copo camaro on ebay

[joey]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet...sspagenameZWDVW (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-1969-COPO-Camaro-fathom-green-427-muncie-4-speed-m22_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6161QQihZ010QQitemZ 200157767091QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW) I think this is the one that was being talked about here and then dissapeared

[427king]

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The Yenko and ZL1 cars did have special cowl tags and door tags , but the copo did not

[/ QUOTE ] I didnt know that.

[quick-bowtie]

I dont know who is the bigger bozo.. Camaro Connection or the seller, If you going to rep a car as real at least do a little reading about what you think you might have.

[sean70ss]

It is in Sioux City, Iowa. I do not know who it is but he thinks he has a winner. Sean http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[njsteve]

Well, gee that makes me feel much better now:

"I also will have my atturney write up a seperate contract pertecting both parties envolved." http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

I guess he spent all that money on his "atturney" and none on an editor. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[ANDY M]

"Spell check" should be explained to him. The block does have the MN, but he needs to show the VIN pics, on all of the surfaces he claims it's stamped.
As njsteve would say, Caveat Emptor.

[olredalert]

------On top of all the stuff you guys have mentioned this fella really has a bunch of huge holes in his execution of this sale. There are way too many loopholes. You are buying the car done but it is barely started. I honestly cant understand how anybody would bid under these parameters..........Bill S

[JIM]

Hey is this car converted to mid engine with the spare now residing between the front frame rails, or could this have been a Wheelie car. Hey corvairs are coming on strong so why not a rear engine camaro. I don't wanta rub shoulders either. Looks like it will be a nice car with a proper restoration !!! and being in Sue city it looks like he's not taking any chances on being sued !!!!!! It would have been nice to see picures of the trunk spackling !!! Only on E-bay !!!!!

Jim

[427.060]

The seller added a Buy It Now price of $69,999. Awful cheap for a restored real COPO.
James

[427king]

I dont understand why many people will consider a X44 car with a hole in the firewall as a real copo, yet a X44 car with a MN motor as in this car for sale is assumed fake. Is the rule of thumb that a car is judged based on the attitude of the seller or something?????? Personally ive always felt a MN motor[while not true documentation] was better than having a drilled hole or a 3/8 fuel line http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[69LM1]

I agree the motor will tell the tale, but the photos he put up make it hard to see if it is a restamp or not.

[iluv69s]

It seems to me that the seller really has no clue here...Although I believe his story of how he got the car...I find it hard to believe the person that sold it to him did not have a clue.....assuming this turns out to NOT to be real....I believe this seller may have been duped...

if it is real??? If only I had the funds...and the space!!!




it does have the muncie speedo cable location on firewall, does'nt it??? Maybe I'm wrong??? Hey Rich....Maybe it's an original LM1??? didn't they come with muncies too??? hehehe

[iluv69s]

now that I think about it...the LM1 was too early to be an X-44 car....right??? So what could it have been??? X-44 w/ speedo cable exit where it is??? I guess if someone went thru the trouble of making a fake...they would know that...Isn't there anyone that lives near there??? Wish I did...I'd check it out...

[tabooo]

Who is the owner of camaro connection?

[iluv69s]

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Who is the owner of camaro connection?

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Someone I would NOT take my camaro to for restoration work....

[agtw31]

i noticed he spelt $69,999 correctly.

he must have been in a hurry with the rest.

[tabooo]

olredalert,Hey Bill,Read the Question & Answer section RE: this ebay ad.

[ZL1#17]

Chuck, The ZL-1's do have unique cowl tags, I'm referring to the body sequence numbers.

As for this assumed COPO I would not take any chances, looks like a freshly stamped VIN on the block. Once the motor is eliminated what else proves it's a COPO?

[agtw31]

i asked about the title,and i have no idea what the heck he is saying here:

Hello Andy,
Yes I have a clear title and it is currently titled in Oklahoma in the state of Iowa you walk in to DMV and get a title the same time and it will be sold in my name as there is no liens on the title and I am the sole owner of it. Thanks and good day. Chuck

[Born30YrsLate]

...does a clear title mean it's on an overhead transparency sheet?...

