1970 Monte Carlo SS 454 LS5, # match Blk/Blk/Blk

[69LM1]

1970 Monte Carlo SS 454
It is rare to find a no excuse Monte Carlo SS these days, many have some “story” and no or fake documentation. Not this one. No stories. Original Drivetrain. POP. Many Big Block 402’s are passed off as SS car’s, don’t be fooled. Read the SS454 FAQ here:

http://www.firstgenmc.com/tech/ss454.shtml


First off, this is NOT a show car or even a restored car. It is a nice driver quality, dependable car. The paint, while professionally done, is not flawless. It is however a solid 8 out of 10 though. The body however I would rate a STRONG 9.5 out of 10. No rust ever! What little deviancies that the car may have are more than made up for in that this car has the most important part, the ORIGINAL, BORN WITH, NUMBERS MATCHING 454 LS5 engine. No restamps, and the VIN is by the Oil Filter and legible. As well as Rust Free, and a great body.

As backup documentation, this Monte SS features an original Protect O Plate (with the GM auth tape).

Finally, this car has the old Personalized Claifornia plate “SS454ME” from back in the day. Long before they were faking these cars.

She has the “boxed” control arms, as well as the Air Pump Relay behind the gas tank for the air ride system. The plastic lines are still on the car (but brittle) for the air ride system, and the rubber hoses are still under the hood. The air ride compressor is with the car, but loose in the trunk and I do not know if it works or not.


This car was RUST FREE before she was painted, and the only evidence of old body work was a filled dent about 6” x 8” on the passenger rear side. This was professionally reworked, and a NOS LH fender used and the body cleaned in prep for a black paint job. The paint is a Great daily driver job. Anytime you fix rust, well, they call it “cancer” for a reason. The black base coat clear coat has a great shine, and is a above average job. There are a few dirt motes, and she has not been wet sanded yet, so they will probably buff out. The car was originally a WHITE car with black interior and black “halo” top. She is now Black/Black/Black!


The interior is about 50% new. Headliner, Drivers Seat cover, and Vinyl Top. I bought a interior kit, and the rest will go with the car for future use. This included the passenger seat covers and foam and rear seat cover. The console is in great shape, as well as the dash pad. There are NO rips or tears in the dash. This is an original bucket seat, console, no tach car (and yes, not all Monte SS’s got tach’s or even buckets seats. They were all upgrades, see http://www.firstgenmc.com/tech/ss454.shtml ). She needs the domelight reinstalled.



The engine/drivetrain is all original, other than the carburetor, distributor and air cleaner. The monte comes with a good Quadrajet core for rebuilding. In the trunk, I have the original metal gas line for the fuel pump to carb. Also, in the trunk I have the original distributor ready to be rebuilt. The engine has not been rebuilt, but still runs strong and only smokes a little when she has been sitting up, and only then at high revs. I would say that the engine could use a freshening up. No knocks, pings or other issues with the engine. Unlike so many of these cars, you can keep the battery hooked up and it does not drain the system. I have left her unused for 6 months, hopped in and she started right up.

All of the chrome on the outside of the car is original and untouched. Some in better shape than others. Front bumper can be re-chromed, rear would need replacing for a show car. Same thing goes for the side body and rocker moldings. OK for a driver, replace for a show car.

She has new mufflers, but needs the correct exhaust tips. I have a repop set that will go with the car. The underside of the car is clean and rot free. Little surface grime. The 12 Bolt rear is in great working order

$16,000.00 for SYC Members

On ebay now:

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Rich

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Didn't they have an 'SS' emblem on the grille?

[Mr70]

No,John Delorean would not allow that.
He wanted a European luxury design 1st,as well as a docile appearance for this car.

[JQ]

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Didn't they have an 'SS' emblem on the grille?

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They did come with the SS454 emblem right behind the front wheels at the bottom of the fenders.... I believe a handful came with 4sds....

[69LM1]

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Didn't they have an 'SS' emblem on the grille?

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Nope. Not on the grill, as was mentioned, they did have the SS454 emblem in white behind the front tires in 1970. In 1971 they added a emblem on the rh side of the trunk spacer.

There has never been any documented 4 speed Monte Carlo SS's. There are a handful of big block 402 4 Speeds though. Many of the 402's have been "cloned" to look like SS's. You could even order the "Air Ride" system with non SS cars, and I have seen a few.

There has never been any documented LS6 Monte's either.

We always here the stories, but none have ever proved out true.

Nice cars, and ride great.

[Canucklehead]

I had a white one back in high school, loved the car lots of power and a comfortable ride. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm maybe its time to relive my past????????

[69LM1]

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I had a white one back in high school, loved the car lots of power and a comfortable ride. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm maybe its time to relive my past????????

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Let me know, special deal for sYc members! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif
Rich

[Fast67VelleN2O]

A guy here in jersey SWEARS he bought a one owner 70 LS5 4-speed Monte SS back in the mid 80's and drove it. He has since sold it to someone else... so who knows.

[3macs1]

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A guy here in jersey SWEARS he bought a one owner 70 LS5 4-speed Monte SS back in the mid 80's and drove it. He has since sold it to someone else... so who knows.

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I for one despite the fact we cannot find a documented one know for sure they did exist with a 4spd since I also bought one for salvage in probally 84.It was rusted beyond repair but the drive train was 100% original.Like the one for sale it was triple black LS-5 454 4speed. I still have most of the drive train buried somewhere I would say as well as the muncie, shifter, pedals etc. It had the adjustable shocks and compressor which I just found in the last year and sold on e-bay as well as factory tack and guages, tinted glass and a AM 8 track.
Disc brakes were two piece rotors, power steering, F41 but no posi. Also had the windshield washer fluid monitoring set up. The floor hump for the shifter was factory installed for sure which was very clear when we cut it out.
Interesting part was it was a bench seat car and the only SS emblems I remember were on the fenders.
Years later after finding out some were saying the 70 monte never existed with a factory 4 spd a guy came and pulled what was left of the shell out of the woods since the vin and cowl tag was still in place and I had all the paper work but I never heard what he did with the remains.It was quite rough.

[69LM1]

Guys,
More than likely these were BB 402 cars, and yes the "Air Ride" system that was standard on all Z20 Monte Carlo SS cars was an RPO for other cars as well. I have seen a few non SS's with this system. In all this time, there have been more than a handfull of Monte 402's with a 4 speed show up. Never a SS. Statistics alone would dictate that at least one would have shown up.

Now, if you had the "LS5" out of that car and the vins on the "454" and the 4 speed matched.............

Like I said, there are many "ghost" stories of that kind. Also, the same thing goes for a Monte SS with the LS6, plent o stories and "friends" but no one has yet to have one spring up.


Is it possible? Sure, seemed like anything was back in the day http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif , I know I sure wish I was around and knew then what I do now!

[3macs1]

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Guys,
More than likely these were BB 402 cars, and yes the "Air Ride" system that was standard on all Z20 Monte Carlo SS cars was an RPO for other cars as well. I have seen a few non SS's with this system. In all this time, there have been more than a handfull of Monte 402's with a 4 speed show up. Never a SS. Statistics alone would dictate that at least one would have shown up.

Now, if you had the "LS5" out of that car and the vins on the "454" and the 4 speed matched.............

Like I said, there are many "ghost" stories of that kind. Also, the same thing goes for a Monte SS with the LS6, plent o stories and "friends" but no one has yet to have one spring up.


Is it possible? Sure, seemed like anything was back in the day http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif , I know I sure wish I was around and knew then what I do now!

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DAAAAAAAAA Joe do you think you can tell the difference between a 402 and a 454 since when you parted that car you probally had 50 BBC engines and bought the engine for a spare for your 70 ls-5 chevelle. Give me a break. I guess that old flywheel with the big weight on it you have on your bench off the monte, or the cross mount muncie shifter laying in the front seat of that old 68 impala in your barn is not real either.Nor was the N20 right on the cowl tag which is why the guy took it out of the woods.
I was told after I did some research on this car long after it was parted that there was 4 of these produced in canada so really what are the odds of one showing up. NOT.
This one was the real deal and buried in my pile of BBC and muncies I still have the engine and trans unfortunately I cannot dig through all of the stuff right now.
Believe what you want but I know different.
The 4spd 70 monte 454 lived in canada for sure

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Wow! That's throwing the smack down - where's my popcorn! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[69LM1]

All I can say is show me the proof and I will be happy to concede. As of now, you say that you have the engine and transmission. Should be easy. Unless you are not as sure as you think you are. Also, as far as I know, there were NO codes on the Monte Carlo trim tags that showed any type of "Z"20 SS options. Don;t know what a "N"20 is?

[3macs1]

Just got my hackles up Marlin that is all. Just because 37 years later we cannot locate one they didnot exist. BS.
Unfortunately when I had my access to it I didnot know what it really was but who cared back then especially with an old Monte. They were not what we called a collector or a muscle car back in the day. In fact in my town mostly the girls and school teachers drove them.Just a car we would check for options for your chevelle and part out. I parted a couple other monte BBC also but nothing like this black one and no other 454's.Everyone today is a expert but in many cases don't have a clue what was really made expecially when you add canada to the mix.
I cannot dig right now through 35 BBc blocks to prove a point and those that know me understand why.
Sorry on the "N' I guess i should have said "Z". Regardless it was stamped right on the cowl tag. This car was produced in canada.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

Just because one hasn't "shown up" doesnt mean that it won't, or that they ever produced one. Who in their right mind would Clone and restamp a 4-speed LS5 monte? Spend 45k on a resto to get maybe 20k out of the car? I know i wouldn't, and ims ure if one shows up without dosc, they wouldn't have wasted their time restamping a Monte anyway.

my .02

[Late BrakeU2]

This one falls in line with the L89 Nova and 70 L78 TH400 Camaro threads.Just think if we had actual production records then we'd be bored to death like the mopar and Ford guys http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Personally i'm from Missouri on all of em.People were doing all kinds of swaps when the cars were only a couple of years old,then thirty years later our memories burn it into total conviction that's the way it came from the factory because nobody would bother doing that to a car back then.
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[69LM1]

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Just got my hackles up Marlin that is all. Just because 37 years later we cannot locate one they didnot exist. BS. Unfortunately when I had my access to it I didnot know what it really was but who cared back then especially with an old Monte. They were not what we called a collector or a muscle car back in the day. In fact in my town mostly the girls and school teachers drove them.Just a car we would check for options for your chevelle and part out. I parted a couple other monte BBC also but nothing like this black one and no other 454's.Everyone today is a expert but in many cases don't have a clue what was really made expecially when you add canada to the mix.
I cannot dig right now through 35 BBc blocks to prove a point and those that know me understand why.
Sorry on the "N' I guess i should have said "Z". Regardless it was stamped right on the cowl tag. This car was produced in canada.

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1st - So, if you can't remember Z and N codes, but you can remember a xx year old block pull, but *dont* have *time* to pull and post pics of your "supposed" 4 speed monte, I don't have a whole lotta belief in this 4 speed thing.

2nd - No where did I say that there is 100% no way. If fact, I even stated that it seemed that if you knew the right people you could get almost anything.

Finally, my point stands, if there have been 4 speed Monte 402's that have shown up, why not any 4 speed SS's?

Same points with the LS6.


Bottom line. If you have the proof like you say you do, put up or shut up! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

[3macs1]

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This one falls in line with the L89 Nova and 70 L78 TH400 Camaro threads.Just think if we had actual production records then we'd be bored to death like the mopar and Ford guys http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Personally i'm from Missouri on all of em.People were doing all kinds of swaps when the cars were only a couple of years old,then thirty years later our memories burn it into total conviction that's the way it came from the factory because nobody would bother doing that to a car back then.
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I agree many were doing swaps in those years but no one makes a mess like GM when they install a 4 spd floor hump nor would anyone take the time to install the worst 4spd cross member mounted muncie shifter ever produced not to mention hook up a complete column reverse lock out system.
Only Gm does that

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Yea, take that.... oh yea, I'm watching this one - WWE's got nothing on the sYc. Bring it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kim_Howie]

ROUND 3 ding ding http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[3macs1]

- So, if you can't remember Z and N codes, but you can remember a xx year old block pull, but *dont* have *time* to pull and post pics of your "supposed" 4 speed monte, I don't have a whole lotta belief in this 4 speed thing.

2nd - No where did I say that there is 100% no way. If fact, I even stated that it seemed that if you knew the right people you could get almost anything.
Finally, my point stands, if there have been 4 speed Monte 402's that have shown up, why not any 4 speed SS's?
Same points with the LS6.


If the number I was given years ago of only 4 being produced in canada I know the faith of one what are the chances of finding one of the other three.
The codes mean nothing to me since I don't follow Monte's which is why I had the letters wrong.About 10 years after I parted the car I discovered what it was but it was too late.I remember every BBC engine I had and still have.My mind is still good thank god.And I remember like it was yesterday that code on the cowl tag which is why the guy went through all the trouble of removing the body from the woods.
Having time to pull the block it is not my problem, no strength from battling cancer is my excuse and I cannot lift even one head off the pile to look.
If you want to look I think it is buried under these heads.
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Someday someone will clean out the barn and it is there with probally two other 70 LS-5's in that pile and more in others. You believe what you want but I know I parted a original 70 ls-5 4spd SS.I will make sure you get your vin number then so you can change the record books.

[kwhizz]

Joe has forgotten more about Big Block cars than any of us will ever know......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[69LM1]

Joe,
Sorry to hear about the cancer. I apologize and retract that request to pull the blocks.
Sincerely,

Rich

[Stefano]

Sorry to hear about the Cancer as well. Just recently coming off Chemo, I can tell you I had the strength of a new born Babe. I could barely move a big block head, much less a block. Good bless and I pray that you too win your battle.

For what it is worth, approx 13 years ago I was asked to inspect a 1970 Monte Carlo SS LS5 4 speed, for a dealer.

Even though we had never seen one before, it was no big deal. Cool car, but no big deal. Copo Chevelles and LS6s were less than $50k and people/collectors were just starting to really take notice, of those cars.

It was a triple green driver quality car. All original drivetrain, CRN code on the block, 3.31 posi, factory tach, buckets and console, no A/C.

We looked for a build sheet and were not able to find one.

The car appeared to be an original 4 speed, along with the correct dates, part numbers and stampings. The car sold for approx $8,000.00.

The dealer has long closed down and I have no idea where the car went?

Look at that '69 GP 428 4 speed that I sold earlier this year. I had mumerous emails/calls from Pontiac Guys telling me that such a car had never been built, even though other examples do exist.

[Mr70]

Joes example stands out to me,because if he can retrieve the CON VIN,(either off the block or from what's left of the vehicle itself),he can submit it to George Zapora @GM Vintage Vehicle Services in Canada for quite possibly a full confirmation.
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[3macs1]

Thanks Stefano for sharing your experiences.Sounds like you are beating this beast which is great to hear. I am hoping to do the same. Like my wife says I went from a race horse that could out work two men and a boy to a donkey over night that a baby could whip.
I know what the monte I parted was and wish I had of left it together. Same time it was just driven daily through all of the severe NS winters with all of our salt on the roads so it was rusted to death.
I talked about it last night with my brother who at the time was living home and helped me part it. He remembered me tossing the rear since it was not posi and didnot have even 308 gears and the fact it had no smog and no heat stove to the air cleaner.
I am not going to up set the GODS once again with your 69 pontiac 4spd 428 but like you I know that car also existed.Not going to mention names but did you sell yours to a guy that curently has a real nice restored 69 442 and a 71 4spd olds. If not he has one also original that he is restoring and we have been in contact when he was looking for parts since there was a guy with one of them up here at that time.I remember it well since it was the first GM car I had seen with a electric rear defogg which was pretty cool in a 69.
Rick you are right about the docs for the canadian car.Like I said we have to get into the stuff eventually so now I have two blocks to look for. The one out of the 70 monte 4spd and the 4 bolt 512 oval port out of the 70 Impala.

[ORIGLS6]

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Joe has forgotten more about Big Block cars than any of us will ever know......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif...........and I don't think he's forgotten all that much. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[SS427]

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Joe has forgotten more about Big Block cars than any of us will ever know......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

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Besides the fact that he too is an SS427 Impala fan makes him doubly cool! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Not many of us around you know. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[3macs1]

One thing I know for sure is that you are all one great bunch of guys. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[69LM1]

At least's it's kept interesting w/o degrading into name calling....... much http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Now, who's gonna buy this monte? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Rich

[buickjef]

In our village there's a guy who owns a '71 SS454 Monte with a 4 spd. and level air suspension. He has a photocopied window sticker that he displays with it, but I heard the car was an auto then tranformed into a 4 cogger but it's hard to say unless it's a Canadian ordered car that a person could get the info on right from the source. Did you know that on the emblem of the knight's visor that the year of the Monte's is wrote in Roman numerials? Kinda cool Monte trivia.

[69LM1]

Nope. I did not know that! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[olredalert]

------Im curious where a Canada delivered Monte Carlo would have been built???..........Bill S

[Mr70]

One would think Oshawa,but technically,anyone of the 6 US plants could have also.

[69hurstSC]

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how about the LS6 1970 El Camino...oh wait that does exist. and dont be so sure on mopar guys being bored to death. we dont have production #'s on our options 1969 and earlier. plenty of ghost stories with the mopar guys. could you imagine trying to prove the legitamacy of a 66 4 door hemi Coronet nowdays? only 4 of them built. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[njsteve]

...or the rumors of the one or two station wagons built with the 426 hemi in '66 or '67.

[Stefano]

There is at least one Govier/GTS documented Hemi Wagon.

[tom406]

'66-'71 Street Hemi Wagon? Or '62-'65 Race Hemi Wagon ala the Max Wedge wagons they just referenced (and displayed one unrestored one) in the new HOT ROD magazine?

[69LM1]

Auction ends soon. Lowered Reserve,
Rich