ZL1 block found

[blueyenko]

i have found a ZL1 block 3946052 it has a rod that has blown # 7 and #8 cylinder wall the sleevs have been removed on those 2 , and has a small crack on the lifter valley , part 3 is 3946052 can anyone tell me what i should pay for a block of this condition??

[BARRY]

1500.00 TO 2500

[427king]

Barry buy it for me at 1500.00 i give you a 10K finders fee... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[blueyenko]

now can it be repaired and who is can i have fix it its just the bare block

[blueyenko]

so what your saying is around 3 g's for the block would be fair even needing all those repairs

[blueyenko]

hey buddy i dont know much about the block and dont want to buy it if its going to cost a fortune any help or advice in this matter

[COPO]

Is it a 69 dated block? A competent machine shop should have no problen repairing the block. I think $3K would be a great price for you.

[blueyenko]

i guess i should get it than just not sure what it will cost to repair it , i guess i can also use it as a coffee table till than , just joking

[427king]

Plan on thousands not hundreds to fix. There are many things that need to be looked at other than the physical repairs. Ive even had a block that physically looked good after repair but the cam geometry was off center and the bores not straight and it would eat cams and lifters one after the other. Couldnt get anyone that wanted to touch fixing it at any price,and those few guys were fixing blocks blown in half for other customers.

[x Baldwin Motion]

for $3000.00 make sure they throw in a couple of good bottles of wine !!!

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q101/65z13/EngineTable.jpg

[blueyenko]

after all of that now i really dont know what to do ??

[Charley Lillard]

Blue... If it is just a over the counter block needing lots of repairs I wouldn't pay 3K for it. If it had the vin stamped down by the oil filter for one of the 69 ZL1's it would be worth more. Also check to see if it still has a build stamp on the front pad. It it went to a actual car it has more value than it just being a over the counter poorly constructed block.

[427king]

Blue, sent a PM, i am looking for one. Will pay a finders fee or allow you to make a good profit. [ QUOTE ]
If it is just a over the counter block needing lots of repairs I wouldn't pay 3K for it

[/ QUOTE ] Charlie, you are aware that tachometers from sears and roebuck that look like chevy pieces are bringing 2K on ebay ??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ZL1#17]

I'll 2nd Kings remarks. I'm next in line. If King doesn't buy it I will.

[blueyenko]

760-492-5033 is my #

[blueyenko]

WELL I JUST GOT HOME I BOUGHT IT GUYS HAVE THE PISTONS A CAM SAHFT AS WELL JUST NEED TO RUN THE #'S ON THE PISTONS AND CAM

[blueyenko]

its dated 3-6-69 and looks like block # 202

[COPO]

nice date

[blueyenko]

now the other bad part had to pay a little more than i hoped but still pretty happy with the price ,i tried 3,000 but he laughed a bit but we came to a fair price

[427king]

Wow. It sounds like you found out its repairable and also what a fair price was even though you werent even sure if you should buy it 4 hours ago. When you sell it or decide to use it you may want to send the site a small donation for a quick education you wouldnt have gotten anywhere else.

[blueyenko]

i dont think i'll sell it as of right now just got back home and i'm beat and my computer is slow at the shop i'd love to make a donation and much thanks to eveyone for there input , now i just need to figure out what and where it came from , it has mickey thompson stamped on the bottom side where the lip of the oil pan bolts to the block ????

[427king]

I had one that had Mickey thompson stamped like that about 10 years ago or so. It had aj foyt also on the block, i think they were gifts from one to the other back in the day . thats my guess..

[blueyenko]

what a awesome gift huh ! 427 are you chuck ?? i missed your calls i'm sorry if that was you calling i'll give you a buzz tomorrow if thats ok

[blueyenko]

anybody know of any shop that might take the project on of repairing this block

[SuperNovaSS]

It would help if you could post some pictures of the areas needing repairs. Where in CA are you? I know a guy here that is pretty good. He fixes aluminum intakes for me all the time and fixed a ZL1 for me in the past.


Jason

[blueyenko]

NOT SURE HOW TO POST PICS ON THIS SITE ??

[Xplantdad]

Try here... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/199732/an/0/page/0#199732

[jbsides]

Blue,

There used to be a machine shop that did high quality aluminum block repairs on Washington Blvd. in Whittier off the 605 He had a bunch of rare blocks he was just sitting on for years. Trying to remember the name of the place, but definitely remember the $8KUS to resleeve one cylinder (plus the repair) they did on one of Vic Edebrock prototype aluminum 427's about 10 years ago.

JB

[SuperNovaSS]

8K????? Seems a little excessive!

[shor]

i had my chevelle block re-sleeved for 100 dollars per cylinder. 800 bucks.
it is iron though, not aluminum

[427king]

Im fixing 2 right now, fixing these blocks isnt like fixing a broken ear on an intake. With all the welding there is warpage, porosity problems with the aluminum and a host of other issues.Ive even seen a zl1 where the entire cam jouranls and main webbing had to be built completely upo with weld and re machined... 3500.00 to 6500.00 is not out of line. Anyone can do the repair wrong,its doing it right that costs the extra money. And thats assuming it isnt a block thats non repairable. I just fixed a block that had to have part of a block digitially recreated, amazing to see te before and after pics..

[427freak]

Was it Taylor engines?

[Hotrodpaul]

Having done quite a bit of Aluminum welding, the entire Block must be preheated (600 deg F) or so before welding. Aluminum has a fairly high coeffecient of expansion so when the weld cools, it contracts, causing stress and warpage. Also, preheating allows better penetration of the weld due to less heat draw into the block. The Aluminum alloy will make a difference as well, cleanliness, etc. Welding on die cast parts is difficult because of the higher silicon content and general imputities in the Aluminum.

It can be done with the right steps.

Paul

[blueyenko]

well i recieved a set of piston domes along with a zl1 cam 9181. pistons are #3947886 are the pistons correct for this motor or are they l88 ??

[blueyenko]

ANYONE NEEDING PICS DROP ME A LINE I'LL SEND A FEW SEND ME A PM WITH YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND THANKS TO EVERYONE WITH ALL FOR ALL THERE KNOWLEDGE

[blueyenko]

well i think the ZL1 is going to go up for sale , need to buy a 1968-72 corvette roadster so let see what happens taking offers

[JChlupsa]

I take it this is the block

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/pts/308016868.html

[427king]

Jeff, Im beginning to think you are a mole for the CIA on this site,with all your info and cutting edge technology http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[427king]

I believe you will need to price it if you wish to sell it here. Im a buyer, but dont want to be used as a high water mark for the next guy. When you are ready and serious so am i.

[JChlupsa]

Cant take the credit for finding that listing, Someone on Team Camaro posted it and when I saw the M/T stamp it wasnt hard to put the two together.

[nrjulin]

blueyenko sent me these pictures. I do not know him and if he is trying to sell this block he needs to post a price.

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[nrjulin]

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[jbsides]

427Freak,

Yes, Taylor's. That's them. As it has been 10 years since I have been in there, I don't know if they are still in business. I used to work at the old Thunderbird plant up the street, and popped in there at lunchtime to see how it was coming. It took months, and there was a lot of effort, but I can't remember everything that was involved. There was a chunk of Al missing and the one resleeve for sure, but there was something else that causing the delay and added expense.

JB

[SuperNovaSS]

WOW, that is a bog hole. I can't imagine what the sleeve looked like. Any infor on the pad?


Jason

[jbsides]

Nah, it was one of Vic Edelbrock's four original prototypes. That thing has spent more of its existance in machine shops than installed in an engine bay. Charley puts a great spin on the design and fabrication of these old pieces that hits the head on the nail. They just don't compare to today's Al blocks.
The actual repair work by Taylor's was outstanding, though. You can't even tell there was a chunk missing. I'll see if I can post a pic that shows the repaired area...

JB

[blueyenko]

does anyone know where Taylors is located or a phone # for them ?

[jbsides]

Blue,

Sent you a PM with all the data.

JB

[blueyenko]

well the zl1 block is up for sale on ebay item # 140108096391 also will be selling my tri power L-68 as well

[blueyenko]

JUST WANTED TO THANK EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR ME ON MY BLOCK ,MOST OF ALL THANKS 427KING

[Charley Lillard]

Please don't post the block in the for sale section without listing a price or reserve. I have pulled two of your ads because of that.

[nova7579]

This thread should also be deleted. It also lists the auction number and STILL NO PRICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[427king]

[ QUOTE ]
I'll 2nd Kings remarks. I'm next in line. If King doesn't buy it I will.



[/ QUOTE ] Its all yours Rick. And if you buy it and need it repaired reasonably AND correctly i can most certainly help you on that.

[joey]

I rename both threads to Im fishing for a price!