Great cars for sale!

[lowmile]

No, this is not a for sale ad. I don't think it's my imagination , aren't there more quality cars for sale now, as compared to a year ago? And when there is more quantity, price reduction usually follows. I don't wish any real car enthusiast any finical misfortune but I would love to see a large correction so I can afford to play again. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif m

[Mr. Chevy]

I have heard that the musclecar market is kind of "soft" now.. But I do not know for sure. I do not get into buying and selling...

Rich

[JRSully]

I would think that maybe some people who got into very high end/quality cars for the wrong reasons are trying to get out asap, epspecially those people highly leveraged (ie: ARM mortgages/interest only loans now paying 8-9%)and have no equity left in the old homestead. Not a large group of owners, but probably enough to affect the marketplace somewhat. The toys are always the first things to go!!

[69LM1]

There was a Scuncio COPO recently that the guy could not get 140k for, reduced it to 130, and then removed it. The market is very soft. I have a nice driver quality Monte SS454 born with, that I can't get 14k for. I think that it will be like this until the economy gets back on track, IMHO, which means that it is time to buy. I have been on the lookout for a 70 Camaro L78, so............

[MosportGreen66]

Market is soft? Prices do not reflect that. A lot of over priced garbage out there. I spent over a year searching for a muscle car and became overly discouraged with the lack of quality out there to suit my specific price range. Maybe if you have deep pockets the market might have dipped but for us average foke, BJ prices still hinder the possibility of ownership. Clones and replicas still dominate the market. The educated buyer is the new trend.

[Mr70]

To take that a step further,today the UNeducated seller is remorseful.

[agtw31]

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To take that a step further,today the UNeducated seller is remorseful.

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or they found they bought a real nice clone. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[MosportGreen66]

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To take that a step further,today the UNeducated seller is remorseful.

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or they found they bought a real nice clone. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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When is the last time you saw an honest muscle car for sale at an honest price?

In the last recent months, QuickBowtie's Road Runner seems to be one of the only cars that fits the bill... which is great for us Chevy guys... Not a knock Andy, it looks like a sweet ride... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif I would also add 427King's old '69 elky with the L78... a bit more of a project but it was an honest price. Where have the glory days gone?

[SuperNovaSS]

Apparently my GTO is highway robbery. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[budnate]

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Apparently my GTO is highway robbery. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

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no way Jason, its a killer car! made me think hard about it.

dunno guys there are some nice driver 1st gen Camaros for sale up hear in the low 20's done, on craigs list, http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif and a bunch of other stuff as well.

[MosportGreen66]

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Apparently my GTO is highway robbery. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

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Not one bit... just slipped my mind. I think its a nice car for the right money. Might take a unique buyer with the non-endura nose, however. Hold out for the right money! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Late BrakeU2]

I think the collector car values follow the housing directly,top of the market on both were nealy two years ago.Sellers can ask whatever they want but I don't think much is moving right now-too much uncertainty and oil isn't helping.Like it or not BJ will be the barometer(as it has been for the last few years)and it could continue to trend down.

Good thing is the sharks might have to find different revenue streams to feed from, and the term hobby might actually be used again.

[Hylton]

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Like it or not BJ will be the barometer(as it has been for the last few years)and it could continue to trend down.

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Anyone who is putting a car in BJ this year with their no-reserve has balls of steel.

[427king]

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Anyone who is putting a car in BJ this year with their no-reserve has balls of steel.

[/ QUOTE ] Or a friend in the crowd.

[Canucklehead]

Shopping for cars in the states, i've been finding that with the strong Canadian dollor lots of Canadians are gobbling up anything they can get there hands on. Allas they are getting stopped at the border to find a 3wk waiting list to bring them into Canada. As such the Canadians are getting frustrated and not bothering. Which is what the American government is hoping for as they are trying to stop their vehicles from leaving their country. Hmmmm sour grapes, the states have been doing it to us for many years, now when someone does it to them they get all pissy. As far as new vehicles the manufacturers are not hounoring any warrentys on american vehicles bought in the states and residing in Canada. Canadians are in an uproar as there is as much as 10's of thousands differences in price when the dollor is basically at par. Which proves that for yrs American car manufacturers have been giving it to Canadians.

[budnate]

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Shopping for cars in the states, i've been finding that with the strong Canadian dollor lots of Canadians are gobbling up anything they can get there hands on. Allas they are getting stopped at the border to find a 3wk waiting list to bring them into Canada. As such the Canadians are getting frustrated and not bothering. Which is what the American government is hoping for as they are trying to stop their vehicles from leaving their country. Hmmmm sour grapes, the states have been doing it to us for many years, now when someone does it to them they get all pissy. As far as new vehicles the manufacturers are not hounoring any warrentys on american vehicles bought in the states and residing in Canada. Canadians are in an uproar as there is as much as 10's of thousands differences in price when the dollor is basically at par. Which proves that for yrs American car manufacturers have been giving it to Canadians.

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I call BS! fact is the red tape on the Canadian side is stupid and the average guy cannot navigate it, I recently had my truck sold to a guy in Vancouver and after 2 weeks of him being on the phone most of day he could not get all the answers and paperwork to make sure he could bring it home without getting stuck at the border with a truck he owns but cant bring across legally, and he didnt want to pay a broker to bring it across and I cant blame him for that, I wouldnt either, they should have a folder of the rules and forms to follow for the average person. I may be wrong but I hear to often the same story of guys having trouble getting a car across, a bill of sale, title and some border paperwork/fee's should make it easy ??

[L78M22Rag]

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No, this is not a for sale ad. I don't think it's my imagination , aren't there more quality cars for sale now, as compared to a year ago? And when there is more quantity, price reduction usually follows. I don't wish any real car enthusiast any finical misfortune but I would love to see a large correction so I can afford to play again. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif m

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It's the guys waiting to jump into the market that are going to keep the market from bottoming out. There's still a strong market for good quality cars... you just said it.

WRT the Canadian border issues... With vintage cars (which I expect you're talking about) you just have to supply them with a bill of sale, copy of signed title - front & back, copy of driver's license and 72 hours to process it... and if you're polite when you show up, you're good to cross the border.

[prototype]

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Shopping for cars in the states, i've been finding that with the strong Canadian dollor lots of Canadians are gobbling up anything they can get there hands on. Allas they are getting stopped at the border to find a 3wk waiting list to bring them into Canada. As such the Canadians are getting frustrated and not bothering. Which is what the American government is hoping for as they are trying to stop their vehicles from leaving their country. Hmmmm sour grapes, the states have been doing it to us for many years, now when someone does it to them they get all pissy. As far as new vehicles the manufacturers are not hounoring any warrentys on american vehicles bought in the states and residing in Canada. Canadians are in an uproar as there is as much as 10's of thousands differences in price when the dollor is basically at par. Which proves that for yrs American car manufacturers have been giving it to Canadians.

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I call BS! fact is the red tape on the Canadian side is stupid and the average guy cannot navigate it, I recently had my truck sold to a guy in Vancouver and after 2 weeks of him being on the phone most of day he could not get all the answers and paperwork to make sure he could bring it home without getting stuck at the border with a truck he owns but cant bring across legally, and he didnt want to pay a broker to bring it across and I cant blame him for that, I wouldnt either, they should have a folder of the rules and forms to follow for the average person. I may be wrong but I hear to often the same story of guys having trouble getting a car across, a bill of sale, title and some border paperwork/fee's should make it easy ??

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I'm not certain either of you have any first hand experience. I've brought in at least a dozen cars this year and even brought a car through Coutts/Sweetgrass on Nov 11, which is a holiday to many.

The US side is by far the biggest problem, if you want to call it that. You must have your paperwork in 72hrs in advance and if you show up and there are any problems, back you go. On Nov 11 it was a one hour wait at US Customs.

On the Canadian side customs typically fills out the paperwork for you and takes a visa card for payment, not a big deal at all, just pay your taxes. As a matter of fact on Nov 11 it was so busy customs officers allowed importers to fill out their own paperwork and they behaved like clerks, it was all of 10 minutes.

If you need to bring a car from the US into Canada there are brochures available at customs. The easier way is to follow this link:

Registrar of Imported Vehicles (http://www.riv.ca/)

Hope this helps! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[firez]

i have never had a problem with bringing cars in to Canada. Same old story have everything in order when you arrive at customs. We brought a Vette back not 3 weeks ago and drove directly to Canada customs and paid the taxes. I did not even bother stopping at the Buffalo side of the border.We have spent longer at the customs after a day of christmas shopping.

[Zedder]

Yep, no problems with older cars. The new glitch is with new(er) cars. RIV now requires a recall letter from the manufacturer and many of them are not releasing these letters or charging between $250 and $500 for one. Also, very few '08's are admissible at this point in time because the manufacturers have not provided safety compliance data to RIV yet. Some speculate that this is an attempt by the manufacturers to stop the import of new vehicles into Canada and get around the currency exchange issues. Like others said, bringing old car in is no sweat!

