Diesel Tow vehicle options

[prototype]

I'm looking for a new tow rig and have been a Suburban guy forever but I really want a diesel.

The Ford Excursion has got me interested and have heard that the 6.0 (available since mid 03 I think) is supposed to be better than the 7.3, any opinions?

Thanks in advance!!!

[Chevy454]

I've heard a *lot* of folks are having troubles with the F@rd 6.0...however, our gravedigger has had one for a few months and has had ZERO problems.

My wife drives a sub with the 8.1L...the thing is a MONSTER. It's rated for a 12k pound trailer I believe, and will absolutely FLY with our loaded 24ft trailer. If you're dead set on a diesel in a Sub, though, I believe GM is supposed to coming out with a Duramax/Sub combo...believe it's gonna be a V6 version of the Dmax, but it's still supposed to be up around 300hp/500+ ft-lbs...

[kwhizz]

I was a Suburban guy also, but it just didn't have the economy nor power when pulling the trailer.......traded it in on a Sierra Crew Cab w/ the Duramax -Allison combo....Best thing I have ever done (Almost).......This thing pulls the trailer without any effort and basically.....you don't even know the trailer is back there...........the Torque these Diesels make is pretty wild...............I'll never go back to a gas rig for pulling.......Hope this helps.....The only thing with more Torque than this truck is Charley's 55......LOL http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Xplantdad]

Or his twin Turbo Camaro...or his SD455...or his http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[YenkoYS-199Stinger]

I believe Rob is correct about the diesel Suburban coming out.

I had a 2001 2500HD crew/short with the 8.1 that was slightly pumped up. It would run like a raped ape http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif except past the gas station. 10.5 most of the time and 7 with the trailer.
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My 2005 2500HD is a Duramax and I love it. U.S. Diesel has the best prices on the upgrades. I put a full Banks kit on mine when it was new. The 6 gun, Speed Loader and Exhaust. It now is about 400hp and close to 800#'s on the torque. It is a rubber roaster!!! 0-60 @6 sec. 97 in the 1/4. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif I will never go back to gas. All of the Banks goodies was about $1500.00 delivered and it took me about 6 hours to install. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

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Chris
1967 Yenko Stinger YS-199
Southeast of Disorder

[wheelhop]

I tow with a '99 Super Duty F-250.
Pulls a 26 foot trailer, no problems.
Average about 11 mpg with trailer/chevelle inside.
I've heard the new 6.0 litre motor is not as good as the old 7.3 which I've got.
Only plus I've heard is it's a lot quiter.

[71-LS6]

I pull with an 05' Dodge diesel, it pulls good, but after 90K miles I'm beginning to wish I had bought a GM with the Duramax / Allison combo. I've heard nothing but good news about them.

[prototype]

Thanks for the insight guys. I've just purchased an 07 Avalanche and absolutely love it so the news about the Suburban sounds great!

My old tow rig is a 96 1500 Suburban and the new Avalanche drives sooooo much nicer. This is the third Suburban that I've used and they all seem to last about 250K before they give up when used for towing. My trips are almost always 5K plus and are usually done in the shortest time frame possible so having the diesel guys pass me going 75+ fully loaded on the uphills is really getting to me. A diesel is going to take at least a few hours less per trip (more sleep time http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif).

This may sound petty but the smell of diesel fuel is the biggest reason that I've stayed away, you just can't seem to get rid of it. I guess I'll keep a box of disposable gloves in the truck. Any other ingeniuos ideas?

Do the diesels typically average 10mpg loaded with a trailer and does running 75-80mph really affect the mileage, it sure does on a gas Suburban.

I know the older Dodge and Ford trucks were really loud, after just spending the weekend in a friends Chev Duramax I noticed the fan is quite loud from the interior and seemed to kick in and out alot.

[Donnie]

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Do the diesels typically average 10mpg loaded with a trailer and does running 75-80mph really affect the mileage, it sure does on a gas Suburban.
I get 12.2mpg with my Duramax loaded running 65 to 68 hope to be up around 13mpg this year with my air box mod. yes going 75-80 will affect your mileage. on a side note I get 19mpg running 68 empty.

I know the older Dodge and Ford trucks were really loud, after just spending the weekend in a friends Chev Duramax I noticed the fan is quite loud from the interior and seemed to kick in and out alot. there is a fix for the fan running all the time. (the fan will kill your mileage) he must have an LLY motor.

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[CamarosRus]

Where I can read,hear find out about which years,models,engines of USED Dodge Cummins are good and which to avoid.....
I would prefer a 2 wheel drive, but understand there are few out there (????)

[Donnie]

Chuck,
the cummins are all good. its everything else around it that you want to avoid!

[ZL1mike]

My first diesel GMC 2005 fully loaded with trailer package - 2500 extended cab long box, I love it and like any body else here that has had one will probably never go back to gas tow vehicles.

I drove to and from Florida and Toronto and on the way back home I got over 1100 kilometers to the tank ( 128 liters )not pulling a trailer.

I have just bought a new 32 ft enclosed trailer and it pulled ok but when fully loaded I liked a little more power so I bought the Bully Dog kit with Outlook and I'm looking forward to installing that little option.

Duramax LLY 5 speed Allison.
Totaly love it !
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[YenkoYS-199Stinger]

I'll add to mine from before.

My 2005 Crew/Short bed Duramax Banks pumped up gets 10-11 pulling a trailer(loaded) at 70-80. This is either pulling the car trailer or the boat. The car trailer is open and the boat is 13,000 wet full of fuel. (1994 Cigarette Top Gun-38 foot). If I pull the car trailer empty it gets 11-13. The Banks goodies did not really effect the mpg but the power is worth the $$$. 150hp and 3003#'s of torque for $1500.00. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

One of the other at the dealer that I vintage race with has the Bully Dog on his and loves it.

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Chris
1967 Yenko Stinger YS-199
2005 Duramax LLY/Allison 5 speed/ Banks Power http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif
Southeast of Disorder

[musclcar]

thanks to all the stringent emmisions standards on all the diesel trucks for 2007 this is what happened to the new 2008 superduty trucks

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/03/ford_tailpipe_fires.html

[Chevy454]

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My first diesel GMC 2005 fully loaded with trailer package - 2500 extended cab long box, I love it and like any body else here that has had one will probably never go back to gas tow vehicles.


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You ever driven a 8.1L/Ally truck, or even a 6.0L? We have both an 8.1L and a Dmax, and until we hung the Edge on the Dmax the 8.1L would *easily* outpace it with a load. And best as I can tell, their ain't a lot of difference in fuel mileage, either...however, while you can turn down the torque management on the 8.1L and gain some power, it is a lot easier to turn up the wick on the Dmax!

[mrrec]

I made the mistake of buying an 8.1 back when the Dmax was just out and the dmax was hard to come by - traded it after about 6 months. Sure, it had some power, but with automatic it was buzzing 5k rpm on the hills. 5 mpg. We're talking serious towing of 20k lbs and wind resistance. I've put 200k miles on dmax trucks and the same load as the gasser results in 8 mpg and never out of overdrive on 6% grades. The dmax pickups get 20 mpg empty. Your lucky to get a best of 15 EVER with the 8.1. Absolutely no comparison!
Dave

[Chevy454]

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The dmax pickups get 20 mpg empty.

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I'd be hard pressed to say our Dmax has even gotten *close* to 20mpg...we had (and still have) the 8.1L, and heard all the "20mpg" quotes before we bought our Dmax, and thought it all sounded perfect: great fuel mileage *and* a better towing package, where do I sign! But we haven't seen it...mid-teens at best empty, probably. And then you figure in the all the extra cost @ every service interval, and then the 30 cent per gallon premium for diesel fuel (which I have *yet* to understand!). FWIW, the gentleman we bought our Dmax from pulls a 45ft horse trailer w/living quarters, and said he thought his 8.1L powered truck actually handled the load better and was *the* setup for heavy towing...but then again, he was selling the Dmax dually to help pay for the new Dmax powered TopKick he had sitting in his driveway! LOL!!

