New trim tags on Ebay

[70 Forest Green Zee]

I just came accross this on Ebay. This crap really pisses me off....it is ruining the muscle car hobby and making it more difficult to know weather or not a car is really legit.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-70-71-...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-70-71-72-chevy-SS-camaro-Z28-chevelle-paint-trim-tag_W0QQitemZ250066999325QQihZ015QQcategoryZ10076Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[WILMASBOYL78]

I'm sure glad we bought all our tags before they got popular.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

wilma

[69LM1]

If you did not like that, then you REALLY won't like this:

Blank Vin Plate, Ready for Stamping (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/68-69-70-71-camaro-chevelle-gm-A-body-cowl-data-tag_W0QQitemZ250067004121QQihZ015QQcategoryZ6755QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[70 Forest Green Zee]

It figures....same son of a bitch turning out the fake trim tags. 10 bucks a letter to stamp them too. Isn't there some law that would prevent him from doing this???

[3macs1]

He has been doing this for many years to the vet boys, just expanded to include the rest of the chevys when the vet business declined.It is only going to get worse in my mind as more and more repo parts become available.

[x Baldwin Motion]

well that certainly could explain why we have two ZL1#66!
obviously changing your tags info is illegal, but is the supplier of the tags guilty or just the car owner? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

here's the sellers response when I asked him if it were legal to change the tags;

"Item: 69 70 71 72 chevy SS camaro Z28 chevelle paint trim tag (250066999325)
This message was sent while the listing was active.
howard9101 is the seller.
"absolutely legal to change color/trim/options on cowl tag.thanks howie [email protected] "

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[Steven J]

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here's the sellers response when I asked him if it were legal to change the tags;

"Item: 69 70 71 72 chevy SS camaro Z28 chevelle paint trim tag (250066999325)
This message was sent while the listing was active.
howard9101 is the seller.
"absolutely legal to change color/trim/options on cowl tag.thanks howie [email protected] "

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That's true. The VIN plate is a different story.

[ANDY M]

Item closed now.

[Verne_Frantz]

THose are being offered by Bill Clement, of older Cherycraft fame from Lubbock, TX. He also does VIN tags, but at least ebay won't let those be listed!

I'll never figure out why he's not in jail by now. His history of doing stuff like that goes back 20 years! Anybody remember the "Attention bottom feeders" ads in Hemmings????

[x Baldwin Motion]

HE EVEN HAS PROTECT O PLATES !!
http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZhoward9101

[BBIGG BLOCK 396]

I know it don't make it right but with all the illegal stuff going on in the car hobby today such as scammers,Peple selling parts and don't have them or don't ship them etc.You should know it was just a matter of time before these items came availiable.They are not illegal just Immoral! Now this is only my opinion,it don't make it right or wrong it's just my opinion! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[70 Forest Green Zee]

It's kind of sad really that in our society today there are people like this jerk that have no morals or integrity,they'll do anything for the almighty buck. This guy is really the scum of the earth and I hope that he meets the front end of a greyhound bus really soon!

[Jim_Becker68]

Blank trim tags and Protect-o-Plates are perfectly legal. Even the stamping of them is legal. The removal of the trim tag on the car and replacing it is perfectly legal.

This is very unfortunate for the car hobby. Sure many guys on this board could spot a fraudulant trim tag, but what about someone that is new to cars. These are the "pigeons" that many of these replacement trim tags will fool. I have heard of some people having their body media blasted and the blaster destroyed the trim tag. That does happen.

Now lets look at the guy selling blank VIN tags. My understanding, is that be they blank or stamped they are illegal to sell. The fact that he will stamp them (insert with a real vin) is very very illegal. Like Verne Frantz said how this guy stays out of jail is a mystery.

[rat tuned]

how tough are they to id from an original? how about the original rivets that attach them to a firewall? this would have me concerned!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...=ADME:B:EF:US:2 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270062410635&ssPageNam e=ADME:B:EF:US:2)

[x Baldwin Motion]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...=ADME:B:EF:US:2 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270062410635&ssPageNam e=ADME:B:EF:US:2)

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so someone bought this for $1000.00 to turn his 6cyl camaro into a Z28 and its legal? It just dosent seem right.
I can buy a tag for my 65 malibu have code "4FM" punched in and claim it as a Z16 to some unsuspecting uneducated buyer. It is just not right! I know we have too many laws but this is criminal!!

[70 Forest Green Zee]

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how tough are they to id from an original? how about the original rivets that attach them to a firewall? this would have me concerned!!!


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This guy is not only selling brand new trim tags and stamping them too if you wish, he is also selling the correct rivits to mount them. This is just plain fraud in my opinion and I just don't understand why it's not against the law.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-70-71-...1QQcmdZViewItem

Personally I think they should have hung this guy right next to Sadam...... world would be a better place!

[Jim_Becker68]

I totally AGREE it is fraud, plain and simple. The trouble is the guy peddling these tags is the one that WILL NOT get into trouble. It is the seller of a car WITH the FAKE tag on it that will be in leg irons and breaking rocks for ten years. Though the seller does deserve the punishment.

[Verne_Frantz]

Jim is correct. The laws do not punish the guys selling these things (VINs yes - other items, no).
It's as though our entire hobby needs to have an "Ethics Board" that could influence lawmakers.
I wish I could be of more help to guys on this site (or wherever) who own later '60s cars, but all my information pertains to '58-'64 "muscle barges". Honest people in this hobby need HELP from someone who has taken the time to compile the necessary information to either sanction the validity of a car of issue a warning. Who ever would have thought that the authenticity of these cars which we love from our memories would be so valuable today, and so difficult to document as "real"???? The values and desirability of these cars have spawned an underground level of profiteers who are willing to provide the very items we all look for to authenticate the legitimacy of these cars.
Well,I could go on and on about my feelings about this subject. Enough for now.

Verne