Micheal Moore

[Kim_Howie]

What a moron!!!! "poster child for vasectomies"

[ORIGLS6]

Speaking of surgical procedures.................... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[jtower1969]

He's taking a swing at my industry this time. A few years ago we were told to watch out because Mr. Moore was offering 50k to set up a camera in a doctors office to film the Pharma reps in action. How is 50 thousand dollars not considered a bribe??? I could only offer a steak at Peter Luggers in hopes of getting more than 30 seconds to discuss my product.

[Xplantdad]

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God...that was so funny that I laughed my "ASS" off! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Mr. Chevy]

HE LOOKS LIKE A REAL DORK WITH THAT BASEBALL CAP ON AND NEEDS TO DROP ABOUT 200 LBS!!

[427TJ]

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HE LOOKS LIKE A REAL DORK WITH THAT BASEBALL CAP ON AND NEEDS TO DROP ABOUT 200 LBS!!

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Careful, you might have just insulted some of us who wear baseball hats and need to lose weight...

[Kim_Howie]

That's it pick on the sick. Sickos http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Bill you aready have proved your not dumb. Can't say that for Moore!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Xplantdad]

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That's it pick on the sick. Sickos http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

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Who...me? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hope you are feeling better Kim! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Kim_Howie]

WAA http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Thanks Bruce http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif BACK TO THE SOFA

[ORIGLS6]

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BACK TO THE SOFA

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So how is today different than .......any other day? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



(Like you expected sympathy........... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif)

[agtw31]

somebody has to do what he does.

[427TJ]

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Bill you aready have proved your not dumb. Can't say that for Moore!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

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Thanks Kim! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

I'll say this about health care in this country: the moment it became a for-profit industry we humans became too expensive to care for. The current HMO system is set up to deny care in every possible instance, much the same as in any insurance company: limit the payout any way possible. Cost control is KING in business and the only way to control cost in the HMO industry is to place a limit on the number of people who actually receive care.

Ask yourself what you would want if you or your children got sick, like cancer sick. Would you want the best care available or would you allow yourself to be ignored and stonewalled by insurance companies? If you're lucky you and your family will be covered and actually get the best care available. Most of us will have to sell our homes, our cars, cash-in our savings and hope to God that we survive our illness and then work our way back to health, both physically and financially.

In fairness to the HMO industry I will put on my HMO CEO hat: How do I preserve profits and reward myself and my shareholders with the highest possible rate of return? I'll have to limit the payout and the best way to do that is to limit the number of people who actually receive care. If I can keep that number as low as possible while the premiums/pay-in remain at high levels then we make money. That is the CEO's job: make money. (Making large sums of money can be an unsightly and dark process, as we see here.)

The current system allows people to die on a cost-benefit analysis basis. If the HMO thinks you're going to die anyway then they deny coverage outright or stonewall you until you die.

Michael Moore or no Michael Moore, the US health care system is set up for profit FIRST and the actual providing of care is a distant second. It is a HUGE problem and there probably won't be an answer to how we deal with it in our lifetimes, Hillary Clinton or no Hillary Clinton.

Old people always tell you, "If you have your helath that's all you need." It has never been more true.

Oh, and as repulsive as Moore is to some people, he does make you think, and that's what HMO's definitely don't want you to do! Don't ask questions either. If the HMO puts you on hold for hours, week after week, month after month, and you finally give up and never call back then they have succeeded in controlling cost by preventing a payout. Mission accomplished.

(I have not seen Moore's movie.)

[kwhizz]

Bill........I think the Lawyers of the World feel that the Insurance Companies and Doctors are their own personal "Piggy Banks" to be at War with......Bottom Line.....Who pays the additional "Burden".....By the way, How did John Edwards make all his Money........and he's concerned about the "Poor".....Yeah, Right.....
It's a War with the "Undocumented American's" as Harry Reid call's them, now coming into the mix......Guess who pay's..............??????

Ken
(Guilty as Charged)

[agtw31]

some of the largest personal injury law firms in this country are the biggest contibutors to the republican party.

look it up,it is a fact.

[kwhizz]

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some of the largest personal injury law firms in this country are the biggest contibutors to the republican party.

look it up,it is a fact.

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I'm sure it go's both way's ......So what's your point .....I said nothing about Political Party's.....just stating "Reality"..........

Ken

[427TJ]

I hear you Ken and we agree more than we disagree on the details. All I said was that it is a HUGE problem and there probably won't be an answer to how we deal with it in our lifetimes.

We are already paying, by the way. Poor people and the uninsured are already flooding the health care system. Go to any emergency room almost any time of day to see the poor, the unemployed, illegals, you name it, they are already in there 50 or more deep. We really don't have a homeless problem in my local area nor are there a lot of poor people--until you go to the emergency room. These people don't care about Michael Moore or insurance or what it costs, they have bypassed all that and gone to the hospital. It's the rest of us who pay our HMO premiums (and taxes!) and then get dicked-around by our HMOs. Somebody tell me who's the smart one here?

By the way, anybody see the story about the Mexican lady who died on the floor of an ER waiting room in Los Angeles a few days ago? Witnesses even called 911 from the waiting room as she vomited blood and died and no one from the hospital staff (as far as we know at this point) did anything to help her. The 911 operator put the blame on the caller! There's probably more to this story but it doesn't look good so far.

As for lawyers, they are into everything. Everything lucrative, that is. (I know, lawyers gotta' eat too.)

As for John Edwards, I am not impressed with anyone running for president in 2008. I'm still not ruling-out a late entry by Jeb Bush, say, by next spring, jumping in as the man on horse-back come here to save us. Iraq's a mess though so he may cough twice and pass this time.

We do live in interesting times.

[kwhizz]

We do live in interesting times


Bring back "Boston Blackie"


Ken

[427TJ]

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[Denis]

My wife cannot get _any_ medical insurance in the U.S. because she _had_ Hep C and even though she was cured we just can't qualify. We use our AAA card to get discounts on prescription drugs. Neither of us has employer insurance. I'm holding on to my Canadian citizenship so's we can scoot back soon as something serious comes down.

This to say you dudes should maybe put aside your pre-conceived opinions of Michael Moore and listen to what he has to say about this health care situation.

I'll bet there are other folks on this website with similar stories. I've lived in Canada, England, and U.S.-- our 3 kids were born in all 3 countries -- so, I have a somewhat 'informed' opinion on the matter.

[427TJ]

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This to say you dudes should maybe put aside your pre-conceived opinions of Michael Moore and listen to what he has to say about this health care situation.

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Amen, bro.

[Mr. Chevy]

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[Mr. Chevy]

Quote: Careful, you may have just insulted some of us who wear baseball caps and need to loose weight.

No Sir, I do not mean to insult anyone here on the site!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[kwhizz]

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Amen, bro.

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Michael Moore is an opportunist that has learned how to work the system thru "Hype" and "Hysteria" and has "Blended" himself well into "Hollywood, I can walk on water" crowd very well......I'm sure Michael Moore's Educational background qualify's him as an Expert in reference to the (I use the term Loosely) Movie's he get's involved in.........I am very amused (in general) by the people that get caught up in Hanging on to every word that comes out of a "So called" Hollywood Celebrity's mouth.....my God ...these are "Actors"....that probably couldn't hold a job at McDonalds...........Better stop now before I get into trouble......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Just my $.02

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif

[Schonyenko2]

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my God ...these are "Actors"....that probably couldn't hold a job at McDonalds...........Better stop now before I get into trouble......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Just my $.02

So that's how Reagan got elected president. He couldn't get on at Mickie Dees. Has ole Fred Thompsen been rejected too? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif Why shoot, I'd even eat there if they'd hire ole fat Rush, and get him off the air waves. "Little ceegar ash with those fries lady"?
It's all good Whizzer. You and me don't agree on much either, but I bet we could get together and work out something for the good of everybody faster than those boys in the belt way. Respect for each others opinions and concerns, and a willingness to work together for the common good. Not Haliburton, not bp oil, not drug companies, not organized labor. The good decent folks of this great country.
As for our good friend Mr. Howie. I hope your doing well. I don't think I've ever known any Democrats to have had your affliction. Must just be something that" boils" up with that GOP anger. My gosh! If Dubya gets that immigration through, there could be butts exploding all over America. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif "Good night, and good luck". http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[kwhizz]

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my God ...these are "Actors"....that probably couldn't hold a job at McDonalds...........Better stop now before I get into trouble......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Just my $.02

So that's how Reagan got elected president. He couldn't get on at Mickie Dees. Has ole Fred Thompsen been rejected too? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif Why shoot, I'd even eat there if they'd hire ole fat Rush, and get him off the air waves. "Little ceegar ash with those fries lady"?
It's all good Whizzer. You and me don't agree on much either, but I bet we could get together and work out something for the good of everybody faster than those boys in the belt way. Respect for each others opinions and concerns, and a willingness to work together for the common good. Not Haliburton, not bp oil, not drug companies, not organized labor. The good decent folks of this great country.
As for our good friend Mr. Howie. I hope your doing well. I don't think I've ever known any Democrats to have had your affliction. Must just be something that" boils" up with that GOP anger. My gosh! If Dubya gets that immigration through, there could be butts exploding all over America. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif "Good night, and good luck". http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Maybe it's time to flush the "Big Porcelein" bowl in Washington and get rid of them "ALL".....get normal people in there and these complicated "Issues" could be resolved in a day or two......Can you say "Logic and Common Sense"........which is no longer understood since "Lawyers" and "Money" took over.........You're Right Schoyne.....we could "Fix it"............

Ken

[ORIGLS6]

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Maybe it's time to flush the "Big Porcelein" bowl in Washington and get rid of them "ALL".....get normal people in there and these complicated "Issues" could be resolved in a day or two......

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Our Constitution states that we have the right overthrow any government we aren't happy with, and establish a new one. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Try it! But be prepared to wake up in Bolivia wondering what the H#ll happened............... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[GRB]

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Maybe it's time to flush the "Big Porcelein" bowl in Washington and get rid of them "ALL".....get normal people in there and these complicated "Issues" could be resolved in a day or two......

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Yes, but be prepared to be the next Ruby Ridge or Waco example. This govt. like all govt. throughout history is gaining power and corruption to the point that the former "America" no longer exist. And like people getting old and losing their health; it's inevitable. Our children and their children will despise us for letting all this happen on our watch!
Our Constitution states that we have the right overthrow any government we aren't happy with, and establish a new one. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Try it! But be prepared to wake up in Bolivia wondering what the H#ll happened............... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

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[GRB]

Those last two sentences in the above post are not mine? WTH???

[Mr70]

I like Michael Less.

[NapsterNova]

Oh boy http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Kim_Howie]

HERE is the real problem with health care today!!! YOU, ME & THEM ,in other words ALL of us period. I started in the Insurance bus. 35 years ago,we didn't sell health care Insurance. We sold major Medical Hospital plans. They covered hospital stay no Dr bills. First thing people complained it didn't cover the dr. bills, so the dr. put you in the hospital, now it's covered. The expense went up FAST. Now the insurance companies came up with out patient care, we complained about it next. Their complaint was were sent home Tooo early. The costs today are direct results from wanting everything covered. We are all to blame for this, drs. lawyers, patients & the public. Bill you can't blame the Insurance Companies by trying to drop the cost. Again THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED!!!! Denis you stated your wife can't get health insurance because of health problems. Every state in the USA offers COMP HEALTH PLANS. It's the law.Again we wanted this. Check with your Insurance Agent. We live in the greatest Country in the WORLD and we still complain!!! We have the best health care in WORLD bar none. The system is not broken. If you think federal health care is the answer ask the boys up north how will that's working out for them. If you have a heart att. there you have 37% chance of making it!! WOW We are a country of SPOILED BRATTS with 69% of us are dissatisfied. MICHEAL MOORE IS STILL A IDIOT. Sorry for my rant. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Keith Tedford]

Back in the early spring of 2002 I started having chest pains when exerting myself. I've been known to do that once in a while. With the speed of our system an attempted angioplasty wasn't performed until late in the fall. By then the artery was completely blocked. Fortunately for me, the heart had created a bypass artery on its own. Didn't know that happened before. I might be pushing up daisies by now if it hadn't. Lineups for treatments are so long that people are being shipped south of the border to Buffalo and other places to get emergency surgery done.....at the extra cost to our health care system. Here in Peterborough, they are tearing down a perfectly good hospital that was built in 1950 so that they can build a new one. Like anything government run, they can't seem to spend enough money. Perhaps they should tear down every house in town that was built before 1950. That might get a few people's attention. Shouldn't complain too much though. We don't lose everything if we get sick. Something to be said for that. Of courser we are one of the highest taxed population in the world. Wonder why?

[Schonyenko2]

Sometimes when you use a "quote" it separates above, and below what you wrote.

[Norm reynolds]

Kim
I have to disagree My wife had been laid off two months ago
Me I am on disability and have Medicare My wife has been looking for a job BUT when you hit 55 + no one WILL hire you Any way I have been trying to get Medical Insurance for my wife and this is what am told Since she is a diabetic no insurance company will give her health insurance . I do not know what law you are talking about because after two month s of trying she can not get health insurance. So I know Denis is right here. The insurance companies are all out for them self’s I hate them with a passion
Think what you want but the insurance companies WILL NOT gave you heath insurance
If you have an health issue I know I have tried
Don’t think Michael Moore is far from the truth Most Heath insurance companies are bad new’s

[Kim_Howie]

Norm, Call your state Insurance dept.they can tell about it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Norm, PA Ins Dept. # is 1-877-881-6388 or www.insurance.stat.pa.us (http://www.insurance.stat.pa.us) I think this is the # For the state ins plan 1-800-GO-BASIC Try these. Kim http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[ANDY M]

Insurance companies are legalized bookmakers. You bet that something bad will happen, they examine the risk involved (think of it as making the point spread), and bet that it won't happen. Low risk, lower premium. High risk, high or no premium. Like Norm, I too am on disability, but thank God that my wife works for the state. Without her, I would not be on this board, much less the internet.
Michael Moore is not a liar, but is very good at giving up selective information for you to see his point of view. He states facts that prove his point of view, but with no objectivity. Like it or not, the truth is an ugly beast, but it can be twisted like a pair of knickers. There is always the Bell Curve in effect, between outright lies at one end and pure truth at the other. Seek first to understand, so that you can be understood. Better to take a stance based on facts, than an opinion based on emotions. JMHO

[Kim_Howie]

Andy, I don't ever remember being called a leglized bookmaker when I deliver a life insurance check to new widow. In fact I'm the only one that gives her anything except flowers & condolences.

[L-79 Nova]

My brother waited two months for his wife's life insurance check. I wonder what they used that money for?

[Kim_Howie]

What was the reason it took that long? Did they tell him why??

[GRB]

Micheal Moore is a liar. Ignoring the truth is the essence of lying. It also allows the liar to magnify his lies. MM and his ilk MUST lie to destroy capitalism....the truth will never harm the greatest economic system ever devised by man.

[ANDY M]

Kim, I did not mean to "shoot the messenger". Every insurance company has an actuary department to establish the amount of risk involved in issuing a policy. Hence, they are making the spread. If the insurer requires a physical before issuing a life policy, they want to bet that the policy holder won't die before the premium check is cashed.
You know all of this. I meant nothing personal. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[L-79 Nova]

Just kept giving him the runaround. I suspect short term interest scam, as it was alot of cash! Ron...

[Belair62]

The state run insurance in Illinois is called CHIP I believe. I would not be able to get private insurance either because I have a per-existing condition. The state plan is a lottery type deal...you don't just get in when you want to.

[Norm reynolds]

Kim I will try Monday with the # you gave
She went on three interviews this week all three time’s they hire some one much younger
It sucks to get old I am worried about getting her heath insurance and I am getting tried getting the door slammed in my face http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
To old to get a job and then having diabetes is not her http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif fault.
Yes the golden years http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Schonyenko2]

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[kwhizz]

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Schoyne.............We are probably going to be asked to choose a person for the "Most Powerful" position in the World who couldn't even find some Papers (Rose Law Firm Records) that were sitting on a table, in a Hallway, in The Whitehouse.......Hummmm!!!.......Do you know the meaning of the word "IS".........................LOL.......They are all the same..........

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Clinton IS perfect right!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

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[GRB]

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Welcome to Hell Mr. and Mrs. Clinton, now let's read the list of crimes together. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Kim_Howie]

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[Schonyenko2]

I knew that would bring you back. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Ken Starr tried his best, and was unable to get a conviction on the Whitewater issue. Do I think the Clinton's are blameless? Nah http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif Seems like ole tricky Dick lost 18 minutes of his life back somewhere that was never found either. He got pardoned, as I expect Mr. Libby will also. Mr Libby was convicted, and sentenced for perjury/lying to a grand jury by a Republican leaning prosecutor. Damn, Alberto missed that one. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
You can beat on the Clintons all you like. Ole Hill may get the boot for Mr. Obama. (I can hear some anal anxiety over that one too). http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I have a great deal of respect for the traditional Republican party. Everet Dirksen comes to mind. Chuck Hagel, and Chuck Grassley serving now. And while I respectfully disagree with them on many issues, I've also agreed on many. Republicans, as a rule are stoic, fiscally responsible, devoted to individual rights, and freedoms, and usually very competent. This administration is not. Most Democrats felt comfort in the knowledge after Bush was elected the first time that at least Colin Powell would steer him in the right path. Obviously he didn't listen to him, and here's where we are.
You all can hate ole Mikie Moore. I tend to think he expects it. But maybe you should go back and listen to Pat Buchanan.He's one of your own, and he's not happy with Mr. Bush.
As far as the Clinton's in Hell, now that's pretty harsh. I can think of far worse folks who ought to have their butts singed by ole beelzebob.
Let me share a personal moment that I had a couple of weeks ago that kinda speaks a little on America. I was at a parade in Long Grove for their Strawberry fest. Down the road came the color guard. Two people removed their hats as the colors passed. Me, and and old timer wearin a shirt, and hat that said"gimme that old time religion".
Patriotism makes for strange bed fellows. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[kwhizz]

Dump them "All"..........and let's start over with "Normal" people in Power......No Politician's and "NO" Lawyers..........(Did I say "NO" Lawyers)

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

99% of Lawyers make the other 1% look Bad

[Chris396]

I don't think you can have a politician who is normal. A normal person who doesn't have some sort of personality disorder wouldn't be attracted to the job. By the time you get to the president you weed out people who are sane. Same thing with entertainers. To get to the top you almost have to have something wrong with you mentally.

[Schonyenko2]

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Chris, some of us polititions actually take the job in the hope that we can bring people together for the common good of all. That somewhere down the road, you will have left things better than they were, and perhaps touched someones life, and made it better. We're not all bad. But you're right about the crazy thing. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Ps: to Mr. Howie. Congrats on your first fathers/ grandfathers day.May the two of you share many more. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[1970Bluel78]

KIM, I cannot believe you make it sound like YOU are giving the money to the Widow out of your pocket. C'mon, be real. That person paid a premium over time. It's business and you are the middle man

[Kim_Howie]

I didn't act or sound like that!!! I spent a LOT of late nights Talking people into the Ins. And I'm glad I did period!!! I'm done talking Ins. !!!

[Rainer]

[ QUOTE ]
I didn't act or sound like that!!!

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually, it did sound that way...

[Chris396]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I don't think you can have a politician who is normal. A normal person who doesn't have some sort of personality disorder wouldn't be attracted to the job.

[/ QUOTE ]

Chris, some of us polititions actually take the job in the hope that we can bring people together for the common good of all. That somewhere down the road, you will have left things better than they were, and perhaps touched someones life, and made it better. We're not all bad. But you're right about the crazy thing. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Ps: to Mr. Howie. Congrats on your first fathers/ grandfathers day.May the two of you share many more. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]I think there's a lot of good people at the local level of politics, but by the time you get to senators congressmen and up, most of the normal people are weeded out.

[Johnny Horsepower]

[ QUOTE ]
Micheal Moore is a liar. Ignoring the truth is the essence of lying. It also allows the liar to magnify his lies. MM and his ilk MUST lie to destroy capitalism....the truth will never harm the greatest economic system ever devised by man.

[/ QUOTE ]

Amen!

Moore is deceptive to his point's advantage.
deception=lying

[agtw31]

some proof Michael moore lied would validate your opinion.

if you think Michael Moore is an anti-capitalist,you are dead wrong.

[kwhizz]

[ QUOTE ]
some proof Michael moore lied would validate your opinion.

if you think Michael Moore is an anti-capitalist,you are dead wrong.

[/ QUOTE ]



Any Proof that in the Big Picture of any "Truth" that he presents would also Validate his position.......Cherry Picking facts in an "Unperfect" world is pretty easy.....Our System isn't perfect......but it's pretty good....Is it Unfair to some........Yes........Is it fair to "Most"..........Yes........
Again........Mr. Moore is an "Opportunist"........And is in it to make "Radical Left" positions popular to people who are incapable of sorting it out for themselves........or the "World Owes Me" people.....

My $.02 again

Ken
Who has what he worked for.......

[Kim_Howie]

Very well spoken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[ORIGLS6]

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Ken
Who has what he worked for.......

[/ QUOTE ]

And more importantly........... worked for what he has.

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Ken
Who has what he worked for.......

[/ QUOTE ]

And more importantly........... worked for what he has.

[/ QUOTE ]

Worked hard and sacrificed...a LOT! And is an awesome guy, too! He should slow down through the speed traps though... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[kwhizz]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Ken
Who has what he worked for.......

[/ QUOTE ]

And more importantly........... worked for what he has.

[/ QUOTE ]

Worked hard and sacrificed...a LOT! And is an awesome guy, too! He should slow down through the speed traps though... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[/ QUOTE ]


$mart A$$'$.................LOL .........(Guilty as Charged)

Ken

[Xplantdad]

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[Johnny Horsepower]

[ QUOTE ]
some proof Michael moore lied would validate your opinion.

if you think Michael Moore is an anti-capitalist,you are dead wrong.

[/ QUOTE ]

The name of the movie escapes me, but there was a rebuttal to Farenhiet 911 that interviewed many of the people in the film who were completely taken out of context. They felt, and stated so in this film, that there words were twisted and edited to suport his views. It also debunked an article from a Bloomington Il paper as well as the entire school book reading episode when The President was told of the attacks. it is a short film, a little more than an hour, but i suggest you give it equal time. I did. I watched both and took them for what they are worth. But, there is definately proof, that he was deceptive to give the appearence of opinions and situations that were not true.

Hope that answers your question.

JOHN

[Johnny Horsepower]

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

Here is a link to the movie "farenHYPE 911"
Also this page lays out in print form some or most of 59 deceipts in Moore's "film"

Truth be told, i hate to say, i really think the guy is an A$$!

John

[agtw31]

[ QUOTE ]
[url=http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm]http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm[/url

Here is a link to the movie "farenHYPE 911"
Also this page lays out in print form some or most of 59 deceipts in Moore's "film"

Truth be told, i hate to say, i really think the guy is an A$$!

John

[/ QUOTE ]

what makes what they had in that documentary any more truthful than what Michael Moore had in his??

why isnt Bush in their documentary debunking the affilation with the Bin Laden family and saudi arabian oil cartels?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[GRB]

He's got a new documentary coming out about the PERFECT health care sys. the Cubans enjoy. Probably all truth too! I'm thinking about moving there just based on what MM and Jimmy 'peanut king' and star of 'I married a Zombie and we produced two brain dead feakazoids' Carter.

[Kim_Howie]

Andy 50 years ago our Govt. made a pack with the Saudi govt you don't peak under the covers and we won't also. Bush had NOTHING to due with that at age 8. Try blameing him for something else. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
... Jimmy 'peanut king' and star of 'I married a Zombie and we produced two brain dead feakazoids' Carter.

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif Man! That's a mouthful... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Johnny Horsepower]

[/ QUOTE ]

what makes what they had in that documentary any more truthful than what Michael Moore had in his??

why isnt Bush in their documentary debunking the affilation with the Bin Laden family and saudi arabian oil cartels?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Andy, before you make yourself to look any more like a child going "nah nah" You should at least read some of the points or see the other film. I did. It will explain to you what was done and what is fact, including explanations from the people themselves who were edited to make the appearence of something else. But to sit hear and say why is this one not a lie, is not a valid adult argument. I offered you documented proof that you asked for and you took no time to explore it with an open mind. If i wanted to debate with people who just repeat their statement louder, i could go find any left wing liberal to do that.
Rent the movie, and THEN make an arguement and SUPPORT it.

I am always willing to hear both sides.

Respectfully,

John

[ANDY M]

Today on NPR there was a piece on Michael Moore.
Read the summary or click on "listen to this story".
Imagine the indignity of MM questioning NPRs liberal bias.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11208212

[kwhizz]

Thank "God" that Al Gore invented the Internet so we can have these discussions............ http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[kwhizz]

Besides that......Look at Rosie claiming that the Bush Administration was behind the Blowing up of the World Trade Center Buildings........and the audience applauded.....How Sick is that.......But.......there is a certain Percentage of the Population that actually believe it.......Again....Some people just can't figure it out for themselves..........
Might be a "Good" time to go live with Hugo Chavez and the Hollywood Liberals to see the "Correct" way a country should be run...........Every house has the "Brady Bunch" ........Perfect.............LOL.......Michael Moore.....Danny Glover......Rosie......Sean Penn......the Baldwin Boy's........Susan Sarandon.......They would all be Perfect Role Models and all are "Normal" enough to be able to tell us how we should live..........(Well, maybe some need to be told)......What a Joke.....
My $.04

Ken

[GRB]

And don't fergit "911 was an inside job"! Are we gullible enough to think these morons won't vote for an admitted Marxist?

[agtw31]

no child here,im just continually seeing people post bad things about a guy,only because they disagree with his views.

until people try to see all points of view,instead of wearing blinders,and attacking those they disagree with,the politicians will continue to wreak havoc in this country.

remember,divided we fall.

your politician you voted for is counting on that.

[Kim_Howie]

Andy, How could anybody say anything good about MM. I wish him and this IDIOT Hollywood stars would moved to another country where they could be happy!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[kwhizz]

Hint..........Caracas, Venezuela..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif....Home of http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gifDanny Glover's http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif New Best Friend....... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gifHugo http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif........I'll never see another Glover Movie.....What an "IDIOT"....... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[nuch_ss396]

Ken,

There are more idiots umongst the Hollywood crowd than most
understand.

The myth exists ( for those fooled ) because the media constantly
bombards the weak minded with how smart actors are, how hard
they work, how informed they are, bla-bla-bla. These actors
hear it ( and spout it ) over and over so much thay they now
believe it and go out amongst the world to proclaim their
wisdom. The kids have a new saying: DIE - and fall in a hole!
Sounds like good advice for the Hollywood crowd! Or, they
can move to France. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
There are more idiots umongst the Hollywood crowd than most understand.

The myth exists ( for those fooled ) because the media constantly bombards the weak minded with how smart actors are, how hard they work, how informed they are, bla-bla-bla.

[/ QUOTE ]

The media bombards us with Hollywood blather because it's easier than reporting the hard news. AND, the average American EATS IT UP. Anna-Nicole, Paris, (any pair of boobs really*), Tom Cruise, Alec Baldwin, Sean Penn--the list and the constant coverage goes on and on. It's easier than reporting the hard news, we eat it up like good consumers, and the ratings go off the charts. It's our fault because they only give us what we want! Remember Don Henley's song "Dirty Laundry" and how it hammered crap like this?

The one thing Hollywood elites and the Hollywood-based news media don't want you to do is ignore them. So ignore them. Trouble is, too many Americans are addicted to it so I guess we're f___ed.


*Nothing against any pair of boobs, of course.

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
Jimmy 'peanut king' and star of 'I married a Zombie and we produced two brain dead feakazoids' Carter.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ray, you lost me after "peanut king." Huh? Just a short explanation so I can be hip to what you're saying.

[kwhizz]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
There are more idiots umongst the Hollywood crowd than most understand.

The myth exists ( for those fooled ) because the media constantly bombards the weak minded with how smart actors are, how hard they work, how informed they are, bla-bla-bla.

[/ QUOTE ]

The media bombards us with Hollywood blather because it's easier than reporting the hard news. AND, the average American EATS IT UP. Anna-Nicole, Paris, (any pair of boobs really*), Tom Cruise, Alec Baldwin, Sean Penn--the list and the constant coverage goes on and on. It's easier than reporting the hard news, we eat it up like good consumers, and the ratings go off the charts. It's our fault because they only give us what we want! Remember Don Henley's song "Dirty Laundry" and how it hammered crap like this?

The one thing Hollywood elites and the Hollywood-based news media don't want you to do is ignore them. So ignore them. Trouble is, too many Americans are addicted to it so I guess we're f___ed.


*Nothing against any pair of boobs, of course.

[/ QUOTE ]


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[Schonyenko2]

[quote)


*Nothing against any pair of boobs, of course.

[/ QUOTE ]
:

I've tried to stay out of this fight but I have to jump in here. While I agree with most of the above quote, there are some boobs I would not want to be against.Mostly the ones that point down. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
there are some boobs I would not want to be against.Mostly the ones that point down.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ugh--bad visual! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[GRB]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Jimmy 'peanut king' and star of 'I married a Zombie and we produced two brain dead feakazoids' Carter.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ray, you lost me after "peanut king." Huh? Just a short explanation so I can be hip to what you're saying.

[/ QUOTE ]

Carter's true love Castro and his health care sys are the feature of the next MM anti-America hate fest. MM and JC share the exact same political beliefs. Both are Marxist to the core. Ever seen queen Carter up close? The woman/thing ain't alive.

[nuch_ss396]

[quote..... Nothing against any pair of boobs, of course.

[/ QUOTE ]

Bill,

Normally I would agree, but with the Hilton twit I take
particular exception. I'm so sick of the moron distraction
that I refuse to stay in any Hilton hotel when I travel,
and I travel every week. It's just my way of saying "good job"
to the Hilton's ( parents & children alike ) for their contribution
to society. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

Perhaps if more of us did the same, they might just get the
idea that some of us, who work hard to raise our children to
be moral and good, are fighting back. Then, much like the
"old days", pressure from society might get them to sit up
and take notice. Where exactly are the freak-a-zoid parents
of the Hilton sisters anyway? Never saw then until ding-bat
went to jail. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Oh, did anyone else notice the Hilton
family commercials lately? Maybe others are boycotting the
hotel chain as well. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Steve

[427TJ]

Paris sure is easy on the eyes but my eyes are getting a little tired. Here sister is better-looking, IMHO.

I am posting this from the Hyatt O'Hare so I am doing my part in avoiding the Hilton, at least on this trip!

[Norm reynolds]

Kim
Well Today I received yet another rejection This was with AARP with United Health care
I called them and they told me my wife was uninsurable because she has type 2 Diabetes
I also called the # you gave and they were no help
I will tell you once you go into the mid 50s you are screwed She gets laid off and has been on lots of interviews but no offers I am 100 % sure it is her age
So here I am on disability and my wife has no health insurance
Say what you will about Michael Moore but the whole health issue in the US is a total joke. The middle class is getting hammered to death There are millions out there just like us BUT this country will waste so much money in Iraq and the hell with the Americans here at home
Sorry for the rant I am just pissed and tried of all the B/S

[Chris396]

My father works in a factory and makes around $12 an hour. His monthly health insurance just jumped up to $300 a month.

[67 GTO]

I'll never watch anything by MM. The guy has an agenda, but his acting like he's so not obvious sickens me. If he really wanted to do something constructive, why now??

[GRB]

No emergency room in the US can turn down a patient that is in need of medical attention. It is the people that pay outrageous amounts (I pay $2,400 a month for my wife and I) and have large deductibles that are getting screwed. Sorry but I can't get free medical services like illegals and so-called "poor" Americans.

[PeteLeathersac]

Moore's methods aside, reading this thread and Norm's plight makes me feel even more fortunate to be here in Canada where standard heath care is simply part of being a Canadian!.
Yes our system has it's flaws and problems but worse is the way health care is just another thing we simply take for granted each and every day...much like freedom!.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif
~ Pete

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
the whole health issue in the US is a total joke.

[/ QUOTE ]

Not to those HMO CEOs, corporate board members and major share holders who have gotten rich off of it.

You are a victim of "managed care." The HMO's job is to manage the amount of expenditure per patient in order to maximize profit. That's just Business 101, of course, except in this case people are allowed to die in order to control cost.

I think the movie comes out this week? I assume this thread will get even more interesting once the movie's out.

[Kim_Howie]

THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY ME & HOLD ME DOWN TO WATCH IT !!!!

[kwhizz]

[ QUOTE ]
THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY ME & HOLD ME DOWN TO WATCH IT !!!!

[/ QUOTE ]


What he "Said" x 2...........


Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[kwhizz]

Not to those HMO CEOs, corporate board members and major share holders who have gotten rich off of it


Bill.................Don't forget about the "Lawyers" who sue on a daily basis and the "Cost" that is added into the system for this "Abuse" ( If they would only stick to "Justified" Litigation......No Problem).....Not to change the subject, but the "Boundaries" of justifiable Lawsuits is expanding everyday......Look at this "NutCase" Judge that sued the Cleaners for $57,000,000 for the lost pants......Who paid for that non-sense........Guess Who?????
Look how John Edwards made all his $$$$$$$$.......He's worried about the "Poor" people... Yeah...."Right"....What are the Hidden costs of his "Working the System"....... Everyone has to understand that there is a Balance point and the more that go's out......means more has to come in.....Why should Lawyers be Entitled to just Help themselves to rediculous amounts of money......for What....
Look at Bill (427TJ).........He Pilots many people around the world on a Daily basis........I would say that his "Skill" level and contribution to Society is much more Important than someone who talks out of the side of thier mouth.........The System is Screwed up because Politicians and Lawyers have their own set of Rules and feel that we are here to provide a Economic base for them to Loot at their Leisure.........Whew......Common Sense "Has" to return (Hopefully)

Ken

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
The System is Screwed up because Politicians and Lawyers have their own set of Rules and feel that we are here to provide a Economic base for them to Loot at their Leisure.

[/ QUOTE ]

And no matter how we vote the scoundrels hold onto power.

Furthermore, no matter how hard the comman man and woman works in their daily life, the cabal in Washington only rarely has the comman man in mind when they're "legislating." I think that's where Michael Moore is coming from. He knows that the government rarely works for the good of the people and that it is almost exclusively beholden to corporate lobbys and the very powerful trial lawyer lobby.

Thanks Ken, I do work hard to provide good, safe service to my customers (passengers) and I am sure you do too. Too bad our political leaders aren't so dedicated to their customers: US!

[kwhizz]

Thanks Ken, I do work hard to provide good, safe service to my customers (passengers) and I am sure you do too. Too bad our political leaders aren't so dedicated to their customers: US!


That go's for "Both" Parties..........

Ken

[Xplantdad]

Sometimes Bill gives them a "tour" of the area that they are flying near...great customer service. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Bill I don't agree with you on MM. He is comming down on Health care not the Gov't as you stated.

[Mr70]

MM is promoting his movie "Sicko" here in Chicago right now.
They found a building with a giant clean wall,and ran his movie on it during the evening rush hour...Not real easy to see & not many cared to stop.
He said a few words on the podium,then let local author Studs Terkel hawk his movie for him..(Studs looks like he's one foot away from the grave).
MM was supposed to appear on Larry King Live,but Paris got released early and they Bumped him for her.
Not really sure who came up the winner there.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Norm
I called 1-800-GO-BASIC today and To be able to get State Ins you have to meet 4 areas. #1. live in Penn. over 90days # 2. be under age 64. #3. have no present insurance. #4 for two people have a income less thn $27,380.00 The cost to her is 33.50 per month Guarantee Issue & rates Kim

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
Bill I don't agree with you on MM. He is comming down on Health care not the Gov't as you stated.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, but the government (Congress) has climbed into bed with the HMO industry (among others) and it's the rest of us who lose. I'll bet a buck that MM points out the HMO-government coziness in the movie. When they start slapping each other on the back it's the rest of us who are getting f____d.

[Kim_Howie]

The reason the Gov't got involved is because of the increased cost BS that we put the private sector thru. I WANT, I WANT, I WANT, we are still abunch of spoiled brats!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Salvatore]

WOW, What a discussion! My wife and I are going through some things rite now because our son just graduated college and is going on my Cobra plan, but has to get his own ins. down the road. His problem is he had a heart transplant in 1998 and may be hard to insure. The University of Penn. is working with us on this matter as we speak. So for now we are doing good. Thank the Lord!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Sam I think the cobra plan is good for 18 months.