1970 CHEVELLE LS6 ON EBAY

[lwkitt427]

HELLO GUYS IAM NW TO THE SITE. I WAS TOLD ABOUT IT AFTER I BOUGHT A 79 BLACK Z28 FROM ONE OF THE MEMBERS. I AM HIGH BIDDER ON THE THE BLUE CHEVELLE LS6 ON ENBAY THAT HAS ENDED ITEM NUMBER 260145280426. DOES ANY ONE OF THIS CAR AND DOESANY ONECLOSE BUY THAT MIGHT BE ABLE GO LOOK AND GIVE A 3RD PART DESCPRTIOECAR BEFOR ANY FUNDS CHANGE HANDS. I WILL PAY FOR THIS PERSONS TIME, AND DOES THIS CAR LOOK LIKE THE REAL DEAL? I WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO RICK NELSON OF THE LS 6 REGISRTY. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST DO YOU GUYS THINK I PAID TO MUCH FOR IT. IN DESPERATLY SEEKINGA A TRUE BLACK 70 LS 6 CHEVELLE 4SP CAR.

[Late BrakeU2]

With all candor that car needs the full monte.I would guess with a proper restoration you will be in the car 100k,and it still won't have the original motor.For that price you can find a respectable black done one like this tribute car for prolly around 85k.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...182748&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AME WA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300137182748&rd=1)

If you had only posted this question a few days before the auction had ended..Rick frequents the site and it is (relatively)in his neck of the woods..I would bet money he or Chad know of(or have touched)the car.Looks it never left the general area.

[427king]

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For that price you can find a respectable black done one like this tribute car for prolly around 85k.


[/ QUOTE ] Am i missing something? The tribute car you posted a link to says there is a buildsheet.

[lwkitt427]

YES I SAW WHERER THEY SAID THEY HAVE THE BILD SHEET ALSO I GONG TO SPEAK WITH THEM ON WEDESDAY TO SEE IT ISA COPY OR THE REAL SHEET

[Jonesy]

Ebay ad

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...fromZR40QQfviZ1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260145280426&ru=http://motors.search.ebay.com:80/260145280426_W0QQfromZR40QQfviZ1)

[69LM1]

Hi Les,
Glad to see you made it to the site! Looks like a nice car to restore, nice colors, buckets, 4 speed and all of the small hard to find parts. All of these help the car to be worth more $ when complete.
On the negative side, NOM motor and the buildsheet has all of the important stuff missing, like VIN and Body number. Do we KNOW that this car belongs to this buildsheet? Some of the guys here know these buidsheets pretty well and I am sure someone with more info than me will chime in.

Keep me updated!

Rich

[SS427]

Hello Les,
Congrats on your purchase. I do not know of this car off hand but will check the VIN against my records. If you can get me the cowl information that would be helpful.

I think what you paid is in line with what the value would be ( IF... in fact it is an LS-6) and in it's current condition but as Mark said, plan on sinking some serious money into it. The body appears to be in very rough shape and likely some of the key parts are missing especially under the hood. The body appears to need just about everything save for a hood and roof which will set you back another $15-20k. As usual, only one photo of the engine compartment are shown so I am not sure what condition that is in. Also, to put a complete LS-6 engine between the fenders will set you back at least $15k when it is all said and done.

Being that it is a Leed's car, I would bet there are at least a couple of more build sheets in the car and would not sleep comfortably until at least on complete sheet is found. There is nothing on the sheet that is posted to tie it to the car in the photos so as far as I am concerned, it is just an SS Chevelle until proven with a sheet. In todays world people will go to great lengths to fake a car like this though I am in no way saying that is what is taking place here just pointing out the facts.

Had I known about this I could have made a slight detour on my way home from the Gibb Reunion last weekend and looked at the car. As of right now I have no available time. However, there are a couple of people in the Northern, Il and Wisconsin area that may be able to help. You might even try Gary Thurlow as he is relatively close.

Get me some more information and I will help you wherever I can as far as authenticating the car. Talk to me off line and I will help you with regards to some more information.
Rick

[olredalert]

-------If this Chevelle isnt an LS6 its a pretty darn complete clone. Correct door-panels and several other small things make a compelling case for its authenticity. Can anyone tell me what the yellow thingy is bolted to the frame in the one pic????........Bill S

[ktownkid]

Ladder bars............!!!!!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[olredalert]

------I did think of ladder bars but cant remember ever seeing anything attached quite like that. It does look to be a manufactured piece, though. Ahh,,,,youre probably right.........Bill S

[rubbinisracing]

If the seller will allow you to not complete the transaction I would go that way. Without a build sheet with the vin or other docs. and NOM you'll never recoup the restoration cost.
If you pay for the car and don't find another build sheet with the vin then I think you should take your lumps and flip the car.
Be patient, there are other project cars avalable with docs.,but be willing to spend 50K for one.

[chads454Ls6]

Rick,i was actually talking to this guy about this car and passed as he was not sure about the trans or rear and sounded like he had the car apart and had recovered the seats and there was not any other paperwork. Les,i hope he told you this when you spoke with him about the car. There could be buildsheets behind the front fenders but that would probably be the only place left. I to went through wisconsin just yesterday and had i known that you purchased this car i could have stopped as well.

[SS427]

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Rick,i was actually talking to this guy about this car and passed as he was not sure about the trans or rear

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Sorry Les, I did not realize this was the same car that Chad had mentioned to me a while ago. Based on that conversation and other comments I would also consider passing if another sheet cannot be produced from that car to prove it's heritage. It would appear as thought the car has not been very far apart and if that is the case there really should be other sheets in the car. If not I would be rather concerned.

As far as the tach, door panels and some other items being good indicators of an LS-6, if I had $5 for every car that Chad and I looked at over the past several years that fit that scenario but turned out to be bogus I would have his fuel costs covered. I would honestly say 80% of the cars he and I looked at turned out to be fake and this was 3 or more years ago. When you can sell a car for twice the money because of supposed LS-6 heritage people will go to great lengths to fake them.

[427king]

I dont understand why alot of people think its ok to win a car and then inspect it and ask questions later deciding if they want to complete the transaction. Yet when a seller opts to sell to a higher bidder after the auction or decide to keep the car, hed get lambasted by everyone that read the post. Kind of a double standard dont you think?? Unfortunately in this case the buyer couldnt post the auction info on any public site before the auction ended for fear hed warn a few potential bidders,which makes it difficult.

[Xplantdad]

Maybe the seller and Les had an agreed upon arrangement? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[427king]

Bruce, very well could be true in this case. Overall though, it is accepted by many that a potential buyer contact sellers and try to end an auction early [ebay can ban you for this ],Ok to inspect things after already winning them[also not allowed by ebay], yet if a seller has sellers remorse or is told later he sold an item too cheap and wants to default ,all of a sudden people get upset. Just sticking up for the sellers http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[69LM1]

Good Point King. I noticed that as well people mentioning not going through with it. I do know Les well, and he is a stand up guy and I am sure will do the right thing.

Also, I really don't think it's that bad a deal. Especially if you are looking for a nice driver and not a 100 point show car. Especially if you can do some things yourself, as I believe that Les can. All in all, I think you can make a driver LS6 out of that car for 30k or thereabouts if you can do some work yourself.

I am still concerned about the buildsheet. Are there any codes on there that would support this being the sheet for this car?

Now, if the sheet were bad (ie some error that would disprove the car belonging to the sheet), then I would think that it would be OK for the buyer to back out, IMHO.

Rich

[427king]

The sheet and the car are for a KC car. The interior 791 is white buckets.The tach is real as well as the buildsheet.Im sure an inspection would show it being a 4 speed car originally Would be nice to see a date or a vin on the BS, but then again cars have been "documented" with alot less than this car has. It would be difficult to match a car and a BS from a white interior KC chevelle,and id say if the vin was on the buildsheet the car would be around 45K or better. Buy it !

[69LM1]

So, if the sheet is real, and the codes match the colors, then I think this was a OK deal, IMHO. Especially if you cannot afford a 80k resored car all in one shot (not saying that is the case with Les, just in general).

Another point is that with a restored car, you never know what "shortcuts" were taken, with a project, if you are looking for a keeper (which I believe that Les is looking to keep the car), then at least with a project you know exactly what you have when completed.

[Late BrakeU2]

45k without the original motor and possibly trans and rear end? Judging from the ladder bars it's been enjoyed before being put back to stock for it's long hibernation. Without paper or motor it could easily be an original 396 car but i'm not sure how one could document anything for certain at this point given what's not present.I would think the pan is as soft as those quarters(NOS one's nearing 3K)and he states it's been parked for nearly thirty years... she's gonna need a big hug.I have to agree with both you and Howard that 50k for one that's all there with ironclad docs is ballpark valuation,but this one does not make economical sense for a top shelf project imo.

On a side note i'm totally convinced at this point that mice obviously know that the upper right corner is the rib- eye of the sheet http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[supercomp 8.90]

looks to have boxed rear bars, also the trans shot(not the best)looks to have a large yoke? maybe the m-22 is still in there under the grease. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[lwkitt427]

I WANT TO THANK EVERY ONE FOR PROVIDING ME WITH SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME COMMENTS.ABOUT BACKING OUT OF A AGREED DEAL IF THE CAR IS NOT WHAT THE SELLER ADVERTISES IT TO BE THEN YOU CAN BACK OUT. IF THE CAR HAS BEEN FLASELY ADVERTISED. I DO NOT CLAIM TO KNOW ALL THERE IS TO LS6 CHEVELLES I AM JUST AN AVERAGE GUY TRYING TO MAKE A WISE CHOICE, AND YES MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THESE QUESTIONS BEFOR HAND. BUT MY WORK SCHEDUAL WOULD NOT LET GET TO THE COMPUTER. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF ANY ONE CAN OFFER SOME POINTERS ON WHERE ANOTHER BUILD SHEET MAY BE LOCATED. AND IS IT POSSIABLE THAT THE AT BUILD SHEET IS FOR THAT CAR BUT WITH THE CAR VIN # NOT BEING ON IT WHAT OTHER SIGHNS SHOULD I BE LOOKING FOR IN THE BUILD SHHET TO HELP AUTHICATE IT THE CAR. I KNOW WHERE TO CHECK FOR THE VIN ON THE TRANS AND PLAN ON ASKING HIM TO WIPE AWAY THE GREASE TO LOOK FOR IT AN I KNOW WHERE TO CHECK FOR THE AXLE TUBE CODE. AND IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE CAR CURRENT STATE THAT NO ONE HAS MESSED WITH THE DASH SO I THINK IT HAS NOT BEEM APART,AND IT HAS THE RIGHT TAC PLEASE ADVISE ME ON ANY OTHER THINGS TO LOOK FOR. AND YES I WILL TRADE IT FOR A BLACK CAR IN THE SAME COND OR BETTER AND WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY MORE FOR A BETTER COND BLACK CAR. THANKS FOR YOU GUYS HELPING AND COMENTS NON HAVE BEEN TAKEN WITH DISRESPECT. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THE 427 KING AS HE SEEMS TO HAVE QUITE ABIT ON KNOWLEDGE THAT COULD HELP, AND ANY TIME THAT THE SELLER AND I COULD NOT FINALAZE A DEAL I HAVE ALWAYS PAID FOR HIS RELISTING FEE.

[TDW]

Can you turn off the CAPS LOCK? It is hard to read your posts.

[Mr70]

Reflecting the third week of January 1970 at the Leeds assembly plant,this Chevelle could be anything,except an L-78.
That partial buildsheet he's showing falls in line with the time period for this Chevelle,but could be for a number of similar equipped Chevelles,including an Elcamino LS-6.
Quite honestly I would've asked everything you are asking 7 days before you pushed the submit button..
If you want to conduct a buildsheet autopsy now on this Leeds assembly,try looking behind the entire backseat support cushion bunting,then the backseat bottom bun.Look at EACH hogring to spring connection,as you will most likely find something scrooled up there.Then remove the rear package tray cardboard and look between the jute.Look behind the two side ear muffs at this time too.Then remove the rear 1/4 panel trim and check behind each.If still nothing,remove each interior door panel & look behind there.Look inside each metal door & 1/4 panel pocket,as sometimes the buildsheet releases from the cardboard structure and falls in here.Remove the back of each bucketseat back as well as the bottom springs & inside the cushion covers too.If still nothing try removing the carpet and look everywhere,specifically at the metal floor around the rear center hump portion,as well as the underside of the carpet.Don't be afraid to peel up the sound deadner too.
Look behind the plastic floor firewall pedal gaurd also.
Look ontop of the radio & behind the back of the glovebox as they sometimes taped them there in extreme situations.
If still nothing remove the two metal pillar support covers and look behind them as well as INSIDE the pillars.It could be scrolled up there and difficult to detect.If still coming up empty,try releasing the roof headliner and look up in there.
The other non interior areas you can check are inside the upper rear 1/4 panel areas that are inside the trunk.Remove the Door Jamb vents near the striker,and shine a flashlight way up in there too.Don't be afraid to reach your hand in there and brush the very lower floor area.
Try inside the front fenders,between the inner wheelhouse and the fender.Aim for the battery tray and voltage regulator areas behind the headlights too.
You can drop the gas tank too,but this area wasn't favored heavily by Leeds,my experience has shown.
I wish you success with this vehicle.

[1970ChevelleSS]

Is that it?

[427king]

Les, At this point take the car home and when you restore it youll find a sheet if its there. Not really fair to want to find a sheet in the car in order to follow thru with the purchase unless it was agreed upon with the seller. After all,if the seller found another build sheet with the vin on it today and wanted more money, you wouldnt be too happy.

[Novadiecast]

Well said King!!!

[wwchevy]

I've sold a few things on ebay and I have refunded money or canceled deals mutually to keep everyone happy, but always as a mutual agreement between buyer and seller. If you go there with the intention of completing the deal (after all a deal is a deal) and you aren't happy, you may come to an agreement with the seller. Barring that, complete the deal and leave negative feedback ruining their 100% positive rating of 1. Aproach it like that and I think you will be happy.