1969 Baldwin Motion Phase III Corvette on E-bay

[Mr. Duece]

I was wondering if anyone saw this Corvette on E-bay???

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-BALD...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-BALDWIN-MOTION-PHASE-III-CORVETTE_W0QQitemZ300084756665QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6 168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[JoeG]

I've just been watching the bidding........He says his has docs....He'll need them....Trim tag looks pristine...

[mudjnky]

Any chance this is the same car?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/70-Cars-M...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/70-Cars-Magazine-Baldwin-Motion-Phase-III-GT-Corvette_W0QQitemZ110094246735QQihZ001QQcategoryZ6 762QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[JoeG]

Usually Ed 55chevy would answer the Motion Vette questions--he must be tracking down a Motion Olds book --No--The one on the mag has the full GT options.......including the slanted back window..

[55chevy]

No It's not the same car.. Dammit Joe beat me to it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif btw that car on the Mag cover is the GT that has the Dodge Charger fuel filler on it.

[x Baldwin Motion]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat...true#Post251646 (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=UBB3&Number=251646&Search page=1&Main=251646&Words=+Serbigblock&topic=&Searc h=true#Post251646)

this car covered above. for sale here by Yenko member

[Verne_Frantz]

As far as the seller, If he knew enough to get Joel’s docs, then he also knows what that means and I’d think he’d use that info more to his advantage with more specifics. The description is pretty darn short for a car he MUST know is that substantial that he knew to get the docs from Joel in the first place.
But I certainly DO have the utmost hopes that it IS real and it’s survived….!!!!!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gifVerne

[x Baldwin Motion]

one description suggests original paint but no emblems? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
any detective work done to find filled holes?
I loved the work Larry did to authenticate his ride. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif
It would be great to find another REAL SS427 GT http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Serbigblock]

Chris
To answer your question. The car had repair work done on the right rear and the emblems must have been removed. However you are able to see the fill holes from the back of the panel and yes the SS427 emblem fits perfect. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

that sounds like a discovery worth photographing !! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Serbigblock]

Post deleted by Charley Lillard

[owners2]

What did he do to deserve this attitude!

[SS427]

deleted at the request of Rick

[SuperNovaSS]

Sounds like someone I'd like to do business with http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif. This post will probably make no since after the above is edited. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[NovaMob03]

John, when you post info about a car on a site with 4000 plus members you have to assume that somebody might know something about the car no matter how hidden it may have been. I think everyone's questions about Motion documentation are valid & not meant to be a personal attack towards you or the car. However, since the previous owner apparently couldn't get anything from Joel and you apparently did it's normal to wonder why & how this occurred.
The one piece of info that you have alluded to(on ebay, I think)& that I could not get was that the Vette came from Baldwin Chev. This leads me to suspect that you or someone close to you was able to get the NICB on it. Had I gotten that info the Vette might well be in Ga now.
So, the big question really is 'do you hold a position in law enforcement that allows you access to the NICB?' Considering the price I was given & the ebay buy it now price of $225K there's a whole lot boot on the table. If you do not, or are not connected in any way please accept my appology for the inferrance that you may have used a position of authority for personal gain.
This information should be made available to everyone through GM so that everybody has equal footing when buying or hunting these cars. JMO

[x Baldwin Motion]

someone please send me a PM and tell me what I missed. I hope my comments were not as offensive as they may have been in the past, but I'm over that now. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[SS427]

Your comments were NOT at all offensive. At least I did not take them that way. Some people just take things the wrong way. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Rick

[Serbigblock]

Jude
Before you post a statement on this site, you should really have all the facts on the car. The guy who listed the car in NJ was not the owner, he was the middleman. He did not pay Joel Rosen to document the car. He called Joel on the phone and did not send the money. The reason the car is not in GA right now is because you did what many others do and try to steal the car from the Seller. I drove down, offered the price he wanted and treated him with respect. The Seller even bought me dinner because he appreciated that I didn't play games with him, as others did.
Those are the facts.

[JoeG]

It says in your vettes description--factory side pipes---Did the car come originally with the finned sidepipes and was this car changed over to an automatic when new........

[Serbigblock]

It was a factory sidepipe car from the factory. However,it received the Hooker sidepipes as a performance upgrade. Also the car was a stick car.

[NovaMob03]

John,
I knew Bob was the middleman, and I know that several people looked the car over. No one would have played games with the seller if they'd known the selling dealer was Baldwin & only you seem to have this info.
I'll admit to hearing different senarios about it being real & not real. The proof is surely in the documentation that you got from Joel and the claim that it was actually delivered to Baldwin Chev. As I mentioned elsewhere, I have yet to see any factual, work order, type documentation from Joel Rosen. Just letters. If you were to get an NICB report confirming Baldwin then the car's history becomes more credulious & far more likely to get a blessing from Joel.
John, so either the seller found the original documents relating to the car or an NICB report was run. So, please tell us...what are the facts?

[Serbigblock]

Jude

You were the first allowed to look at the car and you offered him 20K. I was the second guy and paid him his price. Bob told you and I both that Joel Rosen knew the previous owner of the car. I confirmed this with Joel so at that point, its a no brainer. Again, as I stated before, Bob only spoke to Joel on the phone and never sent the $ to get it documented. I did. As for documenting Motion cars there is only one way to do it. You may have your opinions on him. However, I have always had a good experience with him. I have bought several cars in the past that I thought were Baldwin Motion cars, spoke to Joel on the phone on these cars, sent the $ in to get them documented and they turned out not being a Baldwin Motion car and lost my money. Its a chance you take when trying to get them documented.

[NovaMob03]

John,
In case you haven't been able to read between the lines I'll tell you my theory.
The Vette was listed for sale & you called got the vin from the middleman. The vin was run on NICB which told you it came from Baldwin Chev. You bought the car, sent Joel the info you had then posted it here for sale at $275K after Joel confirmed it was real.
A google search of your name reaveals that you may be the police captain for West Haven Ct police dept.
If my thoery is incorrect I hope you & the members accept my appology. It's just that the pieces seem to fit together.
BTW I never made an offer to the seller because of the lack of documentation.

[Serbigblock]

Jude-
Well, your theory is wrong. However, it is interesting that 2 days after I purchased the car, I received a call from Bob representing you wanting to buy the car from me and all of a sudden Bob had informed me with new information that the car was delivered to Baldwin Chevrolet. Bob told me that the gentlemen that wants to buy the car knows it is a Baldwin Motion vette and will pay me accordingly and make it worth it. So Jude, why don't you tell everyone on supercar how "you got the information on the car"? Well, now you have an opportunity to purchase the car like everyone else, by bidding on ebay. Second of all, I think you have a heck of a nerve to google anyone and no I am not in anyway related with a captain in West Haven Police Department. So once again, your theories are all wrong about me. You are just trying to discredit my car on ebay because you didn't offer Bob the right price at the start and lost the car.

[AutoInsane]

John, what is the history on the car? Any good story on who the original buyer was? What paperwork is there on this car.

One hell of a car buy the way!! I would never be able to sell a treasure like this. I think I would just spend my days sitting in the garge staring at it!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Serbigblock]

Bill-
I am the 3rd owner of the car. The car maybe shortly reunited with the original owner. It seems like he is very interested and wants to buy his car back. The car started its life as an SS427 phase III corvette, went back to Motion for more performance modifications a second time. The car did see time on the drag strip and the vehicle is currently documented by Joel Rosen. Thank you for your positive feedback on the car. The only reason I am selling this treasure is because I have my eyes on another gem.

[AutoInsane]

John-
I think you should mention this in your Ebay ad and in your ad on this site. Having full history and having the original owner able to verify everything sure helps. Without that it leaves some holes and questions in the authenticiy and veracity of the car.

I must admit with the brief description on both ads it sure made me wonder why that wasn't being brought up. With a high dollar car like this one history either makes or breaks the car. If the you have the history on it and are in contact with the original owner and can prove where the car came from and where it has been why not talk about it?

Do you have any older photos of the car in its prime??

It sure seems that anyone who posts a car for sale on here and tells everything they know about the car and it's histry sells the car in short order.

Good luck with the sale and thank you for letting us know about the history of the car!

[JoeG]

I guessing the replacement engine is another 427/435..????

[x Baldwin Motion]

you know, I just KNEW this car sounded familiar. It took me a while but I believe it may be pictured below. Am I correct?

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q101/65z13/69vette.jpg

[NovaMob03]

John, I've never spoken to Bob & I don't believe that he called you to tell you it came from Baldwin Chev. I don't want to buy it from you and turned it down because there was no Baldwin docs, Motion doc's or even a title to look at.
My search for info led me to a listing of only two guys with your name in the CT 203 area code. Your phone # is 203 & the police dept is also a 203 area code & the captain shares your name. You are the seller & you have advertised it as a Baldwin car. Is it?
If you're not Capt Serra, are you otherwise involved in law enforcement?

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]
you know, I just KNEW this car sounded familiar. It took me a while but I believe it may be pictured below. Am I correct?

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q101/65z13/69vette.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]


From the ebay ad...
http://i4.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/8d/cb/06c2_3.JPG

[x Baldwin Motion]

yes, Bruce I'd say it's a match. Car discussed here;
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/224529/page/5/fpart/1/vc/1
and on the camaro site months ago when "found". I believe the price then was almost reasonable!!
bids now up to $90,000.00 for a rolling hunk of fiberglass.
And we thought those plastic cars wouldn't catch on !! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[SuperNovaSS]

What's with the allogation? He says he came up with the docs. So what if he used his position in law enforcement to get them(if its true). I would if I was in that position.


Jason

[Charley Lillard]

Jude... What is the point on grilling him on just who he is ? If he is law enforcement and managed to document the car lets just consider another one saved. Even if he is not supposed to I would rather he did and I would rather others would also. If he gets raked over the coals it will only deter others in law enforcement from ever helping others.

[SuperNovaSS]

Thanks Charley. That is what I was trying to say. You must have gone to finishing school or something http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif.


Jason

[Motion Camaro]

<font color="blue">All I have to say is ..........



http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif


Get back to me ASAP.

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[NovaMob03]

Charlie, I dissagree. Law enforcement personnell salaries are paid by the taxpayer. They take an oath to protect and serve &amp; with that comes higher ethics &amp; accountability. The tools they use to enforce laws are also taxpayer funded &amp; therefore should not be used for any type of personal gain. Before I purchase a musclecar I usually drive to the local police station to see if the vin has been reported stolen &amp; they'll give me that much, but no more info. Why should a paid public servant be allowed to ID a car that's 3 states away, track it to a Long Island dealership, buy it &amp; flip it for a profit? I'm all about finding cool cars &amp; have discussed this with guys that have NICB access. They respond that they can't take a commission or profit in any way as it could joepardize their job.

[SuperNovaSS]

But have you asked them to do it for you as a favor? It seems like that would be hypocritical. What if they ran the NICB report on their own time? I appreciate the job law enforcement officers do for the community. Access to the NICB report seems like a nice perk for a car guy if he can find time to use it outside of his job. Make some wine out of those sour grapes.


Jason

[JoeG]

Soooooo---Anyway the car didn't meet its reserve...Maybe the seller will come forth in the future wilh some concrete info on the car and try to get closer to his reserve---Until then, I have to ask my garbage men to do me a favor and get rid of some old tires of mine even though they're not suppose to.........

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]
Soooooo---Anyway the car didn't meet its reserve...Maybe the seller will come forth in the future wilh some concrete info on the car and try to get closer to his reserve---Until then, I have to ask my garbage men to do me a favor and get rid of some old tires of mine even though they're not suppose to.........

[/ QUOTE ]

yup, those Brooklyn garbage men will only do as they are supposed to. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif good luck.

tell them those are four of four Baldwin tires. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[jtower1969]

Brooklyn Garbage Men are the slowest anywhere. I worked in Brooklyn for 6 years. There is nothing like being the first car behind them on a narrow oneway in Park Slope...I still want to ram them with my car!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JoeG]

Hey--Whoa-----------I gotta live here........ http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif