What do you think of this car? Hemmings ....

[442w30]

In the latest Hemmings Muscle Machines, there's a Fathom Green L78 that the restorer claims didn't have the black rear panel. The claim is dark cars - black and FGreen - didn't get this treatment.

I have trouble believing this. I've also heard this on 'Cudas that were painted black, and it has been proven to be false. And it doesn't sound logical from an assembly line perspective.

Comments?

[370454s]

If you are referring to a 69 Camaro, that is correct. Fathom Green and Black SSs did not get the Black Cove. Thats according to The Definitive 69 Camaro Fact Book, by Jerry MacNeish.
Mike

[SSJunkie68-69]

Yes, that would be correct.All BB's in those colors did not receive a blacked out tail panel. I believe that holds true for 68's and 67's as well.

[69SSZL1]

This Hemmings car has no proof of being an original L78. It certainly was not cloned correctly as an SS. Silver grill, no side gills, emblem placement, Holley R4557 carb, even an upside down air cleaner seal! The restorer also claims it's a Sports Car Coversion, which was not availible in 69 without a COPO order also. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[ANDY M]

I wondered about that. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[442w30]

Oh, that's right. They did a poor job explaining the Sports Car Conversion, and the only time I have ever heard of it is when it's involved in making a COPO a "double" COPO.

I know MacNiesh's book is supposed to be pretty good, but still, it makes no sense why they'd make an exception for these colors.

[camarojoe]

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Oh, that's right. They did a poor job explaining the Sports Car Conversion, and the only time I have ever heard of it is when it's involved in making a COPO a "double" COPO. I know MacNiesh's book is supposed to be pretty good, but still, it makes no sense why they'd make an exception for these colors.

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Gotta agree with you on this one. I know I have seen original paint fathom green and burnished brown big block cars with black rear tail panels... Maybe some of the dark colors didn't get some of the lower rocker blackouts (?) but I think any SS396 car would have the rear panel painted black. bkhpah would be the guy to ask for sure.

[SSJunkie68-69]

Courtesy of CRG......another great resource~


Q: Is it true that black-out paint was applied by the factory, and if so, for what models?

A: Certain first-generation Camaro models had semi-gloss black-out paint applied to the body to influence the appearance. There were two types, a "ground-effect" black-out applied to the rocker-panel/body-sill area for certain exterior trim options, and a blacked-out tailpan applied to SS-396 cars.

Body sill black-out paint was applied to Z22 cars in 1967 and 1968, and to Z21, Z22, and COPO 9560/9561 cars in 1969. But there were several body colors that were simply just too dark for this paint scheme to be effective, and for these colors (more below) the body sill black-out paint was omitted. Additionally, the body sill black-out was omitted for special models like the 1969 Z11 Indy Pace Car convertible trim package and the 1969 Z10 coupe trim package. A Chevrolet Product Bulletin dated 2-4-69 describes the Z11 (Pace Car trim package) package and includes this instruction: "Body sill to be painted white instead of black." Although no instructions have been found for the Z10 coupe, it would be natural for this same philosophy to have been followed.

There was also a paint color exception for the SS-396 tailpan black-out, but as far as we can tell, it was limited to black vehicles; in other words, only black (and special models like Z11 and Z10) SS-396 cars did not receive the (semi-gloss) blacked-out tailpans.

The CRG will continue to follow this topic and provide more detail with better substantiation as the information becomes available.

The 1967 and 1969 body sill paint codes that did not receive black-out paint (supported by GM documentation - except see note on 1969 #10 Tuxedo Black) are:


1967/1967 Body Sill Color Exceptions

1967
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AA Tuxedo Black
EE Deepwater (Dark) Blue
LL Tahoe Turquoise
MM Royal Plum
NN Madeira Maroon

1969
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10 Tuxedo Black*
51 Dusk (Dark) Blue
57 Fathom (Dark) Green
61 Burnished (Dark) Brown
67 Burgundy (Maroon)

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* We have not found GM documentation
for the 1969 Tuxedo Black body sill
exception. However we believe it
followed the pattern of previous years,
and the few original 1969 cars we
have found appear to bear this out.