[Canucklehead]

Yes thats correct, i guess i should have specified its not the older cars that have become a problem its newer models as i am having problems right now.

[budnate]

my rig was a '98, http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[P.J.]

Its not the US border guards that give you a hassle
its the Canadian goverment that want their pound of flesh at the border.
It was easy for me at the border when I purchased an RV 2008
I saved 34000. canadian by buying it in tonawanda NY. Yes thats 34 thousand dollars. How long will it take you to save 34 000. big ones EH the Canadian dealers would not budge so I say f--k them. I will never purchase a big ticket items from canadian retailers untill those theiving bast--s lower threir price.
Just follow the instructions from the imported vehicles
people, then use a little perswasion on the dealer in the US
and he will do all the paperwork for you. he then sends it to the border 3 days before you pick it up. Then you pay the taxes at he border and drive it home.
And OH yes the Canadian dealers said to me that I woud get no warranty if I purchased it in the US Thats Bul---t
I needed warranty on the RV and got it no problem.And dont forget to shop around before you buy. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
PJ

[Hylton]

Hey P.J. - Make sure you drop by the Canadian RV dealer with it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Canucklehead]

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Its not the US border guards that give you a hassle
its the Canadian goverment that want their pound of flesh at the border.
It was easy for me at the border when I purchased an RV 2008
I saved 34000. canadian by buying it in tonawanda NY. Yes thats 34 thousand dollars. How long will it take you to save 34 000. big ones EH the Canadian dealers would not budge so I say f--k them. I will never purchase a big ticket items from canadian retailers untill those theiving bast--s lower threir price.
Just follow the instructions from the imported vehicles
people, then use a little perswasion on the dealer in the US
and he will do all the paperwork for you. he then sends it to the border 3 days before you pick it up. Then you pay the taxes at he border and drive it home.
And OH yes the Canadian dealers said to me that I woud get no warranty if I purchased it in the US Thats Bul---t
I needed warranty on the RV and got it no problem.And dont forget to shop around before you buy. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
PJ

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It's not that the Canadian dealer would'nt move it's that it COST him alot more then the americans can sell it for. Thats why there sre several lawsuits against the American manufacturers. In my paticular case it's the Americans slowing things down at the border along with alot of other people standing in line.

[P.J.]

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Hey P.J. - Make sure you drop by the Canadian RV dealer with it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Thanks for the advise on dropping in on a canadian dealer
I called the manufacture for their advise on what dealer in Canada would warrenty my Rv and the Company told me of 3 close to me for warranty . 3 days to service my rv on warranty.and they told me to send as many Canadians to buy their Rvs . I have had warranty with no problem. so remember do your homework and if you need help
to purchase a Us vehicle i will help you just to PI--s off the Canadain thieving bast--ds.US will get all my business from now on. Oh yes and remember dont rely on the Canadian media to report the truth they are on the side of the Canadian thieving Bast--ds.
PS further to my purchase of the RV I also now need a new scope for my 300 wincheser magnum (moose gun) because my young age now require a better scope so I compared the us price from bass pro $ 500.00 US 1100.00 Canadian guess where I am going to purchase it EH.I am normally very Canadian but hese days my rear end is a little sore so again
I will say to you buy American they are more honest to their Consumers,Can you can tell I am pissed.EH
have a great Chritmas
PJ the DJ
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[P.J.]

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Its not the US border guards that give you a hassle
its the Canadian goverment that want their pound of flesh at the border.
It was easy for me at the border when I purchased an RV 2008
I saved 34000. canadian by buying it in tonawanda NY. Yes thats 34 thousand dollars. How long will it take you to save 34 000. big ones EH the Canadian dealers would not budge so I say f--k them. I will never purchase a big ticket items from canadian retailers untill those theiving bast--s lower threir price.
Just follow the instructions from the imported vehicles
people, then use a little perswasion on the dealer in the US
and he will do all the paperwork for you. he then sends it to the border 3 days before you pick it up. Then you pay the taxes at he border and drive it home.
And OH yes the Canadian dealers said to me that I woud get no warranty if I purchased it in the US Thats Bul---t
I needed warranty on the RV and got it no problem.And dont forget to shop around before you buy. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
PJ

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It's not that the Canadian dealer would'nt move it's that it COST him alot more then the americans can sell it for. Thats why there sre several lawsuits against the American manufacturers. In my paticular case it's the Americans slowing things down at the border along with alot of other people standing in line.