Don't get me wrong, I *love* our Dmax, and other than the obligatory injector failure and a burnt ring & pinion, the truck has been flawless...pulls our 45ft 2-car very well. But our 8.1L is a brute...I just wish I could plug into the harness and turn the wick up another 100hp like with our Dmax! Seems like I heard GM is doing away with the 8.1L this model year, though? Any word on that? I wish they'd pour the development into that powerplant like they did the LS series engines...

[BUIZILLA]

my 2006 Dmax 4WD gets right at 20 mpg at 75 mph, and 15.3-15.7 around town, 100% http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif without a doubt.

[bilede]

My 2005 4x4 duramax got 20 empty and 16 pulling open car trailer with 6000 pound chevy truck on it. sure miss that truck.

[m22mike]

I have a 01 Silverado 8' box, 8.1L, Allison, 3.73 gear. Bought it new and at the time did not feel I would get the use out of the Duramax, I only have 20K on the truck now.
I pull a 24' box and the thing can run 75 with little effort. I love the Allison, awsome tranny.
I see around 10 mpg when I tow and the same just around town, I love jack rabbit starts from a traffic light ! Hard to keep your foot out of it.
I do not think Chevy offers that motor anymore ??
One small issue with the my 8.1, since new I have always had to top off the oil about every 1500 mi. or so.
Mike

[YenkoYS-199Stinger]

My 05 Duramax with the Banks upgrade got 20-21mpg on the highway running 70-75 with stock wheels no trailer. When I put 20x9's with extra width rubber it dropped to 18-19 no trailer. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

My 01 8.1L got 10.0 unloaded at the same speeds. After I upgraded it to Hypertech Programmer only, it went up to 11.5mpg. I had to have one heck of a tailwind to get any better. Towning a trailer or the boat it dropped to 7mpg. I never had an oil issue with my 8.1 and it usually needed a quart when it was time to change the oil. I did put 230,000 miles on it and it still did not use oil. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Both of mine have been the 5 speed Allison and I love it. I did grenade one in my 05 with 120,000 miles. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif Thank god for sponsorship from the dealer. They put a new one in for $4400.00 out the door. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif All other dealers wanted $7000.00-$8500.00. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

If was was buying another new one this year I would do the Duramax again-no questions asked!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

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Chris
1967 Yenko Stinger YS-199
Southeast of Disorder

[ZL1mike]

2005 GMC HD Dmax with Triple Dog Power Pup with Outlook combo,,,
I will only purchase diesel trucks for hauling from now on.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[SmallHurst]

Rob,

You heard right. The 8.1 is dead. Largest gasser for GM is the 6.0 if I understand it correctly.

I am finding that the more things change, the more things stay the same. After I have worked the truck over, I am finding that I can get about 10 out of my old school with the 24' box on behind. Savin' my money for the petro to make it to Michigan! http://usera.imagecave.com/smallhurst/FordDually14.jpg

[71-LS6]

I just managed my best fuel mileage ever, from my 05' dodge cummins. I got a whopping 17.5 mpg from a truck with 3.73's, 4X4, DRW, and crew cab. Did I mention that I was limping home to get a new clutch installed after 85K miles? You duramax guys are killing me! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Has anybody here experienced a mileage increase after switching to the larger diameter 19" wheels? I've been told that you could run tractor-trailer tires and save $$ due to their superior tread wear characteristics.

[Chevy454]

Steve: physically, you *can* do that...but the trucks aren't really designed for it...I looked into it also, but the cons seemed to outweigh the pros. Everyone that had done it said the ride was horrible, they made the truck wander, but more they couldn't stop as well because of all the additional rotating mass. If you're worried about you legal rated GVW, I've read where a few guys have had their trucks re-tagged for more GVW...like us D/A guys, you Cummins guys have the AAM axle, which is actually rated at around 11k pounds...but due to the cheap tires that come on our trucks from the factory, they're stuck to like 8500 lbs or so...so, jump up to an F or G rated tire, print the certification info off of the AAM website, and you can legally up your GVW, and your DOT can retag it as such...or so they say. Adding airbags is supposed to help, also...

And don't feel bad about the mileage...our D/A dually doesn't see 20mpg either...http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[CamarosRus]

I'm trying to buy a 2003 Dodge-3500 Quad Cab, 2WD, (single rear tire), SIX SPEED, Cummins 5.9 HO.

Anybody have any experienced comments on this package......

Thanks,

[BARN FIND]

This may seem like a small thing but I have a 2003 Ram 2500 Quad Cab and the turning radius is kinda large. It is not easy to park in a lot. If I am going anywhere that parking might be a problem I take my Ford truck, it is the same length but compared to the Dodge it is down right agile. I think it is because the wheels actually physically turn sharper. Other than that I love the Dodge.

[CamarosRus]

I still need to buy a USED truck and opened this thread up so as to read nay new opinions.......given the significant price diff in diesel fuel.

I am interested in hearing more about the 8.1/Allison versus Duramax versus Cummins/manual transmission

This will be for towing and misc chores only, not driving to the grocery store or work !!!!!!!!!

[Chevy454]

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I am interested in hearing more about the 8.1/Allison versus Duramax versus Cummins/manual transmission

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There are some *very* good deals out there on any make/model of truck right now, in all price ranges...

What cab/bed configuration? Rough guesstimate on price? Amount & length of towing miles? Trailer size?

We've got both a Dmax & 8.1 (both with Allisons), and they both have there good/bad points, so ask away!

[IMO, a GM gas 2500HD is about the best bang for the buck right now...]

[ORIGLS6]

My son has an '02 Duramax/Allison 4WD Crew cab Dually. Not the easiest thing to maneuver in a parking lot but the thing has tons of power and pulls his 40' triple axle gooseneck like there's nothing behind him. He has an "Edge" programmable chip and on-the-fly controller in it, along with a K&N air box and 5" exhaust. Granted, he has some work on the truck but he's pulling down 20-22 mpg on the highway and still gets around 14 mpg towing the trailer with two 'Mud Trucks' on it. He constantly watches his mileage/fuel costs and is still convinced he's doing better $$$ wise with the Diesel vs. the 8.1. (However, he's very close to producing his own bio-diesel.) But he did tell me a few days ago that he has a lot of respect for the power of the 8.1.
With fuel costs as they are, you can buy these used trucks VERY reasonable right now.

For any upcoming long tows with my trailer (i.e. VF), I'll be borrowing his truck! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[Chevy454]

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Granted, he has some work on the truck but he's pulling down 20-22 mpg on the highway and still gets around 14 mpg towing the trailer with two 'Mud Trucks' on it.

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We have the exact same truck, and we don't get NEAR that kinda mileage...empty or loaded. Problem is, car trailers are basically rolling bricks, and eat power/mileage...in fact, we get about 10mpg with our single enclosed with the Dmax and about 8mpg or so with it behind the 8.1L...empty is around 16mpg & 11mpg, respectively (that's here in the hills/curves, both get a couple mpg better on interstate). But before we added the Edge/Attitude and did some other little tricks, we thought we weren't especially fond of the Dmax...

[ORIGLS6]

I agree. I notice a huge difference between pulling my 18' open trailer with a car on it vs. my 20' enclosed.
I like the analogy of the rolling brick. I used to describe my son's Jeep as having the aerodynamics of a brick pulling a parachute. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Chevy454]

Some numbers on my 2 trucks, per 1,000 miles (assuming diesel @ $4.30/gal & 16/10 mpg, gas @ $3.50 & 11/8 mpg):

<u>Unloaded</u>
Dmax: $268
8.1L: $318
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Dmax saves you $50 per 1,000 miles

<u>Loaded:</u>
Dmax: $430
8.1L: $437
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Dmax saves you $7.50 per 1,000 miles

Ironically, the more expensive fuel gets, the greater the savings will become with the Dmax (assuming the better mpg), but folks can't stand paying high-$4 to $5 per gallon of diesel, or having to pay well over $100 to fill it up...so they've been parking them!

[Chevy454]

I will say this, though, it's a HECK of a lot easier to crank out big power from our Dmax than our 8.1L! Just reach up and hit a button, and WHAM-O, 150 extra hp!!

[ORIGLS6]

Local prices today:

87 octane gasoline $3.89
89 octane gasohol $3.79
Diesel $4.84


Illinois taxes! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[Chevy454]

Hey Cumby: has your son had to have the injectors in that LB7 replaced yet?

