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hubleyman
01-08-2007, 12:59 AM
An opportunity has come up for me to purchase one of those long stashed away rare Muscle Cars that I’ve bugged the guy about selling for many years… but I’m short about $100K of play money. I decided to try a quick offering of the least valuable/most expendable of my Cudas and Corvettes (1970 Barracuda/Cuda Clone and 1966 Corvette 427/425 roadster / both are ongoing projects) to see if there are any serious buyers out there. I am only willing to sell one car, but both are definitely available until one sells or until I scare up some extra cash from another source….. I consider you guys serious car enthusiasts and collectors, so these are only going to be mentioned on this site, no other sites or Ebay games to play here. I will list them in two separate listings to avoid discussion confusion….

Finish this project or I can complete it for you (at additional cost, of course):
Originally a 1970 Barracuda blue plate California car, factory 318 , 3 speed, 8 ¾ rear but soon to be Hemi Clone or ?? This was an essentially rust free never hit unmolested bone stock one owner solid car to start with. Broadcast sheet, owner history docs, etc. I think I purchased it in 2000 and drove it until March of 2006. It retains all original body panels (even the shaker hood is made out of the original flat hood from this car), except for the rear valance with dual exhaust cutouts (OEM part, not repro).

Without going into extensive detail, here is the current status: Full rotisserie resto/creation. Body and paintwork is done except for final paint on shaker hood and electrometric bumpers. Originally EF8 green but I changed to FJ6 Sassy Grass Green to match my AAR (besides, I love that flashy color). Factory non-vinyl top but car is prepped for a vinyl top to be installed. Torque boxes installed. Most all of the hardware, nuts, bolts, suspension, etc. has been cad-plated, phosphate-plated, nickle-plated, powder coated, painted, etc. Front K frame and suspension ready to install. Brand new Dana 60 3.54 Sure-grip (Strange Engineering) ready to install. Wilwood four wheel disc brakes. Interior in progress and includes new carpet, seat covers, foam, etc. New brake/fuel lines, gas tank, etc. installed. Factory undercoat was left in place (too nice to remove) and ready for a final shot of undercoat to overspray the new brakes lines, torque boxes, etc. for factory look.

Loads of excellent condition factory original parts for this car and repro parts as well.

Lots of work already done (original dash pad restored, front suspension assembled, correct 1970 A-833 four speed completely rebuilt, etc.) but still some work yet to do. Original rally gauges not yet restored, glass not installed, Pistol Grip shifter not yet restored, etc. Factory stick shift car so no conversion needed for 4 speed installation.

Engine?? I was planning on installing a crate Hemi in this car but have not purchased one yet. Included in this package is a built-from-scratch with all brand new high quality parts (including block) 493 cubic inch (built on 440 block) 550 HP on engine dyno complete engine. I ran this engine in one of my AAR’s for about 1000 miles before restoring that car back to original. This is a stump-pulling engine that is very fun on the street. Built to run on pump gas and be dependable as well. Close to $15k spent to build this engine alone. I also will include a complete TTI 3” exhaust system (headers all the way to rear pipes) that I used when this engine was in the AAR.

Obviously there is much more detail to discuss, but knowledgeable enthusiasts get the basic concept at this point. I have over $70k invested in what is offered here, not to mention the amount of time and effort I personally spent getting to this point. This wasn’t being built to be sold and I didn‘t penny-pinch on anything.

To avoid clogging up this site with unnecessary congestion, feel free to contact me directly on my home at 707-665-0426 (it’s a listed number in Petaluma directory) or email me directly at [email protected] and I will try to respond as quickly as time allows. For those that don’t know me, you can check out my Ebay feedback (Ebay name: hubleyman) and see that I always strive to be open and honest about all my dealings in life.

PICTURES: If I was computer savvy I would probably have a website or some way to host pictures. For now I’m only able to email some to interested parties…….

PLEASE, serious callers only and no picture collectors! My time has been very limited as of late and as much as I love to chat, I don’t have very much extra time to spare right now.

PRICE: $75,000.00 +/- cash, cash, cash…… feel free to ridicule me or not, but there has to be a price to work with. I’m not willing to give this car away to get another, so it won’t be cheap no matter what…..

Thanks for taking the time to read this!!! Charles Clifton

hubleyman
01-08-2007, 01:02 AM
rear shot

hubleyman
01-08-2007, 01:03 AM
engine compartment

hubleyman
01-08-2007, 01:04 AM
front suspension

hubleyman
01-08-2007, 01:04 AM
dana 60.....

hubleyman
01-08-2007, 01:06 AM
trunk shot

hubleyman
01-08-2007, 01:07 AM
grill area..

hubleyman
01-08-2007, 01:09 AM
outdoor pic / pass side

hubleyman
01-08-2007, 01:23 AM
before disassembly...

hubleyman
01-08-2007, 01:25 AM
493 engine..

hubleyman
01-14-2007, 09:51 PM
I've had a few inquiries as to whether I would sell the engine and car separately? I'm open to discussion on that...

If the buyer was planning on installing a Hemi then he wouldn't have a use for the 493 (unless he had other Mopars to use it in). So the final deal could be negotiated without the engine.

I'm planning on installing a Hemi in this car so I don't really need the engine either... So it could be purchased outright as well. The auto trans currently bolted to the engine in the photo was a freshly rebuilt 727 that I used when this was in my AAR so it has the same mileage on it as the engine (1000+/-). It's included with the engine if so desired. The TTI E-Body headers and complete dual exhaust system could go with this engine too. Guess I'm kind of flexible on the package variations....

Also was asked about the personalized license plate on the Cuda... I'd prefer to keep it and reassign it to another one of my cars, especially if this car was going to leave the state of California. But then again, it's already assigned to this Cuda and has current registration so I might let it go with the car.....

Time frame has been brought up as well. The money portion of the deal would have to be settled right away but it's safe and sound in my garages here at home and wouldn't have to be removed immediately. Plus, I figure most people would want it to be a roller anyway so some minor installation of the rear diff and front suspension could easily be done here at the least. Once again, most things are flexible.

Thanks again for the emails and kind words..... Charles

hubleyman
07-11-2007, 08:56 PM
Well guys, it's time once again to offer a few of my project cars for sale (different reasons this time around).

And this time they are listed for sale on Ebay.

This Cuda auction is number 200127953022 and is currently listed with a $75,000.00 reserve.

The car is basically the same as described above in this forum with more progress since it was last offered (Dana has been installed, gauges restored, etc.).

I am also offering a 1970 Cuda 440-6 for sale as well as the 1966 Corvette roadster I described here before.

Thanks for your time! Charlie

COPO427
07-12-2007, 05:28 PM
I like it and I like the garage with the lift.

agtw31
07-12-2007, 05:48 PM
any time the body and paint work is done,it's worth it.
good luck with the sale.

mockingbird812
07-12-2007, 08:16 PM
H-man,

Here's your 'cuda (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fs earch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3 DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37%26satitle%3D200127953022%26ca tegory0%3D%26fvi%3D1&item=200127953022#ebayphotoho sting) link. Nice ride. I dig the color BIG time! Are you going to tell us about the " long stashed away rare Muscle Cars that I’ve bugged the guy about selling for many years… "?

PPPJJJFFF
07-12-2007, 10:22 PM
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Are you going to tell us about the " long stashed away rare Muscle Cars that I’ve bugged the guy about selling for many years… "?

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I was wondering the same thing. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Patrick

hubleyman
07-12-2007, 11:44 PM
Hi Guys !!
Thanks for the kind words!

I truthfully plan on sharing the "secret" car info with y'all soon but still have to hold back because the car isn't mine (yet). We are still "discussing it" and it's one of those deals that the current owner does not really want to part with it, but plans it being his retirement fund. I'm encouraging him to retire right away.....

But I can toss out a couple of teasers about it (car guys can be so cruel):

It's from the 60's, it's got a Chevy engine, it's a real unmolested "street legal race car" with significant history, it still sports it's original Firestone Bias plys (but they are cracking) and it's been stashed away for a long time.....

Unfortunately, you'll have to be very patient. I've been working on this for many, many years and only now am I getting close to it actually happening. I first fell in love with this car well over 35 years ago.....

Gotta get back to work!!! Charlie

Xplantdad
07-13-2007, 02:33 AM
Sounds really cool... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

hubleyman
07-14-2009, 09:17 AM
Well guys, it’s been a couple of years since I last offered this for sale to you guys here and I feel the need to attempt to raise some money once again… Maybe someone out there actually has some extra cash left they’d wish to part with and would like this cool car in their collection? If you have some time to kill, take a gander at this listing…….

Basically it’s the same car as before (please read the old thread info for most of the pertinent details), but much closer to completion. Although not done yet, it could be purchased any where from as-is status to 100% complete, priced accordingly of course.

Even though I’ve done quite a bit more work to it, and spent lots more money (close to $100K currently invested), I feel inclined to offer it for much less than before (Thank you so much current economy and stock market!)…. What say we shoot for $45K plus or minus, depending on what stage of completion you want the car to leave my house in…

I realize there are many vehicles currently available at some very good prices, but perhaps this one appeals to you more than some of the others you have been checking out. If so, drop me a line or feel free to give me a call on my cell at 707-287-5041. Charlie

Some current car info:

I never acquired that Hemi I was looking for so I decided to install the 550HP 493 Cube Big Block that I already owned (as described in the previous write-up). Even though it had less than 1000 miles on it from when I ran it in my AAR Cuda, I decided to have my machine shop (the one that built the engine) pull the heads and give it a good checkup for the heck of it….. All was perfect of course, exactly as expected. I did repaint it a correct Hemi Orange, rather than the blue that it was originally painted. So even though the car doesn’t have a Hemi in it, it still looks like a HemiCuda and could be upgraded with a Hemi in the future in one was so inclined…

I have most everything needed to complete the car and could have it running and driving fairly quickly. The interior still needs to be installed, along with the vinyl top, glass and some additional exterior trim items. The pictures should show some details as to the current status through today, although I am still tinkering on it now and then when I have the time…

My pics are not the best, but should be good enough for starters. You really have to see the car in person to appreciate the quality of the paint and the “flash factor” !! P.S. that’s my son in some of the pics I’m about to post. He was quite helpful when we did the body drop over the drivetrain….

hubleyman
07-14-2009, 09:17 AM
Dash shot...

hubleyman
07-14-2009, 09:18 AM
Engine compartment...

hubleyman
07-14-2009, 09:18 AM
Drivers side...

hubleyman
07-14-2009, 09:19 AM
Passenger side...

hubleyman
07-14-2009, 09:19 AM
Engine before installation...

hubleyman
07-14-2009, 09:20 AM
Happy Kid.......

hubleyman
07-14-2009, 09:21 AM
looks like he's working hard.... don't be fooled...

AutoInsane
07-20-2009, 01:52 PM
Did you ever buy the stashed away muscle car?? Good luck with the sale...

hubleyman
07-29-2009, 08:10 PM
Hello again fellow enthusiasts,

Nobody has filled my pockets with money yet and I'm still in the position where I could use some (just like most everybody out there)....

Let's say we drop the price to $40K plus or minus for this item, and see if that stirs the pot a little. Any interested parties please touch base with me..... It truly is a beautiful car.

And to answer the question regarding if I purchased the stashed away "muscle car": Sort of a Yes and No. I was able to get a firm commitment from the owners to definitely offer it to me first (known them for 35+ years and their word is rock solid), but their sentimental tie to the car is so strong that they just can't quite let it go yet. They haven't driven it in some 20 years now, and probably never will again, but we all know how they feel. Trust me, you guys will be the absolute first people to hear about this toy when it gets removed from it's current "tomb", whether it ends up in my garage or somebody elses...

Enough jabber for now.... and thanks SYC!

PeteLeathersac
07-29-2009, 08:21 PM
I'm not a buyer but in case you're not aware, the pics aren't working...forbidden is the message I'm getting?.
Could be a site problem as a few pics in other threads that've worked previously seem to be the same today?.

The Hubley name...are you into antique toys too?.
I have hundreds myself but only a few Hubleys?.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
~ Pete

Mr70
07-29-2009, 08:33 PM
True that..

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hubleyman
07-29-2009, 09:08 PM
By golly you are right..... I can't see the pics either. Must be a site problem? I'm getting the forbidden message as well.

Site guys/moderators?? ..... a little help pretty please? (they are probably hot on this issue already, especially if it effects other posts). Let's see how this goes....