[x Baldwin Motion]

Andy, that might make sense with a comma after Oklahoma.
( remember his editor is on vacation )

[joey]

Here is what he says in his add with buy it now option

For what I am asking you could not have it restored or at least I wouldn't restore it for less than $60,000 not including the car and all the rare parts

so either he is selling the car and parts for 5k he himself says he wouldnt restore it for 60k

but I think he is trying to rip someone off

[Unreal]

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Chuck, The ZL-1's do have unique cowl tags, I'm referring to the body sequence numbers.

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I thought every car has a unique body sequence number, not just ZL-1's. Based on that criteria, an I6 3 on the tree would have a unique cowl tag, too.

[x44d80]

Unreal, can you elaborate on the unique body sequence? You would think because the cars were ordered in batches that the body numbers on #1,#2 would be in order, skip car #3 because it has an earlier number and the rest of the Gibb order would be in a sequence. Wouldn't this apply to an dealer order of any type of car?

[William]

It is time to clarify the COPO body number nonsense.

Unreal stated it correctly-ALL '69s have distinct body numbers. I have paperwork from a dealer that had about 100 '69 Camaros. Dealers transmitted Camaro orders to Central Office via a crude fax-type machine. If all were confirmed the number that later apperared on the body tag was assigned.

That means ALL Camaros, not just COPOs, ordered/confirmed at the same time will have consecutive body numbers. COPOs, 6 cylinder converts, Z/28s, whatever, may be in the mix.

The Gibb ZL-1s are a fine example. Based on the 'NCJxxx' order form # they were all ordered at the same time. From the data I have they were assigned body numbers 222001-222043 or so. At least one of them is not in sequence with the others; it is almost 18,000 units later.

Why? I have no idea. But it proves that a grouping of COPOs ordered by a single dealer may not have sequential body numbers. It is true that many are such as Yenko, Berger, Dale and others. It simply is not always true.

If Gibb ordered other Camaros that day one or all of them may be in sequence with the ZL-1s. In addition I have a loose 2220xx body tag that certainly did not come off a COPO.

Ergo a Camaro that has a body number close to COPOs is not necessarily a COPO. A Camaro that has a body number no where near other COPOs could be a COPO.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

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.... it proves that a grouping of COPOs ordered by a single dealer may not have sequential body numbers. It is true that many are such as Yenko, Berger, Dale and others. It simply is not always true.....Ergo a Camaro that has a body number close to COPOs is not necessarily a COPO. A Camaro that has a body number no where near other COPOs could be a COPO.

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Ditto! This is exactly what I've found in my research as well. There are no absolutes.

[PeteLeathersac]

Using the Gibb cars example, are the units of the same color sequential by Body #...just thinking of the cars going through the paint process?.
Also, is it known if the scheduled units went down the line in order of Body #, Vin sequence or color groups...or neither?.
Lastly, I remember reading once how when '69 Copo 427 cars were first coming available that a minimum of 10 cars had to be ordered first by a dealer to 'join the club' then additional units of any quantity could be procured later by that same dealer code?. I don't recall if what I read specified 10 of each Copo type or an accumulative total of 9560, 9561's &/or the different Copo Chevelles?. Is this folklore, fact or any known mixed up version of some other true fact...Bob J. maybe?.

~ Pete
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[William]

In the case of the Gibb ZL-1s all are in body number order by trans/color except Le Mans blue; automatics first, then the 4-speeds.

The first two ZL-1s built N569358 & N569359 are body #222002 & #222003 and are both Dusk Blue/automatic. #222001 is a Le Mans blue 4-speed. The car with the outlying body # is Le Mans blue 4-speed.

I also heard that dealers had to order a certain number of COPOs but the facts contradict that. Many of the non-Gibb ZL-1s were individually ordered by other dealers.

By the way the lowest ZL-1 body number is #211785, the #3 Berger car. It was ordered before Gibbs.

[ssl78]

The other white Douglass Yenko is one body number away from mine.

[Z28DZ]

This time the body and motor are offered separately http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet...sspagenameZWDVW (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-69-Camaro-X-44-Copo-Fathom-Green-BODY-minus-427_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6161QQihZ010QQitemZ 200168351710QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW)

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[RamAirDave]

Makes perfect sense to sell the car seperately from the "vin matching 427", right? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif