new guy asking for help

[Jay in dallas]

I have recently aquired a nice 69 copo clone Camaro to add to my collection. I have since started to wonder if maybe I have something more and am asking for help to set my crazy imagination at rest. Any info or help will be greatly appreciated.

vin # 124379N651505
body plate st69 12437 nor 34041 BDY tr11 72 72 pnt 05E x44
427 block 4 bolt w/e14 9 date
intake 3933163
carb 3959164 4346 date 944 distribtor 11111499 w/date 9d26
trans #mb21b muncie m21
alt 1100837 37 amp
rear bv 12 bolt 4 spiral shocks
radio, heater and console deleted

on firewall
9561
72
ptb in orange/green/orange
mn ondriver side head
l-72 on radiator cross frame

any help appreciated.

Thanks
Jay Nordstrom

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

"9561" is actually written on the firewall?

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"9561" is actually written on the firewall?

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that sure gets MY attention. Pictures?

[PeteLeathersac]

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"9561" is actually written on the firewall?

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that sure gets MY attention. Pictures?

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Please include some shots of the engine pad and trans stampings w/ your pics..
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
~ Pete

[Jay in dallas]

I am as much a neophite to computers and picture posting on this site as I am in copos. Tomorrow a friend is coming by to take photos and then email them to me. If some of the more knowledgable would volunteer for me to forward them to, I will and then they can post them I would appreciate it.

Also would someone explain engine pad... is this the date code casing site?

I know that this whole thread smacks of "poser" but if you want more info on me try www.clubcobra.com (http://www.clubcobra.com) and do a search under jayscobras or call me on my cell phone 972-742-2594. I would not post that on a public forum if I wasn't serious

Thank you
Jay Nordstrom

[SuperNovaSS]

If you bought it as a clone, what makes you think it is something more? What did the seller tell you about the car. Sounds much like the way clone car morph into real ones.


Jason

[Jay in dallas]

What part of my orinal post did you not read or understand? As to the seller, I have not spoken to him/her.

Sorry to be abrupt but that's the way I am if even a newbie.

Ever heard of a seller that didn't know what he sold?

Jay

[SuperNovaSS]

I understood what you wrote, "I have recently aquired a nice 69 copo clone Camaro to add to my collection. "
It sounds like something made you draw the conclusion it was a clone. How do you acquire a car without speaker to a seller?


Jason

[Jay in dallas]

auction

Jay Nordstrom

[SuperNovaSS]

If you are asking for help why not give the whole story? Was the car advertised as a clone at the auction? There are plenty of people who would like to help here. The reason I asked my original questions is because many builders of clones sell them as such but down the road the car's get represented as the real deal.

[RamAirDave]

Is the "9561" on the firewall an original marking, or was it written during the restoration (assuming its a restored car)?

[68l30]

VIVA.......La Cajun COPO

Does this car still have two trim tags? Last seen with a cast iron intake painted aluminum....restored by a Lou D. in 2002..15" steel rims painted like an XT...It's a CLONE.....Drive it and enjoy it...I don't believe it was ever sold for COPO money....75 to 90k every time I ever saw it listed....Nice car..IMHO


Steve

[Jay in dallas]

In my original post i stated that it was bought as a clone and my mind set after the purchase. I do not intend to sell the car unless my "imagination" is real. I am a learner in this and as my profile in clubcobra says "too many cars to remember, just poor white trash with money"

I cannot be more honest than that. The whole story has been given. Maybe I should have been more of a BS artist when I made my post. I thought this site may have been a little more indulgent since it is so highly rated from sources thatI asked. I have over 20 cars in my collection and change them often. I just asked a simple plea to end my crazy imagination. By the way, on surfing the site, I see that your big meeting is happening at Gateway... why not ask Tim Giger or Dan Harman about me. If I was phoney, why would I give my whole name?

I don't hide anything but asked for knowledge which I lack,,,if this is a problem in your eyes, disregard these posts and let the truth come out.

Jay Nordstrom

[SuperNovaSS]

I was not questioning your morals, just asking a few questions. While these bulletin boards are great for meeting people and exchanging info, it is sometimes hard to understand the tone of the people you are talking to. I did not mean any disrespect or to question your integrity.


Jason

[Jay in dallas]

yes it's that car. Bought at Rosso and Steele last month. Still... some questions are not yet answered in several sources minds. good heads up and thanks. even though it never bought "copo" money there are still some questions in our minds, that why I asked for numbers help.

thanks
Jay Nordstrom

[68l30]

If my memory is correct...It does not have a 512 block as well...All 69's had a heater..Very little history before the resto....lots of stuff after...Make's ya wonder..Someone flipped it again eh....

Ps. my notes show E159 as the date code


Steve

[Jay in dallas]

Please explain a 512 block. also if all 69s had a heater why are several nos sellers offering a 69 heater delete 3 piece part nos? As for flipping... all I know is that I paid a reasonable amount for the car...much less than stated above and is within limits of my collection however modest for 27 cars to date...even though many are clones or replicas such as a 32 Auburn model 866 or my cobra replica.

So here is another puzzler. If i have another fully documented copo body, tags intact and restore it,,,place the correct drive train in it, is it going to bring copo money? Numbers matching during those years leave much to the imagination.

Jay Nordstrom

[68l30]

512 is the last three digits of the block casting number.....Delete set ups were sold over the counter and for export use only....also(I believe) for our 50th state..Per federal law in 1969 which required a defroster.

Please explain "fully documented COPO body" .....Nothing to imagine...It is or it ain't.....I'm reluctant to describe little things that constitute a COPO....I don't want to help create one..I'm lead to believe more things have been modified on this car as time has gone by.....


Steve

[SuperNovaSS]

Hawaii and Alaska could have heater deletes in 69. But Alaska without a heater.... that takes balls!


Jason

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I'd like to see the '9561' on the firewall - that should be the first clone clue, just to see how/where it's written.

[SMGCO]

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512 is the last three digits of the block casting number.....Delete set ups were sold over the counter and for export use only....also(I believe) for our 50th state..Per federal law in 1969 which required a defroster.

Please explain "fully documented COPO body" .....Nothing to imagine...It is or it ain't.....I'm reluctant to describe little things that constitute a COPO....I don't want to help create one..I'm lead to believe more things have been modified on this car as time has gone by.....


Steve

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I'm in total agreement with " I don't want to help create one ". Too many clones around everywhere in everything. You have got to be so careful about giving out information.
We are all here to help however before you know it the guy or guys you have helped are competing with you for parts, at shows and other places.