got this today..

[WILMASBOYL78]

....think about this when you go behind the curtain and pull the lever.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[kwhizz]

Look at all the Crap Bush has put up with in regards to the firings ..........I just want one Democrat to justify and explain the Logic behind the Marc Rich Pardon...........I need someone who's smarter than me to explain it cause ........Well.....Just Because....

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[WILMASBOYL78]

Ok...we are looking for someone..anyone...who claims he is smarter than Kenny...mail your applications and resumes to Sam Scardino c/o I wish I Had a Big Block..Box 69..Skunkhollow, PA 12345

all applications will be kept private http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif suitable candidates will be listed in a future post..thank you for you're continued support..

Eastern HQ for Cheeseheads...

[Schonyenko2]

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If you're behind a curtain, and pulling someones lever,"you might be a Republican". http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[nuch_ss396]

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OUCH ! Almost makes me embarrased to be a Republican - almost.

Let's try that in the Blue Collar Comedy Tour ganre:

If you're behind a curtain, and pulling someones lever,"yooooou might be a Republican". http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[kwhizz]

I just want to understand the Rich pardon..........I'm sure that once I'm able to understand that one item......Everything will become very clear http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[ORIGLS6]

Anyone who believes Hillary is the answer needs to SERIOUSLY review the question.

[WILMASBOYL78]

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I just want to understand the Rich pardon..........I'm sure that once I'm able to understand that one item......Everything will become very clear http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

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Would somebody please help Kenny out with this question http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif next thing he'll want to know where Jimmy Hoffa is http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

wilma

[WILMASBOYL78]

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..what he said http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

wilma

[kwhizz]

Crickets.................. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gifMe http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[427TJ]

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Look at all the Crap Bush has put up with in regards to the firings ..........I just want one Democrat to justify and explain the Logic behind the Marc Rich Pardon...........I need someone who's smarter than me to explain it cause ........Well.....Just Because....

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I'll try to explain the Marc Rich pardon if you can explain the Nixon pardon. Scooter Libby too while you're at it. Ollie North. John Poindexter. (See: quid pro quo)

Ken, one thing we can all agree on is that politics is very sleazy when the sheets are pulled back and we see whom is in bed with whom. What's the old saying? "There are two things you don’t want to see being made—sausage and legislation." Presidential pardons fall under the legislation category but they often smell of maggot-infested sausage.

Oh, and guess who Marc Rich's defense lawyer was from 1985 until 2000? Scooter Libby.

[kwhizz]

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Look at all the Crap Bush has put up with in regards to the firings ..........I just want one Democrat to justify and explain the Logic behind the Marc Rich Pardon...........I need someone who's smarter than me to explain it cause ........Well.....Just Because....

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I'll try to explain the Marc Rich pardon if you can explain the Nixon pardon. Scooter Libby too while you're at it. Ollie North. John Poindexter. (See: quid pro quo)

Ken, one thing we can all agree on is that politics is very sleazy when the sheets are pulled back and we see whom is in bed with whom. What's the old saying? "There are two things you don’t want to see being made—sausage and legislation." Presidential pardons fall under the legislation category but they often smell of maggot-infested sausage.

Oh, and guess who Marc Rich's defense lawyer was from 1985 until 2000? Scooter Libby.

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Just explain Marc Rich.........I think that the Clinton's and their behind the scene dealings will become a "Focal" point if "Billary" makes it (And I hope she doe's) to keep the "Rock Star" in school a little longer till he gathers enough Intelligence for his Diploma....

My $.02

Get "Rid" of them "ALL"

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[427TJ]

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I think it's gonna be Fred Thompson. He appears folksy/wise, southern with the perfect drawl, tall, fatherly/grandfatherly, actor (can read a script without falling all over himself). Fred beats Hillary in the general election because he's male and he doesn't seem like a politician, he seems like our dear old uncle Fred. I see him as the cool, wise old admiral in "The Hunt for Red October." He may not have Reagan's long resume full of staunchly conservative credentials but we're no longer in the Cold War era. This is the War on Terror era (which is permanent, by the way) and a guy like Fred is the father figure the country needs now, especially after the bumbling son has been in for eight years. If it is Thompson, I hope he can restore a more adult sensibility and maturity to Washington and brush aside the "whiz kids" who have been running amok for eight years.

The Republicans would LOVE to dump Iraq in Hillary's lap but the drawback would be Hillary as president. Might be fun to have Bill back in the D.C. social scene though and Republicans could raise billions if Hillary was president. (That's one thing Republicans say they miss about Bill Clinton's presidency: they raised TONS of money.) I'd bet that Fred can easily maneuver his way out of any talk of an Iraq pull-out just by acting fatherly and stern about the facts and reality of the situation there. Besides, Iraq is where the oil is so we aren't going anywhere, although no politician is ever going to acknowledge that out-loud. They say "America's national interests" but that is properly vague political language. They dare not say "We cannot leave Iraq because we must to retain control over the vast oil fields and prevent China, India, and Russia from gaining any foothold in the region."

Obama may be the liberal's "feel good" candidate but, as Chris Rock said about Colin Powell ten years ago, white Democrats will not vote for him (even though they say they would) in high-enough numbers. Obama is running for president but he's also running for a spot in Hillary's presidential cabinet, as are John Edwards and Bill Richardson.

I think we can rest assured that things aren't going to change that much in 2008. I think a Republican (probably Thompson if he doesn't screw it up somehow) will win in a close election and the war will continue and domestically things will plod along just about the way they are now.

Troop withdrawls: Yeah, maybe a few thousand will be brought home next year for political reasons as the 2008 election draws near. Then, no matter who gets elected, the troops will go back to Iraq after the elections. That you can count on.

[427TJ]

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Okay Ken. First, look at this photo:

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That's Marc Rich's ex-wife Denise. Not a bad looking lady if I do say so myself. Let's go back to 1999-2000: Her incredibly wealthy husband has been in exile overseas avoiding a trial over tax evasion, I think. (His lawyer, Scooter Libby, could not get the charges dropped.) Denise, like most women, thinks Bill Clinton is an exciting and powerful man (women think power is sexy) and she knows damn-well that Bill Clinton is a 10th-degree horn dog. She wants her ex to come back to the U.S. and she probably wants his assets released from government control (ex-wife + frozen assets = desperate measures). Okay, so she befriends President Horndog, probably wearing a similarly-revealing dress as we see above, and Bill's salivary glands (and other glands) go wild. They begin having clandestine meetings and pretty soon her tongue is in Bill's ear and one of her hands is you-know-where. BINGO! "Yes, yes, YESSS!!! I will PARDON YOUR HUSBAND!!!! JUST KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING!!!"

Sorry, but as I said, power politics is sometimes a messy process when viewed too closely.

Okay, so Bill's on his way out in January 2001 and he does what all presidents do: he pardons his friends and the friends of his powerful friends. He also pardons anyone who might have been indicted and/or convicted of a crime during his administration, basically to shut them up and stop their prosecution cases from becoming messy public spectacles. In Marc Rich's case, it was probably the promise of a huge financial donation to Clinton's library construction fund and to the DNC. Oh, and that fun thing Denise did with her tongue when they were together. (Quid pro quo.) Denise Rich, as with so many women who got all tangled up with Mr. Horndog, knew how to get to Bill. I'm not defending him, I'm just pointing out how women knew how to get things from Bill. (Hurts go good!)

Okay, that's my guess at what was at play (at "play") with Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich. By the way, even Democrats were plugging their noses at the stench stirred up by the Rich pardon so the disgust was bi-partisan.

Okay, now please explain why President Nixon was pardoned by President Ford. Here's my guess: "Hey Gerry, I'll make you VP and then I'll resign if you then pardon me once you are president. Deal?" "Yes Mr. President, you have a deal." Ford knew he could never be elected on his own so he smartly jumped at the chance to become president through Nixon's resignation. Purely political opportunism. Naturally, they all denied the quid pro quo (Al Haig was the go-between, by the way) because the truth would have caused a national outrage. Nixon skipped town free from any further prosecution and Gerry Ford got to be president for two years.

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that sounds just like what FOX news has been saying all these years. nice round up TJ http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[WILMASBOYL78]

So, does that explanation get 'er done Ken..???

wilma

[kwhizz]

I didn't get past the picture yet......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

Me http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Mr70]

Now THAT'S a trained woman. http://tntu.net/images/smilies/horny.gif

[Schonyenko2]

You forgot Beebee Rebozo, and Robert Vesco. I was going to mention Scooter Liby, and of course Jack Abramhoff, who will be pardoned. And lets no forget all the patronage jobs fostered by Haliburton, and KBR. Out sourcing ain't no way to run a war.
Most folks don't remember who Marc Rich is, or really care.
He was a sleeze bag, and I think the above explaination is just about right on. But you can get over it, and move on. Marc Rich ain't gonna torpedo ole Hill. The fights gonna be for the independents. They'll remember the estemed senator from Idaho before they get their panties in a wad about Marc Rich.
I also agree about Fred Thompsen.I think you GOP gents should feel very good with him gettin in. Edwards might stand a chance with him, but Fred's smooth. He's got "the Regan" down, and improving. A Republican like Fred might be a healthy thing with a Democratic controlled congress, and senate. No one party should hold all three branches.
Now as a 35 year member of the UAW, I'd like to wish you all a happy labor day.
And to those who complain about the high cost of union labor, go ahead, hire some illegals, buy your kids toys from China,send some more jobs across the pond.
But God help you when we need steel workworkers, welders, tool, and die makers pattermakers, and all those folks who might help us if the $hit hits the fan, and we gotta fight a big one, cause we can hardly find enough people qualifyed to build armored humvee doors at the RI arsenal. And Wilma, if Jimmy Hoffa was alive there wouldn't be any Mexican truckers crossin the border in one piece. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Ken Schoenthaler, member
UAW Local 1304
East Moline Ill.

[SSJunkie68-69]

Being A Democrat Means Never Having To Say You're Sorry
By Doug Patton
September 4, 2007

Since the details of Idaho Sen. Larry Craig's disgusting restroom antics came to light, comparisons and contrasts of scandals involving Republicans versus Democrats have been made by almost every pundit with a political ax to grind.

Liberal commentators love to characterize Craig's tormented secret life and his traditional positions on issues such as same sex marriage as "hypocrisy," while conservatives point out that Craig has a right to take those positions regardless of his personal proclivities.

These views miss the point. While conservative Republicans have to live and die politically by the moral standards most Americans believe to be a reasonable code of personal behavior, Democrats have no standards for personal conduct. The litany of Dems who have thumbed their noses at decency in the name of political survival is long indeed.

President Bill Clinton refused to resign from office and served out the remainder of his term despite his crimes.

Sen. Ted Kennedy has been elected to seven more six-year terms since driving off that bridge at Chappaquiddick in a drunken stupor and leaving Mary Jo Kopechne to drown.

Rep. Gerry Studs, the first openly homosexual Member of Congress, had sex with male pages and then defiantly stayed in the House with the approval of his constituents and his Democrat colleagues.

Rep. Barney Frank hired a male prostitute with public funds, then looked the other way while his "aide" turned the congressman's home into a male brothel. Frank is now chairman of the powerful House Banking Committee.

Rep. Mel Reynolds was pardoned by his fellow deviant Bill Clinton after having sex with female pages.

The list goes on and on and on. And that doesn't even take into account the Democrat financial scandals that have plagued their party for decades. Remember Congressman William Jefferson, Democrat-Louisiana? The FBI found $90,000 in cash in his freezer last year. He's still in Congress.

Remember the videotape of Congressman Jack Murtha, Democrat-Pennsylvania, discussing a future bribe during the 1980 ABSCAM sting? He's still in Congress.

Remember Chicago Congressman Dan Rostenkowski, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee? Eighteen terms, seventeen indictments, yet the Dems let him serve right up to the moment the authorities hauled him off to jail.

But there is no hypocrisy here. How can there be, if they have no standards?

Republicans, on the other hand, are held to a higher benchmark, and rightly so. It is one we who believe in decency and traditional values have set for them, and one to which we should continue to hold them. Is it fair that Larry Craig is forced to resign from the Senate on the strength of such flimsy evidence? Not when held up to the Democrats' non-standard, but that is not our measure.

Should Barney Frank and Ted Kennedy be wearing orange jump suits at the Massachusetts state prison instead of attempting to destroy the Constitution on a daily basis in the U.S. Congress? Of course, but as your mother probably told you, if you are looking for fairness in this world, son, you are likely to be disappointed.

Democrat constituents apparently don't care what their elected officials do. As long as the goals of big government are served, sleaze and slime are just fine.

Republicans do care. We don't want those representing us soliciting men for sex in bathrooms. We think there are lines over which we will not allow our public officials to cross. Going clear back to Watergate, Sen. Barry Goldwater led the Republican delegation to the White House to inform President Richard Nixon that he had to resign. From then until last week, when Republican leaders told Larry Craig there was no room for his behavior in the U.S. Senate, the GOP has been policing its own.

By contrast, we all remember Democrat congressional leaders circling the wagons around Bill Clinton as he lied through his teeth (to the public and under oath) about his disgusting behavior.

Quite simply, being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Yep, what he said!

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disgusting restroom antics = ( restless middle leg syndrome or trying to signal for more toilet paper)

[Schonyenko2]

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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif Maybe the pharmaceutical lobby can send him a case of requip for that.

On behalf of my fellow Democrats, I apologize. I have sinned in my heart, well maybe some other spots too. and I admit, we're all nasty bad awful, and very, very naughty people. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

No more time to argue, me and kwizz gotta stare at Rich's wife some more. How's that for bi partisainship. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[kwhizz]

No more time to argue, me and kwizz gotta stare at Rich's wife some more. How's that for bi partisainship. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif


Who cares about Politic's anyway......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif

[gwawa]

Tomorrow we'll resolve that damn religion problem.....