Baldwin Motion Book

[55chevy]

I'm dying for this book to come out.. is there any new info on it? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[427TJ]

It's got to be getting close to being published. With Mr. Schorr writing and Mr. Rosen no doubt contributing, it will be well-worth the wait.

Stinger hoods rule! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[dreemz]

It will be worth the wait but it won't happen any time soon. Marty needs more cooperation from owners of Baldwin Motion cars to come forward with pics and history http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[Fhakya]

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It will be worth the wait but it won't happen any time soon. Marty needs more cooperation from owners of Baldwin Motion cars to come forward with pics and history http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

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What!? That doesn't make any sense to me considering the 40 years of history between Marty and Joel. Please embellish.

[Born30YrsLate]

I would think Joel has to have some FANTASTIC vintage photos from "the days"....that's what I want to see!

[427TJ]

Doesn't sound like a problem between Schorr and Rosen, it sounds like current B-M owners aren't coming forward and offereing their cars up for depiction in the book?

As for vintage pics, Mr. Schorr was the editor of Cars Magazine (and others?) back then and if he still has the photo files from those days the book will probably be a treasure-trove of old pics.

[JoeG]

Might be too many pokers in the fire right now...IMO priorities had to be shifted to concentrate on the current Motion car project and deadlines...I'm waiting on the book also.. In the meantime,Joel's Hemmings articles will kinda pave the way for the Motion book debut .......I hope soon...

[MosportGreen66]

I attempted to submit my Motion Performance pictures for use in the book but because of potential copyright infringements, they cannot be printed in the book; even if we delegate credit to the original photographers. Its a shame because I have quite a few priceless pictures.

[x Baldwin Motion]

Dan, any pics you would like to post here? thanks.

[dreemz]

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It will be worth the wait but it won't happen any time soon. Marty needs more cooperation from owners of Baldwin Motion cars to come forward with pics and history http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

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What!? That doesn't make any sense to me considering the 40 years of history between Marty and Joel. Please embellish.

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It has absolutely nothing to do with the relationship between Joel Rosen and Marty Schorr. In order for the book to have significant interest original photos from either the present or past true Baldwin Motion cars are necessary. These cars were rare enough in the day as they were all custom ordered and rarely if ever sat on the showroom floor. As such pics are essential and hard to come by. The individuals who ordered the cars included the very wealthy and flamboyant; actual royalty in more than one case. Joel has the actual files on these cars but no pics. Marty feels that even with this great history more photo documentation is essential. Another item to keep in mind is that when Joel documents a car for you it is a very tedious process including reviewing many files, with some of the cars having only carbon copies of the original invoices remaining.

[55chevy]

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I attempted to submit my Motion Performance pictures for use in the book but because of potential copyright infringements, they cannot be printed in the book; even if we delegate credit to the original photographers. Its a shame because I have quite a few priceless pictures.

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Post 'em here Dan.. screw the infringements... start a new thread. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

I think you are correct Ed. We can post them here because we are not selling them, as the case would be if published in a book.

I am not a lawyer, but I do watch them on TV.

[ed427vette]

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It has absolutely nothing to do with the relationship between Joel Rosen and Marty Schorr. In order for the book to have significant interest original photos from either the present or past true Baldwin Motion cars are necessary. These cars were rare enough in the day as they were all custom ordered and rarely if ever sat on the showroom floor. As such pics are essential and hard to come by. The individuals who ordered the cars included the very wealthy and flamboyant; actual royalty in more than one case. Joel has the actual files on these cars but no pics. Marty feels that even with this great history more photo documentation is essential. Another item to keep in mind is that when Joel documents a car for you it is a very tedious process including reviewing many files, with some of the cars having only carbon copies of the original invoices remaining.

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Joel has quite a few photographs. The reason I know this is because he gave me and my friend a bunch of pics. And he had many copies of those pictures made. I am sure I didn't get a copy of every pic he had but I have at least 20 or so pictures from him. We used to go visit him in his shop years ago when he was still on Long Island which was located about 10 minutes from my home before he moved th FL. My friend still does some work for him here on LI.

Marty had emailed me sometime ago about getting some of the pictures but I haven't heard from him in a long time. I wonder if Joel misplaced his when he moved. Either way I would be happy to get him copies.

As everyone here knows Marty took many pictures for the HiPo Cars magazine and even if he doesn't have trhe actual slides he could get the old mags (I have just about all of them) and make high quality scans.

I remember hearing about this book for at least 10 years from Joel so its probably just a matter of these guys not getting there act together on it. Putting a book together has got to be a large undertaking and these guys are busy with so many different things. And with a book the rewards are not instant so I'm sure they keep putting it off for more immediate gratification. I do hope they complete it. I would love to see a book on these great cars.

