? I thought it was pretty nice before. But I see the car on the show had all the SS stuff on it. Kevin's car didn't.. Just curious who knows more about that car. I know that's his yellow 69 Baldwin Motion Camaro. Who owns the other cars on that program?
Only problem I have with that show is it needed to be 6 hours long.. 1 hour for each car http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Mr Yenko]

Spoke with Kevin last night. Asked him how clean the cars came back. He said they still needed to be spruced up a bit more. They also sent him new tires still wrapped in plastic. He said he didn't know the results to the shoot out. I told him to give me a call when he was back in town.
THANKS...KEVIN http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
The "MOF"

[Dave Rifkin]

Do you think they'll show this episode again?

[matt69scrambler]

Hi everyone,
I thought the Shootout was a fine show. We all know the Yenkos could have run better. The Goat ran even better then when it was new and looked great doing it. The Superbee ran fine and I know first hand those 440 six packs haul butt. I don't know much about the Shelby except I always like that bodystyle and the color of that one was cool. I must say I liked the the Hurst SC/Rambler the most!!! This little Underdog showed that it did run with the Big Boys and they told you if you tweeked it a little it would really fly. I know this to be true as I own a SC that is running the Cross-Ram intake. My SC was running the 1/4 in 12.61 back in the day. Maybe this was not as fast as a Yenko but it was faster then most for a lot less money. I was just honored that the Hurst SC/Rambler was included in this show. They have been overlooked as one of the best muscle cars ever built for to long. AMC even told you in their original ads that with a little sharp tunning you would be running 12's. Not bad for a car that cost under $3,000.00.
It was a fun show as it was ment to be. I know it was better then watching a show about Tunner cars http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif . To me this show was great and I didn't care which car won.They were all winners just by being on the show. A big thank you to all the owners that let them use their cars.
See my SC at,
http://www.amazingmusclecars.com/memberspages/mattwilson.html

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We have worked hard to make this a great site for everyone. Please check out the muscle car index page as we would like to add some pictures and info about other great muscle cars. I hope someone from here will email Joie some info about these great Yenko and Copo cars. We want to post correct information on these great cars and felt you guys would be the best place to find it. Email it to [email protected] .
If you guys know of any cool SC stories please post them on the forum page at the above site. If you won or lost to a SC on the streets or strips in the past we would like to hear about it.
Thanks,
Matt
PS: I can't believe it but I'm going to the Barrett Jackson auction this year. I'm just going to see the cars as they should be great. If there is a car there you guys would like pictures of let me know and I will post them for you when I get back. I will also get to see the B-scheme Hurst SC/Rambler go through the auction block, COOL !!!!!!!!!!
Thanks,
Matt
Hi to Donutblue !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Donutblue]

Matt - "Welcome aboard" glad to hear from you. I enjoyed the shootout as well. I think they represented all the big auto makers fairly. 1 lucky guy got to hammer the pedal on all those nice wheels and get paid for it to. Now that's cooler than being the only rooster in the hen house. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[70 Forest Green Zee]

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Now that's cooler than being the only rooster in the hen house.

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Not if you're a rooster! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

1/4 mile
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1. 69 RAIV GTO Royal Bobcat - 13.04 @ 106 mph
2. 69 Baldwin-Motion 427 Camaro - 13.41 @ 106 mph
3. 69 Super Bee (Mr. Norm's) - 13.83 @ 102 mph
4. 69 AMC Hurst Rambler/Scrambler - 13.87 @ 101 mph
5. 69 Yenko Nova 427 - 13.96 @ 101 mph
6. 69 Shelby Mustang 428SCJ - 14.08 @99 mph


did somebody say it might be the driver?
maybe he didnt want to risk blowing anything up?

[JoeG]

That's why Joel's old guarantee stipulated the use of his driver to drive the car .........Off a roll in the 1/4, it would have been 1--2 Chevy........... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif.... My compliments to the owners for sacrificing their cars for the tests..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[69hurstSC]

i noticed the driver mispoke when he said the SC/rambler came with 3.56 gears. all SC's came with 3.54's. they also mentioned that all cars rean gears between 3.91's and 4.10's. were any other cars geared incorrectly from factory specs? anyone else catch any slip ups?

[x Baldwin Motion]

JoeG
Carpal Tunnel


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