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ok i followed the rules set by the Canadian goverment and
had no problem importing my 2008 f0rd Vehicle to Canada it was less of a headache than buying it in Canada. remember I saved 34000. Canadiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan how much agravation would you endure for 34000. Canadian EH
and besides the warranty issue ,if you are going to have problems for warranty from the manufacture you cam purchase private warranty from the dealer at a cost of 2000.00 canadian from a private insurance Co, so that would of left me with only a saving od 32000. canadian savings.not bad EH EH
Ps Rick I am sorry I dont have time to spell check the wife has summened me. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Canucklehead]

No dought you got a good deal and even if it voids your warranty im sure 34k would go along way to repair anything in the future. I agree with the dollor doing so well it's alot cheaper to buy in the states right now which many canadians are taking advantage of. Hey thats why im doing it, that and i could'nt find what i wanted here anyways. Just watch the news practically every night there is another story about cross border shopping and how things have gotton so back logged and it's making for long line-ups. In some cases they are backed up for as much as 3wks waiting for the proper documentation, depending on what it is that your bringing over.

[NWYENKO]

Dealers here have been instructed by the manufacturer to no longer sell to Canadians to protect the dealers in Canada. A directive came down to the local Honda dealership about 3 weeks ago and apparently has occured at the other dealerships as well. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif A good friend of mine had just sold a Honda to a lady from B.C. and saved her $6000. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Jim

[Canucklehead]

Don't be to harsh on the Canadian dealers they are in a real bad spot right now. When this dealer bought his 100k RV the dollar was trading at 66 cents to the American dollar. Now that the dollar is basically par he has to eat $34k. Not going to happen and im sure many companys are feeling the pinch right now. Not only is their capital tied up in overpriced inventory and it dosent give them a chance to now restock at better deals but they can't sell what they have now unless they want to bankrupt themselves. What the big issue is right now that has got Canadians riled up is that even with the exchange rate taken into consideration there is still thousands of dollars difference that these companys have no answer to other then the fact of blaitenly ripping off Canadians. It's only now been noticed becouse the dollar is basically at par and people have notice the now obvious. Now that the Canadians have caught on they are going down in droves to get cross border deals and the American companies stand to lose millions of dollars and are putting preasure on the American government to put a stop to these actions. This is why some Canadian groups are now filing civil lawsuits against many american manufacturers not just car companies. All this is happening as you read this so past experiences on cross border shopping were a bit easier.

[Canucklehead]

I should also say that the Canadian retailers have notice the problem and have been putting pressure on the Canadian government to do something about it. Now maybe the slowdown at the border has something to do with that i don't know. Maybe its just a backlog as it took a few weeks before anyone noticed the problem.

PS. Budnate before you jump up to yell BS, maybe check your current affairs first. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[P.J.]

you are absolutlely right exept the politicians must not piss off the canadian voters too much because as you know the goverment is collecting taxes at the border.Buy American "Its worth the drive to Buffalo"
PJ http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[budnate]

wasn't aimed at you personally, I based my opinion on first hand experience with a guy and the border people, we talked daily and finally said screw it,

I think thats holds up as a current go at the border not some 4th hand he said story. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[rich p]

Hey Fred !!

Its pretty funny how this first started and then you chime in with what REALLY happens at the Border. Then all of sudden the tide changed. Oh Ya we were not talking about Old cars! First reading I would never send a car over the border, then you post with real info.

This is what the Problem is in the CAR WORLD. To much talk with NO MERIT about what they are talking about.

I have had some big deals go south because of people talking BS about nothing,they know nothing about. People just want to talk.
The market would be a lot better if people who are not in the ring would step out !!!
I have shown numerous magazine that the #'s at BJ's was pretty strong untill BJ got way behind with the Rock & Roll crap and celeb's. They are spending way to much time on these people and their cars. When they got back to the Normal people cars they were hours behind by the end of the night. I was sitting in the front row watching them blow threw cars in less then 2 min,on some that still had bidders. I dont blame the market on these cars they blew out. Look at the #'s on tues-fri and the #'s were really good untill Saturday and even then, look at some of the #'s. But everybody who was not THERE was saying the market just dropped and thats how I feel the RUMORS started on Muscle cars.
Nobody is giving away PEDIGREE cars !!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif