EBAY Motion Nova?????

[gab02]

Any one know of this car?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Motion-Performance-Nova-REAL-DEAL_W0QQitemZ280074196277QQihZ018QQcategoryZ6172Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[x Baldwin Motion]

hmmmmm... the stamping on the block looks familiar, hasn't this been here before?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Moti...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Motion-Performance-Nova-REAL-DEAL_W0QQitemZ280074196277QQihZ018QQcategoryZ6172Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Vehicle Description

This auction is for a very rare 1970 nova SS 396/375 motion performance car. I bought this car 6 months ago and the car had been stored apart for about 12 years. I thought what I had aquired was a matching number 396/375 4 spd car. After contacting the third owner I found out car was a motion performance car. He bougth this car in the mid 80's form the second owner who had brought the car from NJ. I have since found out car was indeed from NJ. Car was delivered Dec 1st 1969 to a Atkin;s Chevrolet in Wayne NJ. I have not been able to find the second or first owner. The Chevrolet dealer is no longer Atkins they were bought out 12 years ago as a result from owner's death. As you can see in the pictures the engine is stamped motion performance on back of block. There is also some other 4 digit numbers stamped on both heads and front of block. I found out that these numbers were the 4 last digits of the work order when car was done at Motion. When I aquired this car, I notice that it had alot of high performance parts on it. The car still has the holley 3 barrel intake along with holley 3 barrel carb. Other parts are scatter shield, hurst comp shifter bent for console car. Car has aluinum et rear end cover 2 holes in right side of trunk where electric fuel pump was mounted and lines went through trunk. The third owner said car had traction bars on it when he sold it but I do not have them. I have started a frame off restoration and have all pictures of car. I have aquired alot of parts. I have a set of NOS motion emblems in the original MP package and I have nos et rear end cover, mr gasket fly eye air cleaner, motion valve covers, nos mallery coil (correct time period). The engine has been completely rebuilt and balancd and run on a dyno. I have all parts that came out of engine. I have talked with Joel Rosen and have emailed him photo's of what I have (engine and parts and car) he responded and said it looks like his work. I have not sent him the $2000.00 as of Jan 07 for him to document. He does have copy's of pictures of what I have. I have lost interest in this project and have decided to try it on ebay. This is most definetly the rarest car you will find. How many of these cars are for sale. I am going to offer it for one time only if it does not sell I will finish it. I have all interior and sheet metal to put it back togther. Pictures show car on rotisory. Car was stripped down to metal and primed. Call me if you need to know what all I have. 912-337-2647 and ask for Robby Buyer agrees to pay a $1000.00 deposit and balance with in 10 days. Buyer also agrees to arrang pick up and shipping of car. I welcome bidders to come and inspect car before bidding.

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[COPO]

[ QUOTE ]
I have not sent him the $2000.00 as of Jan 07 for him to document.

[/ QUOTE ]

'nuff said

Wasn't this the same seller that had the bogus 68 Yenko Camaro project a few years ago that had a fake Yenko tag?

[motion396nova]

Hi, I am new to your site. I have the motion nova listed on ebay and yes I listed a 68 yenko a couple of years ago on ebay for a friend on mine in my home town. It was not a fake car he just sold it in Dec to a yenko builder in Chicgo. I canceled the auction because he changed his mind about selling it at the time. In fact the buyer who bought it was one of the bidders from back then who kept after him to sell untill he did. Now to next question. This is the same car that you had on your forum several months ago about the stampings on engine. I listed car to see if I might generate some information about original owner. I would sell it for right price. If anybody has any info on car I would really appreciate it. Motion396nova

[AutoInsane]

Welcome to the site Motion396. Hopefully you can get a bit of expert info here!

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I thought this was 'lowmile's car? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[motion396nova]

It was, I bought this car about six months ago from him.

[motion396nova]

Also when I bought it from him, the engine and bell housing were still attached. The guys at the engine shop when rebuildinging engine found the motion perf. stamp on back of motor. How sweet was that!!

[Xplantdad]

In lowmiles previous post...actually in his first post about this Nova...it shows the motion engine stamp...see HERE! (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/229451/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1)

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I'm pretty sure lowmile knew the motion connection due to the pics he posted.

Why didn't lowmile or you get the 'joel letter'?

[lowmile]

Ok here is as brief of history as I can come up with.
I heard of a BB 375/hp 4sp project car, in Columbus Ga., about 3 years ago and went to take a look. It was a matching # project Engine and trans TOGETHER (Important part) in the car. He had bought the car just like that in the early 90's and it sat in that condition. I passed on the car. Fast forward to about August 2005. BB Novas are going up and I call to check up on said car. It's still there. I buy and bring home. The FIRST time the car was mentioned here was here http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/190008/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1 I listed the car for sale here as a BB project I wanted to start the engine before I pulled it apart, so I did. It started an ran for a second and then I shut it off and tried to restart. It was locked up. I finally figured something was on top of the no.5 piston. Pulled out motor and trans TOGETHER (Important part again). Pulled the head and found 1/4 inch nut on piston barely even nicked anything. I did some research and traced the car through titles to Virginia. I never was able to reach any of the previous owners. Motion396nova had asked about he car several times. I decided to sell to him but before he picked up the car I contacted the the guy that had the car in the very early nineties. His wife answered the phone and remembered the car. She said did you know that the car is a Baldwin Motion Nova...... So she puts hubby on the phone and he tells me the guy from New Jersey he purchased the car from said it was a Baldwin Motion Nova. He also said is had a set of weird traction bars on it when he sold it. So I think nice story. But the car does have an ET rear cover 3 barrel intake and that 3350 stamped on the block and heads. I sell the car to Motion396nova and and give him all my info on the car. I stick the head back on the engine and then set the ENGINE and TRANS back in the the car (Important part again engine and trans still together). He take car apart and sends to machine shop and when the engine builder gets through he calls M396nova and says "Looky what I just found on the back of the block" MOTION PER. STAMPED IN THE BELL HOUSING FLANGE. He sent me the pics of the stamp and I posted the here. The car did not belong to me when the pic of the motion stamp was posted on this site. I was the owner when the question about the 3350 stamp on the heads and block was posted on this site, and no one had any info. motion396 nova talked to Joel and he told me Joel said it looked like his work and has continued to research the car That's all I know. Mark

[PeteLeathersac]

Wouldn't you think the documents from Joel would make a drastic difference in the value of the car sold as is...and considering all info gathered so far would be money well spent before selling it? .
On the other hand and depending on what the reserve is also if the auction would continue fairly to it's conclusion, it could be a good one for a flipper if bought right and Joel's docs did come back positive? .

Is there similar rear engine stampings and front pad Work Order/Tracking type #'s on other known documented Motion cars? .

I know it wasn't intentional but nicely done how the car and eBay seller have both landed here without having the reserve needing to be disclosed? .

Who's got more info on the '68 Yenko mentioned? .

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
~ Pete

[Xplantdad]

Thanks for the clarification Mark

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Thanks Mark, do you wish you had it back? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[lowmile]

YES. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif But just think, all of you guys had a shot at it when I listed it for sale here as JUST a 375/396. All of you blew it too..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I agree!! I eyed it up, but have enough on my hands as it is...

I think the current owner should get the rosen letter, especially since it's not a Baldwin car. The engine stampings are good, and indicates a later conversion, but it's best to get any paperwork you can from Joel - just pay him whatever he asks!

[COPO]

[ QUOTE ]
The engine stampings are good, and indicates a later conversion

[/ QUOTE ]

Marlin what makes you say this? If the stampings were on a vintage 427 or 454 yea maybe, but on the original 396 block? The heavily documented '71 BM Camaro that I owned that retained its Motion built LS-6 did not have these stampings on the block or heads. Does Joe G's 396 BM Chevelle have these engine stampings?

Secondly, it's just illogical that the car is advertised on Ebay as a likely Motion modified car and the Seller won't pay J.R. $2K to potentially reap an extra $100k+ in value after documentation. Doesn't make sense. Perhaps someone will take a chance and it will pay off. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

I recall several people on this board were looking at the 68 Yenko when it was for sale a few years ago and there were apparently some issues. If it now turns out to be real, that's great. I'd like to hear more about it.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I think I recall the dates of the engine were much later the car.... maybe not...

[Joe]

Oh man i love this stuff !!

[JoeG]

No Motion stampings on my Chevelle's original 396 drivetrain.......

[sYc]

What gets me, everyone who thinks they have a Motion car calls Joel, according to them he says "maybe", or "looks like what we did", etc, which IMO would warrant paying the fee, but most never follow up. We all know a letter from Joel greatly increses the value of his cars, so it really makes one wonder what is not being told.

[motion396nova]

Just wanted to update everone that I have taken your advice and have ended the ebay auction. I am sending MR Rosen a check out Monday Morning for the 2K fee and we will see what the results are. Thanks for all your imput!!

[JoeG]

Good Move....Your engine could have had internal work......

[scott s]

wow http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif i couldn,t even get a response from motion about documenting my chevelle http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[JoeG]

Did you ever follow up........??

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]
I think I recall the dates of the engine were much later the car.... maybe not...

[/ QUOTE ]

engine pad stamp indicates correct "numbers matching" block

"Car was delivered Dec 1st 1969 to a Atkin;s Chevrolet in Wayne NJ."

Not a "Baldwin" car. Hopefully Joel will come through with the mods his shop did. Didnt most "BaldwinMotion" cars have their original motors replaced with something larger? A "shop" car could have any mods made to its original motor.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Looking forward to $2000.00 worth of info.

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]
wow http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif i couldn,t even get a response from motion about documenting my chevelle http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

have you still got the car?

[scott s]

yup!!

[Mr70]

I have dealt with Joel Rosen a few times,and found him very professional and easy to talk with.
I know..I know,..I was prepared for the worst from what a few have said about him on various websites in the past,but he answered my email in a timely fashion..{He does have another business to run}
His wife and he recommended I call them at their 1-800 number,via his model building business to follow up on my inquiry.
I like him and how I was treated. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[AutoInsane]

OK... very curious to see how this ends up!! Winning lottery ticket or not??? I hope it is the real deal!!!

[69LM1]

Yep. Good luck with the Joel thing.
I have a X66 car like this. Joel paid $$$$, not a Motion car, but a Baldwin bought car. No paperwork and will not return calls. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif (and yes, I offered to pay more for the paperwork).

Big difference between Rosen and MacNeish, heck Jerry even left his cell phone number on my voice mail so that I could catch him! That's how you run a business in my book.

[JoeG]

[ QUOTE ]
...... not a Motion car, but a Baldwin bought car. No paperwork and will not return calls. ..... .


[/ QUOTE ]
I sure there were many Baldwin bought cars back then----But if there was no go or show work done by Motion, I would think Joel wouldn't have paperwork on the car--In any event as Rick pointed out you can always reach someone at the 1-800 models number--Sometimes Joel answers or e-mail them....
----------Joel was even busy back went, but when you got his ear on a tech problem, he'd go out of his way to help you out...I still find this to be true even today with his new hectic schedule............

[BARN FIND]

[ QUOTE ]
In lowmiles previous post...actually in his first post about this Nova...it shows the motion engine stamp...see HERE! (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/229451/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1)

[/ QUOTE ]

I may be missing something here but...this is supposed to be a 4sp car and that picture shows a auto trans flexplate.

[x Baldwin Motion]

Ray, you are correct about that !!

That may be the catch of the day?

How is that explained if this was the first time engine and trans were seperated? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

answers? lowmile?

[JoeG]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
In lowmiles previous post...actually in his first post about this Nova...it shows the motion engine stamp...see HERE! (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/229451/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1)

[/ QUOTE ]

I may be missing something here but...this is supposed to be a 4sp car and that picture shows a auto trans flexplate.

[/ QUOTE ]

Talk about right in front of your face...Glad someone is awake......as for me ZZZZZZzzzzzzzz... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[lowmile]

"That may be the catch of the day?"

Don't put your fishing poles up just yet. The stamp was found at the machine shop AFTER the engine was assembled, ready to put on a "break-in" stand..... m

[PeteLeathersac]

'...Glad someone is awake...'

Pass the coffee...nice observation Barney! .
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif
~ Pete

[BARN FIND]

Okay I'll bite, the EBAY add has the back of the block painted, but the picture with the flexplate is not, which one is the before rebuild picture?

[motion396nova]

Just wanted to clear up matter of flex plate picture. The one lowmile attach was the one I emailed the day I found out it was stamped at the engine rebuilders shop. I was excited and could not wait to send lowmile a pictue. The ebay ad was when I brought engine home and took some pictures in my shop on engine stand. When I took engine to machine shop I left all the original flyweel and bell housing at my shopso it would be safe.

[lowmile]

Wayne NJ is only about 50 miles from Baldwin New York. That put the car in a prime area to be worked on at the Motion shop. Also I wonder if dealers transfered cars much in those days? If Baldwin needed a car to sell, that's pretty close. Would the NICB report show a dealer transfer or just show the original dealer? It will be interesting to see Joels info. m

[COPO]

NICB documents would not show a dealer transfer, only dealer that the factory shipped the car to.

[motion396nova]

Just wanted to update everybody that I sent the 2K fee to Mr Rosen Yesterday along with info on car. We will see what the out come turns out to be!!

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Good luck, keep your fingers X'd!

[x Baldwin Motion]

I'm hoping this is the real deal too. If so, everyone will be cracking open their bellhousings this winter !!
Good Luck

[PeteLeathersac]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm hoping this is the real deal too. If so, everyone will be cracking open their bellhousings this winter !!
Good Luck

[/ QUOTE ]

Then onto more foolishness w/ the home stamping kits? .
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
~ Pete

[x Baldwin Motion]

Pete, I'm sure you've seen the recent thread about a restamped 66 elCamino elsewhere on this site. I hope I didnt mince words and was clear about where I stood.

That crap makes me crazy!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif It is FRAUD, plain and simple, nothing else.

[SuperNovaSS]

Any updates on the paperwork status?


Jason

[AutoInsane]

Well????

[P.J.]

Gents
Do you really think that Joel would remember all the alterd
cars he worked on?? Its my opinion that if you have the original bill of sale for the work done you will get a letter.Or if Joel built the car yes he would remember and you would get a letter.
I have a signed witness statement from the original owner
of my 68 Camaro that Joel alterd the 396 camaro and installed a 427 short block in the car.I also have the second owner who told me it was a motion altered car and
a third person from Windsor area who told me the same thing. The first owner
holds a track record ( gave me a copy of the award)at the Detroit drag strip in 1969
went 10;45 in the quarter. Also have a news papper article
confirming a top bracket racing winner (king of the hill)
however I dont expect Joel to take a leap of faith and say that my car was a Motion alterd car,or Joels reputation would be just like the recent BJ fiasco.
The original owner gave me the original bill of sale for my car great person helped me restore my car by giving me lots of info and many stories of his legendary drag strip and street bruiser.
He also told me that somewhere in his house is the original bill of sale for the work that Joel did on the car.I pray every day that he finds it.
If he finds it I will be contacting Joel.
thats the way I see it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
Peter

[PeteLeathersac]

Reading Peter's comments above brings back a question I've asked before...when Joel 'documents' a car, does he have Vins recorded he looks up or is he just going by what 'looks like' his work...or what?.

Just wouldn't want to see things end up like the C-C situation where after that last round of foolishness, it seems like all the genuine facts are now left in a drawer somewhere...or is there any updates to what's happening there now?.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
~ Pete

[Charley Lillard]

My understanding is Joel does have some records, but not all of them. P.J. ...If I had what you have I would pay Joel and present my case to him.

[Stefano]

Documenting any car without at a minimum of visual inspection is like Muscle car Russian Roulette. Cars can rise like a Phoenix where nothing existed prior, not even a vin or trim tag.

Just my rant, don't mind me.

[motion396nova]

Just wanted to update everybody about my car. I contacted the third owner again and they found a picture of car back from 1983 when second owner had car. You can see in the picture the car has traction bars and headers. It has a sticker in the rear qrt glass and I wanted to know if anybody know what it is? By the way the picture is dated Mar 1983.

[SuperNovaSS]

What about contacting Joel?

[motion396nova]

I have been contacted by Joel and paper work is on the way. Turns out car is shop built car.

[motion396nova]

Let me try again on pictures!

[AutoInsane]

"Shop built" as in built at Motion or at another shop using Motion aftermarket parts?

[motion396nova]

Shop built by Motion!! I have not received the paperwork yet. As soon as I do I will let you know how it reads!

[Serbigblock]

I was talking to Joel the other day and he mentioned about your Motion performance Nova car. Congratulation on your very rare find. Good Luck.http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

Hey wow...really great the result is coming back positive and looking forward to seeing how things read from Joel!.

So what next...is it going back up for sale w/ the Joel docs or are you going to get into it yourself?.

~ Pete
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[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]
Let me try again on pictures!

[/ QUOTE ]

Robby, email me your pics and I will post them for you. Good Luck. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[motion396nova]

Hi Cris, did you get the pictures?

