More Logic.......

[kwhizz]

QUITE AN ANALOGY

I bought a bird feeder. I hung it on my back porch and filled it with seed. Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food. But then the birds started building nests in the boards of the patio, above the table, and next to the barbecue.

Then came the poop. It was everywhere: on the patio tile, the chairs, the table...everywhere.

Then some of the birds turned mean: They would dive bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out of my own pocket.

And others birds were boisterous and loud: They sat on the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day and night and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food.

After a while, I couldn't even sit on my own back porch anymore.

I took down the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone.

I cleaned up their mess and took down the many nests they had built all over the patio.

Soon, the back yard was like it used to be......quiet, serene and no one demanding their rights to a free meal.

Now lets see....... our government gives out free food, subsidized housing, free medical care, free education and allows anyone born here to be an automatic citizen.

Then the illegal's came by the hundreds of thousands.

Suddenly our taxes went up to pay for free services; small apartments are housing 5 families: you have to wait 6 hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor: your child's 2nd grade class is behind other schools because over half the class doesn't speak English: Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box; I have to press "one" to hear my bank talk to me in English, and people waving flags other than "Old Glory" are squawking and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.

Maybe it's time for the government to take down the bird feeder.



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[John Brown]

Get rid of the feeder, get rid of the poop.

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[ORIGLS6]

It's just SO DAMNED SIMPLE!!!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[69LM1]

As well as section 8 and housing projects too!

No reason why grown men and women should not be working instead of drinking mad dog under the interstate all day!

[68l30]

Oh it's very simple! Cut out all the free rides and make the people work for a living.....Why should they work if they can make the same money on welfare? Humm......Maybe just maybe the mexican/other labor force will dry up if the system quits giving out handouts....


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[bad1racing]

Heres an idea.Lets plan a ralley at a big arena agianst immigration policies,and when they all get in there ask for GREEN cards.Anyone without one bye-bye one way ticket back home.Then anyone on welfare needs to get out and get a job doing what these people were doing.Don't get me wrong welfare is for people who are down on thier luck not a future lifestyle.
OK I'm off my soapbox.
Kendall

[kwhizz]

I say get Rid of "ALL" the Electorate in Washington.....let's get some "Normal" people with common sense in there to straighten this mess out........It's "NOT" that difficult.........Just keep the ACLU and Lawyers out of the Picture...........

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[John]

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"kwizz" FOR PRESIDENT

"A Chevy in every garage....but you gotta drive-em"

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[Norm reynolds]

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say get Rid of "ALL" the Electorate in Washington.....let's get some "Normal" people with common sense in there to straighten this mess out........It's "NOT" that difficult.........Just keep the ACLU and Lawyers out of the Picture...........



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Amen to that
So far what I see as presidential candidates for 08 is nothing more that the same old thing None of then has any conmen sense None are for the working class
Maybe it just me but in seams like every one in our government is hell bent to destroy
this once great country We need some with big ones to get rid all of the lobbyist
As I see it is the lobbyist that is running this country trying to tell us what is good for us
Why in the hell are we still importing good's from China??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif1st Dog food than tooth paste then tires exploding . We can make a deference but we all have to work together
When we go to store to buy any thing that come from China we do not buy it let it sit and rot. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif every one has to be on board with this send China the message that there goods are not welcomed here

[kwhizz]

The Chinese thing is all about corporate "Profits".....I myself refuse to knowlingly purchase anything made over there.......Why should I buy something from there so some Corporation somewhere can make "More" Profit......but , yet..I would have to live with the Substandard Quality (Garbage) of what I purchased....."NOT".......

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[ORIGLS6]

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"kwizz" FOR PRESIDENT



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Well, I'd vote for him, but he's too smart to accept the nomination!

[Mr70]

I think we just found a campaign manager for the kwhizz in 08 ticket..

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[Schonyenko2]

[Just keep the ACLU and Lawyers out of the Picture...........

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Damn, you hate lawyers like most divcorced guys hate their ex wives. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif While I don't see it quite as black, or white as you do, I don't disagree enough to argue. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I would though encourage anyone here who believes that the system is broken, to become part of the process to fix it. Run for elected office. Town council, alderman, schoolboard, mayor, whatever. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.Democracies don't just fix themselves. People need to quit griping, and get directly involved.
One thing you will find out though, is that there are very few quick fixes, and most issues have many shades of gray.
The most important thing to remember is that you represent real folks, with very real problems, and if they are your constituents, you are responsible for them, and their needs.
Again, become involved. Had the founding fathers sat around and just bitched all day, we'd still be drinkin tea. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Ken Schoenthaler
Mayor, city of Donahue Ia.

[Tim Penton]

Very good post from both Kens! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[GRB]

They are your constituents and YOU are responsible for them and their needs?? Oh I get it, kind of like the govt. and especially Bush were responsible for the Katrina welfare clan.

Sorry, but I can't buy that and I'm quite sure that's not the America our "founding father" envisioned.

Ken, you have put your finger on exactly what is wrong with America today. We have a class of politicians who live off the power garnered from those very people you speak of who think the govt. is the answer to all their problems and needs. What a shame.