GM documentation specifically listing the excepted body sill colors for 1968 has not yet been found, however, the CRG believes the excepted colors were the following:


1968 Body Sill Color Exceptions

AA Tuxedo Black (discontinued Jan 68)
EE Fathom (Dark) Blue (discontinued Jan 68)
NN Cordovan Maroon
VV Sequoia Green
ZZ British Green (new as of Jan 68)

[camarojoe]

That sounds right to me. In otherwords, this fathom green SS396 car SHOULD still have the rear panel painted black.

[68l30]

As for the 9737....Where do you find 15" steels and what would the codes be? Should be rally wheels....I like the pic of the "test fit half quarter".How and why would you use a POS repop to test fit a NOS panel? Apples and oranges.My guess is the repop is on the car...Nice car, but far from correct..I ain't buying the stories.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

Steve http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[m22mike]

The wheel code for COPO 9737 is YH, same wheel as a Z28

[m22mike]

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In the latest Hemmings Muscle Machines, there's a Fathom Green L78 that the restorer claims didn't have the black rear panel. The claim is dark cars - black and FGreen - didn't get this treatment.

The car your refering to is discussed here also

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/282567/an/0/page/1#282567

SYC board member



I have trouble believing this. I've also heard this on 'Cudas that were painted black, and it has been proven to be false. And it doesn't sound logical from an assembly line perspective.

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[ANDY M]

One other minor detail. The COPO 9737 included the 140mph speedo, which this car has.
What's that all about? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[69SSZL1]

About $189 from Classic Industries.

[68l30]

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The wheel code for COPO 9737 is YH, same wheel as a Z28

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Sure it is.....But this car has steel wheels and dog dish caps....I like how the proper codes were found on the short block noting it is a 375hp block.....But previously mention the block was decked when they found it.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Neat car even better fish story....


Steve

[americanmusclecars]

Why is that so hard for you to believe? Were you there when this particular Camaro was built on the GM line. Maybe the person/dealer ordering this car decided they didnt want a blacked out rear panel. The car did not have a black out panel when and it came to us, but all the signs indicated it was a L78. And here is clue we built the car the way the customer wanted.

[americanmusclecars]

Unfortunately we cant help what pictures Hemmings places in the article. We initially begin to install 80% quarters when the owner of the car purchased GM full quarters. Again, Hemmings felt the need to leave that picture out. Let see a picture of your car coming together so I can pick it a part!

[americanmusclecars]

When the car was purchased it had items that led the owner and myself to believe it was a COPO 9737. For example, a 13/16 sway bar and more. Now maybe that sway bar was on a real COPO 9737 car and that COPO 9737 car was stolen and then stripped for parts and that 13/16 inch sway bar ended up at the Pomona Swap meet and the guy that previously owned this Camaro installed it. Sounds ridiculous right? Do we have written proof from GM and God himself that this is a true COPO 9737.....no we dont, and we make no claim that it is for sure! And maybe just maybe the owner of the car wanted a silver grill and no rally wheels or side louvers, maybe he was going for a specific look that he wanted. But in your eyes that makes it clone. The car does have the correct carb., P/N 3959164 List 4346; I cant help it if Hemmings got it wrong there and in other areas of the article. I will own up to the upside down seal, it was probaly one in the morning when it was installed. But, rest assured it was corrected years ago.

[americanmusclecars]

Camarojoe....I've seen plenty that dont have it. Who's right you or me?

[americanmusclecars]

Again, the customer wanted a more stealth look and opted for the steel wheel look...did we say they were correct numbers matching to the car? The proper JH code wad found on the block. However, you could not see a date code. Maybe the JH stamp was deeper than the date code and did not come off when the block was decked....I dont know what happened for sure. But I guess you do and thats what makes it a Fish Story!!!