You are correct Pete, I do collect Hubleys. Mostly Die Cast kits and plastic items from the 50's and 60's. Managed to scrounge up hundreds over the years... Just for fun, I'll attach a pic of some of my store display models (kits that were actually painted and assembled by the Hubley factory for use in toy store displays). Pretty tough to find these type of items lately...but I'm always looking. Wonder if this pic attachment will work since the other pics aren't acessible????

427.060
07-29-2009, 10:13 PM
The pictures were working when you first posted them.
James

hubleyman
08-08-2009, 02:40 AM
Well, time to bump the ad up and drop the price down (again)......

So far the only interested parties I've had want me to finish this car 100%. I have way too many projects, and work too much to do something like that.

I'm willing to do some additional work but not everything...

With that said, let's make the new price $35K for the car and ALL the related parts I have... AS-IS. No full or partial trades (unless you happen to have a nice spare DZ 302 for my early 69 Z/28). This price is good until next Wednesday when I head to Monterey for the Historic races, Auctions, Car shows, etc. That's less than I have invested in the paint job alone (and remember, this was a one lady owner, never hit basically rust-free California car to start with). FYI: Additional work = additional money (same as before).

Heck, even if you aren't looking for one of these cars, you can finish it and probably flip it for a profit at one of the many popular auctions out there...

Same process as before.. please contact me with your questions and I'll get back to you as quickly as possible.

Thanks for your time! Charlie

hubleyman
08-09-2009, 11:01 PM
Couple of more details for you guys based on items that have been asked of me...

The car was factory equipped with a 6 way adjustable drivers seat assembly, which it still has and is included.

Here's another pic of the gauges as they were being installed in the car. I wish I was a better photographer but I'm not. These are the original "factory installed in this car" Rally gauges that were restored and recalibrated. They were in such good condition prior to resto that they did not need to be refaced, only properly cleaned. This pic does not show how nice they really are, but you get the idea...

And this car is not listed anywhere else for sale... no Ebay, Craigslist, local papers, etc. Just you important folks get to know about it.

Thanks for all the interest and communications, and keep the inquiries coming!

hubleyman
08-12-2009, 05:42 AM
Me again... Lots of interest this time around and many excellent questions, but no money in my pocket yet as of today.

Since I'm heading out of town early tomorrow morning it looks like the window of opportunity for the reduced price I offered is now closed without any takers.

I probably should bump a couple of my Z/28 projects farther down on the priority list and finish this one first instead of offering it for sale.... Wish there were more hours in the day and dollars in the bank to play with !!

Thanks for everything once again and keep up the good work on this site (it's my favorite) ! Charlie

southernfriedcj
08-14-2009, 02:41 AM
I thought it was a STEAL at 45k. 35k was ridiculous. If I wasn't a homebuilder that car would be in my (empty) garage. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

69L34M20
08-17-2009, 05:34 PM
wow....from 75k to 35k!

gb70
08-18-2009, 03:01 AM
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wow....from 75k to 35k!

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My thoughts exactly. Sign of the times...

hubleyman
08-18-2009, 05:14 AM
Sign of the times.... yes, but also priced low due to extenuating circumstances. Not long ago this would have brought some pretty good dollars... Oh well, that's the way the cookie crumbles. FYI, I finally started to tally up my actual expenditures on this project (bear in mind that I did quite a bit of work on it myself as well as paying for services) and I stopped counting when my expenses exceeded $101K. Ouch!

Status update: While out of town I negotiated a deal on this fine ride with a gentleman from Indiana. He's flying in on Saturday to consumate the transaction so it's pretty much sold at this point in time. I'll let y'all know if something changes but I doubt it will.

Once again, thanks for all the calls and emails (got more today, but too late for them) and let's see what the next "Fire Sale" items brings to the table for you guys.... Charlie

hurstgnx
08-23-2012, 04:15 PM
I should have posted this a long time ago. I was the one who flew in from IN and did end up buying the car. WOW - what a great car. Hubleyman was great to deal with and he has first class cars. The Cuda was so much nicer than what I had even hoped for and he represented the car perfectly over the phone.

Charley Lillard
08-23-2012, 04:43 PM
Thanks for the update. That type of info helps.

SS427
08-23-2012, 09:15 PM
Great to hear once in awhile that cars are better than described. There ares still good honest people out there.