1971 Camaro SS 396, GM documented, 1 of 1533 made

[3964spd]

Rare car, 1 of 1533 made, completely matching numbers engine and drivetrain, This car was built in the U.S.A. (Norwood Plant) and delivered to a customer in Canada, so it has GM Canadian documented verifying its authenticity. Runs awesome, very fast and handles great. Call 281.831.3335 for more info.

Asking $28k obo, the car is currently on ebay, but you are free to make an offer...click this link to see pictures:
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[mockingbird812]

Nice car. Is that a '71 vanity plate "DVT-14"? What does it stand for?

Thanks and good luck!

[YenkoYS-199Stinger]

Here in Texas we can run year of manufacturer plates on vintage cars if they are new or have been restored. You must show them to the DMV to get them registered. About 15-20 years ago, one guy started hitting the basements of the old courthouses in the little towns and buying up un issued new plates. They were cheap 15 years ago, but now the 65 and 66 ones are starting to get a little pricey. I am glad I bought a bunch years ago. One advantage of running them or the official "antique" plates is you no longer need to get an annual inspection.

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Chris
1967 Yenko Stinger YS-199
Southeast of Disorder

[47Hammer]

Very nice looking ride, does the protec-0-plate and stock hood come with the car?

[ohhawk]

Looks like a nice car. Appears it came with a vinyl roof originally. Are you sure that these are the correct special wheels (ZJ7) referenced in your ad. I thought that would have been the Rally wheels with hubcaps and trim rings?

Good luck.

[Rick H]

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Are you sure that these are the correct special wheels (ZJ7) referenced in your ad. I thought that would have been the Rally wheels with hubcaps and trim rings?

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The wheels shown are not ZJ7 coded Rally Wheels. The correct ZJ7 wheels are 14x7 Rally's with center caps and trim rings.
The car seems nice but there appears to be a lot of incorrect items. Do all of the correct parts come with the car?
The trim tag says the car is suppose to be Burnt Orange with Black vinyl top. The car is red with no vinyl top. The auction says the car is "very correct and original". Not sure how that can be said.
For $28k someone could have done a better job of patching the floor. What's the rest of the undercarriage look like?

Rick H.

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[Fhakya]

Good observations Rick. Also:

It looks that, at least, the passenger rear quarter panel was replaced or repaired by just eyeballing it. I'm not nitpicking the car...it's gorgeous. But it's a 2nd gen specific fit issue that I notice in the fit of the lower rear quarters.

In many cases they are 'bowed out' farther than stock when repaired incorrectly.

Also, Norwood,OH built cars should have red oxide primer on the floor panels/undercarriage VS the black that this one has.

This car is also equipped w/ the somewhat rare VF3 bumper option (note the rubber trim on the bumpers) which would also include the rear bumper "fangs". These "fangs" were exclusive to the VF3 and Z-28's. The fangs are missing from this car but the rear bumper appears to have the holes in the coorect place for their mounting.

These are just quick observations...I'm sure more will be added. This would be a fun driver and looks to be a good candidate for a no. matching resto.

[Gregs396]

I am familiar with this car. I had to go thru some of my old stuff in order to confirm this, but I looked at this car a few years back. When I checked this car out, it was for sale in NJ. The owner of the car at that time "Claimed" to have all of the original parts along with the POP, but wasn't able to produce them for me when I was there. The quarters were replaced with the repro 1/2's, and you can clearly see the seams from inside the trunk. As posted above the original color of this car is Burnt Orange, with a Black vinyl top. I know that the guy who owned this car when I looked at it sold to to someone located here in Pa. prior to it being in TX with the current owner.

[Thomas]

Did anyone else notice the Oil Pressure Gauge in place of what I believe is supposed to be the clock?

[Gregs396]

I should also add that the guy who owned the car in PA, did make several improvments to this car prior to selling it again. I recall looking at his pictures on Ebay, and comparing them to the ones that I had taken prior. Don't get me wrong, this is a pretty decent matching #'s driver quality car. If someone wanted to bring it back to 100% correct/original, it would take lots of $$$$$. When I looked at the car, I estimated that it would be in the area of $10k based on the quarters and paint work plus other missing items.

[Gregs396]

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Did anyone else notice the Oil Pressure Gauge in place of what I believe is supposed to be the clock?