[69SSZL1]

I think you summed it up best when you said you built the car the way the customer wanted, which is fine. I withdraw my clone statment since a clone is an accurat copy. This car is more of a custom, built how the owner wanted, not how GM would ever built it, which is fine as long as it is not trying to be passed off as correct. Your statements of what this car might have been originally are of course speculation, and nobody will ever know for sure. The facts just don't support your statement of it maybe being a COPO 9737, which was not available alone or on a SS in 69. Did you see any clues that it might have been a COPO 9561? 13/16" sway bars probably were available from the GM dealer back in the day, $249 at Ricks today.

[442w30]

Aren't you coming off a bit too defensive?

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Why is that so hard for you to believe? Were you there when this particular Camaro was built on the GM line.

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I wasn't even BORN yet! But I must ask . . . were you there? Because the way you're asking me, you must have! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Think about it - why would Chevrolet make it a thing to add a black panel to all SS396 cars like the Chevelle, yet exempt a Camaro if it was black (or Fathom Green, for that matter)? Doesn't that sound like a logical question?

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Maybe the person/dealer ordering this car decided they didnt want a blacked out rear panel.

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Then that should be backed up with documentation; however, according to the article, some experts are in disagreement whether these cars were exempt from the black.

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The car did not have a black out panel when and it came to us, but all the signs indicated it was a L78. And here is clue we built the car the way the customer wanted.

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Bravo for the owner getting what he wanted! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif But it still doesn't answer the question. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[KENNY_PASCOE]

I HAVE SEEN THIS PARTICULAR CAR IN OTHER PUBLICATIONS IN THE PAST ALSO ADVERTISED AS A 9737 CONVERSION. THE RESTORER MENTIONED IN ONE OF HIS POSTS THAT THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT HEMMINGS WRITES IN THEIR ARTICLES BUT THE SAME INFO IS IN OTHER PUBLICATIONS AS WELL. SOMEONE MUST BE TELLING THEM WHAT THEY FEEL THE CAR IS. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS OR ISN'T A 9737 CONVERSION BUT IF THERE IS NO DOCUMENTATION TO SUPPORT THIS FIND THE QUESTION STILL STANDS AND THAT HOW IT SHOULD BE IN PRINT.... JUST MY .02 CENTS... COOL CAR JUST THE SAME... KP

[68l30]

Like I said..Nice car. Build them however you want to. It's up to the owner to enjoy what he has. Nobody else has to like it....BUT.. When things appear in print,I feel it's up for discussion. Thanks to many inaccurate articles ,the nonsense is often taken as gospel.Creative writing by the mag? Maybe... maybe not.I'm done....

Steve

[GeorgeLyons]

Like all of you, I was not in Norwood or LA when these cars were built because my father thought ninth grade was more important. I don't know about black rear panels being a "cast in stone" situation. I don't know how to unquestionably document how all these cars were built with NO help from GM (ala Pontiac). I don't know where Hemmings or any other publication comes up with some of the stuff I read and personal experience has shown THEY DO TAKE SOME JOURNALISTIC FREEDOM after gathering facts. But there is one thing I am damn sure about:
You guys have offended one of the finest gentlemen in our hobby, Dave Lindsley. A long time sYc member and contributor, Dave is one of the guys I think of when I tell people how the best friends I have came to me thru the car hobby. He is on my list with people like Chip Miller and Mark Hassett. I'm saddened and ashamed Dave is feeling lousy about this. He's the real thing, my friend Dave.

[Charley Lillard]

According to the article it was done starting in 1996 ? Think back to how much we didn't know 11 years ago and the cars resto would probably seem fine. The car has a 8000 rpm tach and 11 years ago I would have thought that was fine but today I believe all the big block cars got 7000 tachs so maybe the tach was added ? We all know more about these cars these days but Dave has nothing to feel bad about. The article should have been published 11 years ago. I had my old L78 SS convert on the cover of Muscle Car Review in 1990 with a silver grill in all it's glory because a friend convinced me the SS should have a silver grill. Yes Daves car is very inncorrect by todays standards but please remember it was restored 11 years ago. At least he still has it.

[Xplantdad]

I am truly saddened and kinda pissed off about this happening. I just got back from my dads funeral...only to see this "hoohaw" happening. Dave is one of the "good guys" in this hobby...and he and I have had numerous discussions with Dave regarding the very subject being discussed here...and I told him...don't worry...it wont happen...Hmmm, I guess I over estimated you guys...

Dave shouldn't need to answer to you here who have had nothing good to say...he owes you nothing! He is a fine gentleman...a great human being with a wonderful wife...who had hot rods before most of the people complaining here were born... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

I was working with Dave to feature some of his other cool cars...for Members Rides. I've seen some of his cars in person (you see, Dave was nice enough to drive my family around on his coin to go and check them out) but I think we'll just forget about that now... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

BTW...magazines NEVER embellish any of their stories... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

BTW, Dave DRIVES his cars...and enjoys them like they are supposed to be...

Hey Diego and 69SSZL1...let's see what you got http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif! Why don't you do me a favor and send your muscle car pics and write up for members rides...At least they will be safe from ridicule there...

It's funny, when the initial post was put up abot Dave's Camaro being in Hemmings...right after his Z28 was on the cover last month...there was nary a word out of anyone...

Do me and everyone else here a favor...if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[442w30]

Now this is getting beyond ridiculous. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

I cannot find anywhere where the owner or restorer is being slurred by or anyone else. If anything, the major criticism is with a magazine that is not doing a good job of transmitting the facts to people like me who want to understand more of these cars.

I don't want to worry about stepping on someone's toes in expressing an opinion or a question. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[Xplantdad]

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Now this is getting beyond ridiculous. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

I cannot find anywhere where the owner or restorer is being slurred by or anyone else. If anything, the major criticism is with a magazine that is not doing a good job of transmitting the facts to people like me who want to understand more of these cars.

I don't want to worry about stepping on someone's toes in expressing an opinion or a question. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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This Hemmings car has no proof of being an original L78. It certainly was not cloned correctly as an SS. Silver grill, no side gills, emblem placement, Holley R4557 carb, even an upside down air cleaner seal! The restorer also claims it's a Sports Car Coversion, which was not availible in 69 without a COPO order also-69ssZL1

As for the 9737....Where do you find 15" steels and what would the codes be? Should be rally wheels....I like the pic of the "test fit half quarter".How and why would you use a POS repop to test fit a NOS panel? Apples and oranges.My guess is the repop is on the car...Nice car, but far from correct..I ain't buying the stories..68L30

Steve



About $189 from Classic Industries.
69SSzl1

Aren't you coming off a bit too defensive?


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I wasn't even BORN yet! But I must ask . . . were you there? Because the way you're asking me, you must have!

Think about it - why would Chevrolet make it a thing to add a black panel to all SS396 cars like the Chevelle, yet exempt a Camaro if it was black (or Fathom Green, for that matter)? Doesn't that sound like a logical question?


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Maybe the person/dealer ordering this car decided they didnt want a blacked out rear panel.


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Then that should be backed up with documentation; however, according to the article, some experts are in disagreement whether these cars were exempt from the black.


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The car did not have a black out panel when and it came to us, but all the signs indicated it was a L78. And here is clue we built the car the way the customer wanted.


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Bravo for the owner getting what he wanted! But it still doesn't answer the question.-442W30

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You find it easy enough to pick apart a car that isn't yours....If you need the questions that you have answered...maybe you should call Hemmings...as you seem to believe everything else that they have printed... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Yea you're right...it definitely is http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

The offer still stands...show me what you got...let's feature it!


http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif

[Xplantdad]

I'm gonna take a break for awhile....there are more important things to attend to...

[americanmusclecars]

No. But I do think you were offensive. Love to see some pictures of your car!!

[camarojoe]

My apologies if my post came off as offensive... I believe a fathom green car should have a black rear panel. I did note that a true expert such as Brian Henderson or as someone else posted, the Camaro Research Group would have more actual data on it than me.

However with that said, I don't really see any harm in questioning details of any particular car, as this is how we all learn. Are we only allowed to question cars that don't belong to someone we know? If not for questioning, the vast improvements to restorations that have taken place in the past dozen or so years would not have happened and cars like Charley's SS from back then would still be done incorrectly. I'll be perfectly honest with you, I haven't even SEEN the article OR the car, so I sure as heck ain't nitpicking the car itself. As a matter of fact, when I saw "Hemmings" mentioned, my initial thought was that the car was in a for sale as within Hemmings Motor News, not an article in their magazine, although it really doesn't matter either way. Someone questioned if a fathom green SS396 should or shouldn't have the tailpanel blacked out and I simply responded to that question, as i know I have seen several unrestored cars in dark colors with black rear panels. I would have responded the same if it were a general restoration question or one about a specific car, as it was a good technical question and one that seemed logical enough both to ask and to answer. Maybe this car DID come that way, maybe the owner wanted that way, I really don't know... but it seems the "normal" procedure would be for any color SS396 Camaro to get the blackout rear treatment, which was what I was responding to.

I do agree there's way too much bashing of every car that comes on ebay or is printed in an ad or magazine, but at the same time I do feel that there is alot to learn by asking questions... That's how all of us gained whatever knowledge we have on ANY topic. Again, sorry if my answer to someones question was viewed as bashing someone's car, it was not intended that way. I'm sure there are several things on my Deuce that are incorrect too... there aren't too many perfect cars, but they will keep getting better if we keep researching and questioning and learning. JMO. -JB

[americanmusclecars]

Like you George, I agree, Dave is one of the best people I know. He has been there for me since my humble beginings in a 600 square foot shop trying to make a living. He has supported me and the shop financially for many years until American Muscle Cars Inc could stand on its own two feet and I am truely indebted to him. Not only did he support the shop financially, he also gave me the drive to succeed and has instilled in me to be honest, fair, and hard working, which at times is hard. Dave has been there for me in every aspect of my life......personally and carrer. He has guided me through bad times and good times. And Im truely proud to call him my best friend and I will defend him in any arena with anyone who question this mans character!

[442w30]

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No. But I do think you were offensive. Love to see some pictures of your car!!

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Mr. Thin Skin, here's exhibit #1! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/2195/mycarhg7.jpg

[Stefano]

On the subject of Camaro Discrepancies: I had an Van Nuys built SS350 with a real 140 speedo. No 13/16" Sway Bar?

I have found two 13/16" Sway Bars on 1970 SS Novas.

[njsteve]

SWAYBAR ENVY

What's all this hoopla about 13/16" sway bars anyway?

Real musclecars have real sway bars.

Here's mine, all 1.25" of manly thickness. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Oh, and here's a photo of my sway bar, too. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/nk15268/P8120006.jpg

[king_midas]

Anything is possible, and everything was available over the counter for a large number of years. If you read about it in a mag, it was available. I would think that the stuff that points to 9737 was added-on, or picked up from points elsewhere.

But, the difference here is that people are splitting-hairs on both sides. Who cares... 13/16", SCC, whatever...

Also, I must say that even back in the "I remember the good ol' days", very very few people actually placed special-orders. A family member of mine used to sell Chevys, and they sold them then like they sold them now-- Anything that was a pain in the neck to process was usually not, and the person either got what they got, or moved on to another dealer. Most people fail to remember this. Based on this, the likelihood of someone choosing to special-order the paint on the back of a Camullet, and some of the other options being bantered about in this thread, is highly unlikely.

Nice car none-the-less, and if the owner is happy, everyone else can stick it.

[ss427copo]

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I'm gonna take a break for awhile....there are more important things to attend to...

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I've been reading and reading and reading. Bruce, I agree. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif
Remember gentleman, this is a HOBBY. Life is too freakin' short to worry about a blacked out rear panel or the thickness of a tie rod. DON'T FLAME ME!

Bruce has a child who ain't 100%.....I have a child who died of leukemia...we all have our life situations. Just keep this car thing in perspective. And....anyone who can let me see my son smile one more time can have both of my cars..........no questions asked. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Jeff x2 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Lots & lots of '70 SS Nova's came with F41 suspension - which got you a 13/16" bar, obviously interchangeable with the Camaro.

I guess I missed the emotional connection between the technical merits of the car with the owner http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[MYSTERYCHEVELLE]

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It's funny, when the initial post was put up abot Dave's Camaro being in Hemmings...right after his Z28 was on the cover last month...there was nary a word out of anyone...



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HERE HERE!! Aint that the truth!! I said exactly that.. saddened that so many could VIEW my post that a fellow Member got major print and so VERY few could even type the word Congrats! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

As my friend Bruce already said.. Dave is one of the Good Guys in this hobby and one of my best friends. I have witnessed his generosity and honesty many times. When you question the article whether you intend to or not.. you question Dave's Integrity and trust me.. he has a ton of it!!! I am quite sure Dave provided the editors with what he knows and how he knows it.. can we all question it?? Sure.. but there is a thing called Tact! I don't know squat about Camaros.. but I know people and I can't even imagine how it would feel to have my car featured in HMM and then have people hiding behind a computer keyboard talking about the tecnical merits and not saying wayy too go!! kind of takes the Joy of it I would imagine http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif Would it have been so hard to just say.. Nice Ride!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif Not saying we aren't allowed to question things.. but lets just not forget this car belongs to a fellow Member here, David Lindsley( referred to as the Owner over and overe here ) and I am sure he was hoping that some of his Own, like any Club.. would say something nice.. but alas.. my other post about his Feature went down the tubes too... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Oh well, I am not looking to continue this any further and I am sure Dave isn't looking for anyone to come to his defense, but I sometimes have a hard time keeping my mouth shut, so that's why I am here.... and I am sure he is reading all of this and well, I guess just thought it was important that he hear from his FRIENDS that we all Love the car and we are glad the editors found it an interesting enough car to Feature ... you are a FIRST CLASS Man Mr. Lindsley!! Don't let em get you down!

Mike Crown

[TDW]

I don't know Dave, although he sounds like the kind of person I would get along with. What I do know is that is a REAL NICE Camaro he has there and I would sure be proud to own it. Nice ride you have Dave. Congrats on the articles too!

[ANDY M]

What he said. The questions I asked about the COPO 9737 were just that, questions. I hope that Dave didn't take that the wrong way. If the car is nice enough to get a feature in Hemmings, who cares about some trivial details. It's a magazine, not a points judged show.
Dave, I think your car is great. Keep driving it, so it won't get dusty. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
Mike, while it is great to get compliments, I don't think any of us really need to get stroked, JMHO. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[SS427]

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I have a child who died of leukemia...

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Jeff, very sorry to hear about that. There is NOTHING in this world worse than losing a child.

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Bruce has a child who ain't 100%.....

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You are so right. I bet if you asked Bruce or Lynn, they would tell you she is 150%. I have not yet had the opportunity to meet Holly or Lynn yet but they have to be wonderful people.

I would love to meet Dave some day. Sounds like a great hobbiest and collector. That is what we need more of today, hobbiests. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Sure glad I do not get too involved with the Camaro stuff. I know very little about them and that can prove harmful. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Steve Shauger]

This is a great site for gathering information and sharing a common interest. The old adage "it's not what you say but how you say it" or "treat others as you want to be treated" still holds true. This thread started out innocent enough but quickly turned destructive rather than constructive.

My goal is to share information, educate and assist one another. I am not here to insult someone or there car. If a question is asked I will share my knowledge which may seem helpful to some and offend others (by all means correct me if I'm wrong).

When a car is displayed in a magazine it may come under scrutiny, especially if statements are made that are counter to conventional wisdom. A question came up on the CRG site regarding this car's 9737 equipment and this was my take:
"I am not aware of any 69 camaros that had the 9737, but were not equipped 9560 or 9561 427 engines. However in 1968 all Yenko cars were in fact 9737 copo's and the 427's were installed by Yenko(427 conversion). Some of the cars were never converted and they were 9737 copo's with factory L78's."

By sharing this information, I learned that not all 68 Yenko's were 9737 equipped. This information followed my post.