70 Townsman LS-5 Documented

[Draginwagon]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gifFrame Off Restored, Solid and as beautiful under as it is on top.
Complete with Original Buildsheet.
Number Match LS-5 454,
Turbohydramatic 400
12 Bolt Posi
RED
Tan Vinyl Interior
6 Passenger Townsman Model
Manual Steering
Manual Drum Brakes
Radio Delete
HD Elec
HD Cooling
Poverty Caps and Painted wheels
Dual Exhaust
Car speaks for itself. 1st time shown
Best of Show.
$45,000 Firm.
See it at http://www.kuhnsklassics.com

[Draginwagon]

See it on "Kars For Sale" Page.

[Rainer]

Looks like its been for sale at $45K firm since at least last August. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[Draginwagon]

Yes,
And the longer I own it, the more it will appreciate. They only go up in value. If someone wants it, $45k. If not
no problem, I keep showing and driving it.
at least I never see myself coming the other way.
Never.
Draginwagon. . .

[Late BrakeU2]

[ QUOTE ]
Yes,
And the longer I own it, the more it will appreciate. They only go up in value. Draginwagon. . .

[/ QUOTE ]

I hope you are correct...and the top wasn't two years ago due to massive sub prime equity splurging.

We'll be lucky to avoid recession by years end,makes you wonder what BJ next Jan will hold in the cards.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Draginwagon]

I think values on the cars will hold.... They won't go down as they aren't making the "REAL" Ones any more. Clones are another story, and a story I would rather forget.
Real Hemi Cuda's etc... they might have topped, LS-6's too. But solid well restored and documented cars will always hold thier value. In all the years I have been doing this, my Cars have brought a much better yield than any of my other investments.
Even better, is I Love My Cars, and I Love Driving and Showing them.
I feel I am preserving history for the next generation. If it grows in value then it's even better.
But if anyone is doin this for the Money Honey, then they need to go elsewhere.
And Go Soon....
Let the Car Guys Be... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[GTO_DON]

Your statement sounds genuine Rich but lets face facts!! You are a car dealer Correct? 99.9 percent of your post here are for cars your selling correct? You have a website so either your doing it for the money or your just so rich that you just play with them. If thats true then God Bless You! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Anyway with this car I think were beating a dead horse here!
Its been for sale since 1-26-06 I dont think its desireable. Its just my honest opinion so dont hate!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[scuncio]

I think it's a super cool car. But God knows I have had a hard time selling cars I thought were the coolest...which is why I only own Camaros and Chevelles now. (kidding of course!) Good luck with the big Chevy.

[Draginwagon]

No, I am NOT A DEALER...
Please Read my website.
My Wife and I have a private collection of cars.
Every One of our cars is registered in our state, in my name, Insured, and I pay taxes on all of them.
What I have for sale is some of my collection to finance the purchase of other vehicles.
I am NOT a DEALER !

My Wife is a Master Mechanic, I was, until health issues changed that. She now runs the shop.
I have several mechanics that work for me as well as body, upholstery ect... to bring my cars up to my standards.
Almost every car I have ever owned has either been in National Magazines, or on Car Calendars.
We compete in many Concours events. From Meadowbrook Hall, to Greenwich to Bridgehampton and more.
A Dealer has dealer plates buys and sells for a living and is "Licensed".
We are a Collection
see my website
http://www.kuhnsklassics.com
we sell trailers now only because when we went to buy our trailers we found the "Dealers" less than helpful.
I'll leave it at that.
We hope to help others avoid the pitfalls.
see my website
http://www.kuhnsklassics.com http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Draginwagon]

If you have a car for sale.
Any car, it will never sell unless it is Posted out there.
Yes, I post cars for sale.
However, I read other posts for info and to learn. I read in all the other areas, and at times may add my "two cents" worth. Such as the Suncio Chevrolet Reuion that a couple RI's are trying to put together.
But for the most part, I read, and learn.
and
post cars for sale.
I don't have much time for much else.
6 kids, 15 cars, right now
and a job.
Just an FYI.
Thanks and eventually the right buyer will see the Ad.
It's only a matter of time.

[GTO_DON]

WELL THERE YOU HAVE IT!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gifYa learn something new everyday! I wasnt trying to ruffle your feathers Rich.
I must not be looking at your website right. I can tell you this that in my state you would never get away with that one. They would look at that website as a dealer site. It even has a place to go for finacing. Anyway so be it. Looks be be a great thing you have going. Some of your cars are beautiful. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif
Like i said earlier,I just dont think your wagon is worth that kind of money and maybe its time to lower the price or just keep it since you seem to be the one that loves it the most. Wasnt trying to hurt your feelings,just an opinion i should keep to myself i guess. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Draginwagon]

Not a problem,
I don't like being refered to as a dealer, and as I have every car registered, and believe it or not the Only state I can't finance in is Rhode Island, my own state, I am a collection.
It works well. Every dealer I have ever seen describes thier cars as show pieces and when I see "Highly Detailed" and look and find an engine compartment that looks like a 10 year old Hundai I cringe.
On the wagon, the restoration costs alone exceed the asking price, it is also documented by it's original buildsheet as an LS-5, plain jane. And I have yet to see another.
Like I say, sooner or later someone will come along. Just look at what Big Block wagons have sold for at auction latelty.
The Townsman is Correct, Documented, and sharper than hell.
And even better is when I whoop some guy in a Roadrunner, since I hook up while he's spinning.
And I can do it all while I have 10 bags of groceries...
Damn...
I forgot the Milk.
Anyway
everyone has an opinion, I get touchy when I see dealer after dealer passing off un-documented cars that have been detailed with a can of chassis black and a set of excel wires.
Detailed means researched, and correctly imitating what the factory delivered back in the day.
By the way.
Love the Low Mileage Judge. i have always been a sucker for low mileage cars. The wagon has 61,000.
That's a fair amount of groceries. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[SuperNovaSS]

I imagine that is also a fair amount of 1/4's.

Jason

[TDW]

Brian...What ever happened to the very low mileage 69 SS Chevelle, green with a white vinyl, that you had for sale a few years back? It was supposed to be untouched, all original, but I did some background on it and found out the engine had been rebuilt, the a-frames chromed at one time, and some other stuff. Were you a Dealer back then? Good luck with the Wagon.

[Draginwagon]

Hi Tony,
No, I was not a dealer then, I helped a friend sell his car. Nasty divorce etc...
The car sold and went to Long Island. The original owner had taken the front end apart when it had about 16,000 miles, Chromed the a-frames, pulled the motor and was going to Hot Rod it. Then, as the commercial says', Life came at him hard. My friend found out about the car, and he put it back together.
It was not that the car was untouched, but due to the 21,000 original miles, it had certain features that could not be replicated such as the textured steering wheel that had no wear marks. That was because the wheel came off the car at new and the original owner put on a wood wheel.
The new owner is very happy with it, though my friend got into a nasty set of problems with his Ex when he sold it.
Such is life.
By the By, names Rich... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[mmcporter]

I don't know Rich and/or the dealer rules in RI, but I can tell you that in Massachusetts, being a "dealer" is a less costly way to do business then "owning all the cars" because as a dealer you get a dealer license plate which has blanket insurance on it. Which means you don't pay insurance on each car, sales tax, excise tax, registration, etc. As a dealer, all you have to worry about is keeping some records to pay Uncle Sam his cut of the profits, paying the state fees for the business license and the insurance policy. Giving Rich the benefit of the doubt, it means he's carrying 7 or 8 insurance policies, registrations, titles, etc. So I don't think he's trying to get away with anything here. I agree that it's a little annoying that his posts on our site are limited to selling his cars, but that seems to be a fairly common trend with many people posting here. All the more reason to require membership for classifed posting. Just my 2 cents.

BTW, Don, I own 3 classic cars--I hope that doesn't make me a "dealer". http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Draginwagon]

RI has rules as a dealer that you wouldn't believe, that being said. I have no desire to be a dealer as I only sell what I want to in order to aquire another car.
Dealers sell to "make a living" I don't.
I collect cars and trucks. My wife and I take 2 to every show we attend. I enjoy seeing the other cars, meeting and making new friends, and bringing whatever cars I have up to "snuff". I, as anyone else, like to win at shows. You don't win without some serious detailing effort.
And yes, I have a very significant insurance policy with Hagerty Insurance. They are the best. McKeel Hagerty is a very nice person, a serious car collector too. I have met him several times.
I started coming to this site and posting here since on a "Google" search of 70 Townsman wagon turned up info on my car before I owned it. I also noticed that Most of the "for sale" listings were for Muscle Cars and more, not just documented "supercars". I also noticed the majority of listings were the Dealers. They seemed to be looking to buy, ie: recent listing for LS-6 ElCamino, Nickey bought and will take to auction. Seller got I assume his $60,000 to $65,000 he wanted, and Stefano had no problem stating he has a $70,000 reserve set for the auction. I do believe Stefano is a dealer. At least his descriptions seem to fit the cars. The exception, not the rule.
I would have no problem with membership required as I fell this group is one of the best for all info and more. Helpful.
However you would have to open it up to non-supercar owners or it would be a very small membership.
Could I add something in the other areas, maybe. I do have some credentials, as a mechanic, as a judge (as in car show). But I prefer to listen and learn.
and from this site I do learn.
Thanks
Draginwagon
P.S. you are only a dealer if your three cars have the exact same license plate...an it says dealer.
BTW, Nice 72 GS, couldn't see. Bumper cutouts for exhaust???
need a better back end shot. Nice. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[TAR6569]

Do you have a picture of the build sheet? I would like to see it for my impala research. Don't see many 70's with radio delete.
Warren

[Draginwagon]

Hi,
Will try to attach it here. If it doesn't work you can PM me and I will e-mail a copy to you.
Draginwagon

[Draginwagon]

Buildsheet attached, NEW Copy
Here hopefully this attachment is a little larger and More Readable.
Draginwagon

[Draginwagon]

There,
isn't that better....
I hate resizing photos.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Belair62]

Call me crazy but I still dig that Buick GS...real unusual to see.

[mmcporter]

Belair, you are crazy--but not for digging the GS--it's generally my favorite to drive and to look at.

[mmcporter]

Rich,

I wish Haggerty would do business in Mass. I've been with Grundy, which is probably almost as good. Lotsa companies won't do business here. I can see the appeal of your Townsman, although it's not necessarily my cup of tea. I do like your GTX, however. Good looking car in blue and I love the 1968 minimalistic trim. As for my Buick GS, it does have the exhaust cutouts and it's a fun car to drive. Power steering, power brakes, turbo 400, low rear end so she'll cruise at 75 all day....we drive it the most of the "stable". Next time I'm visiting my buddy in Wakefield, RI, perhaps we can arrange to see your collection if you live on the way.

Good luck with the wagon--it's a neat car.

[Draginwagon]

The GS is a Beaut...
I have a 74 GS, with the Buick 350. Only 400 were done in 74 with the 455, tried to find one but Got what I could find. Only 51,000 miles on it. It's my favorite as it has never let me down. I drive it all over.
I didn't know Hagerty doesn't write in Mass. Grundy is good from what I hear. Similar I guess.
The GTX is an interesting car, when we got it no one knew it was matching. I was told it might have had a replacement block. We found and verified the numbers. I loved it as it is un-molested. And basic except for the Automatic. Just pure muscle. My wife re-detailed the engine compartment with engine in place. She's good at that.
Keep that GS humming. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif
and Maybe we will connect.
numbers on my website.