[Schonyenko2]

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They are your constituents and YOU are responsible for them and their needs?? Oh I get it, kind of like the govt. and especially Bush were responsible for the Katrina welfare clan.

Sorry, but I can't buy that and I'm quite sure that's not the America our "founding father" envisioned.

No. Your not listening. You're locked into the liberal/welfare, conservative mindset. Government is "for, and by the people".Responsibility to your people may mean a new sewer or water upgrade system. Your job is to get it done at the most affordable cost to not put an undue burden on seniors, and people with fixed incomes.
Responsibility means spending tax dollars wisley by using open bidding, not awarding no bid contracts.
Responsibility means, as Mayor, or president, you are going to be held accountable for your action, or inaction.
Bush was/is not responsible for the disaster that happened in New Orleans. He is indirectly responsible for putting people in critical positions who did not follow correct incident command structure protocal. He's not alone. neither did the govenor, or the mayor of NO.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

As much as I hate to admit it, this staunch Republican has to agree with that CCR lovin Demmy! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[ANDY M]

Gentlemen, please try to be a little bit objective here.
Suppose you have worked hard all of your life, but then you develope a medical condition that forces you to retire.
After you lose your insurance, can't get work anymore because of age discrimination, and you loose your house to payoff your bills, what are you going to do? There are many homeless people that are not alcoholics or drug users, but just got crushed by bad luck. Ohio has one of the highest foreclosure rates in the country, because folks who were trusting enough not to read the fine print got screwed when they took out those adjustable rate mortgages that keep going up, and they can't make the payments anymore. Look forward to seeing a lot more of that as the housing market implodes from too much greed.
If you're a Republican, check the history books for what Richard Nixon signed into law. Makes him look like a liberal by the neocon standards of today. BTW, he was in favor of social welfare reforms, not welfare elimination.
Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, section 8 are all social welfare laws voted on for the benifit of the people that need them. Sure there is abuse and fraud, but congress has passed plenty of "Welfare for the Rich" legislation too.
I know millionaires that insist on getting the senior discount they could live without. Saves them a dollar.
As Ken S. points out, do something if you want changes. Then think about the people we give charity to, and why they need it. You try to live on Soc. Sec. disability, and see how far that $1400 a month goes. Or just vote to do away with soc. sec, and become homeless because there is no such thing as section 8 housing. Can't afford to put your folks in a nursing home, but don't want the burdon of taking care of them? Without Medicare or Medicaid, your choice might not be the one you like.
JMHO. Soryy for venting, it's a touchy subject.

[YenkoYS-199Stinger]

Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me.
I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test and I have no problem with that.
What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them?

Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit on their butts all day doing drugs, while I pay for it, as many do.

Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?

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Chris
1966 Yenko Stinger YS-070
1967 Yenko Stinger YS-199
Southeast of Disorder

[kwhizz]

Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit on their butts all day doing drugs, while I pay for it, as many do.

Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!! Those of us that grew up with "The European Work Ethic" Mentality have No Problem Doing what's right to help out.......The Majority that grew up with the "Entitlement" Mentality (Read Welfare) don't even understand how Society Evolved into the "If you don't work, You don't eat" mentality of the early 1900's......It was simple then.........Work......Eat.......Work.......Eat... ...Not too hard to balance out and figure it out.......And....If you worked Harder and Longer and Smarter......you might be able to afford a "Luxury" item......I'm Sorry, But I was brought up differently than Most "Liberal" thinking people"
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[GRB]

Richard 'Moe' Nixon also signed into law the EPA, OSHA and affirmative action laws. I'm not sure who is more damnable for the current PC crisis we find ourselves in, Nixon or LBJ.

I'm not a Rep., but a conservative who believes we should either live according to our US constitution or throw it out and be done with it. I don't think the govt. has the right or legal responsibility to take from one person and give to another regardless of the emotional argument involved. Bush did not have the right to give 9/11 victims (?) hundreds of millions of dollars of stolen money any more than he had the right to give MN an unconstitutional, yet emotionally satisfying $30 million.

The shredding of our constitution has led to politicians, all of them, regarding our stolen money as theirs. Theirs to buy votes, garner goodwill, keep power and do with as they please. They seem to resent letting us keep any of our earnings. Earmarks, pork, whatever you call it is out of control. A man who doesn't respect what you have EARNED does not respect you in any way. Our elected tyrants have no respect whatsoever for their subjects. And I, for one, am sick of all of them.

[ANDY M]

Ray, how's this for a modest proposal:
Replace illegal workers with non-violent low- or medium security convict labor. We spend a redicules sum of money to keep people incarcerated for things like white collar crime, drug use, prostitution, etc.
Let them earn their keep doing the jobs that only the illegals will do, so they can "Pay" their debt to society.
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[kwhizz]

Here's another example........We have been going to Jamaica for many years......In the Early years , the Island was a "Filthy" paradise........there was Garbage all over the place.......Now......here was a Third World Country with no "Entitlements" (Welfare).......Actually they have a very good work Ethic and Values there.....So....What the Government did was to set up a system to where people were assigned a certain area to maintain and keep clean.....They were now given money to live on , "But"....they had to perform a "Service"........Now,After this system has been in place for 10 years, you no longer see any Garbage laying around........the whole mindset has changed to when there is minimal litter....The Cities and surrounding areas are very clean..............But ......More Importantly....If someone litters and the cleaning person see's it, they get right in the Litterer's face and give them "Hell" for messing up "Their" area........It's like a competition to see who can do the best job ..........See.....It's pretty simple........Logic and Common Sense........There's plenty for the "Welfare" people to do in our Country for them to "Earn" their money that we give them.......The "Problem" is the over the years......The "Privelge" of receiving a subsidy has now become a "Right"........We need to go Back to Basic's.........If they can do it very well in a third world counrty..........We "Might" even be able to do it here........$.02.....

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[SmallHurst]

Lets run this up the flag pole and see who salutes.

During the depression, when no one had a job, the CCC and a couple of other govermental groups were put together to help try to put the country back on its feet. In the area where I grew up, a lot of the bridges and county buildings were put together during this time. A lot of stone work, like the cemetary wall in Independence, Ks that probably stretches for 2 miles, is still there and standing. A lot of repair work/ replacement of these structures is needed and the counties are having to heap a large burden of taxes onto the people that actually pay their taxes. How about we get some of these people that can't find a job, put a shovel in their hand and get them to break a sweat! It would be amazing what could be done if they actually had to work for the money they get (those that are physically able to work). http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[kwhizz]

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Lets run this up the flag pole and see who salutes.

During the depression, when no one had a job, the CCC and a couple of other govermental groups were put together to help try to put the country back on its feet. In the area where I grew up, a lot of the bridges and county buildings were put together during this time. A lot of stone work, like the cemetary wall in Independence, Ks that probably stretches for 2 miles, is still there and standing. A lot of repair work/ replacement of these structures is needed and the counties are having to heap a large burden of taxes onto the people that actually pay their taxes. How about we get some of these people that can't find a job, put a shovel in their hand and get them to break a sweat! It would be amazing what could be done if they actually had to work for the money they get (those that are physically able to work). http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

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[69LM1]

Here's a real life one for ya.

I own a computer company, and make a nice salary. But, we still watch what we spend, and cut where we can and save for travel, kids education etc.

When Hurricane Katrina hit and we wound up first in little rock and then houston, I really thought we lost it all. No New Orleans meant no more computer company. Most of my employees found new jobs in the towns they evacuated to.

In short, we were offered food stamps, which I at first declined as we had savings and I was doing some tech work still. Then I thought about how much I pay in taxes, and said finally, shoot yea, give em too me.

As a family of four, we got so much in food stamps that we could NOT spend it all every month, even if we bought name brand everything! We only took em for two months as by then I started getting calls from customers who wanted to come back to New Orleans and realized that at least 50% of my customers and employees would be coming back.

At the end of the two months, we told the state that we no longer needed the food stamp system. We still had hundreds left on the credit card thing unspent, and they said we HAD to spend it, it could not be returned. We went out and bought steak every night just to get rid of the money on the card!

No wonder some people on food stamps "trade" em for crack. There's no way you can spend all that every month. They eat better than we do.........

[Tim Penton]

Rich, That is a fact. I used to get (and still am) extremely pissed off years ago when I first started in Law Enforcement as a Corrections Officer. I lived with my parents at home while earning only $6.33 an hour. I soon realized that damn near everyone in jail had a hell of a nest egg saved up for when they got out of jail due to relatives and/or friends saving their welfare and "crazy" checks (mental disability) for them to blow when hey got out of jail. These p.o.s. made more freakin' money than I did doing nothing. I'm not even going to go into the supplemental earnings the inmates had for illegal activities. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[GRB]

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Ray, how's this for a modest proposal:
Replace illegal workers with non-violent low- or medium security convict labor. We spend a ridiculous sum of money to keep people incarcerated for things like white collar crime, drug use, prostitution, etc.
Let them earn their keep doing the jobs that only the illegals will do, so they can "Pay" their debt to society.
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I'm all for that as long as they go back to their outdoor, non-air conditioned tent city at night. Why should we make criminals comfortable? Isn't it bad enough that their incarceration already cost us a fortune? We didn't break the law, they did. Make 'em pay and make the experience unforgetable....in a real bad way.

While we're at it let's make our God-like tyrants live with the same Social Security program we have to live and die with.

Let's face it we are a pus**fied nation compared to our forefathers, and even our own fathers. I am seriously concerned about what will happen when the next attack comes. We know there are suitcase nukes in the country and more on the way. When our future tyrants can focus on an attack rather than a defense what is to stop them from detonating a dozen or so well placed nukes? We know an attack is coming, what we don't know is what condition will our pus**fied nation find itself in when the 'dust' settles?

[nuch_ss396]

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Ray, how's this for a modest proposal:
Replace illegal workers with non-violent low- or medium security convict labor. We spend a redicules sum of money to keep people incarcerated for things like white collar crime, drug use, prostitution, etc.
Let them earn their keep doing the jobs that only the illegals will do, so they can "Pay" their debt to society.
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Andy, good suggestion. Now about that job for Paris Hilton.......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

Nuch