Let's all go junkin' !!!

[nuch_ss396]

For all of us trying to restore our beloved cars back to
the way they came ( from the factory ), we are now being
hit with another whole round of insanity - HARDWARE !

Take a look at these few items I have been following on
ePay:


This little intake manifold stud cost $127.28
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/Camaro/38_1-127.28.jpg


This original upper alternator adjusting bolt setup cost $212.49
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/Camaro/4978_1_b.jpg


This prize of valve cover bolts cost $406.00
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/Camaro/c887_1_b.jpg

These Muncie transmission mounting bolts cost $127.50
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/Camaro/89cb_0-127.50.jpg

Now, conversly, these little gems didn't seem so bad:

Transmission to crossmember mounting hardware for $41.95
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/Camaro/cc6d_1_b-41.95.jpg

Transmission mount to tail shaft mounting hardware for $36.95
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/Camaro/f7b8_1_b-36.95.jpg

And lastly, how about an original SHP throttle arm for $225.00
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/Camaro/0c8c_1-225.00.jpg

Who said that the little things in life didn't matter ! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

I may have to consider spending Saturdays in local junkyards
looking for these original hardware pieces. The $$ being spent
here border on the insane. One of the few remaining things
I needed to get for my restoration were original hardware.
I put those off because the cost wasn't that big of an issue - THEN.
Wish I had jumped the gun on this one...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

Steve

[nuch_ss396]

This all gets me think about eBay as a company. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

Does anyone want to wager a bet that eBay saw this coming.
Could they have been that smart? Or just dump luck??

A short time ago, you couldn't give this stuff away. How
many of you ( like me ) have, or had, boxes of original
hardware just lying around getting rusty? Wish I had kept
mine........ http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Steve

[3macs1]

Steve this was discussed also on the impala site and it was interesting. Here is the trend.
http://members5.boardhost.com/impalass427/msg/1164685573.html

[427TJ]

It's not eBay's fault. We're the ones who tossed all those factory parts in the trash back in the day and now we're the ones who demand that our cars have all the factory parts in place. EBay and eBay sellers are just capitalizing on our own behavior.

[CamarosRus]

www.amkproducts.com (http://www.amkproducts.com) has EXCELLENT replacement hardware. It would be great to hear from SCW or NOS Restos how they address the hardware/fastener situation. I myself have been restoring/replating my own MANGANESE Phosphate parts for several years.....

[nuch_ss396]

Chuck,

I agree about AMK. However, when you are as anal about
original hardware as I am, it doesn't leave you much wiggle
room. Case in point would be the original bolts that were
used to attach the brake backing plates to the rear axle tubes.

Those were peculiar and are all but impossible to find
aftermarket. I have looked long and hard but come up dry
on those. Only possible solution is a doner car from the
southwest ( no rust ). Haven't found that one yet. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

Later cars have different head markings. Hence the problem.

Steve

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
It's not eBay's fault. We're the ones who tossed all those factory parts in the trash back in the day and now we're the ones who demand that our cars have all the factory parts in place. EBay and eBay sellers are just capitalizing on our own behavior.

[/ QUOTE ]

Bill,

I'm not blaming eBay for anything. They have just become
the vehicle to our financial demise. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Seriously, my comments here are more about the whole nature
of those of us that tossed this stuff, and those of us that
saved it all. Did others see this trend coming, or just
get lucky. Think about the ZL-1 block in another topic here.
Someone had insight enough to save a "broken" block and one
day it was re-united with the original car. Was is insight,
or sentimental value, or.......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

Steve

[Tarrytown SS427s]

Has enybody besides me seen differnt hardware from cars built at different factories? I have several unrestored 68 Impalas, mostly east coast, but one from California. When I look at the original hardware, the head markings are different. All the east coast cars say RBW on some things and the same parts on the California one are not RBW.
Steve

[68SSCamaro]

I'm restoring my 68 Van Nuys Camaro. It had very little original front end hardware on it. Years ago I found most of the original stuff to attach the sheetmetal on big cars but I haven't worried about some of the other bolts. Most of the Van Nuys stuff I have is RBW. I've seen the Anchor bolts on 67's and a few on 68's. The capital C was found on 69's. I'm glad I did it years ago because it's hard to find these cars in the yards now.

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
Has enybody besides me seen differnt hardware from cars built at different factories? I have several unrestored 68 Impalas, mostly east coast, but one from California. When I look at the original hardware, the head markings are different. All the east coast cars say RBW on some things and the same parts on the California one are not RBW.
Steve

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey Steve!

I can't atest to different hardware being used between the
separate assembly plants, but I can tell you that they used
different hardware in the same plants.

Several hardware suppliers were used to ensure an adequate
supply during the assembly process. Once a bin of bolts
got low, more were added. No one cared about that. We
shouldn't either, as long as they are technically correct.

Case in point, I saw an original 69 RA-3 Firebird that was
totally unmolested. Never taken apart. I took particular
interest in the fasteners on this car. One item that struck
me was the 4 large bolts used to mount the Muncie 4-speed to
the bell housing. The left two were TR head markings and
the right two were RSC head markings. I know for a fact
that this particular car was never apart, so no chance of
the bolts being replaced.

I addressed a question concerning this to the Corvette guys
and they told me that both sides of the line had bins of
bolts. One guy grabbed bolts from one bin and the other guy
grabbed bolts from another bin. The Vette guys are all over
stuff like this. No need to look any further than the NCRS
on topics of this nature.

Steve

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
It's not eBay's fault. We're the ones who tossed all those factory parts in the trash back in the day and now we're the ones who demand that our cars have all the factory parts in place. EBay and eBay sellers are just capitalizing on our own behavior.

[/ QUOTE ]

Bill,

I'm not blaming eBay for anything. They have just become
the vehicle to our financial demise. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Seriously, my comments here are more about the whole nature
of those of us that tossed this stuff, and those of us that
saved it all. Did others see this trend coming, or just
get lucky. Think about the ZL-1 block in another topic here.
Someone had insight enough to save a "broken" block and one
day it was re-united with the original car. Was is insight,
or sentimental value, or.......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

Steve

[/ QUOTE ]

Roger that. I think of some of the parts I tossed in the scrap pile 25 years ago and I just shake my head. The smart guys in those days just put parts in their attics and the many more of us just tossed stuff. 1975: Off comes the dual-snorkle LS-6 air cleaner and on goes the gold anodized velocity stack. 2006: $3,000 for a dual snorkle LS-6 air cleaner on eBay.

I wonder what's getting tossed off of ZO-6 Vettes and new GT-500s these days??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[njsteve]

Back about 15 years ago you wouldn't have imagined what the Dodge boys were "throwing out." We would receive a crate or two every few weeks from Team Viper when we were building the Project Pit Viper for the magazine back then. Dont know why I've been keeping the car and the rest of this stuff so long. Oh well, they dont take up much room and the Viper makes for a great work bench out in the garage. I guess I'll hold them another 10 years or so til they start restoring these cars and they need the original parts. I can always put them ebay with a starting date of 2012 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i30/nk15268a/fallcarday001.jpg


How about an NOS rear differential? Actually, it wasn't NOS back then, It was just plain NS (New Stock)

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i30/nk15268a/PC310003.jpg

Or piles of 92 and 93 factory exhaust systems, including one of the prototype non-catalytic sets from the 1992 Viper Indy 500 Pace Car Program (manufactured by Walker). Just imagine if this was a pile of chambered exhaust sets from '69. I could retire! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i30/nk15268a/PC310005.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i30/nk15268a/PC310006.jpg

Or a few sets of rims and tires like this 1992 zero mile set on the right:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i30/nk15268a/PC310008.jpg

[nuch_ss396]

[quote.......I wonder what's getting tossed off of ZO-6 Vettes and new GT-500s these days??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

NOT A THING ! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif Everyone's smarter today..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[budnate]

Steve sell the stuff now and when it all goes for billions in 15 years you can say you missed again, lol. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[njsteve]

Wow, you're absolutely right. I could be in danger of making a profit for once in my life! I better bail out of these parts now...EJECT, EJECT, EJECT! = (sell, sell, sell)
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[3macs1]

Or hold it until it is repo'd and get repo prices. That is what I am experiencing with many parts.

[drdave69]

Wow. I still have a bucket of engine bolts in the attic from 10 years ago. I need to check them for hidden treasure.

[nuch_ss396]

Dave,

You're only one state away. I'll give you $25.99 for the
whole bucket. A good deal for loose items - wouldn't you
say http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Steve

[njsteve]

Those bucket-o-bolts come in real handy. I finally spent a day sorting though my 30-year collection and found most of the exact same bolts that were up on ebay. They have really come in handy for my GM and Mopar projects over the years. A buddy of mine almost had a coronary when he sent me a photo of the obscure bellhousing bolts for his 71 Hemi 4 speed Charger (an original Mr. Norm's car) and I sent him a complete set I found in the pile of bolts at no charge. He's been working on this eternal project for 20 years and I figured this was one less hurdle for him to jump over. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[SS427]

Hardware has been something that I have always kept from every care I tore apart dating back into the early 80's and now have seperated bins for individual bolts, nuts and washers as well as a huge drawer full of misc hardware. Clips are also something I have always kept.

I always call on anyone selling a Chevelle as a parts car or parting one out. I tell them to call me when the car is stripped and I will finish it and they are always amazed at how much hardware I can remove from a car they thought was "stripped to the bone".

Regarding different head markings, this is also true on the Chevelles as I have found by the RBW or TR valve cover bolts and the 12 point horn attaching bolts (mainly on Leeds cars) as opposed to a 6 point. These are just a couple examples.
Rick

[P.J.]

Great I have saved bots and clips for 70 chevelles and now 68 camaro. I have about 100 pounds worth. i will now restore them.I looked for 3 yeas for 2 screws for the rear gas tank bolts in my 70 chevelle. Finally found them.
Good news for the bolt horders. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif
PJ