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Yes, I also added one to my 71 SS-396, but opted to install it under the dash instead of hacking up the guage cluster. I still find it absurd that Chevrolet never factory installed an Oil Pressure guage in any 2nd generation Camaro's....
Since I had a freshly rebuilt engine in my car, I felt it would be foolish not to be able to monitor the Oil Pressure. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[MosportGreen66]

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Did anyone else notice the Oil Pressure Gauge in place of what I believe is supposed to be the clock?

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Yes, I also added one to my 71 SS-396, but opted to install it under the dash instead of hacking up the guage cluster. I still find it absurd that Chevrolet never factory installed an Oil Pressure guage in any 2nd generation Camaro's....
Since I had a freshly rebuilt engine in my car, I felt it would be foolish not to be able to monitor the Oil Pressure. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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Greg, is this the same Camaro that had the trim tag rivitted to the body?
I am pretty sure the car was offered to me not long ago either... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[mmcporter]

Not looking to trash the car as it appears nice, but I take exception with the term "survivor car" in the Ebay title when clearly this car has been worked on over the years....not to mention the 'Vette folks might want to talk about his use of the term "survivor"...

[Gregs396]

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Did anyone else notice the Oil Pressure Gauge in place of what I believe is supposed to be the clock?

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Yes, I also added one to my 71 SS-396, but opted to install it under the dash instead of hacking up the guage cluster. I still find it absurd that Chevrolet never factory installed an Oil Pressure guage in any 2nd generation Camaro's....
Since I had a freshly rebuilt engine in my car, I felt it would be foolish not to be able to monitor the Oil Pressure. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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Greg, is this the same Camaro that had the trim tag rivitted to the body?
I am pretty sure the car was offered to me not long ago either... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

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I don't recall any issues with the trim tag, but it was quite a while ago when I looked at this car. I recall viewing the car when it was on Ebay a while ago, and seem to think that the rivets were OK. There was another red
71 SS-396 for sale a while ago that had several items that were not correct, and possibly it was that car.
Greg

[3964spd]

Bash, bash, bash, is that all you guys no how to do? Sometimes it seems that way. Wow, Rick H really went out of his way. I may be off on some minor stuff, but this is the real deal car with docs. The car is all matching numbers engine, trans, etc. Yes it had a color change, yes it has a patch panel and whatever else. So what, i have shown all the pictures, unlike some on ebay. Its a very rare car and runs and drives awesome. Just appreciate the car, no need to criticize it so hard. I never said it was a perfect show car or trailer queen, just a nice fun driver. This is a car that is driven and you can enjoy it, belive you me. With all the Yenko and Copo clones, this is not a clone, just a real piece of GM history....that should count for something.

[Fhakya]

Hi Mike.

I'm not reading anything in the above posts that I would constitute bashing. The closest I could see was Rick's comment about the wording of the auction as "very correct and original"....which is completely subjective.
In the case of the engine/drivetrain, this appears to be true.
In the case of the paint/body and a few other areas, not so much.

Many of the contributors/members here simply have a 'correct restoration' type perspective.

Also, kudos for the decent photo's of the car. Good luck w/ the sale.

-Mark

[Gregs396]

I agree, there has been no "bashing" about your car. Only the facts have been brought out in this post. As I posted above, I have seen this car in person, and would by no means consider it to be any type of an original survivor car. As for the Docs, they are still said to be with a previous owner somewhere. Please keep in mind that is the same story that I got 2 owners prior to you purchasing the car. If you don't have the POP in hand, it is pretty much pointless to make claim about documentation for the car. From what I recall, the guy who is said to have the docs isn't willing to part with them for some odd reason. If the past owners of the car weren't able to get their hands on them, I have my doubts as to their existance. Out of respect for you and your sale, I won't post any of the previous sale prices of this car even though I have very close numbers. I know what I could have bought the car for when it was for sale in NJ, and I know what the previous owner wanted to get for the car as well. The patch panels and incorrect color may not be an issue to you, but they are a major expense that will be required to put the car back to it's Original state.

[67BelAir427]

The GM of Canada documentation is shown in the auction photos. Much better than a POP, as they can be verified under license to GM for the cost of $40 and a phone call.Marc

[3964spd]

Yes, 67BelAir427 is correct, GM Candada docs go with the car as the ad says, photos are shown. This is similar to a window sticker as it lists ALL options, unlike a pop, which only lists a few and is currently being reproduced today. Gregs396 somehow missed that in his "fact finding mission", although he was able to find a bunch of negatives about the car, but of course he is not "bashing"...gimme a break.