[ORIGLS6]

Yep. And it was back in a couple of weeks ago for another fuel delivery issue, but I don't recall what it was. No real problem. Just something he had read and wanted to have checked out.
Did you have the whole 'Bosch return/rebuild debacle'? He was without the truck for two weeks.

[Chevy454]

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Did you have the whole 'Bosch return/rebuild debacle'? He was without the truck for two weeks.

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Yep...I was loaded and headed to Martin, MI, for a race when ours quit...unfortunately, it was *before* the final revised version of injectors, so I'm just waiting for it to happen again. The ballbuster is the LB7s are all running out of the 7/200 warranty and GM/Bosch has said they've ceased all R&amp;D on the injectors...so, no solution to the problem, and they are EXPENSIVE to fix on you own dime.

[ORIGLS6]

Time to trade up. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[CamarosRus]

Thanks for your expereinced opinions/comments.

Evidently no one on this web site (being G.M. muscle car owners) is a fan of the Dodge/Cummins with 6 speed stick.
I had been looking at a 2003 (non catalytic convertor) 3500 single rear tire Quad cab long bed six speed but could get seller to come down on price. He claims to get 20mpg empty with a stock cummins and hadnt pulled any box trailer to know.

If I go with a USED Chev/GMC truck I'm inclined to like the 2500 extended cab 2WD LONG bed. I want the long bed because it seems so much more useful when actually using the truck for misc chores, or possibly carrying a small camper when on the road with car trailer, (or has anybody made a bunk area in front of trailer?????)

What are some absolutes on buying a used Duramax regarding knowledge of previous maintenance. So many used trucks do not have proof of anything ?????

This truck will sit alot and I dont have a business to write it off against...........

Thanks,

[SS427]

Get the long box. My last three trucks had the intemediate box and now I am driving a long box. I MUCH prefer the added space of the long box dually and really have no trouble driving in parking lots or anywhere else. (It is just more expensive when you have blowouts http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif )

[YenkoYS-199Stinger]

Make sure to get a late 2004 or newer. In mid year they went to the LLY coded diesel.

Check out this link for what was changed:

http://www.thedieselpage.com/duramax/lly2004.htm

[nrjulin]

Chuck,

I am a big fan of the Chevy/ GMC Duramax trucks. I have a 2005 crew cab / short bed. All the different Duramax engines have their own little quirks / issues. I would recommend finding a truck in your price range and then visiting one of the Diesel Forums. I hang out at http://www.dieselplace.com they have a tremendous amount of information on all the Duramax engines with the known strengths and issues. There is even a section where someone will pull the build sheet and service record for your truck.

I can't comment on the mileage as my truck is not "stock" anymore but before the performance upgrades I was getting 20+ mpg.


Let me know if you need any more information.

Nils

[Chevy454]

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Evidently no one on this web site (being G.M. muscle car owners) is a fan of the Dodge/Cummins with 6 speed stick.

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The Cummins/manual trans setup is a dandy...but, a Dodge and a GM are *totally* different trucks...whereas the look/feel of the Dodge let you know you're in a truck, the GM models are more SUV or car-like. The Cummins is a good piece, but they've had some tranny &amp; rear problems in the past...but *all* of the makes have their issues.

Question: are you *dead set* on going diesel? you mention it will sit a lot, which ain't good for any vehicle, but is a little trickier for a diesel...

As for what to look for, here's some highs/lows of the Dmax:

'01-'04: LB7 Dmax engine, '01s had water pump &amp; head gasket problems, got that sorted out by '02, but then the ever popular injector problems popped up &amp; GM extended the warranty on the LB7s to 7yrs/200k miles (roughly a 10-12 hour job &amp; +/- $2,500 to replace injectors assuming you do it yourself, injectors are beneath valve covers so they're a booger to change)

'04.5-'06: LLY Dmax, got variable vein turbo &amp; better injector design (moved them out from under valve covers) but the newer design injectors have been known to hang open and crack/burn pistons...also, something in the rad stack got changed and they're prone to be overheaters (can be cured for $1,000)...in '06 the Allison became a 6-speed

As for proof of maintenance, not a lot to tell, as most of the Dmax related problems aren't maintenance related, but design related...and unfortunately, as is true with most diesels, when something fails, it's usually REALLY expensive! Complexity has it's costs...!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ORIGLS6]

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(roughly a 10-12 hour job &amp; +/- $2,500 to replace injectors assuming you do it yourself, injectors are beneath valve covers so they're a booger to change)

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And you can double that (or more) if you take it to the dealer!