Anyway, here is a cool pic of a Gold Manta Ray Joel gave me. I beleive he took the pic himself. Its a typical small snap shot that I had color copied and THEN scanned. If I recall Joel said he made 3 Mantas. The red one is pretty well know. And I have a pic of what I guess is the 3rd car which is orange. Another snap shot sized pic. I tried to have that photo blown up but it loses detail. The pics are small and this was scanned a long time ago from a color copy I made, like I said, so its not the best quality. I have some pretty interesting pics.

http://www.islandcollectibles.net/motioncars/bmgold1.jpg

[COPO]

"I have some pretty interesting pics."

Post em! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[GM-26]

Great picture of the Manta Ray. It looks like it was taken on the grass between westbound Sunrise Highway and the Long Island Railroad tracks. Probably, opposite Motion Performance. Feel free to post more! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Tarrytown SS427s]

Yeah thats where it's taken, they always photographed the cars on that grassy area, and in many magazine photos you can see the tracks in the background. Hopefully there will be more to come http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
Steve

[JoeG]

Great Vintage Motion photo.............keep'em comin...

[PeteLeathersac]

Very cool pic...looks like it's built on a '73..

More-more!!!

~ Pete
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[55chevy]

Post 'em all http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[owners2]

Keep them coming! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

yes great shot, near the staging area for friday night show downs. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif
post more !!!

[Xplantdad]

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yes great shot, near the staging area for friday night show downs. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif
post more !!!

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Please...don't post anymore http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

Just kidding...I was trying the reverse psychology thing...did it work? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ed427vette]

Here is a nose shot of the same Gold Manta. Unfortunately I have to rescan most of my pics as per losing them in a horrible computer crash before I was able to uplaod them to my permanent website. Its a crappy pic. Too small. I'm sure it was taken on Sunrise Hwy by either Joel or Marty. I hope I don't get an angry email from Marty. Its happened before when I had posted some on my webpage as these pics are not really mine as they were given to me but not taken by me.
http://www.islandcollectibles.net/motioncars/bmgold5.jpg

[dreemz]

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It has absolutely nothing to do with the relationship between Joel Rosen and Marty Schorr. In order for the book to have significant interest original photos from either the present or past true Baldwin Motion cars are necessary. These cars were rare enough in the day as they were all custom ordered and rarely if ever sat on the showroom floor. As such pics are essential and hard to come by. The individuals who ordered the cars included the very wealthy and flamboyant; actual royalty in more than one case. Joel has the actual files on these cars but no pics. Marty feels that even with this great history more photo documentation is essential. Another item to keep in mind is that when Joel documents a car for you it is a very tedious process including reviewing many files, with some of the cars having only carbon copies of the original invoices remaining.

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Joel has quite a few photographs. The reason I know this is because he gave me and my friend a bunch of pics. And he had many copies of those pictures made. I am sure I didn't get a copy of every pic he had but I have at least 20 or so pictures from him. We used to go visit him in his shop years ago when he was still on Long Island which was located about 10 minutes from my home before he moved th FL. My friend still does some work for him here on LI.

Marty had emailed me sometime ago about getting some of the pictures but I haven't heard from him in a long time. I wonder if Joel misplaced his when he moved. Either way I would be happy to get him copies.

As everyone here knows Marty took many pictures for the HiPo Cars magazine and even if he doesn't have trhe actual slides he could get the old mags (I have just about all of them) and make high quality scans.

I remember hearing about this book for at least 10 years from Joel so its probably just a matter of these guys not getting there act together on it. Putting a book together has got to be a large undertaking and these guys are busy with so many different things. And with a book the rewards are not instant so I'm sure they keep putting it off for more immediate gratification. I do hope they complete it. I would love to see a book on these great cars.

Anyway, here is a cool pic of a Gold Manta Ray Joel gave me. I beleive he took the pic himself. Its a typical small snap shot that I had color copied and THEN scanned. If I recall Joel said he made 3 Mantas. The red one is pretty well know. And I have a pic of what I guess is the 3rd car which is orange. Another snap shot sized pic. I tried to have that photo blown up but it loses detail. The pics are small and this was scanned a long time ago from a color copy I made, like I said, so its not the best quality. I have some pretty interesting pics.

http://www.islandcollectibles.net/motioncars/bmgold1.jpg

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ed427vette-
Marty does not recall a correspondence with you but would be very interested in any pics of original Baldwin Motion street cars or early pics of Joel racing. It would be greatly appreciated if you contacted him-

[ed427vette]

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ed427vette-
Marty does not recall a correspondence with you but would be very interested in any pics of original Baldwin Motion street cars or early pics of Joel racing. It would be greatly appreciated if you contacted him-

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I am sure he talks with many people about these cars. He had emailed me initially because I had pics of BM cars on my website but did not credit him. This was maybe 2-3 years ago? Not really sure. I didn't know they were his pics. Let me know how to contact him and I'll take it from there. Or he can email me at [email protected] or through my webpage at www.islandcollectibles.net (http://www.islandcollectibles.net)

Ed

[dreemz]

ed427-
I PM'd you the contact info-

[ed427vette]

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ed427-
I PM'd you the contact info-

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Thanks, I just found his old AOL address but I guess its no good anyway.