[CamarosRus]

3964spd, As a member of this site, I feel I have the right to voice my opinion about what I've read and have seen.
You have the right to advertise your car at what ever value you think someone might pay for said car.
2nd Gen Camaro enthusiasts on this site are pointing out the good, the bad and the ugly about your car. This web site has a history of trying to protect naive and inept buyers from over zealous sellers, who might misrepresent or overstate the truth.
If you cant bear to be confronted with what KNOWLEDGEABLE people observe as incorrect with your vechicle, you might be better off removing it from this arena......

Chuck Sharin
70 Camaro enthusiast
ACA 2nd Gen Carlisle Judge

[PeteLeathersac]

I thought eBay cars posted here had to disclose their reserve...sorry if I'm wrong or missed this figure?.
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~ Pete

[3964spd]

yes, everyone has a right to state their opinion, i agree. If i see someone represent a clone and call it real, i would blow the whistle too, but thats not what happened. I am not trying to hide anything, have many pictures of the car. All i said (and i can state opinion too) is that it seems like all is done here is bashing, not appreciating a rare documented car. This is not a Corvette forum, for petes sake. Why is every car compared to a trailer queen? Greg's posts insinuated that my car did not have documents, which it clearly does - from GM at that. It just seems odd that this fact would be missed but everything negative is found.

[PPPJJJFFF]

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yes, everyone has a right to state their opinion, i agree. If i see someone represent a clone and call it real, i would blow the whistle too, but thats not what happened. I am not trying to hide anything, have many pictures of the car. All i said (and i can state opinion too) is that it seems like all is done here is bashing, not appreciating a rare documented car. This is not a Corvette forum, for petes sake. Why is every car compared to a trailer queen? Greg's posts insinuated that my car did not have documents, which it clearly does - from GM at that. It just seems odd that this fact would be missed but everything negative is found.

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The seller asks "why is this car being compared to a trailer queen". It isn't my friend. But the car shown in the Ebay ad is not as described now is it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Patrick

[427.060]

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I thought eBay cars posted here had to disclose their reserve...sorry if I'm wrong or missed this figure?.
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~ Pete

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In his first post he says the price is $28k obo. I was under the impression that all Ebay auctions listed here required prices.
James

[softail1]

This ad is totally bogus. I sold this to a guy in PA that recently sold it this clown in texs. This car has had at least 5 owners and has been molested. All sheet metal has been replaced, including fenders and rear quarters, and I had to have extensive welding done to put in new frame rails and new floor pans, which we halfed. It is not the orignal color, since it came burnt orange with a black vinyl top. It also cam with 14 in, ralley wheels, which I still have, it did not come with the 15 in Z28 wheels. I replaced the lower seat fabric, out in new carpet and had the door panels replaced. When I purchased this car in Canada, it was a real rust bucket. I have all the original pictures with all the rotten frame rails, floor pans, ripped interior, etc. This ad is totally mispresented the car. Oh, and by the way it has a new cam, with roller rockers and a high rise manifold I put on it.

[Charley Lillard]

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3964spd, As a member of this site, I feel I have the right to voice my opinion about what I've read and have seen.
You have the right to advertise your car at what ever value you think someone might pay for said car.
2nd Gen Camaro enthusiasts on this site are pointing out the good, the bad and the ugly about your car. This web site has a history of trying to protect naive and inept buyers from over zealous sellers, who might misrepresent or overstate the truth.
If you cant bear to be confronted with what KNOWLEDGEABLE people observe as incorrect with your vechicle, you might be better off removing it from this arena......

Chuck Sharin
70 Camaro enthusiast
ACA 2nd Gen Carlisle Judge

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Very well said Chuck. Keep is civil fellas.

[CamarosRus]

This thread is done........stick a fork in it!!!!!!!

[SuperNovaSS]

Tomorrow on Fox, "When flipping goes bad"...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Mr70]

This smacks of a cover up worse then Barbara Walters wearing a turtleneck..

[AutoInsane]

This website is amazing! I think the For Sale forum should have a warning up top:

"If you post here be prepared to divulge everything known about your car. "The truth shall set you free... or bite you in the....."

[3964spd]

This will be my last post. I just wanted to say that i hid nothing about this car. I only state what i know and what was told to me by the previous owner. When i decided to sell the car i took over 40 pictures and gave all the info, documents that show the orig. color, trim tag, floorboards, everything. It's way more than most people show. I am hiding nothing about this car.

Softail1 is out of line when he calls me a clown, i did nothing to him, i did not even buy the car from him. Did he tell the owner i bought it from about all this? Apparently not. Who is 'hiding info' here?. If anything, he is criticizing his own restoration work.

The car is a great car and i for one am glad he restored it, aren't you?. Its a piece of GM history that needed to stay alive and not end up in some junk yard i guess. The car is a blast to drive, looks great and fully documented. It's a real SS396 Camaro, 1 of 1533. How many people on this forum even have a real Yenko? And i am sure all of them had no rust, right? Gimme a break.

I guess I can't stop this witch hunt, you guys are having too much fun.

[budnate]

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This website is amazing! I think the For Sale forum should have a warning up top:

"If you post here be prepared to divulge everything known about your car. "The truth shall set you free... or bite you in the....."

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oh how true http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif....a classic http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif make it a sticky

[PeteLeathersac]

Mike, please try not to be too pissed at some of the responses to your ad here...the problem mostly resulted from your referring to the car as a survivor which you're probably more aware now isn't so...especially after your experience here?.

That said, otherwise the car is very cool...and w/ the undisputable GM Canada documents, certainly the real thing!.

~ Pete
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Gregs396]

I would also like to add a few closing comments about your car. When I looked at this car in NJ a few years ago, the only documentation that was said to exist was the POP. As I said before, it was not in the hands of the seller at that time. The Canadian docs that you show were obtained afterwards by the person whom you purchased the car from in PA. I see his name and the date in the pictures, as well as on the Pa. Title. I for one would not want my name and address posted for all to view, but that is just my preference. The Canadian docs are not posted within your Ebay auction, and I appoligize for not seeing them until I visited your photo page. I wish you all of the best with the Sale of your car.
Greg

[SuperNovaSS]

They are in the auction actually.


Jason

[CamarosRus]

Below are pics of two Northwest area 70 SS L-34's. The Orange one is still owned by the ORIGINAL owner. (I have placed myself 1st on any list to buy this best possible example of a 70 L-34 Camaro). The Citrus Green car has been frame on restored with fresh paint. Has a glove box FULL of docs !!!!!


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[softail1]

OK, if you won't remove it, then I will post all of the "real pictures" about this car and all the original parts I have left. You don't dare pick up the rear carpet in this car. I even have a video from when the real frame rails and inner fender wells and trunk extentions were put in. We filled 2 55 gallon drums with rust, mude, monkey hair, etc.

[SuperNovaSS]

It is like you are proud of your hack job the way you are describing it. Shouldn't everything look factory under the rear carpet if you did the job correctly? Or will the next guy be able to fill more drums with Mud, Monkey Hair, etc.?


Jason

[owners2]

Seems to me that Softail1 is proud enough of his hack work to pass the car on but now he see's someone else trying to pass the car on he just plain bashes the car & calls the guy a clown.Sound to me that he's the clown that should have had the repairs properly perfomed by a professional in the first place.

[mmcporter]

That's assuming softail even owned the car before. Beware what you see on the web....

[Gregs396]

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That's assuming softail even owned the car before. Beware what you see on the web....

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As I posted above, I looked at this car when he owned it in NJ a few years ago. Based on his profile, he is the same person that I recall owning the car at that time. The information that he has posted about this car was disclosed to me when I looked at it. I can only assume that he also shared the same info with the person he sold the car to here in PA. I have no idea if the owner in PA shared this info with the current seller or not. I can say that the repair work done on the car was pretty apparent, and that the current seller is aware of what was done to the car now even if he wasn't when he purchased it.

[3964spd]

...the car is no longer for sale, it has been sold to a local collector.

[softail1]

No, my issue is this. I sold the car for a very fair price, knowing it needed work. I never mispresented the car. Yes, it is a real LS3 car, but it needed more work to be brought to the correct specs. The reason I am passionate about the car, because when I bought it in Canada, it was misrepresented to me. I put a lot of money into the car, and it was a very nice car, but needed more work and time (which I did not have) to make it correct. It just irritates me when people try to take advantage of others. When I sold it, I was up front about everything, including the flaws. But the bottom line is that it is a "real" LS3 BB car, and 1 of 1533 made. There are not many others out there. But outright lying about the car is wrong. Enough said.

[3964spd]

I lied about nothing and am not taking advantage of anyone, be assured. If you are beat up about how much you spent on the car, or how much you got for it, oh well. You are right about one thing, it is 1 of 1533 and very rare and that alone gets the car respect. It's a real gem and as it turns out, the guy with a bit more money in the bank is going to restore it right and has already realized that. And by the way, i am not a 'clown'.