[CamarosRus]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/795200212.html

Rob, This above Duramax is in Portland, OR

Seller bought this truck from Original (old man) in Florida at 50K miles and pulled a loaded trailer out to West Coast..truck now has 56K miles

Here's his story !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


"Hi Chuck, I towed a 40' 2 car hauler from Ga. loaded with 2 cargo trailers a 20' and a 16' had motorcycles in one and misc. in the other a total weight of 11,200. Tow rating for this truck is 12,950. Pulled with ease, no problems. I averaged 14 to16 mpg towing (he made side trip to N.C. before picking up trailers in GA) and 22 to 25mpg truck only, this truck has never been abused, not used as a work truck and was stored inside when not in use"

I still would like long bed, but probably could live with short................

[Chevy454]

The *2* in the 8th VIN position denotes it's an LLY ('04.5)...not a bad price, but being as it's a 2wd with the cloth bench non-Bose/XM setup, there's a fair amount of wiggle room down for sure...thing looks as sharp as a 2 headed tack, though!

[kwhizz]

Chuck.......I have a Non-Dually crew cab 2006 LBZ DuraMax/Allison completely "Stock"......I just came back from Towing my 24' enclosed trailer from Gettsyburg, Pa.....720 miles each way.......averaged 12.7 mpg running between 65 and 70 mph (When the truck was New I did the same trip and got 9.8....29,000 miles on it now)......GM did a heck of a job on this combo.....with the extended wheelbase, I didn't know that there was a trailer back there........No Comparison between Gas and Diesel......Done it both ways and the Diesel wins hands down..........

Ken

[Chevy454]

Chuck: being as you are wanting a long bed anyway, you should take a look at the 3500 trucks...there are some SERIOUS STEALS on them right now, and they'll all be long bed, with either a single or dual wheels.

[CamarosRus]

Thanks EVERYONE, I'm a terrible procratinator and dont want to regret this next purchase. I'm starting my 4 day heavy work schedule this evening, so will give ya'll a break.

I just dont know where to set my budget at, what I need and what I want, yada, yada..........

Best regards from Seattle

[Jonesy]

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http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/795200212.html

Rob, This above Duramax is in Portland, OR

Seller bought this truck from Original (old man) in Florida at 50K miles and pulled a loaded trailer out to West Coast..truck now has 56K miles

Here's his story !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


"Hi Chuck, I towed a 40' 2 car hauler from Ga. loaded with 2 cargo trailers a 20' and a 16' had motorcycles in one and misc. in the other a total weight of 11,200. Tow rating for this truck is 12,950. Pulled with ease, no problems. I averaged 14 to16 mpg towing (he made side trip to N.C. before picking up trailers in GA) and 22 to 25mpg truck only, this truck has never been abused, not used as a work truck and was stored inside when not in use"

I still would like long bed, but probably could live with short................

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I have a 2005 Duramax Crew Cab shortbox and I dont get near the mileage that guy gets. He must only drive 55-60 on the freeway. I get 15-17 around town and 17-18 on the highway at 75 mph. I hear all thes4e stories about great fuel mileage and all I have seen since I bought this thing new was maybe that I am getting 2 mile per gallon better than a gas truck! It pulls great, but I dont pull alot of stuff. I must have a lemon. Maybe I should letter up my truck http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Chevy454]

Yeah, that kinda mileage out of an LLY is a *bit* of a stretch...maybe he's using that "new math", though?! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Xplantdad]

Maybe he's driving downhill both ways? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Donnie]

well, I have a LLY with just over 9,000 miles on it and I get 19.3 empty on the highway and 12.2 pulling a 24' enclosed @ 65 to 68 MPH. and I do get a little over 18 around town and highway mixed.

[bilede]

My 2005 lly would get 20 consistently unloaded and got as high as 24 on the highway so mileage does vary from truck to truck, driver to driver.

[TN2Lane]

A couple of things re: mileage
-Rear end ratios - there are basically 2 available on 2500 &amp; 3500 GMs - 3.73 and 4.10. Most Duramax's have the 3.73, most 8.1s have (err...had) the 4.10. Check dieselplace.com - they've got a list of all the axle codes and their ratios.
-4WD - the 4x4 versions get 1-2 mpg less, even when running in 2WD mode. That front differential still has to turn, even when it's in neutral. Plus, 4x4s have more stuff to break. Unless you need 4x4 (planning on going off road, live in a blizzard zone, etc.), get a 2WD. 2WDs generally have less resale value, so if you're looking used that's a plus.

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[SmallHurst]

Plus, take another 1-2 off for duallies. Plus the 1-tons typically had the 4.1's. It all adds up, plus I don't think Rob has a level piece of ground around until he hits the interstate!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[Chevy454]

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A couple of things re: mileage
-Rear end ratios - there are basically 2 available on 2500 &amp; 3500 GMs - 3.73 and 4.10. Most Duramax's have the 3.73, most 8.1s have (err...had) the 4.10. Check dieselplace.com - they've got a list of all the axle codes and their ratios.
-4WD - the 4x4 versions get 1-2 mpg less, even when running in 2WD mode. That front differential still has to turn, even when it's in neutral. Plus, 4x4s have more stuff to break. Unless you need 4x4 (planning on going off road, live in a blizzard zone, etc.), get a 2WD. 2WDs generally have less resale value, so if you're looking used that's a plus

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From GM, you can *only* get a 3.73 in a Duramax...no choice...on the 8.1L, 3.73 or 4.10 (both of ours are 3.73).

As for the 4x4, if you *never* get off of concrete/asphalt or never see ice/snow, you'll be fine with a 2wd...but I'm here to tell ya, you can get in a pinch EASILY with a trailer in tow...been there, done that. A certain snow covered parking lot in Nebraska comes to mind... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[ORIGLS6]

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As for the 4x4, if you *never* get off of concrete/asphalt or never see ice/snow, you'll be fine with a 2wd...but I'm here to tell ya, you can get in a pinch EASILY with a trailer in tow...been there, done that.

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Gas, Diesel, propane, steam powered............ doesn't matter. If you're pulling a trailer and think you might EVER get off pavement,....get the 4WD.
I would gladly drive a 2WD truck as my daily driver, but I do tow my trailer a few times a year and HAVE used the 4WD more times than I care to remember. So,.... since I don't have the option of multiple trucks,... 4WD it is.

[Canuck]

I agree that a Diesel is the way to go for ultimate towing. When I bought My Yukon XL2500 in 03, there were no diesel options for the Suburban style Chev/GMC. I considered a Ford Excursion,because they offered a diesel. I chose the Yukon because it offered 4 wheel steering and beacause 90% of my driving is non towing and having tp park in conventional spots. My wife did not want to wrestle a 3/4 ton P/U around as well.
I just returned from a 6000 mile trip towing a 24 ft Well Cargo. After over 60 hous behind the wheel there was probably only 2 hours cumulative driving where I wished I had the grunt of a diesel. These were generally crossing mountain passes. For those instances I was down to 45-50 MPH and keeping the revs at 3000 -3300.
On the flat and modest grades the truck with 6.0 gas engine and the 480LE trans cruises nicely without a hint of 8000 Lbs out behind. I got 11 MPG on average for the trip.
If I had towing requirements more that 1 week a year I would switch to a diesel, for now the 4 wheel steering is the option that makes me want to keep the 03 for a while.

[Chevy454]

Canuck: my wife has a 496 powered Sub as her daily driver...thing pulls like a mule &amp; will FLY! She absolutely loves the thing...can't get her out of it for another rig (unless it's my truck!), 'cause I've been trying for a couple years. Also, it actually gets better fuel mileage than my 496 2500HD...both have 3.73s, but I'm guessing her 4L85E trans is more efficient than my Allison and her Sub is a bit more aerodynamic...if we can ever get to good road, she can knock down mid-teens...

[CamarosRus]

1999 Ford F250 2WD SuperCab Super Duty 7.3L V8 Diesel

111,000 Engine: V8 7.3L Turbo Diesel Transmission: 6 Speed Manual Drivetrain: 2WD

used car dealer asking $11,000

Thanks for your insight, opinions

Anybody have knowledge/expereince on this above type of vechicle............

[CamarosRus]

Any interesting truck talk at SCR XI ......... milage, complaints, towing pros cons ????????

[SS427]

Yeah! We made it there and back with NO flat tires!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

From there I pulled the trailer all the way back to MN (500 miles) on two tanks of gas so I was happy. Her truck is a one ton dually with a 454 and 4:10.

[Chevy454]

Dad used my 2500HD with the 8.1/Ally/3.73 combo to pull our 24' enclosed with a boat load of tools &amp; the too dog-gone heavy Red Alert inside...it's all hills &amp; curves between here &amp; Collinsville, and he said he got right around 8mpg...just a tad below the 10mpg we get with the Dmax...would be interesting to see what these trucks would do if they ran around flatland for a few days? But, he said he might actually prefer the 496 over the Dmax (at least with the little trailer)...except for the tiny fuel tank since it's a swb...guess that 90 gallon aux tank on the Dmax has spoiled him!

[CamarosRus]

I was/am attracted to a 2004 2WD Extended Cab Silverado Duramax in the state of Oregon. 36,000 miles one owner Low $20K
After seeing VIN # 8th digit indicates its a 1st generation LB7 (???) should I back away from looking ???????

[nrjulin]

Chuck,

Did you get the buildsheet I sent you for that truck? The build sheet shows it is an LLY Duramax.

Nils

[kwhizz]

Chuck.......Check out this site for additional info...

www.dieselplace.com (http://www.dieselplace.com)

Ken

[Chevy454]

If the #8 digit is a "1", then it is indeed an LB7...LLY would be a "2"...but while the LB7's did indeed have injector troubles (covered by factory warranty 7yr/200k miles), they are among the most reliable of the Dmax trucks...best mileage, best pistons, no cooling issues, no cats &amp; no egr, etc...

But with that said, that is a steep price for a 2wd extended cab LB7...you should be able to get into an LBZ with decent miles for that price, assuming you'd settle for a 2wd.

[CamarosRus]

Rob, What can be said about 2nd owner warranty ??????

and what can be said about price disparity between say the West Coast and the Mid West. What price level on NADA or KBB should a buyer be willing to pay for 1) a dealer or 2) a private party.....

Seems like most of the nice trucks are at dealers as a result of being traded in........

Thanks, Chuck

[Chevy454]

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What can be said about 2nd owner warranty ??????


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I believe it would be out of warranty time-wise...so, the only warranty that LB7 will have is the 7/200 on the injectors...early owner/low miles helps, but only adds peace of mind I suppose, 'cause in the end it's still a "used" truck...same issues are gonna get it as the 200k mile 12 owner truck around the corner...and the injector issues have no correlation with service upkeep at all. As for price, west coast folks seem to want a premium right now...Florida &amp; Texas are *great* places to buy trucks, as there are bunches in both states, and folks come for the winter but leave for the summer &amp; often times leave vehicles behind.

As for pricing between dealer/private party, you can almost always save money buying it from an individual...the crappy economy has really hurt HD truck owners, and a lot of them are bailing right now...the current downturn in the price of fuel is helping them a *tad*, but trucks are still flooding the market.

Just my $.02...

[Chevy454]

Just a quick look shows...

'07 LBZ, regular cab long bed 4x4, 30k miles, $21,000 (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261767)

'06 LBZ, ex. cab long bed 4x4, 128k miles, $20,000 (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=254356)

[amuseme]

I've been jonesing for a d-max for a good while now, but it looks like I'm keeping my old '99 crew/dually/2x4/454/4L80. Anyone know of a conversion to put a cummins in a Chevy?

[Chevy454]

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Anyone know of a conversion to put a cummins in a Chevy?

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Actually, "yes"...there was a small blurb in my last "Diesel Power" about a company building a drop-in Cummins conversion cradle for the '89-'00 Chevy trucks...several different mounting height/options...looked pretty cool. You can drop one of those manual ip 5.9's in just about anything now...!