1970 Nova SS 396 on Ebay

[Mr. Chevy]

Ebay item # 160146466241... Guys, check this one out!! Just from a quick glance the air cleaner needs "to go". I never knew there was such a color as "phantom blue" I think he means FATHOM BLUE.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[allcamaro]

I have heard the blue called that many times over the years, breather looks kinda day two looking and I bet it came with the car from the early years, looks kinda cool and the owner may think its the correct one or just likes it.

[PeteLeathersac]

"we worked tirelessly tring to not miss a detail"

Clickable - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...66241#mainImage (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fs earch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3 DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37%26satitle%3D160146466241%26ca tegory0%3D%26fvi%3D1&item=160146466241#mainImage)

~ Pete
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[Schonyenko2]

Never seen that air cleaner on a nova. While it may be dual snorkle, it's not the kind I've seen on 70 L 78 applications. Grille could use a little black, and the SS emblem. Nice color(fathom blue).

[WILMASBOYL78]

731 is the standard black bench seat interior...this car has repop deluxe seat covers, repop deluxe door panels with the original sun-faded handles....has potential..but like so many others..lacks in the details. Best to look at it in person....

wilma

[redeuce]

You people really need to quit bashing every car that comes up for sale in the country, using your "expert" criteria on every car. Pete, you've got 1700 posts and almost all that I've read are trying to stir up something about a car.

It bothers me on this one because I know the car.

I know the guy that's selling the car- I know the car- I've seen the car before restoration and after. It's a very nice car. The mileage is right- the documents are real- the numbers are there. That is not the original air cleaner- he never said it was anywhere in the ad- and he is smart enough to know it's not the right one. The original air cleaner was lost, and getting the right one was not cost effective.
He's also not asking $100,000 for it.

I'm sorry to pop off, but you guys spend way too much time picking innocent people's cars apart and judging them all as if they were being sold as Vette- Fest Gold Spinner winners.

[markjohnson]

Amen and very well said, redeuce. I'm a little tired myself of self-proclaimed 'experts' ripping apart other cars to show off their knowledge of certain vehicles. Even when they're not even for sale like the Fathom Green '69 Camaro in the new Hemmings musclecar magazine that ended up belongng to a member of this very own board. I guess picking flaws is what you do when you can't afford the car.

[BARN FIND]

[ QUOTE ]
Amen and very well said, redeuce. I'm a little tired myself of self-proclaimed 'experts' ripping apart other cars to show off their knowledge of certain vehicles. Even when they're not even for sale like the Fathom Green '69 Camaro in the new Hemmings musclecar magazine that ended up belongng to a member of this very own board. I guess picking flaws is what you do when you can't afford the car.

[/ QUOTE ]

OUCH!!!
I may be in the minority here but...I come to this site for the knowledge of the members. We DO have "experts" here and if they did not impart their knowledge then I would feel slighted. If you are going to advertise a car as a "frame off restoration" then be ready to hear what is not correct on the job you did. You can rebuild a car from the ground up, but if you don't put it back to the way it rolled off the dealers floor then it is a rebuild not a restoration. As for the "not being able to afford" part...do you think that every "expert" at documenting art for the Louvre can afford to by the art for themselves? Does that make them any less an expert?

[WILMASBOYL78]

Ray, you are not in the minority by a long shot...people who want to advertise a car for sale here should look at the positive side of the collective knowledge available...I for one would be glad to help anyone with info on Novas...photos, resto stuff, etc...and I'm sure others would do the same for other makes and models...it is true we can sometimes be a little "picky" but that is the price of admission. Besides, once a car goes to Ebay the scrutiny becomes even more important(at least for me)...now back to the car...bench seat TH400 L78 Novas are a rare bird and are a blast to drive(I know http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif)...this car appears to have most of the right stuff and Fathom Blue is a cool color...perhaps it will find a good home and be enjoyed....ps: looks like the bidding has ended http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif


wilma

[BARN FIND]