[x Baldwin Motion]

No pictures. Where did you send them?
try here; [email protected] http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[motion396nova]

Just wanted to updated everone. I received the letter today from Joel Rosen. I have tried to attach acopy but attempts seem to fail. Anyway this is how the letter reads. Dear Mr. Metelits
In regard to your 1970 Chevrolet Nova serial #114xxxx. As we have discussed in our many telephone conversations a search of our records and your statement that the car was sold new by a dealer other than Baldwin Chevrolet has eliminated the possibilty that the car was sold new by the baldwin Motion Performance Group. However with the pictures and numbers you have provided me with, I believe (as we discussed) the car was brought to us (Motion Performance Inc) at some period in it's life for modifications similar to those we did on Baldwin Motion cars.
Good luck with your musclecar. signed; Joel Rosen President of Motion Performance.
Also letter is on old Motion Performance Inc letter head address 598 sunrise Highway, Baldwin L. I. N. Y.

[x Baldwin Motion]

here is the text that should go with this photo;

"Just wanted to update everybody about my car. I contacted the third owner again and they found a picture of car back from 1983 when second owner had car. You can see in the picture the car has traction bars and headers. It has a sticker in the rear qrt glass and I wanted to know if anybody know what it is? By the way the picture is dated Mar 1983. "

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q101/65z13/NovaRM.jpg

[shor]

looks like a raceway park sticker
i am wearing that shirt right now

[shor]

picture http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
the window stickers have just the car with parachute, red white and blue, and the bumper stickers have the whole long thing like on the shirt.
was that a nj car? if it raced a etown, there has to be pictures i bet in the archives.
cool car

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/258021-rp.jpg

[x Baldwin Motion]

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q101/65z13/racewaypark.jpg

or even better, this "class winner" decal. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]
Just wanted to updated everone. I received the letter today from Joel Rosen. I have tried to attach acopy but attempts seem to fail. Anyway this is how the letter reads. Dear Mr. Metelits
In regard to your 1970 Chevrolet Nova serial #114xxxx. As we have discussed in our many telephone conversations a search of our records and your statement that the car was sold new by a dealer other than Baldwin Chevrolet has eliminated the possibilty that the car was sold new by the baldwin Motion Performance Group. However with the pictures and numbers you have provided me with, I believe (as we discussed) the car was brought to us (Motion Performance Inc) at some period in it's life for modifications similar to those we did on Baldwin Motion cars.
Good luck with your musclecar. signed; Joel Rosen President of Motion Performance.
Also letter is on old Motion Performance Inc letter head address 598 sunrise Highway, Baldwin L. I. N. Y.

[/ QUOTE ]

Robbie I would suggest NOT posting the letter from Joel as scammers may attempt to copy it for no good. Joel wont be around forever and we dont want to see dozens of "authenticated" cars in the future.
JMHO.

[55chevy]

Cool Nova.. But I'll bet it didn't run lika Motion should thru that kinked 2" exhaust pipe off that glass pack. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif Got any more pics? Love the vintage ones. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[JoeG]

That kink or upward bend was probably due to the fact glasspack mufflers that bolt up right to the collector were used---being so close to the collector it just followed the downward angle so they bent or welded the pipe on an angle------Most of the guys cut the collector flange off the muffler and installed the muffler back further .................Very http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif photo and car....

[55chevy]

It's still 2 inch pipe.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif choke choke choke.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Didn't come from Motion like that I'm sure.

[JoeG]

OK-http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif---Just reminiscing Ed about the raised Brooklyn manhole covers that would eat your exhaust system if it hung to low............

[55chevy]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[AutoInsane]

[quoteRobbie I would suggest NOT posting the letter from Joel as scammers may attempt to copy it for no good. Joel wont be around forever and we dont want to see dozens of "authenticated" cars in the future.
JMHO.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'll take it one more level. I would delete the posts that have the verbiage Joel uses when he "authenticates" cars. I agree that there will be guys copying this and making themselves some "letters from Mr. Rosen".

Amazing that is how he authenticates a car. No "yes we did work on that VIN number" or "I have a copy of the original paperwork".

