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VintageMusclecar
04-20-2007, 03:20 AM
Just a heads-up;

I just had an ebay auction hijack my browser when I clicked on the link. It opened up about 20 additional windows on my computer before I could get my modem locked out, and it locked my computer up solid, had to manually shut it down and re-start it. Everything appears to be OK now, but I'm sure this was a hijacked auction with some sort of automatic re-direct code embedded in the auction.

Yes, I've reported it to eBay.

I would advise to browse eBay with caution, but there were NONE of the typical warning signs you normally see on these hijacked accounts. The ad was for a 427 Ford side-oiler engine.

I am just about finished with eBay for good. They have GOT to do something about their security flaws! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

Eric

budnate
04-20-2007, 03:32 AM
yea I read some scary stuff the otherday, these hackers are taking it to the next level and really can get ya if they want to...crazy times may be coming.

WILMASBOYL78
04-20-2007, 03:42 AM
I got an Ebay notice this morning for non-payment....pretty funny, considering I haven't bought anything http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif... the single best thing that could happen for the car hobby, next to Chevy releasing the VIN data http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif....would be for Ebay to close up shop!! They are the classic 800lb gorilla..totally out of control...yet we keep feeding it more bananas http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

wilma

Allen
04-20-2007, 03:58 AM
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I got an Ebay notice this morning for non-payment....pretty funny, considering I haven't bought anything http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif... the single best thing that could happen for the car hobby, next to Chevy releasing the VIN data http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif....would be for Ebay to close up shop!! They are the classic 800lb gorilla..totally out of control...yet we keep feeding it more bananas http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

wilma

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C'mon Tom.... you're on that Ebay rant again? Why not just bash the crooks and criminals instead of one of the many formats in which they operate?

There are people going door to door scamming people with poor construction work... does that make the construction industry crooked?

There are financial and insurance people scamming others out of their money.... do you still invest?

There are corrupt people in all forms of industry.... does that make it all bad?

Back to car stuff.... there are scammers at real-world swap meets.... should all swap meets be shut down?

On either this site or Steve's, someome was talking about getting scammed on some 12-bolt rear ends that were welded up. That's a real swap meet.... was Ebay at fault there too?

Redirect your anger at the PEOPLE committing the crimes, not at the environment where they operate, because EVERYTHING can be a place for corrupt people to do what they do - not just the Ebay that you love to hate.

Ebay doesn't scam people..... people scam people.

x Baldwin Motion
04-20-2007, 04:29 AM
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Ebay doesn't scam people... people scam people.

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my new bumper sticker http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

Verne_Frantz
04-20-2007, 04:48 AM
Banks, investment institutions and every government agency has at their disposal many professional security advisors and computer programers whos' job it is to set up a software framework whereby these scams are prevented from happening. Ebay is making as much money or MORE than any of them, yet they do not have the staff to perfrom the same protection of their software. Could they afford to hire the staff to put in the same safeguards...YES. Have they....NO.
Ebay may not be "causing" the problem, but they surely are NOT doing anything to prevent it!!! They deserve the criticism!
I can only imagine the unrest among their support staff who continually have to deal with these issues with ebay users, and who are probably paid peanuts, sitting in a 5x5 cubie with a headset on 24-7. "we're sorry sir, we will cancel your account and your auctions and you will not have to pay your listing fees. all you have to do is re-register and change your password..........."
That's ALL they do!!!!!!!!

If your bank left it's vault open all day and had no security at all, and crooks came in and took your money, would you blame the crooks or the bank for your loss?

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

lbnaz
04-20-2007, 04:55 AM
Hello, like I heard on a radio talk show yesterday "the spoon didn't make Rosie Odonnel fat". Larry

Charley Lillard
04-20-2007, 05:14 AM
As far as I know....The way a Ebay crook scams you is by sending you a fake message that looks like it is from Ebay...You then click on it's link and give them your password because you think you are merely logging onto Ebay. All of the scam emails they send you look perfect except a real ebay email also includes the real name you signed up under in addition to your Ebay user name. Ebay tells and tells people about this but paople still fall for it . If you think a message is from Ebay....simply go to Ebay all on your own, log on and go to your account. If it was real it will be there. If it was a scam it won't be there. If everyone did this the scammers would not be able to highjack the accounts. I am amazed that people blame Ebay when in reality they were not dealing with Ebay at all. They were just interacting with someone that simply copied a Ebay page and found a fish to fall for it.

WILMASBOYL78
04-20-2007, 05:17 AM
Verne, your insight is on the money....Ebay has a morale and ethical obligation to build safeguards into their system...yet little is done http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif As for Allen's comments....yes, I do bash Ebay....maybe I should bash the scammers and crooks...show me who the are and I will be happy to do so. The internet world operates behind the electronic curtain...I just wish we could bring it all out in the open...and for what it's worth, I applaud the honest and legit Ebay participants....I'm sure they far out weigh the crooks...I just think they could do a much better job of house cleaning their own system...they certainly have the $$$ to do the job...


wilma http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

Born30YrsLate
04-20-2007, 05:32 AM
I got some of those stating that my account was suspended because of item nonpayment...it all looks real until you look at the web address of link that they want you to click on...then its obvious...

Mr70
04-20-2007, 05:51 AM
<u>"If you think a message is from Ebay....simply go to Ebay all on your own, log on and go to your account. If it was real it will be there. If it was a scam it won't be there"...</u>

I just want to understate this again,as more people need to understand how this can resolve so much.
Click on your MY EBAY button at the top of the Ebay page.
Once there,click on MY MESSAGES on the lefthand column of that page.
If it's honestly from Ebay,you will see it there.

WILMASBOYL78
04-20-2007, 06:18 AM
Been thinking this over...Ebay is not to blame..it's really Al's fault....if he didn't invent the internet...we wouldn't have these problems http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

wilma

Verne_Frantz
04-20-2007, 06:37 AM
Give it up Tom. They're all smarter than we are. We just don't know enough not to click on the wrong thing...
BY the way, if ebay isn't doing anything wrong, why do we still see cowl tags, "novelty" build sheets and other "recreated" documents listed?

Could it be that a $3.00 listing fee is more important than preventing a $100.000. fraud???? I guess I have that wrong too........... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

427king
04-20-2007, 06:59 AM
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BY the way, if ebay isn't doing anything wrong, why do we still see cowl tags, "novelty" build sheets and other "recreated" documents listed?


[/ QUOTE ] We cant really blame ebay for those items as they are legal to sell everywhere else.

Allen
04-20-2007, 07:10 AM
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Give it up Tom. They're all smarter than we are. We just don't know enough not to click on the wrong thing...
BY the way, if ebay isn't doing anything wrong, why do we still see cowl tags, "novelty" build sheets and other "recreated" documents listed?

Could it be that a $3.00 listing fee is more important than preventing a $100.000. fraud???? I guess I have that wrong too........... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

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No one is talking about who's smarter and who isn't. It's more about an educational process of learning how to protect yourself and avoid situations that aren't legitimate and are scams. In the real world (not internet), it's called street smarts and applies to your safety and finances and everything else. I have no doubt that most everyone on here all ready knows that.

While the internet is a new area to learn about, the same principles apply. Use your knowledge and apply them. If something doesn't feel right about a situation, don't do it.

Regarding Ebay, both Mr70 and Charley spelled it out. They offered up direct tips in a couple of areas. Type "how to avoid Ebay fraud" in Google and read a little. Ebay isn't scamming you (except for maybe their fees http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif ). It's either a few users of Ebay, or more often, people sending FAKE emails PRETENDING to be from Ebay when they're really not.

As far as cowl tags and build sheets and restamped stuff and whatever else that people try to sell on there, it's all available on other websites too. You can also buy them at swap meets. Plus sellers of stuff like that also advertise in Hemmings! Does Hemmings police their ads? They're selling an ad for the same almighty dollar that everyone else wants, just like Ebay sells an auction for one, and just like some website hosts allows server space to someone selling things that most car folks don't agree with (such as Trim Tags).

Ebay is probably run by a bunch of computer system and marketing gurus, not classic car enthusiasts. They also have millions of auctions run through their system and pretty much aren't experts in anything except trying to keep that system running to generate revenue. They won't ever be able to effectively police what people are selling, and I don't ever expect them too. They provide a forum for trading - just like the Flea Market and Swap Meet and junk yard and anywhere else - and people need to approach all with the same degree of caution and common sense.

SuperNovaSS
04-20-2007, 07:41 AM
Well said Allen.


Jason

427TJ
04-20-2007, 09:14 AM
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Well said Allen.

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I'll second that.

Verne_Frantz
04-20-2007, 06:15 PM
Well Allen, everything you said makes sense, but I still wonder if ebay could put some software security in place that would prevent someone from copying a listing, etc. I'm so leary about messages I receive that I actually reported an email that turned out to really be from ebay....!

As for cowl tags and the like, I just don't see it as black and white due to the legality of it. I see it as an ethical issue. One can buy firearms and tobacco in every state, however ebay bans those listings, so they can pick and chose what they ban. Yes, yes, I know they are being sold elsewhere, but no where with the audience of buyers that ebay has. I'm very concerned about the ethics (or lack thereof) in our hobby today, and I feel that ebay is turning their back on the problem. And it's not like they haven't received letters from me and many others who have tried to get them to ban the listings of cowl tags. There is currently legislation going through Oklahoma that will make their sale illegal. Maybe once that passes, ebay will have to comply.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gifVerne

nuch_ss396
04-20-2007, 10:37 PM
Verne &amp; Tom!

Ditto on your eBay thoughts! Like most of us here, eBay has
been a mixed blessing for me in terms of finding those long sought
after SHP parts. However, I've gotten burned too.

I absolutely agree that eBay makes tons of money and should
do much more to stop this junk from happening. The only
way this will stop is if eBay starts to loose revenue.

Remember, http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif walks, money talks.

Steve

nuch_ss396
04-20-2007, 10:41 PM
I'm not so sure Chuck. eBay will not allow firearms or
Nazi related items for auction; to name a couple of examples.

Nazi items are available all over the world, so why not eBay? Same holds for guns too. It's a business choice.

Steve

427king
04-20-2007, 11:19 PM
I guess its like msnbc firing Don Imus. They are ok with everything until members cancel thier memberships thus costing the venue money. Possibly if a hundred?? or so members cancelled thier ebay accounts and gave their reasons as not agreeing with ebays policy on fake paperwork sales,ebay might finally do something about it.

olredalert
04-21-2007, 05:24 AM
-----Verne,,,I understand what you and others say about cowl tags but in the interests of fairness, they do deteriorate (corrosion and simple damage) and sometimes it would seem that a repro would be in order. Also, well meaning owners that have either started or completed restos that have removed their cowl tags to paint their cars (I know, I know, a mistake but frequently done) and then misplaced the tags need some way to rectify their problem. There was a cowl tag pictured on this sight just the other day that had eroded badly, and the rivets were also in horrible shape. What happens to the guy who wants to do a complete and correct resto on that car??? If the cowl tag rivets and cowl tags are banned I guess honest guys are just out of luck??? Seems to me that we would be throwing the baby out with the bath water. Obviously, not everyone is honest but why should honest guys loose out???
-------You may have read between the lines and noticed that I dont mention redone serial # tags. I do agree with everyone that those have no place on a car unless totally done legally and with legal supervision but we know that just doesnt happen.........Bill S

Verne_Frantz
04-21-2007, 06:34 AM
Bill,
You ask what would honest guys do? Well, I know a good honest guy who restored a car that had the entire top of the cowl rotted away! The cowl tag was a "see-through". What did he do? He restored the car to #1+, won every national award it could win with it, and guess what? He put the rotted original cowl tag back on it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif
THAT'S an honest guy in my book. He has my respect. Once you change a cowl tag with a repro, all bets are off. There's no telling what the original was. It automatically casts a doubt of the real origin of the car.
I stand by my belief that the cowl tag should NOT be considered to be a reproduction part. There is only but ONE that should be there. IF it's gone, then that's just too bad. That's what history has done to that car. That's why some are worth more than others.
I'm not argueing with you, I'm just stating my opinion. My feelings about this subject are VERY strong and entirely unwavering. No cowl tag should EVER be replaced on a car (except the original after restoration). If the original is gone......well, then it's just gone.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gifVerne http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif