Where is ZL-1 #66?

[ZL1#17]

Anyone know where car #66 is?
Follow this link
Ebay Auction ZL-1 #66 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&item=170062966092 )

[Mr70]

Quote from seller:
"This car was either crushed by my employees or stolen,really not sure...It breaks my heart everyday, Just thinking about how I tossed this car around like a piece of junk!!!!!!"http://bears.hosttown.com/style_emoticons/default/run.gif

[ZL1#17]

I don’t believe it’s gone, my crystal ball tells me its somewhere out west? Since Bill still has the title to the car, I told him to do a title search starting in Colorado. I'm trying to help him locate it, any help would be appreciated.

[69LM1]

I'd be amazed of this auction runs the course.

[bwag]

Isn't this the same car someone from the east coast tried to claim at Scottsdale 2 years ago ?I remember reading about him showing up with a title and trying to claim the silver car.

[69motion]

watch out for this one a good friend of mine told me about these motors years ago look at be rear suppose to be a re stamp butt i did not actually view it myself this is second hand info judge it as u will

[azcamaros]

Beware of this auction! Car #66 has been in Arizona since the late 70's, and remains here.

[vodoo]

I am the guy who listed this motor on ebay, This motor is REAL never touched, I want the wining bidder to bring cash and view this motor with his own 2 eyes to see that I am no joke. And for you people out west, You must not NO that this car was raced its whole life in the EAST COAST!!!!,At many different race tracks, I would hate to be the guy who claims he own's a FAKE CAR!!!!! I DON'T PLAY GAMES!!!!!

[Charley Lillard]

Is this the car that Pat Mcgroeder owns or owned ? As I recall, someone tried to report it stolen when it was seen listed on Ebay but Pat had proof of ownership that went back to long before the car was reported stolen.

[azcamaros]

Charley

You are 100% correct regarding #66

[PeteLeathersac]

[ QUOTE ]
I am the guy who listed this motor on ebay, This motor is REAL never touched, I want the wining bidder to bring cash and view this motor with his own 2 eyes to see that I am no joke. And for you people out west, You must not NO that this car was raced its whole life in the EAST COAST!!!!,At many different race tracks, I would hate to be the guy who claims he own's a FAKE CAR!!!!! I DON'T PLAY GAMES!!!!!

[/ QUOTE ]

Hi Bill...do you own another Copo or is this the same one you're referring to in your previous posting in '05? .

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
~ Pete

04/16/05
"...Hi Ed, I am the guy from Ct that ownes this burgundy copo. Yes you are right it was a race car from day one. This car was purchased new by Debs Speed Shop, Oakville, Ct. Any other info. or pictures would be a great help. Thank You!!!!..."

[Charley Lillard]

vodoo...Are you claiming that car # 66 that Mcgroeder owns or owned is fake ? I know Pat owned it for a long time and he is a very competent attorney. If there was a problem with it being a rebody or fake he most certainly would have resolved it. The car was on Ebay a couple years ago being sold I think by Desert Autosport ? Someone from your neck of the woods tried to claim it as their car and I think was arrested ? Was that you ? We think you are the guy that had the Copo Camaro and LS6 Chevelle convert that were very real so apparently you did have some serious cars but making a statement about someones ZL1 being a fake is a serious claim and could get you in hot water if you have nothing to back it up. You might have the engine and rear but that does not make the car a fake. In your auction you claim either you crushed the car or your employees stole it. I would think you would still have the title to it ?
Anyone who knows the owner of 66 might tell him to look into this auction because it would be neat to get the orig engine and rear back with the car if it proves out real.

[Kim_Howie]

Popcorn with lots of butter. Please

[ZL1#17]

As you all know there are two sides to every story. Bill has stated that he owned the car since the 80’s. He removed the drivetrain from the car and placed it in his salvage yard. At some point the car disappeared. He does not know it was crushed or stolen. If it were crushed, then #66 is gone. How can #66 be in Arizona, unless it’s a fake? If were stolen, well then that’s a legal issue between Bill and whoever has car #66. I feel Bill has every right to know what happened to his vehicle, as I'm sure most of you would want some sort of closure.

[Charley Lillard]

My understanding is the car in Arizona was purchased from the orig owner in 1977 and has paperwork to back it up. 1977 predates Bill owning it in the 80's. As I recall, law enforcement got involved in arizona a couple years ago and the paperwork and car were proven to be real. The car is still in Arizona. If it was Bill that tried to claim the car a couple years ago and he had a case why is it still in Arizona ? Maybe Bill was sold a fake in the 80's ?
ZL1#17...Did Bill tell you anything about trying to get the car back when Desert Autosport had it on Ebay ? Did he say what the outcome was ? The fact that it is still in Arizona even after law enforcement was involved tells me they own the car.

[ZL1#17]

Charlie, you are going to have to keep an open mind here… First of all, who in the right mind would sell a ZL-1 clone with the real engine and drivetrain? Second, Bill has paperwork from the CT DMV that verifies the hidden VIN’s on the car in question. That means Bill had to physically remove the cowl cover and the heater box for the DMV inspector. Bill has documentation of this, so whoever disputes this is disputing the CT DMV. We all know what’s at stake here but the TRUTH shall prevail.

[vodoo]

Hi Charley,
Yes I am the guy who own's the COPO and LS6 conv. Yes I am the guy who made a stink about the car# 66, No I was not arrested. How can I be arrested when I never signed over ownership. At that time any vehicle 10 years or older in the State of CT had to be present for inspection at the Department Of Motor Vehicle. My car vin# 124379N644311 was registered that way. So how can anyone call my car a fake? If you can call my car a fake that means you are also calling the Department Of Motor Vehicle a fake? Before you answer anything I have said remember I still have the original driveline!!! The other car someone claims to own must be all restamped!!! Any law enforcement agent is welcome anytime. I have laid my had down, but I still have the river card left.
http://medox.org/zl1.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

Bill...If it was you that tried to claim the car why were you not successful ? Did you not get law enforcemet involved ? You show a 1999 registration. So you had the car in your posession in 99 and it disappeared ? I think in 99 a ZL1 was probably worth a couple hundred thousand dollars. When did you notice your car missing ? Did you report it stolen back then ? This is like 20 questions. We are not hearing the whole story here.

[Bill Pritchard]

[ QUOTE ]
I don’t believe it’s gone....Bill still has the title to the car....I'm trying to help him locate it, any help would be appreciated.

[/ QUOTE ]

So then why is the supposedly original motor and rear axle up for auction on eBay http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[COPO]

Perhaps the auction is an information gathering exercise? Wierd situation. There has to be more to this story. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Kim_Howie]

What year was the Hidden vin # checked by the state??

[Belair62]

I have a great idea...why don't you take this all to the proper authorities and see where it takes you. When it all gets straightened out..come on back and let us all know what happened.

[x Baldwin Motion]

so, you have a ZL1 and you take out the drive train and park your car in the junk yard. you continue to renew your registration. you lose the transmission. someone then claims to have your car out west (your VIN?) for sale on Ebay. In order to get to the bottom of this and find your car, you put the motor and rear up for sale (hoping to flush out the persons that have the car that is actually yours, right?) OK, I got it all figured out, right?
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q101/65z13/santasmokes.jpg
lets all take another smoke break.

santa http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

no disrespect to anyone involved, all parties innocent until proven otherwise.

[Kim_Howie]

Now THAT'S funny!!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[69motion]

Santa now that uve joined our website ive been asking for a ZL1 OR Adriana Lima for christmas for years i will take one of those gifts please!! thank u jeff P.S after all these years ive finally been good

[Belair62]

[ QUOTE ]
Quote from seller:
[b]"This car was either crushed by my employees or stolen,really not sure...It breaks my heart everyday, Just thinking about how I tossed this car around like a piece of junk!!!!!!"

[/ QUOTE ]

This should make it much clearer X !!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

I'm with COPO on this one...sounds like there's more to the story? .

If there is more and Bill is the victim, I'd hope he lets us all know the whole story...if nothing else comes forth, I'd suspect he knows more and isn't saying for a reason? .
For me, that would then make the not sure if it's been stolen/crushed story more of a question and after the Nova situation of late, I'd start wondering about rebody issues? .

Ownership of whatever exists aside, hopefully the 'real' car survives somewhere intact, even if in poor shape and can be restored and reunited with it's real parts wherever they are! .

Lastly, that sure doesn't look like a cigarette Santa's holding...like the bottom of the ad notes, maybe he's toasted too? .

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
~ Pete

[Mr70]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/Rick_Peters/popcorn.gifhttp://www.winsite.com/holiday/christmas-tree-small.GIFhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/Rick_Peters/popcorn.gif
Kim............Me

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]
Santa now that uve joined our website ive been asking for a ZL1 OR Adriana Lima for christmas for years i will take one of those gifts please!! thank u jeff P.S after all these years ive finally been good

[/ QUOTE ]

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q101/65z13/santanotsoangry.jpg

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

I hope that is not too blunt. -santa

[69motion]

Damn u are really santa ! i believe ! p.s i delete the porn! lol jeff

[x Baldwin Motion]

ok. seriously now, there are some good questions on the floor for the seller of the motor.
What was the last year you saw your car?
When and why did the CT state DMV check your hidden VIN?
Was this procedure done on the car "out west"?
Was any inspection of the VIN of the "out west" car done?
What are the chances your car was sold(without your knowledge) and restored/rebodied ?
I dont think anyone here wants to put a victim of a crime on the defensive, but lets get some of the blanks filled in.

It is terrible to lose a car. I had a 1966 Caprice 396/325 stolen from me and I'm still pissed. ( I know who did it, they stripped it and crushed it.)

I know in NY older vehicles are sold without titles, just transferable registration stubs. In reality you could sell your vehicle out of state yet continue to register a non existant vehicle.

chris http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[vodoo]

I have lots of information on this car. As of now I will not say much. The truth will come out soon. I am not trying to get back a car that I am 95% sure was crushed. I did contact Desert Autosport when the car was listed. He stated that the car was all 100% original #'s matching. As you can see on my listing on ebay thats not true. There has been many different storys about this car. All these storys have come from out west. If it were not for computers I would never no this was going on. Someone would be out a whole lot of money for a ZL1 #'s matching fake. Its been over 3 years and I have never heard from the owner that claims to own this car, if its really out west. As I posted before my ZL1 #66 vin#124379N644311 was a race car in the east coast at several different race tracks as a pro stock. My phone # is posted why is this person lost, missing, on vacation, does not own a computer, has no friends to tell him whats going on, or maybe he is still in the barn that the GHOST came from!!! I do not need this car! I own over 100 muscle cars, Yes 100 its true!! I just will not watch anyone get burned if I can help! Thank You!!!

[Stuart Adams]

Rick, light butter and large rootbeer for me...

[Denis]

This is better than TV. Woo hoo.

[Belair62]

[ QUOTE ]
I know in NY older vehicles are sold without titles, just transferable registration stubs. In reality you could sell your vehicle out of state yet continue to register a non existant vehicle.


[/ QUOTE ]

Thats messed up... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[BUIZILLA]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I know in NY older vehicles are sold without titles, just transferable registration stubs. In reality you could sell your vehicle out of state yet continue to register a non existant vehicle.


[/ QUOTE ] In Alabama and GA it's done every day of the week......

JH

[Charley Lillard]

Just a reminder for anyone posting to please just stick to facts. This is a serious situation and I am asking people to treat it that way.

[Donutblue]

Vodoo, this is quite easy to resolve. Go to your local State Police in Ct. Speak to an investigator. Give him all your information, a copy of your title (registration). Swear out an affadavit. Give him all your information regarding the ZL1. He should in turn make arrangements for an NICB agent to call the vehicle in question for an examination at it's present State (location). Then let the cards fall where they may, many questions will be answered. This is only fair to you and the present owner. I would suggest you also have your existing engine examined.

[Bill Pritchard]

[ QUOTE ]
He stated that the car was all 100% original #'s matching. As you can see on my listing on ebay thats not true.

[/ QUOTE ]

Vodoo, with all due respect, your eBay listing does nothing to prove or disprove anything related to a specific car. The only readable numbers in your pictures are casting numbers, which don't tie your parts to any one car.

You say you don't need this car, but it sure appears like you have a lot of interest in it http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[vodoo]

Read vin# on the side block listed on ebay, VERY CLEARLY THEY ARE 644311. Thank You!!!!!

[9SECONDYENKO]

POPCORN PLEASE

[PeteLeathersac]

Bill,

From what you've posted, it's easier to understand what's probably gone on...and you're right, the truth'll all come out when it does. .
I for one am sorry if offence has been taken for anything said but please understand your sale of the motor etc. has brought things to light for some of those who care about these creatures...maybe this was your auction's intention? .
Best of luck with this situation and your collection, perhaps you could share a few of your cars here some other day...like tomorrow! .

I feel any more regarding this subject is not my place so I'll step aside w/ any further comments...but I'm surely interested in what transpires from here on as an observer! .

Merry Christmas to all!
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
~ Pete

[ss427copo]

Yo....Darren? At least I'm on the outside of this chat!!! lololololo No more controversy for me http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif BWAG told me all i need to know. NOW...if he could just find that other shoebox!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Belair62]

So...your ad stated you didn't know if this car was stolen or crushed. Now you are 95% sure it was crushed. You are not interested in getting the car back (if you actually owned it which I don't think anyone here can be sure of based on what you have shown). So I guess the question needs to be asked...are you bringing this to light so the truth about the car is known...kind of a public service deal for the satisfaction of helping the hobby or ?

[mrrec]

Aarrgh! I can't stand it! If I owned a ZL1 and still had the drivetrain AND the car was "gone" AND I had the slightest flicker of hope that it still existed, I'd gather all the kings horses and men and turn over every rock! If this VIN is known on a car in a specific state, let alone a specific owner, you could have a current registration in hours or days just using the internet!! Furthermore, it would seem to me to be pretty easy to instigate an official investigation (as mentioned previously), pronto!

Why wouldn't you do this, especially if you were the bonafide owner????? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Dave

[Xplantdad]

Hey Dave...Merry Christmas! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Stuart Adams]

[ QUOTE ]
Aarrgh! I can't stand it! If I owned a ZL1 and still had the drivetrain AND the car was "gone" AND I had the slightest flicker of hope that it still existed, I'd gather all the kings horses and men and turn over every rock! If this VIN is known on a car in a specific state, let alone a specific owner, you could have a current registration in hours or days just using the internet!! Furthermore, it would seem to me to be pretty easy to instigate an official investigation (as mentioned previously), pronto!

Why wouldn't you do this, especially if you were the bonafide owner????? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Dave

[/ QUOTE ]


Exactly. If you are the owner and know where the car is then go take care of business. Seems simple to me, cut and dry, unless of course your not.

[69motion]

You all have to give this guy a break it might cost a couple <2> thousand dollars for plane fair ect to track down this car and if you found it the finished # matching car say the body is still usable after restoration is only worth say $ 750 thousand doesnt really sound like a good deal to me

[Belair62]

[ QUOTE ]
Hi Charley,
Yes I am the guy who own's the COPO and LS6 conv. Yes I am the guy who made a stink about the car# 66,

[/ QUOTE ]

But he already knows where it is... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[ZL1#17]

I cannot believe the attitude of some members here. Why not expose a fake, if that’s what it is? After reading some of the posts it’s clear that some sYc members are upset and angry at Bill for exposing this car in public. I ask why? Bill is only trying to get to the truth of the matter by exposing his situation in public, and I commend him for that. Bill has stated that he contacted the dealer in Arizona and they blew him off. Bill has stated that he feels 95% sure the car was crushed, so why is there a car 66? I know one this is sure, if ZL-1 #66 is up for sale I’m going to approach it with caution, what about the rest of you? THANKS Bill!! Correct me if I’m wrong, if any sYc member doesn’t think that exposing a FAKE ZL-1 on this site is important and relevant then I can only assume that you embrace the fraud and deceit that is prevalent in this hobby?

[COPO]

Too many details missing to draw any conclusions. I think everyone is interested in exposing fakes, but short of bonafide proof, then most would take a cautious approach before passing judgement on either party. I am waiting to see "the river card". http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Charley Lillard]

ZL1#17...Are you positive what Bill is saying is true ? Did Bill just call the dealer or did he get law enforcement involved ? Are you telling me he finds the ZL1 he has ownership of, calls the dealer, they blow him off and he lets it go at that ? We are taliking about a car worth somewhere around a million dollars and he lets it go at that ? There is clearly more to this story that Bill is not telling us and he even hinted at it. You are trashing a car without facts and it is very unfair to the owner of the car. Please post facts if you or Bill have them but stop calling the car a fake just because Bill says it might be. Bill is 95% sure it was crushed. What if it turns out to be the 5% and the car was not crushed but you and Bill trashed it ? Bill needs to quit playing games...If he has a "river card" that proves his case he needs to play it and stop all this crap !

[69motion]

IM all fore exposing fakes as u all know im with Charlie on this one i dont think bill is telling all the facts if i had proof of ownership id be calling my lawyer let him call the police to sort it out. Then legally get the car impounded until the court case is over and if car 66 wasnt my car id pay lawyer fees for the guy out west and apologise to him for the incoviniece ive caused <font color="red"> </font> MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif TO ALL JEFF

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
....if i had proof of ownership id be calling my lawyer let him call the police to sort it out. Then legally get the car impounded until the court case is over and if car 66 wasnt my car id pay lawyer fees for the guy out west and apologise to him for the incoviniece ive caused

[/ QUOTE ]

I prefer to stay out of these Supercar fights because they
do tend to get nasty. But I have to say that I agree with
this statement. Start the legal proceedings and let the
lawyers sort it out. If a bona-fide ZL-1, it's worth much
more than the legal fees.

However, I am very interested to learn if the ZL-1 in
question is proported to have its original drivetrain.
This is a point I have raised here many times concerning
all these Supercars with original "born with" components.

We should all want to know the conclusion to this story
for the sake of our hobby. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

Steve

[Xplantdad]

Rick,

The issue with this is how it's being done. Why so much melodrama here?

IF this person is telling the truth...then he needs to lay it ALL out on the table with no BS-start to finish.

Like Charley said...stick to the FACTS...not "I heard this from..."

[69LM1]

"However, I am very interested to learn if the ZL-1 in
question is proported to have its original drivetrain.
This is a point I have raised here many times concerning
all these Supercars with original "born with" components.
We should all want to know the conclusion to this story
for the sake of our hobby.
Steve "

I agree steve. I certinly do not know either of the people involved. BUT, if #66 is reported to have the born with drivetrain, and, this guy Bill has the original motor and rear, then Houston, someone has a problem.

Also, for the sake of argument, if I were the owner of a 1M$+ #66, and I really belived it to be real and #Match, I would be on here in a heartbeat to state my claim.

Just sayin, that argument goes both ways.

Has anyone gone to see the ebay ZL1 drivetrain to see if it looks real? The #66 Drivetrain?

Sucks for somebody.

Rich

[rich p]

Reminds me of the movie Hang'm High with Clint Eastwood !!

Remember the beginning of the Movie ?????????????

SOME of you guys like to shoot first and ask ?'s later.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]
I cannot believe the attitude of some members here. Why not expose a fake, if that’s what it is? After reading some of the posts it’s clear that some sYc members are upset and angry at Bill for exposing this car in public. I ask why? Bill is only trying to get to the truth of the matter by exposing his situation in public, and I commend him for that. Bill has stated that he contacted the dealer in Arizona and they blew him off. Bill has stated that he feels 95% sure the car was crushed, so why is there a car 66? I know one this is sure, if ZL-1 #66 is up for sale I’m going to approach it with caution, what about the rest of you? THANKS Bill!! Correct me if I’m wrong, if any sYc member doesn’t think that exposing a FAKE ZL-1 on this site is important and relevant then I can only assume that you embrace the fraud and deceit that is prevalent in this hobby?

[/ QUOTE ]

I cant imagine anyone on this site not wanting to expose a fake. so far nothing has been exposed, no fake car, no real car. I dont see anyone angry here, just many concerned enthusiasts that are trying to keep our hobby honest.
I dont how it would be even remotely possible for someone to fake a ZL1 that just happens to have the same picked out of a hat VIN as a ZL1 that was sitting in a junk yard or crushed or stolen unless they had that car or knowledge of it or its tags.
If I saw my missing car for sale or was told by a reliable source that it existed and was for sale you can bet your rear end I'd be there with my old photos, registration stubs, bill of sale, insurance cards and the freakin police. And that is for my 66 caprice that would only be worth about 10 grand if it has been garaged since it went missing 20 years ago.
so cut the crap and lay out the facts!!

JMHO


Chris http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Belair62]

[ QUOTE ]
I cannot believe the attitude of some members here. Why not expose a fake, if that’s what it is? After reading some of the posts it’s clear that some sYc members are upset and angry at Bill for exposing this car in public. I ask why? Bill is only trying to get to the truth of the matter by exposing his situation in public, and I commend him for that. Bill has stated that he contacted the dealer in Arizona and they blew him off. Bill has stated that he feels 95% sure the car was crushed, so why is there a car 66? I know one this is sure, if ZL-1 #66 is up for sale I’m going to approach it with caution, what about the rest of you? THANKS Bill!! Correct me if I’m wrong, if any sYc member doesn’t think that exposing a FAKE ZL-1 on this site is important and relevant then I can only assume that you embrace the fraud and deceit that is prevalent in this hobby?

[/ QUOTE ]

Nobody exposed a fake yet. How the hell do YOU know it's a fake ? Pretty stupid comment about people on this site not wanting to expose fraud. You are reading the thread here right ? If you choose to make your decision based on what "Bill" has said...go for it...I see absolutely no proof of anything concrete. In fact I don't really have any stake in this and I really dont care. I would assume you don't either other than to help the hobby right?.I will make my own decision when the cards have all been laid on the table along with others on the site.. Don't run your mouth about who on this site may have "embraced the fraud" ...thats just talking out of school...if you are offended that people are questioning the whole story ..as they should...go elsewhere.

[Steven J]

Was this car ever registered to someone in Michigan ?

[Stuart Adams]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I cannot believe the attitude of some members here. Why not expose a fake, if that’s what it is? After reading some of the posts it’s clear that some sYc members are upset and angry at Bill for exposing this car in public. I ask why? Bill is only trying to get to the truth of the matter by exposing his situation in public, and I commend him for that. Bill has stated that he contacted the dealer in Arizona and they blew him off. Bill has stated that he feels 95% sure the car was crushed, so why is there a car 66? I know one this is sure, if ZL-1 #66 is up for sale I’m going to approach it with caution, what about the rest of you? THANKS Bill!! Correct me if I’m wrong, if any sYc member doesn’t think that exposing a FAKE ZL-1 on this site is important and relevant then I can only assume that you embrace the fraud and deceit that is prevalent in this hobby?

[/ QUOTE ]

Nobody exposed a fake yet. How the hell do YOU know it's a fake ? Pretty stupid comment about people on this site not wanting to expose fraud. You are reading the thread here right ? If you choose to make your decision based on what "Bill" has said...go for it...I see absolutely no proof of anything concrete. In fact I don't really have any stake in this and I really dont care. I would assume you don't either other than to help the hobby right?.I will make my own decision when the cards have all been laid on the table along with others on the site.. Don't run your mouth about who on this site may have "embraced the fraud" ...thats just talking out of school...if you are offended that people are questioning the whole story ..as they should...go elsewhere.

[/ QUOTE ]


The moderators here have done an awesome job at this discussion. Just lay ALL the facts out in a timeline and then it should be easy to figure out what is what. Otherwise this will never end truthfully. I don't care either other than for the hobby as a whole. The guys on this board are awesome and actually are just the opposite - they expose fraud and don't like it!!

[BUIZILLA]

I have 2 factual questions &gt;&gt;&gt;

1) does CT have titles? if so and Bill never sold the car he should have the title... if he IS a salvage yard operator he legally must have titles for cars in his yard, so if they are crushed it can be proven they were destroyed, and the title would reflect such.... for an employee of his to *misplace* the car would mean the same title for the same car got misplaced as well right?? what are the odd's of that??

2) does the state the car resides in now have titles?

just because someone shows up with a *supposed* registration, without a title doesn't mean he currently owns/ever did own said car... I've still got expired tags and registrations for at least a dozen prior cars/trucks i've owned in the last 10 years sitting right here in front of me...

hint.. hint...

JH

[GRB]

This thread is just too damn wide!

[69motion]

thats good to know i still have paperwork on my L-89 that i sold i mean that i think i crushed &lt; wink wink &gt; i need to contact police to get it back i sold it way cheap lol

[Belair62]

The more I read this the more I get sick to my stomach. Guy comes on here, posts some hokey story with absolutely nothing to back any of it up...discredits a car...and maybe thats the only thing he wanted to accomplish ? NOTHING here shows anything to back up this guys claim. In fact...I think without anything else...we ought to close this bullcrap thread...because it sounds more and more like a real cheesy way to hurt a CAR that he doesn't own and probably never did. So ZL17 or vodoo...put up or shut up. Real soon too. Not gonna let you use this site to pull a fast one.

[x Baldwin Motion]

I agree, this thread has been a real downer and has caused my wife to over shop. I keep looking for those who have made claims to come forward with facts but maybe there are none and its all seasonal http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

This is the first disapointing thread Ive seen on this site.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Shut the damm thing down!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[camaromb]

Yeah, I think the 5 newly found and Ontario registered ZL1s was much more interesting! Oh yeah, now its 6 new ones in Ontario! Anyone know the # 48 history??
Mark

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]

This is the first disapointing thread Ive seen on this site.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Chris, It doesn't happen very often any more. Plus the mods that we have here are very patient...and will do the right thing when it's time. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[RamAirDave]

I dont see any need to lock this thread just yet.

Give the guy a some time to reply with (hopefully) some more info on the situation. He might not have any, but by locking it we won't know.

[Mr70]

The N.Y.Nicks vs. Denver Nuggets fight
Miss Nevada scandalous risque photos
Chicago Bear Tank Williams shooting
Rosie O'Donnel vs. Donald Trump
Miss USA lude behavior

Now ZL-1 #66

Merry Christmas everybody.. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/Rick_Peters/snowball.gifhttp://www.winsite.com/holiday/christmas-tree-small.GIF

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
I dont see any need to lock this thread just yet.

Give the guy a some time to reply with (hopefully) some more info on the situation. He might not have any, but by locking it we won't know.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think I'm with Dave on this one..........

[69motion]

this could be a big deal car 66 and orig drivetrain reuniting if that is all true we all want it to happen let the true owner win lets get it solved this year not many days left

[Belair62]

No doubt the true owner already has the car....this was so stupid ...what a friggin joke. If this cat comes back with anything besides more manure I'll be the firsy to eat crow...but I doubt its gonna happen...the silence is deafening...maybe he used voodoo to stick pins in the real owner and car huh ! If he wants to come up with more information..he can do it in another thread..or better yet...somewhere else. River cards...what a crock...

[JimM]

So then, what does anyone know about car #66?
As in the car "out west" that was up for auction last year?

[ss427copo]

Bob......I'm with you! I got your back on that call!
Sounds like B.S. to me http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Jeff x2 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[RamAirDave]

[ QUOTE ]
No doubt the true owner already has the car....this was so stupid ...what a friggin joke. If this cat comes back with anything besides more manure I'll be the firsy to eat crow...but I doubt its gonna happen...the silence is deafening...maybe he used voodoo to stick pins in the real owner and car huh ! If he wants to come up with more information..he can do it in another thread..or better yet...somewhere else. River cards...what a crock...

[/ QUOTE ]

I will respectfully disagree.

We have yet to hear the full story from either side as of yet. Who is right or not, I dont know, nor do I have any affiliation with either.

Not everyone stays updated on a regular basis to boards like this one. Maybe he hasnt had the chance to reply. Maybe he never will, who knows. Keep in mind that the guy with the #66 car in AZ hasnt come forth with any information himself.

But there seems to be an issue here, with a ZL1 with (supposedly) #s drivetrain, and someone with (supposedly) the original drivetrain from the same car.

To end the discussion without resolution would be similar to turning your head and looking the other way on the ordeal.

Just my 2c.

[Belair62]

Dave...he is saying he OWNED the car and parked a ZL1 in a boneyard and doesn't know if it was stolen or crushed !!! He came here specifically to let us all know what he wabted to tell us with no facts or proof of anything...and I think we fell for it..I know nothing about the 66 car...but this story is http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif .Not many people with a ZL1 would lose track of their car. Maybe someone knows something factual.

[RamAirDave]

That is true, Belair.

Im just saying that it would be beneficial to have full disclosure regarding both sides of the story, that's all.

I think it would be better to at least attempt to get to the bottom of all of this rather than just close the discussion down without a resolution.

Maybe hes telling the truth, maybe its all BS. But we dont know for sure yet either way.

[Belair62]

We'll see....

[BBIGG BLOCK 396]

Sounds Like a big BUNCH OF BS to me! And if I was the owner of car ZL1 #66 I am certain my attorney would be involved as to your comments about the Car ZL1 #66!Voodo has not yet stated that he feels he is the LEGAL OWNER of the car,or if he has I missed it! All he has said is he was the owner at one time and as he was the owner the car was crushed or 5% chance a employee missplaced it! Well 5% is enough for the car to still be around and by saying the car that is ZL1#66 is a FAKE is very LIABLE on his part.All he has shown so far to me is that a car with the same vin# was registtered in CT that in one particular year! and that he has a big block chevy aluminum engine that may or not be from car ZL1 #66.According to some of the pictures the engine may or may not be originl to the car we are certainly unable to tell from your pictures! I would want evidence from an EXPERT to determine that based on things that happen in todays world!Mr Voodo can you elaborate as to the time frame or years you owned the car!The year the car supposedly was crushed! Don't you have to file papers with the State when a car is crushed! I know you do in Texas!There is more to this than is being told and I admit I am curious to find out the True story from all Parties involved!Although in this day and time a person really should be careful calling a car of this caliber a FRAUD! It could come back to BITE you in the ASS like a MAD PIT BULL! so if you care to elaborate continue If you have nothing else to say then tell us that also!You have just proved so far you know how to ruffle a few feathers opening a thread like this.I am like Belaire!I to will wait and see what takes place.Personally I don't think you are going to be saying a whole lot more! Just my opinion and most of the time I am wrong but we will see! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[RamAirDave]

Vodoo is a member here on this site, and has an ebay auction running, so it shouldnt be too difficult to contact and ask him to show back up to state what he has to say.

[budnate]

guess I am slow at times, did someone post this yet??

1- how was car #66 being represented in the running gear dept as numbers or not??? last year, simple question . either the car is numbers or it is not, pretty simple, EH??? so where is the add??? or know for sure whats in the car CE date coded etc...???

2- vodoo has crap pics of his stuff, but it sure looks like a vin on the side of a block, and it sure looks like a correct stamped BE rear, is the date right?? who knows but the BE and numbers looks right even in the crap pics.

did I miss a page on the old add???

[RamAirDave]

The #66 car has "allegedly" (I dont know the facts, just from what I've read/heard) been represented as a #s car. Of course "#s" has a different meaning these days.

I dont know which side of the story is true, but it is an unresolved issue in which both sides should represent in full disclosure.

We'll have to wait and see...

[JimM]

[ QUOTE ]
...I know nothing about the 66 car...

[/ QUOTE ]
Exactly... I find it HIGHLY unusual that no one here seems to "know anything about the #66 car" that they are willing to post.

[GRB]

Until somebody calls somebody else a fat pig face, I'm out of this one!

[M.W.C.C.]

Hello everyone. I just wanted to put my 2 cents in on this thread. I find it very coincidental that the owner of the so called "original drivetrain" for car #66 put his auction for all to view almost exactly a month before the Scottsdale auction. We all know the value of these rare pieces and this may all be an elaborate plan to discredit a true classic or get a huge chunk of money. As many of you have asked, "why has Bill not contacted either the owner of #66 or the authorities"?? Also, why did he list it on ebay of all places?? I personally believe it was for maximum exposure and he sure has achieved that.

If the car was destroyed then the state has to be notified and the title would reflect that PERIOD. Even though Bill says he tossed the car around like a piece of junk, even back in the 90's these cars had real value. If it was stollen, why was it not reported??

I don't know what to make of any of this, but if Bill truely has the original stuff, it needs to be reunited with the car. I do not believe that the whole story will ever be known. If I had car #66 then I would be at this guys front door right now. There's just too many scenarios and we all may be the fools. Without any more replies by voodoo, we're all just guessing.

I am a business owner and restorer of these fine Camaros for almost 20 yrs and have watched this hobby grow to the mega business that it has become. I frightens me too see a current trend of fakes, swapped tags, and restampings all for money. They are becoming rampit and as enthusiasts we need to secure the future of these classics. We need to keep this thread going and get to the bottom of this (if possible)as the implications are huge.

Thanks for listening to my 2 cents.

Nick @ M.W.C.C.

[nuch_ss396]

Well,

I do have to admit that I am a little confused over why
VoDoo responded early in this dabate, then went AWOL.

I do believe that it is put-up or shut-up time. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

Where is VoDoo? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Where is the current owner of ZL-1 #66 ? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Anybody close in Waterburt, CT that can see these parts personally? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif
Does anyone here know if ZL-1 #66 is a "numbers matching" car? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

Steve

[Rick H]

[ QUOTE ]
Where is VoDoo?

[/ QUOTE ]
Probably sitting at his computer reading all this and laughing his a$$ off.

[ QUOTE ]
Where is the current owner of ZL-1 #66 ?

[/ QUOTE ]
Probably sitting in his lawyers office NOT laughing one bit!

This guy's (vodoo) last post was 2 days ago. Obviously it was meant to ruffle feathers. Time to let it go.

Rick H.

[hvychev]

This hobby is beginning to suck. Maybe it is just in this end of it. I don't know...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Lynn]

My notes from Dec. 1997 indicate #66 was owned by "BAR-JACKSON" at the time, which I must assume is Barrett Jackson.

I am making no accusations. Just trying to figure this out along with most of you guys. Bill's auction states;
"I have owned this car since the 80's, It was registered,insured, and taxed till 99."

That sure SEEMS to be at odds with my notes. Of course, if the car was in a pile somewhere, or thought to be in a pile, it could be possible. But why would you keep registering and INSURING a car that was in a pile? Again, not making accusations, just asking legitimate questions. I would like to see a clear pic of the VIN derivitive stamping on the side of the block. The one in the auction is pretty bad.

I don't know Bill and I don't know the current owner. If Bill does indeed have a river card to play, sure seems this would be the right time to play it.

[JimM]

I'm beginning to smell a rat.

This is completely hearsay at this point, but "someone" just told me that the rear in the ebay auction was "found" in a newly purchased Nova a month ago.

[JimM]

I found a post in the archives from someone who saw the cars at a show in pheonix several years ago, a silver ZL1, #66. The owners name is there, and at least at that time, was NOT Pat McGrober.

The curiosity is killing me, I may have to pm Charley, he knows all.

[Jim_Becker68]

This auction for me has some questions.

1. This is a horrible time of year to auction off big money items. Many people are traveling, taking time off work to be with family and just not paying a lot of attention to something like e-Bay.

2. Why put the dollars in e-Bay's pocket when it is such a tough time of year to sell????

Other things that bother me...

If I owned a ZL1 which, with it original numbers matching rear end, transmission and engine would be an ungodly amount......wouldn't you keep track of the car? A true muscle car collector would have this car no matter what condition under lock and key and all paperwork in a fireproof place.

If the car was long off the road.....why continue to register and insure the vehicle????

If crushed why are the records not available??? Surely the state of Connecticut has salvage yard laws. I know in the state of Illinois they are very strict.

Why are so many of pictures so poor???? For the amount of money that one is expecting from this auction, you would expect the photos to be crisp, clear and well lit. These on this auction are not.

If this person - voodoo (Bill) - did show up with title in hand a few years ago to lay claim to the car #66 what was the legal out come? From what others have written on this thread, law enforcement was involved. Voodoo never did say what the outcome was of that incident. We only know that he said he was not arrested.

If voodoo knows about the car being represented as the true #66, why has he not started legal procedings??? I would believe that there are many attorneys that would gladly take a 1/3 of the value of a numbers matching ZL1.

There is a whole lot of story that is in the dark on this car, engine, etc. I for one would surely not want to be in the center of this storm. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[vodoo]

Ok, Here I am again, Yes its been 2 days, My phone # has not changed its still 1-203-754-5000. I have not yet to here from anyone. All I keep doing is giving more infromation out. Well its time for me to shut up. Why because some of the members on this site are trying to make this situation one sided. Until I or we hear from the other party I will not post anything else. I still have the special front bumper for car#66. Does anyone on this site know where car #60 is, I owned this car. I bought this car for $500 and sold it for $1500. I can help the person who owns this car now. I still know the original owner and other history of that car.

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]
Ok, Here I am again, Yes its been 2 days........... All I keep doing is giving more infromation out. Well its time for me to shut up.

[/ QUOTE ]

sorry, I missed it...how about a link to your "info" that you "keep giving out" does it address any of the questions posted here? It seems that many like minded auto enthusiasts are willing to help straighten out any confusion and assist you in tracking down what may be yours but you have refused to cooperate after making vague statements accompanied by blurry photos. Whats up with that?
It's borderline childish and at the least, evasive and unsportsmanlike. Why the games? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Belair62]

[ QUOTE ]
Why because some of the members on this site are trying to make this situation one sided.

[/ QUOTE ] http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[BARRY]

So, as I understand it, you had a wrecking yard and one of your employees sold the car with the ownership and you still have the original motor and rear end and now, you figure that the car is still out there and you want the car back? My query is, how could you be smart enough to keep the motor and rear end but not the car?

[Belair62]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm beginning to smell a rat.

This is completely hearsay at this point, but "someone" just told me that the rear in the ebay auction was "found" in a newly purchased Nova a month ago.

[/ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
It must be someone close to the inner circle there, as that faction is staying VERY quiet other than Beliar's attempts to ridicule the guy selling the motor.


[/ QUOTE ]

So this little ditty on Camaro.net where you Moderate looks kind of premature now huh ? Learn how to spell my name.I am not ridiculing anything. The whole story sounds pretty stupid doesn't it ? No one in my "inner circle" owns this car and I have no clue who does.Don't infer that I am covering someones asss Jimmy.

[Charley Lillard]

OK...Here is my current and I believe correct info on # 66. Mcgroder purchased the car from the second owner around 1988. The second owner actually traded in ZL1 # 67 on it. This was either at Huffman or somewhere in Il. There was still Huffman paperwork in the car. The car had a LT1 in it and they were told at the time the orig ZL1 engine went in a roundy round car somewhere. At the time of the Mcgroder purchase both hidden vins were checked and were the orig vins for ZL1 # 66. The current owner should and probably does have that trade in paperwork. The engine in #66 has a S or something similar to denote it as a restamp. This info comes from someone who I believe.

I don't believe the seller of the engine on Ebay ever had that car.

[JimM]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I'm beginning to smell a rat.

This is completely hearsay at this point, but "someone" just told me that the rear in the ebay auction was "found" in a newly purchased Nova a month ago.

[/ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
It must be someone close to the inner circle there, as that faction is staying VERY quiet other than Beliar's attempts to ridicule the guy selling the motor.


[/ QUOTE ]

So this little ditty on Camaro.net where you Moderate looks kind of premature now huh ? Learn how to spell my name.I am not ridiculing anything. The whole story sounds pretty stupid doesn't it ? No one in my "inner circle" owns this car and I have no clue who does.Don't infer that I am covering someones asss Jimmy.

[/ QUOTE ]

There appears to be some misunderstanding regarding the second remark of mine that was quoted.

I certainly did NOT intend to imply that anyone in the "inner circle" here was involved in this in any way, only that the current owner of this car is remaining silent, and the "inner circle" here seems to be fine with that. His right, and yours, of course.

It is kinda interesting trying to track the history of this car, tho I'm starting to feel a bit like the proverbial "bull in a china shop."

[Jim_Becker68]

So how did Voodoo-Bill get a hold of the drivetrain? If this is in fact the real drivetrain.

Second, how was he able to register the car? Could it have been done through one of those title services?

He states he is giving out ALL the information.....what information???? Other than tiny little bits and pieces....

He states he is waiting to hear from the owner of the car. Due to the value of this automobile this NOT something that the owner and Voodoo-Bill need to discuss in an open forum on the internet. This is NOT something that they should discuss over the telephone. This IS something that attorneys representing both parties need to discuss. The value of the car puts it in Federal lawsuit territory and with money like that on the table that is the only place I can see this being resolved. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Stuart Adams]

I don't understand why Bill is auctioning off the motor?

[poolhustler]

Probably just part of his game playing. I would venture to guess that his "reserve" is set so high, they won't sell.

Russ...

[vodoo]

[ QUOTE ]
AZCAMAROS Beware of this Auction! Car #66 has been in Arizona since the late 70's and remains here.

[/ QUOTE ]

GLAD TO SEE SOME OF YOU ARE FINALLY BACKING ME UP!!!! THIS CAR WAS SAID TO BE AN ARIZONA CAR ITS WHOLE LIFE, NOW ITS SAID TO BE AN ILLINOIS CAR HALF ITS LIFE!!!! WHEN IS THIS CAR GOING TO COME BACK TO THE NORTH EAST AND BECOME THE RACE CAR IT WAS????
I called Desert Autosport when this car was listed by them. They had no idea who I was. They told me that #66 ZL1 that were selling was 100% original #'s matching, found sitting in a barn in Arizona its whole life, They stated this car still had the original manufacturer's statement of origin!!
Now we get a whole new story on car #66 ZL1. Now its not #'s matching, has a small block in it. Car no longer Arizona car its whole life. Car now an Illionis car half its life. This story changes every day like a soap opera.
So as I said before I never signed ownership away of Car #66 Zl1 Vin# 124379N644311.And I still have some of its original componets!!! I fell the truth will come out very soon about this car being an east coast race car like I said!!!!!!!! ( PS Can anyone tell me why I have a high bidder named desertautosport bidding on my parts on ebay ) WHY IS HE BIDDING ON THEM? SINCE HE STATED HE ALREADY HAD THEM IN A #'S MATCHING #66 ZL1 ??????????????????

[70 copo]

WOW...This is getting good! Popping more pop corn now.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

[Tenney]

[ QUOTE ]

So as I said before I never signed ownership away of Car #66 Zl1 Vin# 124379N644311.And I still have some of its original componets!!!

[/ QUOTE ]

Your bidness, but any of the original paper not signed away might lend a hand in validating your angle.

[BUIZILLA]

[ QUOTE ]
So as I said before I never signed ownership away of Car #66 Zl1 Vin# 124379N644311. And I still have some of its original components!!!

[/ QUOTE ]I'm with BelAir here, okay, I've read/heard enough already, VooDoo if YOU have proof that YOU never signed the car away, that would mean that you have owned it BEFORE PMc did, soooo YOU need to post a copy of the title, since a delinquent registration COPY isn't proof of anything in court, or i'm sure YOU can expect heavy litigation if YOU can't prove the above statement YOU just made, on a world read public access forum. In other words, it's time for YOU to put up or shut up !! YOUR credibility is greatly at stake here over ONE car, and I don't care how many other cars you own, this ONE car could break you for life... a legitimate TITLE is your river card, so it's time to turn it over, because without a TITLE to back up YOUR statements and auction, you have nothing more than meltable scrap alloy, at 25 cents a pound.

JH

[Jim_Becker68]

[ QUOTE ]
this ONE car could break you for life... a legitimate TITLE is your river card, so it's time to turn it over, because without a TITLE to back up YOUR statements and auction, you have nothing more than meltable scrap alloy, at 25 cents a pound.


[/ QUOTE ]

Which leads to my previous statement........

The value of this car is FEDERAL LAWSUIT TERRITORY.....and only there will this be decided.

All he has provided is a copy of a registration for this VIN and that at the time he owed the municipality of Wolcott back property taxes. I caught that on the registration form. This what the state had on the registration he provided.....

YOUR REGISTRATION RENEWAL HAS NOT BEEN PROCESSED BECAUSE - THIS REGISTRATION WILL NOT BE RENEWED UNLESS YOU PROVIDE PROOF OF PAYMENT OF OVERDUE MUNICIPAL PROPERTY TAX FROM: WOLCOTT

He has never provided proof that he was able to register the car with the tax issue. Maybe this is why the issue he is raising or trying to raise is going nowhere fast.....

I ask....how can you own so many expensive cars and get in a pinch on property tax. Unless Voodoo threw the tax bill out like the body of the #66......Hold it........when the city or county or state want their money.....they send LOTS of paperwork.....so I ask again.....if you have that much money tied up in cars.......how can you fall behind in your property tax - time to sell some cars - raise some capital - maybe this auction is a ploy to squeeze some money out of #66's LEGAL owner????

More observations.........Yenko forum member ZL1#17 started this thread and after a few posts shortly showed that he knew the seller of the motor. Early in the thread he defended voodoo - Bill and then voodoo stepped up to the plate himself. Since then, ZL1#17 has disappeared from the discussion. Surely member ZL1#17 voodoo - Bill's best friend has something to say....but stays silent. Why?

[Motion Camaro]

[ QUOTE ]
This hobby is beginning to suck. Maybe it is just in this end of it. I don't know...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

<font color="blue">If I had #66, I would make it a full out G-Machine just to end this thread.

WHAT!?

Don't tempt me, I'll do it ...

OK, that's it ... where's that ad???

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[Charley Lillard]

My personal guess is Bill acquired the engine somewhere and found a way to get paperwork for the car. It is clear from his registration showing it as a X442L1 he was trying to further document it as a ZL1(I am assuming the 2L1 was a misprint of ZL1). So over the years he has had paper on the car and maybe has the engine. If you are documenting the car as a ZL1 you are not losing track of it like his claim. Unless he comes up with bare metal pics of the hidden vins I won't believe any of his paperwork. Maybe he had the roundy round car that had the engine. That would explain why it was not worth saving. Many roundy round cars have been cut up so much there are no vins but if you found one with a ZL1 engine in it you would sure like to think it belonged in that car especially if you knew how important ZL1's were. I think Bill put the engine up on Ebay and told the tale about having the car as a way to doll up his auction. He has had years to try and resolve this with the owners but has made no effort except to say he was blown off by Desert Autosport and that when he reported it to the Police they never called him back. Hanging your hat on a Sports car dealer saying it is #'s matching means it is a fake is silly. And anyone that thinks there is no way to get a car vin verified without ever producing a real car to look at is niave.

[P.J.]

I have a better idea Both the original owner of the title
and the current owner of the car make a deal restore the car
and then sell it split the money. Instead of some lawyers
eating all the profits http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif
All of us would then be better off to have the car back to
original
PJ

[Rick H]

[ QUOTE ]
It is clear from his registration showing it as a X442L1 he was trying to further document it as a ZL1(I am assuming the 2L1 was a misprint of ZL1).

[/ QUOTE ]

Which leads me to believe the documnet he shows is not on the up and up. Since when does the model designation on a registration show the style trim and engine???

Shouldn't the model desgination say "CAMARO"? I think it should.

Rick H.

[x Baldwin Motion]

that document is crap. why, you ask? because I can photoshop it to say anything, even My name and address and YOUR cars VIN. So there, now you did it, you made me cynical. I like the theory that the motor came out of a NONZL1 roundy round car. Or, that if the car was ever in the scrapyard that an employee sold it or the tags and made a mint. I'm also thinking that the motor for sale on Ebay dosent even exist, that maybe he saw these old photos somewhere and figured he could just post them for some controversy cause its slow this time of year in the scrapyard business and you cant figure out which of 100 muscle cars to drive today. yeah, cynical...I like it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Belair62]

[ QUOTE ]
you cant figure out which of 100 muscle cars to drive today.

[/ QUOTE ]

ooops 99 now...another one is gone ...not sure if it was stolen or crushed...dammit. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Stuart Adams]

This is a crock. Anyone I know that has alot of cars NEVER spouts off about how many cars they have. The only ones that do are the ones that don't!!!!

Good job moderators and others, next.

[COPO]

What's the history on the "BE" rear in the auction?

[M.W.C.C.]

Hello again everyone,

I just wanted to show you all a real CT registration from a 69 Camaro I just purchased. CT does not require a title for a car this old, but they do need to perform a physical inspection before they'll issue a registration. I know this because the seller of the car I purchased had to have one done before he got the reg. You will see this looks nothing like the paperwork provided by VOODOO. I hope I can get it loaded properly for all to see. I've been following these threads and was surprised to now see that Bill is looking for yet another ZL1. This is really getting to be quite a story now. What can you believe if anything at all anymore. If the file doesn't load properly, bare with me. I'll try to get it up ASAP.

Nick

[M.W.C.C.]

Let's try this again. I'll keep trying till I can post the document.

Nick

[Xplantdad]

It's there now...

[M.W.C.C.]

One more time. I hope this works. If not, you can probably view the link.

Nick

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/241819-69RSRegistration2.GIF

[M.W.C.C.]

As you can see in my post above, the CT registration looks nothing like the paperwork provided by the seller of the engine. I would think he has to have a document like this if he was registering the car all those years.

HMMM, I wonder if this will stir anything else up with him??

Nick

[x Baldwin Motion]

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q101/65z13/zl1REG.jpg

Here is another registration from the State of Confusion. Since none of this turned about to be real and it was all for entertainment we can laugh about it now.
Merry Christmas!

Chris http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Charley Lillard]

They are two different documents. He wouldn't fake his document and include the problem of paying his property taxes. I don't doubt that his paperwork is real. I just don't believe he ever had ZL1 # 66...Good job though Motion...

[Verne_Frantz]

Charley,
I've kept my mouth shut so far as I've read all of this, but I have to say that a bunch of guys here are really jumping to conclusions that are very bitter and accusitory. No ONE here knows the facts yet. Ask questions now, but don't try to pass judgement just yet.
And for CHRIST'S sake, and I mean that literally, this is Christmas Eve. Let it go guys. There are more important things!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NONE of you are going to change the history that is unfolding by your personal comments!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Verne http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[Jim_Becker68]

What Nick has appears to be a title document. Voodoo-Bill has a registration. I agree with Charley that the document that voodoo provided is an official state form. Plus not many would post a document for the world to see that shows you had some delinquent property taxes. Got give voodoo credit for having the balls to let the world see he had a little problem in 1999. Plus I see a fold line in the scan on voodoo's registration. I do believe it is real.

Now I have a question. Do states check a data base to see if there is another open title or registartion on the vin that they are issuing a title and or registration on in their state. Other than the title surrended to them by the person requesting the title and registration. This may explain why there is a registration in CT and a car in AZ, with the same vin.

[DESERT AUTOSPORT]

I have been watching the comments on ZL1 #66 and would like to add my 2 cents since it is no secret I have some credible knowledge on this car. No one has ever contacted my about this car directly for starters. I have never listed the car for sale on ebay or anywhere else. One of my salesman at the time exactly 3 years ago posted a listing on this site to try to find out some information about this car we had coming in so he could use the information to help sell it and no information has ever been posted anywhere else. The car we were going to purchase was ZL-1 #66. It had originated from the Pat McGrouder collection. It positivly did not have the original #'s matching engine in it but a correct motor that appartently was located sometime in the 1980's and supposedly some kind of experimental motor from the era. I do not know what was in the car previous to that but believe it was a small block to the best of my memory. I did see the titles on the car and do not remember exactly what was there but I do remember that the title was from at least the mid 1980's and pre-dated when McGrouder owned the car and he never got a fresh title. I also think there was a title from the previous owner back in the 70's who may have been the original owner and he traded it for another ZL-1 after blowing up the motor in car #66. I cannot document the story but did actually see paperwork back to the 1970's. The owner of the motor for car #66 on ebay did call the police and they tried to find the car but I did not have physical possession of it at the time and could not help them. McGrouder was immediatly contacted and claimed to have resolved the situation and was the victorious party in the legal battle and that is the last I heard of car #66. I hope this posting sheds some light on the subject if nothing else.

[Jim_Becker68]

Thank you http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Now if the original motor was blown, and my limited understanding is that some or all of the ZL1's saw some serious race time and this secnero is very plausible....what is voodoo selling - a blown motor, a restamped motor, the original motor and it is not blown or ???

This still leaves the question of the CT registration which is clearly at odds with the paper work that goes back to the 70's and 80's. Due to the extreme value of these cars and engines it has stirred a lot of dust and dirt and the whole truth seems to be mostly missing.

If I were the owner of #66, I would have my attorney on speed dial right now, for this auction and these state of CT documents sure are mudding up the water on ownership and authenticity.

[Charley Lillard]

Thankyou Desert Autosport for checking in.

[Motion Camaro]

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/241879-241819-69RSRegistration2.gif

<font color="blue">....not a registration </font>

[Motion Camaro]

[ QUOTE ]
Hello again everyone,

I just wanted to show you all a real CT registration from a 69 Camaro I just purchased. CT does not require a title for a car this old, but they do need to perform a physical inspection before they'll issue a registration. I know this because the seller of the car I purchased had to have one done before he got the reg. You will see this looks nothing like the paperwork provided by VOODOO. I hope I can get it loaded properly for all to see. I've been following these threads and was surprised to now see that Bill is looking for yet another ZL1. This is really getting to be quite a story now. What can you believe if anything at all anymore. If the file doesn't load properly, bare with me. I'll try to get it up ASAP.

Nick

[/ QUOTE ]

[CTChevelle]

Hello
Just to let everybody know the document that MWCC posted is a CT Bill of Sale and not a registration. You can go to the DMV or any local police department and get a stack of them and the buyer and seller fills it out. The document that Vodoo posted is a CT registration form and is the form you get when you renew your registration. The only way to get this form is if you already have that vehicle registered. Renewal is one to two years depending on the type of registration. As far as the model designation on the registration form, the person registering it puts that on when the vehicle is first registered. In this case, x442L1, and not Camaro. DMV does not care what you put there and they do not have a book to show if the info you are putting is correct. You could register your car as a "Chevy Mustang" if you really wanted and they would never say anything to you. As far as inspections go things have changed in recent years. Inspections have always and still are only done the 1st time you register a vehicle and not at renewel or any other time. Up to approximately 2000 or so you had to go through inspection for any vehicle 10 years old or older or an out of state vehicle. This was a saftey inspection only and they did not verify hidden VINS. They verified the VIN plate to the registration and that was it. Saftey inspection only to look at tires, brakes, lights, etc. The only time VINS were checked was with a salvaged title. After the change in 2000 or there abouts, there is no saftey inspection. They now verify 2 VINS on the car. They check the VIN plate to anything else with a VIN and that includes a motor or tranny. If not matching #'s then they check the hidden VIN. As far as titles go in CT, the DMV only requires titles on 1981 or newer cars. If you register a 1981 or older vehicle and give the DMV a title they will destroy it and you will never see it again. For the police investigation in this case, it would almost certainly not take place. As somebody said earlier this would be a civil matter and the police may (depending on the local department) document it with a report, but there would not be an investigation, unless it could be proven that there was some type of crime in CT. Meaning that there was some proof that the car or VIN was stolen, i.e. video of it happening or somebody confessing. If there is none, let the lawyers sort it out. I have no connection to anybody who posted on this thread or to this car or engine, but just passing this info along because some of these CT documents and the CT DMV can be confussing.

Steve

[Jim_Becker68]

Steve,

Excellent information, very imformative.

This still begs the question.....where did the seller of the motor get the information to file a registration since the actual car is verified as being titled back to the 70's and 80's in the southwest.

[M.W.C.C.]

Hello again everyone,

Well, I saw the error of my ways last night before I called it a day. The document I posted was the B.O.S. I do have the old registration as well and it looks pretty close too what has been shown by voodoo, just slightly different I suspect since mine is an older document. I just posted the wrong file and there is no need to further clarify since CTChevelle has corrected my stupid mistake. Sorry for the confusion. Santa had me going nuts yesterday and I guess I just had a brain fart.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif

The new info from Dessert Auto is very interesting and will have me glued to my seat until this one is resolved.

Happy Holidays too ALL!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[vodoo]

[ QUOTE ]
Re: Did that #66 ZL1 ever sell at B-J auction? [Re: njsteve]
#67878 - 01/28/04 08:22 AM Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply



# 66 was never at B-J Auction, just in Scottsdale at a Dealer for sale. Here is the last I heard and and it might be absolutely wrong as there have been so many descriptions of events. The Guy had his car stolen around 86 or so. The Car at the dealer that he thinks was his had been in Pat McGroeders posession since before this Guys car was stolen so it couldn't possibly the same car. McGroeder also has ownership history on the car going way back. I think this guy barked up the wrong tree.




[/ QUOTE ]


HI CHARLEY,

Can you please tell me what dealer car #66 was for sale at in your previous posting?????????????? QUOTED ABOVE!!!
Charley I do not know anyone on this site, But you always help anyone with questions. That is why I am going to ask you to give me an honest answer. WHAT DEALER WAS THIS CAR #66 FOR SALE AT IN SCOTTSDALE ARIZONA?????????

[Charley Lillard]

Vodoo...It was Desert Autosport. He posted a few posts above this one. I thought he had it listed here for sale or on Ebay back then but I could be wrong. I know there was a price. Someone should be able to dig up the old thread from this site.

[Bill Pritchard]

This is probably the thread you're referring to, Charley....

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat...=true#Post65407 (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=UBB1&amp;Number=65407&amp;Searchpa ge=1&amp;Main=65407&amp;Words=%26quot%3BZL1+%2366%26quot%3 B&amp;topic=&amp;Search=true#Post65407)

Merry Christmas to all!

[x Baldwin Motion]

[/ QUOTE ]


Can you please tell me what dealer car #66 was for sale at WHAT DEALER WAS THIS CAR #66 FOR SALE AT IN SCOTTSDALE ARIZONA?????????

[/ QUOTE ]

#65421 - 01/13/04 01:44 PM
#66 now belongs to us (Scottsdale Lotus).

info posted here by "bornfast"
Reged: 01/13/04
Posts: 5
Loc: Scottsdale, AZ

[vodoo]

Hi Charley,

I can not post anymore information on this site that has to do with documentation. As you can see in an eariler posting X Baldwin Motion Altered State Documents. Making a joke out of it but in reality its someones car 124379N644366. What happens 40 years from now when this document pops up. Yes it was a joke toward me. But if all eyes were open!! Everything I have said in this posting is real and true. Its always a joke to knock me. What about all of the people posting and then saying thay were wrong and sorry. Desert Autosport said he never had car for sale. Charley as you stated to me he did. In you defense the whole world new that this car was for sale at Desert Autosport. As for M.W.C.C you posted what you though you new from living in OHIO. Thats fine but you also tried to make joke out of me. Now your saying your wrong or sorry. I have phone records to prove I spoke with the dealership in Arizona that had this car for sale.

I just wanted to state that I am not friends and do not know this guy!!!!! ZL1 #17 He called me after my listing on ebay. He is just trying to get to the bottom of car #66 like the rest of you and myself are.

[x Baldwin Motion]

vodoo Bill, I am sorry if you found that altered document offensive, it was in no way intended to make FUN of anyone. Just an example of how easily documents of all types can be altered. Just as if someone stole your car and removed it out of state and presented a transferable registration stub for licensing elsewhere. Obviously if the readers here were to believe every post then in fact there must be two cars with the same VIN and one of them and their associated documents are not real. Will you at least concede that much? I dont why you havent answered any of the simple time line questions and instead chose to post that document. Again I see nothing but individuals willing to assist in finding the truth. I posted above the old thread where a person claimed to have #66 for sale in Jan 04. I would suggest picking up the trail from there and let us know what happens. Good Luck.
-Chris

[70 copo]

The whole thread was entertaining to watch but looks to be heading south quick. IMO.. as a hobby website we are rotting from the inside out in a very public way here.

Everyone needs to chill. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[hvychev]

Steve (CT Chevelle),

I owned a Yenko Deuce that was sold new out of Loehmann Chevrolet in Waterburt, CT. When I bought it in 2003 it had been passed through multiple owners on a 1986 CT title which I have good color copies of. Is this a rare thing to have a CT title for a 1970? One thing that you mentioned was also true. The owner that registered the car in 1986 registered it as a "Yenko Nova" and that is what was on the title.

[njsteve]

What is all this talk about "Waterburt" Connecticut? I lived in central CT for 30 years and never heard of a Waterburt. There is a Waterbury but no Waterburt. So add that to the mystery bucket as well. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[JoeG]

It's about 10 miles from Seltzerville,CT.----Happy Holidays http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[camarojoe]

[ QUOTE ]
What is all this talk about "Waterburt" Connecticut? I lived in central CT for 30 years and never heard of a Waterburt. There is a Waterbury but no Waterburt. So add that to the mystery bucket as well. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Frank's Deuce was sold new at Loehmann Chevrolet in Waterbury CT, "Waterburt" was simply a typo on Frank's part.

[njsteve]

I figured. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Just wanted to make sure I hadnt missed a trove of supercars 10 miles from my house. (my parents still live there).

[CT Mark]

Frank, I think that title you have is probably pretty rare. They haven't titled pre-73(?) (I think '73 is the cutoff) cars for many years in CT.

Also...my 2 cents on the property tax thing...Property tax on vehicles/boats/RV's in CT is paid to the municipality where you live...no direct affiliation with the DMV. The municipality does the recordkeeping and billing for this...which you can imagine is not perfect. On more than one occasion, I've received tax bills for vehicles that I have sold. In those instances, I bring the bill of sale and the tax receivable is cancelled. I could just as easily have paid the bill and they would continue to bill me. It would not prove anything about me owning the vehicle. It would just prove that I'm stupid. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[CTChevelle]

Hi Frank
I don't know for sure, but I would say in CT probably about 20% of them still have titles, maybe less. CT was destroying titles on old cars as far back as I can remember, which is the 1980's. Even then there was a lack of titles on the cars. Most people knew that they would never see their titles again, so they started keeping them. DMV would, sometimes, ask you if you had a title and you would either give them a copy of it or none at all.

Loehmann Chevrolet is still in business. I believe they are in the same building that they were in back then. A friend of mine owned a CR Deuce back in the 80's or 90's. I believe sold out of Loehmann. Maybe the same car that you owned. If this is the car, he knew the importance of Yenko's back then and would have know the "title game" in CT and kept the title.

Steve

[M.W.C.C.]

Hello Again All,

I have been following this thread since the beginning and have even put in a few posts as you all know. I would just like to know, as I think many have asked before, why vodoo (Bill) has not fully disclosed everything. He has stated he wants to get to the bottom of this, yet his actions say different. ZL1#17 stated early on that Bill still has the title. Has ZL1#17 viewed this title?? Bill, if you have the title, then you still own the car and I would think it's a pretty simple, but possibly very expensive matter.

I just would like too see this matter resolved. A car of this magnitude needs to be clear of controversy. Bill has never straight-up answered some of the questions. It's like cloak and dagger, smoke and mirrors. I know the members of this site would be more than happy to assist Bill in his search, but he has not helped the situation with the vague nature of his posts and those terrible pictures on ebay (not a stab at you Bill, but they are very poor quality shots).

It's pretty clear that in a lot of states you can continue to renew a registration on a car this old through the mail even though you no longer have the car. I'm from NJ and have only been in Ohio for a few years. In NJ they do state inspections for emissions. They verify the registration and VIN at these inspections. I'm not sure if they have changed the laws since I moved. In Ohio, since most of the state is very rural, there are no annual inspections (depending on where you live) and you could continue too register a car through the mail every year till your gone. This does complicate things for Bill as states really could care less about our hobby or the value of these cars. Even with all of this going against his claim of ownership of car #66, an actual state document like a title has too have a lot of weight legally. I think this thread could have ended a long time ago with straight answers. I don't believe members are trying too discredit Bill. Including me, though Bill would not believe so. I admitted my mistake. But the whole situation seems too be just so far fetched at times with round about answers from Bill.

ZL1#17 stated that Bill has the title and paperwork for car #66. If his statements are correct then Bill has not straight-up answered this question:

Bill, Do you have the title and other paperwork as stated by ZL1#17??

You don't have too post the documents you have for the world too see, just state what you have in your possesion to back up your claim. If you have it, then go get your car (after the attorney's get there cut of coarse which could be quite painful)

Voodoo (Bill), please please answer the question and help restore the reputation of car #66.

Thanks,
Nick

[Jim_Becker68]

E-Bay has zapped the auction!!!!

Its completely gone! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[SOM2001SS]

Damn, this thread used up my whole lunch hour and I didn't even see any girlie pics http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
After reading this I'm almost happy I don't have a million dollars to spend on a car.
If I did I hope I'd still be happy with my $20K Chevelle with no documentation.
I need a nap now.

[vodoo]

I JUST WANTED TO LET ALL OF YOU KNOW I DID NOT PULL THE LISTING.

EBAY PULLED IT.

THEY SAID: MISCATEGORIZATION

[x Baldwin Motion]

its a conspiracy. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
I JUST WANTED TO LET ALL OF YOU KNOW I DID NOT PULL THE LISTING.

EBAY PULLED IT.

THEY SAID: MISCATEGORIZATION

[/ QUOTE ]

Bill,

How was it miscategorized? I found it under a ZL-1 search.
You should dig into why eBay closed this auction....... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

You sure have me wondering now. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Steve

[69RSSS]

Parts listed under the cars for sale section?

[nuch_ss396]

Jeff,

Why kill the auction though? Category is associated.
I didn't know eBay was that anal..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Steve

[Verne_Frantz]

I thought it was kind of anal too, but ebay pulled one of my auctions for using the word "not" in the heading. They have a list of no-no words (not, like, similar to, resembles) They called it spamming. But they DID send me a notice why it was pulled.

Verne

[COPO]

It was listed under Camaro in cars for sale section, not as parts, which is the reason it was pulled.

[nuch_ss396]

I get it. But why is that cause to pull the auction?
I would assume they could just move it - WHO CARES WHERE
IT IS! I care what it is.

Besides, the high dollar figure on this auction should
have told ePay that it had a following. Why cancel it?
Sort of self defeating I think. Just my .02

Steve

[x Baldwin Motion]

I believe the seller may still have to pay a listing fee based on his reserve. Ebay still wins. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Don't bitch about Ebay. It all could have been avoided by listing it in the parts for sale section.

[Mr70]

I thought it was deleted due to head shadow.

[Jim_Becker68]

The car section where the parts were listed is a flat fee catagory. You pay a $40.00 insertion fee - regardless of reserve and a $40.00 final value fee regardeless of the final price if the vehicle sells.

In the parts catagories you pay a fee based on your starting bid and a fee on your reserve based on that amount. Then if the item sells you pay a final value fee which is in the case of these ZL-1 parts would be a stepped fee.

I can tell you that e-Bay would have gotten a ton more money than $40.00 for the listing under the parts section and if the engine had sold, they would have made a pile more money than $40.00 for the final value fee.

If you are a seller don't mess with e-Bay and its fees. It is something that they are darned crappy about.

[BARRY]

HI OR JUST SOME MORE BULL ---- WE WILL ALL NO IF IT IS NOT RELISTED??????????

[Stuart Adams]

Hopefully we may get some pictures that show something if he re - lists it.

[TXSS]

Just a quick word of warning regarding eBay's value fees.They can add up so do the math. I listed a ZL-1 427 and a 69 M-22 on eBay a month or so back with a buy it now only price of 25,500.00 The listing fee was 7.25. I thought, that's cheap. It sold the next day. However, the value fee has 399.00. "Ouch" 1.56% didn't sound like much until I did the math.

[69RSSS]

[ QUOTE ]
Jeff,

Why kill the auction though? Category is associated.
I didn't know eBay was that anal..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Steve

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey Steve,

Like someone mentioned later, eBay gets a lot more money for high value parts (percentage based). Cars are sold at fixed prices ($40 or so to list and $40 for the sale of the vehicle).

Jeff

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Jeff,

Why kill the auction though? Category is associated.
I didn't know eBay was that anal..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Steve

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey Steve,

Like someone mentioned later, eBay gets a lot more money for high value parts (percentage based). Cars are sold at fixed prices ($40 or so to list and $40 for the sale of the vehicle).

Jeff

[/ QUOTE ]

WOW! They really are turning into ePay - huh?

Steve

[Unreal]

Lucky for you it didn't sell for $125,500-- it would have cost you an extra $1,500 and you would have had to pocket the extra $98,500.

[PeteLeathersac]

Any more news on the status of the #66 car(s)? .

~ Pete
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[L78 ELCAMINO]

Here is a photo of what east coast Bill who claims to have #66 and likes building cars. His basement does contain a unmolested #s matching 70 LS6 Chevelle convert, the basement also contained until recently the Fathom Blue Deuce from the Arkansas dealer and was sold and made into a Day 2 car. The basement also contains an plain jane low mileage Cortez Silver (as #66) just waiting to be restored or upgraded to something more desireable....Hmmmm Pictures of all these can be attached in the future if anyone so desires. The attachment on this post and the next is about as odd and eccentric as it gets...
Bob http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[L78 ELCAMINO]

Another photo of the same carnival ride..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Justbad Joe]

the basement also contained until recently the Fathom Blue Deuce from the Arkansas dealer and was sold and made into a Day 2 car.

Peck deuce?!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif
Joe

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Yes

[x Baldwin Motion]

""Hmmmm Pictures of all these can be attached in the future if anyone so desires""

I'm game, lets see the basement.

And some clear pics of that........oh, never mind! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[ssl78]

This is the thread with vodoo

[69 Muscle]

Hi,

First time at this forum, nice read. Isn't the owner of #66 Craig Jackson of Barrett Jackson?

[COPO]

Not unless he bought it in the last few weeks.

[L78 ELCAMINO]

More basement photos, first the "Fathom Blum Deuce", attached......

[L78 ELCAMINO]

Another.....

[L78 ELCAMINO]

Another Deuce.....

[L78 ELCAMINO]

Could this car lurking in the basement be the next #66 ZL1? Attached

[JChlupsa]

a Picture of the VIN would have helped but with 307 emblems and a flat hood, it doesnt fit the bill

[L78 ELCAMINO]

Real deal LS6 Ragtop hiding in the basement.....

[L78 ELCAMINO]

Note the original unmolested engine with all correct part numbers and date codes....

[L78 ELCAMINO]

Note the original CRV block stamp. Note visible in the photo but also wears the original unmolested VIN stamp....

[JChlupsa]

[ QUOTE ]
Note the original unmolested engine with all correct part numbers and date codes....

[/ QUOTE ]

Smog pump/tubes and Exhaust maniforlds are missing

neat pictures though keep them coming

did you take them or ???

[L78 ELCAMINO]

Photos taken by a relative a few years back.
Bob http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[L78 ELCAMINO]

I realize the Camaro does not fit the bill as the ZL1 in present state........but who knows what could happen with the wave of a majic wand......

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Motown took the pics, distributed them several years ago.

[Mr70]

[ QUOTE ]
Note the original unmolested engine with all correct part numbers and date codes....

[/ QUOTE ]

Not to take anything away from this car,but to say it has an "unmolested engine" would be stretching it a bit.
Based on that one picture,somebody turned some wrenches.
*Incorrect Brake Master Cylinder.
*Reproduction Air Cleaner with incorrect Chrome lid.
*They never had inline fuel filters.
*Void of any T.C.S.
*Replaced Water Pump
*Missing CHEVELLE grille emblem.
*Holding headers
*Aftermarket spark plug wires
*Completely void of A.I.R.
*Somebody used a spray bomb,as the Power steering reservoir and other ornamental fixtures have Orange overspray that would hardly be considered factory procedure.
Nice to see the Fiber wheelhouse skirts,and if that radiator hose is authentic it's carrying a 4:10 posi.
Real stripe delete car?

[L78 ELCAMINO]

This certainly backs up the fact that I am no expert in the field, from the photos it leans towards the engine having not been out of the car anytime recently. If Motown is Matt then yes that is where the photos originated from, I am his wifes brother. He will be back amoung the so called "free" population sometime this coming summer barring any further set backs. Someone asked for the photos to be posted so I was just trying to oblige.
Bob http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Mr70]

Thank You for posting those pics,it is always interesting to look at them again and learn from.

I apologize for getting off topic,but to answer a question a few emailed me about what I stated above..

From my findings,beginning in 1970,when Chevelles received a 4 core radiator,(LS-6 4:10 rears automatically did),it also called out in box #47 of the Buildsheet for the same curved radiator top hose as anyother Air conditioned equipped Chevelle.
When those non LS-6 air conditioned equipped cars got that heavy duty radiator,they had to have a special top radiator hose to clear the Air conditioning compressor mounted above the steering box.This is the "SV" coded curved hose,as opposed to the "KY" straighter hose.There was no need for the included "SV" coded hose on the 1970 LS-6 Chevelle,because there would never be an A/C compressor there.
So when the assembly line was building these 4:10 4 core equipped LS-6 Chevelles,they continued with the A/C curved top hose and didn't notice/care that it didn't really need it.A straight "KY" would have done just fine.
If that top radiator hose is authentic to that particular LS-6,it can help identify the rear ratio without having to get on your hands and knees to check the rear axle tube.
But granted you shouldn't always take an owners word as verbatim,as the top hose could have easily been changed later on with an incorrect one,so double checking the axle tube code is always good insurance too.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

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.... If Motown is Matt then yes that is where the photos originated from, I am his wifes brother. He will be back amoung the so called "free" population sometime this coming summer barring any further set backs...

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Thx for the warning! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif



Rick's statement... "straight "KY" would have done just fine"... is just beggin for harassment http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[bcmiller]

Engine is back on ebay. BE rear too.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221153379842

[supercomp 8.90]

maybe the car was crushed? but the vin and cowl tags were already missing? kind of like the story on the yenko race car years ago.