I guess 2 grand doesn't get you too much!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I hate to be the sceptic, but it appears that you have a motion block - but not necessarily a Motion car. The pic that was posted does not look like work performed by Motion, ie; traction bars with a few inches of air between the snubber and leaf, a non-motion sticker on the window etc.. For what it's worth, my first nova looked just like the one in that pic, bars, stickers, low hanging exhaust etc... but it certainly wasn't a Motion! Joel worded his letter quite well, but only says that it was brought to the shop for mods similar to what they did at the shop! I think you need to do more digging to conclude that the car is/was a later converted Motion.

[lowmile]

The block is matching numbers to the car and the block is a Motion block, wouldn't that make the car a Motion car? I agree more research would only help but I don't understand your last reply.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Sorry, thought the block was a CE block -my bad.

[lowmile]

The picture is from 1983. The exhaust looks new to me. This picture may have been taken 10 or more years after it left Joel's shop. I messed around with the gap on my traction bars looking for that perfect hook on the street. I doubt the owner left this car untouched after years of street and track time. m

[motion396nova]

Car is for sale if anybody makes fair offer?? I have car ready to be painted and put back together. I might consider trade on finished car.

[Motion Camaro]

[ QUOTE ]
Car is for sale if anybody makes fair offer?? I have car ready to be painted and put back together. I might consider trade on finished car.

[/ QUOTE ]

<font color="blue">New pics? </font>

[iluv69s]

hey, im interested in the car...can you email me at [email protected]


thanks, max

[motion396nova]

I will try to post new pictures this week. The car is on retisory with all body work finished and botton primed sealed and painted. The front sub frame has been powder coated along with all new parts.

[motion396nova]

Just wanted to ad that I have this car listed in the cars for sale. I just added several current pictures of car and what has been currently done. Thanks Robby

[motion396nova]

Just wanted to update everybody that car is on its way to being brought back together. Here is currant pictures of car being painted.

[motion396nova]

One more?

[motion396nova]

I will post more as soon as block sanding, and buffing is finished!!

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I hope you plan on painting the top of the cowl black! It's a Nova, not a Camaro http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[motion396nova]

I thought the cowl was painted the same color as car? I have a 68 parts car with original paint and it is painted the car color.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Nope.

[P.J.]

If a person took his car to motion as the original owner of my 68 396 375 hp factory ordered Camaro did, you would think that the modification would be to a 427 425 hp CE block. Why would a person bring his 396 375 hp factory ordered car to Motion and come out with the same 396 375 hp matching numbers original block.Would it not of been better
to install a 427 425 enjine???????
PJ
PJ

[70CitrusZ]

The 2" exhaust was common performance mod in those days. People weren't into the large pipes at all. The first performance exhaust put on ZL1 #1 for drag testing was 2" glasspack system with tailpipes and all.

[Tim Penton]

P.J., Some people wanted to keep their factory warranties. Ask Joe Guerra (Joe G on this site). He ordered his 1969 Chevelle as a Phase III car with the factory original L78 396.

[P.J.]

Tim
how the heck could you pull that off with GM reps at the drag strips cacelleing warrenties every weekend.
PJ

[COPO]

I bet the answer is probably lack of $'s. A super tune and a few speed parts added to the original engine was a whole lot cheaper than a full engine swap. It makes even more sense if the car was local to the area at the time of the mods.

[Tim Penton]

P.J., My Dad raced (street and track) with the salesman and mechanics from the local Chevrolet Dealership (Community Chevrolet now Ross Downing Chevrolet) where he bought his 1968 SS 396 Chevelle L78, tripoli turquoise with black vinyl top at. My Dad raced this car and drove it every day. However, I know for a fact that GM reps do stop in at Ross Downing and record the vins of any Vettes that are in the service dept. with any warranty voiding modifications. I guess that the GM reps that liked cancelling warranties could not be every where all of the time. Also, it is my understanding that Baldwin Chevrolet honored the warranties on the Phase III L78 cars. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[motion396nova]

Here are some current pictures of car buffed. I still would consider selling car.

[motion396nova]

another picture

[motion396nova]

right side

[motion396nova]

here is the top

[motion396nova]

Next week installing headiner. Will update when more is completed.

[Tim Penton]

Nice color. What is it? Looks alot like a '67 color.

[motion396nova]

Color is 1970 Fathom Blue original color. I am very please with the way it turned out. Car is very straight and paint looks like it is a mirror finish.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

What's the build date?

[lowmile]

Here is a trim tag pic. m

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I saw the bolt on hinges and figured it had to be before Jan. of '70, and with a Nov. build date it fits the equation. Was hoping it'd be in Jan, then we could try to narrow it down to the week!

Thanks for the pic.

[motion396nova]

Just wanted to update everybody that I sold my car. However I did not sell my NOS set of authentic Motion Emblems in the pack! I also have a set of dupree nos fuel pumps with fuel log for sale. here is picture of emblems.

[1970MotionNova]

I am the new owner of this car. The car is being finished and will be available soon for sale. I have done more research on this car and have found out that the car originally had a Stinger Hood on it as well as Corvette Side exhausts. The paint on the car was solid Fathom Blue, which is correct now and it is a complete numbers matching car. Just wanted everyone to know what is going on with the car, and I will update everyone when the car is complete.

Thanks, Jeff

[NovaMob03]

Welcom to the site Jeff. You &amp; I spoke briefly the day you bought the Nova, when I was at Chip's place.
How did you find that info? Were you able to trace the owner history back to day 1?

[x Baldwin Motion]

welcome and good luck. please keep us posted of your progress !! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[1970MotionNova]

The car is finished and you can see the process and the finished product on the link below. I have a gentleman interested in the car already and I am giving him first shot at it before I actually start advertising it for sale.
http://s226.photobucket.com/albums/dd217/supachargedviper/

[1970MotionNova]

The car is finished and I am providing a link below for you ta take a look at the car. I have a gentleman interested in the car and he has first shot at it before I start advertising it for sale. The car has the stinger corvette hood as well as he metal hood with it. It has corvette side exhaust and is a numbers matching 396SS 4 speed Motion Nova. Just thought I would update being lots of people know the car from this site. Here is a link to the pics.
http://s226.photobucket.com/albums/dd217/supachargedviper/

[JRSully]

Those rear tires won't last an hour.!

[Salvatore]

Man, you are selling this car pretty fast! Don't you want to keep it for even a little bit. Its a piece of history. A great looking car! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd217/supachargedviper/1970MotionNovaFinished014.jpg

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gifvery nice. a great job, thanks for sharing.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

good luck with the sale or melting the tires! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd217/supachargedviper/1970MotionNovaFinished036.jpg

[COPO]

Car look great. Curious what route you took connecting the headers to the side pipes. Any pics of the connection?

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]
Car look great. Curious what route you took connecting the headers to the side pipes. Any pics of the connection?

[/ QUOTE ]

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd217/supachargedviper/1970MotionNovaFinished020.jpg


how's that view?

[COPO]

Thanks, Chris, that helps. Any up on the lift?

[x Baldwin Motion]

none posted on his photobucket album.
this car sure looks a lot better on a larger flat LCD screen!!
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd217/supachargedviper/1970MotionNovaFinished038.jpg

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]
Those rear tires won't last an hour.!

[/ QUOTE ]


http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd217/supachargedviper/1970MotionNovaFinished007.jpg

[1970MotionNova]

No, I haven't even driven the car on the road. The guy who lined the car drove it down the street 1 block and back and said, WOW!! I loaded it up on the roll back and unloaded it right into the shop. It would be my luck that if I drove it down the road a rock would chip the paint or hit the windshield..........

[JoeG]

[ QUOTE ]
P.J., Some people wanted to keep their factory warranties.

Your right Tim---A "PhaseIII package" on the 396/375 and even on the "Z28" offered in '69 by Baldwin Motion with full 5/50 factory warranty on a modified street/strip machine was a win/win situation.........And PJ there were a few places other than the track where one could blow out engine carbon without worrying about sales reps.......

[1970MotionNova]

Just wanted everyone to know that the car will be listed on Ebay this Saturday and will run on a 1 week auction. It is one of the finest Nova I hav ever had the pleasure of owning. Someone is going to get one hell of a nice car. Thanks for looking guys.

Jeff H.

[1970MotionNova]

Ebay Auction Number is below:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...E:IT&amp;ih=009 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;rd=1&amp;item=190223134100&amp;ssPa geName=STRK:MESE:IT&amp;ih=009)

[1970MotionNova]

I lowered the Reserve on the car and it has been met at $111,100. I have tons of people watching this auction and the car will go to the high bidder. Someone is going to get one heck of a deal, and I am really stupid for this but I trust people will bid to win. If it doesn't then I guess......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/JeffSucksToo.gif .......

Thanks, Jeff H.