Tom, I agree 100%. I have been messing with 70-74 Camaros for almost 30 years and I still learn things about them on this site.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

If people don't want negative comments, then do it right. If not, then don't over-advertise it. Why is this so hard for some folks http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Mr. Chevy]

HEY FELLAS IT IS CALLED CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.... NOBODY IS BASHING ANYONE'S CAR.. THAT WAS NOT MY INTENT FOR POSTNG THIS AD!!! I THOUGHT IT WAS A COOL LOOKING CAR AND LIKE WILMA STATED, L78 BENCH SEAT TH400 NOVAS ARE RARE CARS AND FUN TO DRIVE!! I REALLY LOVE THEM!! YEAH, I KNEW THE AIR CLEANER WAS WRONG AND SAID SO, BIG DEAL!! MAYBE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCLOSED IN THE E-BAY AD.. I SEE LOTS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DO NOT KNOW ANY DIFFERENT AND TO THAT INDIVIDUAL THAT PURCHASES THE CAR, THINKS ITS CORRECT, THEN SHOWS IT ONLY TO GET IT PICKED APART BY A JUDGE AT A SHOW AND DEDUCT POINTS.. HOW DO YOU THINK THAT PERSON WOULD FEEL.. MAYBE IT'S BETTER TO KNOW AHEAD OF TIME OR BEFORE SOMEONE BIDS $40,000.00, YOU THINK?? AND YES, THERE ARE EXPERTS ON THIS SITE THAT ARE A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE WHEN IT COMES TO CERTAIN CARS AND I VALUE THEIR CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AND EXPERT KNOWLEDGE.. I THINK YOU ARE "READING INTO" THINGS TOO MUCH.. I CAN ONLY DEFEND MYSELF AND CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL!! MAYBE THERE ARE SOME INDIVIDUALS THAT JUST LOVE TO "PICK THINGS APART" FOR THEIR OWN GRATIFICATION AND IF SO SHAME ON THEM... THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY!!

RICH

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Rich is correct, the more disclosure in an ad the better. When we talk about cars like this, it's a learning experience for all of us - not a bash session!

[1969l78]

This site teaches me alot about what is wrong with some of these high priced cars, what to look for, and I have learned a ton already in my short time on this site. The day will come soon when I buy my next nova, (hopefull an L34 or L78) and the first people I will ask for some advise are right here on this site. If I am spending the kind of money that I will have to I hope people give me the correct info what to look for. This site is great, I love what I have learned. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif

[Schonyenko2]

[ QUOTE ]
"we worked tirelessly tring to not miss a detail

If I ruffled someones feathers, I apologize, but the statement above seems to be somwhat contadictory. No ones pointing out a missed chalk mark, or a difference in the sheen of a black panel. Most things pointed out are basic stuff. The air cleaner kinda bothered me because, yes it's a dual snorkle and although the ad doesn't say it's correct, it doesn't really say it's not. And there's about a 2k difference. Therefore leaving a novice buyer to the honesty of the seller. Perhaps the grille area was an oversight. That happens. No big deal. But again we go back to the quote above. And Marlin's comment on overblown descriptions.
It's a nice car. I had one a lot like it, and loved the color. And the name gets misspelled, and screwed up all the time. Still pretty.
I don't bash cars. We're way more into helping others with projects, than tryin to tear someone elses down. These were a couple of things that just kinda jumped out. Best of luck to your friend on the sale.

[CamarosRus]

Reduce and Mark Johnson, Tom Williams is a 69/70 Nova expert.
I do not see most of the critique remarks as being "bashing" or "ripping". This websites readers either own many high dollar accurate restos (ala SCW customers), or many of the rest of us, are interested in details being accurate.
Nobody was implying that the Nova owner/seller is being deceitful. It is just being pointed out what parts and areas of restoration are accurate and what items or issues are NOT corrrectly done.
Last I heard members here have the right to post civil remarks about what they see or think in so far as restoration originality goes.
If you dont want these remarks made about your vechicle, you shouldnt participate in this public forum.
BTW, I wish ALL posters would have the common decency to at least sign off with a first name and last intial.
All this living behind a screen name is nonsense!!!!
Do you walk around the SCR10 or your work place calling friends and associates by a "screename"

my .02 and best regards,

[68l30]

I think most people forget where they are....This is not a hot rod disscussion forum. This is a site " Dedicated to the promotion and preservation of the Chevrolet dealer
built Supercars and COPO cars" ...That's straight from the homepage. I want to believe that's why most people are here. Yes, there's a tactful why of making a point on a car discussed. I'm guilty of being on agressive side (bashing) myself. If we cannot discuss cars that are out there...Should the owners word be taken as gospel? Hardly...Why are some cars untouchable and other given a free pass? You all were pretty hard on the car with the 22" wheels....But a discussion over a air cleaner,ect ???

[P.J.]

As a member of this site I would expect the members here to tell me what is wrong with my car. As I am not an expert on
all the details of my 2 cars. When members give me their opinion I am gratefull. I am always learning and hope to continue with the help of many of our experienced members.
Thats my 2 cents wort.
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PJ

[PeteLeathersac]

Me a $hit-disturber???http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif.

Although exceptions, I feel most of the scrutiny ever seen here is usually like-minded enthusiasts helping each other determine what to look for and see (or not to see) with GENUINE-ORIGINAL Hi-Performance musclecars also the sharing and scrutiny of the facts and details that help in the identification, preservation and restoration of these cars also their unique components..

No, outright bashing isn't good as perhaps that Hemmings car thread was a good example of...but if something is for sale and scrutiny helps another enthusiast realize what it truly is or helps them feel comfortable enough with what they see and know to pull the trigger, that's a good thing for everyone...including a seller!.
If there seems to be a fraudulent side of things, is it wrong in being pointed out before someone makes a major move when they perhaps shouldn't?.

As Randy already noted, perhaps he took more offence in this case as his knowing the subject car also owner he already felt the comfort of the situation and stated facts?.
Personally I don't feel anyone here was too critical as the postings all seemed to be in mentioning minor points of the car itself and/or responses to statements made in the seller's description?. Overall I think everyone here likes the car, loves the color and wasn't disputing it being a genuine L78 car...all good things!?.

No matter if it's big or small, I learn something here each and every day and appreciate the way others share their combined knowledge here freely...that's one of the best and most amazing thing about this site!.

~ Pete
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[JIM]

The car would have been just as correct with an Open Element Air Cleaner, that would not have stirred anything!!! No one spends the time to make a part pretty unless they want someone to look at it. . Nice car ,cool trans option, with a couple of tweaks, killer. I've seen a whole lot worse bashing here for the right reasons, there are too many cars being sold to first timers as correct and then they get that lovely feeling of WHAT DID I BUY !!! No harm in Educating the public and potential buyers here who are members or just visiting for info, I thought thats what you guys inspire to do!!! Share the vast knowledge with others to learn !!!!

Jim http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[redeuce]

Just a quick response about the thread:

1) HEY FELLAS IT IS CALLED CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.... NOBODY IS BASHING
ANYONE'S CAR..

Overall I think everyone here likes the car

1A) Here are the resounding comments of support on the car-

Guys, check this one out!! Just from a quick glance the air cleaner needs "to go". I never knew there was such a color as "phantom blue" I think he means FATHOM BLUE..

"we worked tirelessly trying to not miss a detail"

~ Pete

Never seen that air cleaner on a nova. While it may be dual snorkle, it's not the kind I've seen on 70 L 78 applications. Grille could use a little black, and the SS emblem

this car has repop deluxe seat covers, repop deluxe door panels with the original sun-faded handles....has potential..but like so many others..lacks in the details.

2) people who want to advertise a car for sale here should look at the positive side of the collective knowledge available

If you dont want these remarks made about your vechicle, you shouldnt participate in this public forum

2A) I agree- If someone is interested in purchasing a car or if a car owner comes to the board looking for opinions, by all means have at it. That’s what this board has always been known for. What disturbs me is that the policy has now degenerated into just randomly bringing every nice car to the attention of the board and judging it. Most of these cars that are being judged are not introduced to the board by owners or potential buyers, but rather just members that surf the net. And the worst part is, almost all of these vehicles are being judged on a few pics and bits of info on the internet. In most cases, no one visits the car in person, calls the owner, or even invites him to the board to defend himself.

Which leads to problem 3-

3) THERE ARE EXPERTS ON THIS SITE THAT ARE A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE WHEN IT COMES TO CERTAIN CARS AND I VALUE THEIR CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AND EXPERT KNOWLEDGE..

3A) There certainly are. Again, that’s the way it used to be. When a question came up, the experts in that particular field would share their knowledge. However, that has also deteriorated to the point that now EVERYBODY with an opinion on a car throws their 2 cents in. You guys evidently have short memories or don’t go back in old threads. I challenge all of you to read the old threads critiquing cars. Some are 5 and 6 pages long. Because I have been in the hobby and the business so long, I have had hands on experience with many of the vehicles that were discussed in this forum- I’ve seen vin numbers and stampings questioned that I know are right- I’ve seen cars given the seal of approval that I know are not right. Mistakes have been made here because too many opinions are being put forth rather than fact. You have to remember that every time you discuss a car and start going negative, you are casting a cloud of suspicion on it. A cloud of suspicion that hundreds of visitors see when they visit. I’ve had contact with several of these sellers and know for a fact that the cloud that this site put over a car adversely affected the sale. You have assisted in the sale of hundreds of cars, but you have also sabotaged many unjustly.

Which leads to problem 4-

4) This is a site " Dedicated to the promotion and preservation of the Chevrolet dealer
built Supercars and COPO cars"

4A) Therein lies another big problem. Many of you judge all cars by the strict Supercar standards. You forget that when dealing with higher volume production cars, many anomalies exist- things were changed on the assembly line due to breakage, shortage of parts, etc. Dealers added and subtracted things. Not every production car can be judged by the facts in a book. Not every production car was built to a strict, mistake proof standard and should not be judged as such. In many cases, a part may be incorrect according to all the books, but may actually be the part that was installed on the car. Also, many cars are judged by you as if the sellers were asking top retail price, and in many cases the car is priced at a very reasonable amount- leaving money on the table to fix things that aren’t 100% perfect.

I apologize to Pete and all other members for popping off. I didn’t mean to get excited and I know there are a great bunch of knowledgeable guys on this board. It just hit a nerve on the L78 Nova- that is a documented, numbers matching, 45K original mile car that was completely disassembled and in the shop for a year- and the best you guys could do was that it had the wrong air cleaner, a repop interior, possible faded door handles, needed detail, and the guy couldn’t spell Fathom Blue. Didn’t think that was an accurate portrayal of the car.

As always,

Randy

[L78racer]

FWIW if you look at the air cleaner on the T-37 in this thread; it looks very much like the one on the Nova.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/283312/an/0/page/0#283312

[iluv69s]

whats the correct air cleaner look like?? ...if you dont mind my lack of expertise?? Anybody got a pic?? I assume its worth a pretty penny? Is it the same as the Camaro?

[Mr70]

Yes,it's the same as the L-78 equipped 70 Camaro & LS-6 equipped 70 Chevelle.
Click HERE (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB10&Number=267617&Search page=1&Main=267569&Words=dual+snokle+mr70&topic=&S earch=true#Post267617).

[SuperNovaSS]

The air cleaner on the Nova looks like 68-72 Pontiac 400 dual snorkel with the vacuum pods removed.


Jason