L-89 Chevelle

[mhassett]

Need some HELP with a dollar figure on my '69 L-89 Chevelle (8,000 miles) The original owner might want it back (I could Never get the paperwork from him--he has it ALL).
Would rather sell it to someone else BUT he has the Paperwork.
Need some help from a CHEVELLE EXPERT.
Appreciate it.
New e-mail address is ([email protected])
Mark

[mockingbird812]

Mark,

I would sell the L89 to him as if YOU have all of the paperwork. That is a SHAME that he would not release the paperwork to you. Very sour grapes. I have experienced this before and it is very frustrating. Good luck, keep us posted.

[sean70ss]

Mark,

I would do the same! But would not sell it back to him. Pretty shallow he would not give you the docs!!!! Sean

[SSJunkie68-69]

Mark

That really speaks ill of him that he never provided you the documentation since it was part of your original deal. Sell it to him for what a true documented L89 Chevelle would sell for, then add 15% http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

What goes around comes around....

[chevelleheart]

Un Believable Mark! I've been fortunate and have never had a guy like that to deal with. I agree with everyone here, sell it back to him as if you had the paperwork!! Good Luck. Bob

[bilede]

I didn't get that it was part of the original deal from what Mark said so I would reserve condemning the guy but agree with charging him as if they were there that is for sure.

[GeorgeLyons]

I'd price it two ways: One price to anyone for the car as it sits without the paperwork and another price "exclusively for him" for the car with all paperwork docs.........because that is what he is buying, a documented car. Pretty big spread in my opinion especially for a car of that caliber.

[mhassett]

My fault. I did not buy this car from the origional owner. I bought the car in 1984 from the third owner. I did offer to pay for it but he said he would have it back someday . He just sold his buisness for 750k....Not sure what it is worth... Mark

[sean70ss]

Mark,

It still does not matter. $285k Sounds good to me.

Sean

[427king]

[ QUOTE ]
Not sure what it is worth... Mark


[/ QUOTE ] While it is worth more to him than anyone else ,if you try and squeeze him for every dollar,his walking will cost you more in the long run.Circumstances the way they are,you need to sell him the car for any amount more than you can get for it with no paperwork from anyone else. I dont suspect he will pay full market value as a documented car,because he knows if he doesnt buy it,you would have to sell as not having paperwork. The best scenario is tear the car apart and find a buildsheet,then tell him his paperwork just got devalued to 500.00!

[njsteve]

I'd say $350K to the original owner but you keep the original engine. See how he feels about someone else keeping something so inseperably linked to the car's heritage. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Kim_Howie]

I like this one, "keep the motor" only a lawyer would come up with that!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[njsteve]

Hey was that a compliment? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

My other alternative theory was to sell it to me real cheap and I'll throw a 426 hemi in it, paint it orange, put a rebel flag on the roof and we'll send the photos to the original owner. When he has a coronary we'll just buy the paperwork from the next of kin for fifty bucks.

[70 copo]

Some info on Mark's car. Car is black with red side stripes, Gold spinner in 1998, 998 Points. Rear antenna, M-22, Chambered Pipes, L-88 Camshaft.

Stunning Tuxedo Black Car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[427king]

[ QUOTE ]
My other alternative theory was to sell it to me real cheap and I'll throw a 426 hemi in it, paint it orange, put a rebel flag on the roof and we'll send the photos to the original owner. When he has a coronary we'll just buy the paperwork from the next of kin for fifty bucks.



[/ QUOTE ] Now thats how you change peoples perception of lawyers. My attorney always said,"If i dont win your suit,I get nothing.if i win your suit,YOU get nothing.

[Unreal]

I never dealt with lawyers until I bought my company. I don't know if it's good or bad, but my lawyer charges the same for good advice and bad advice.....or should I say helpful advice and not helpful advice.

[njsteve]

I always thought that lawyers should work for 33% commission on everything. That way if you get convicted and get 10 years, the lawyer serves 3.33 years of your sentence and pays 33.3% of your fine. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

But enough of the lawyerly hijacking. Mark I hope everything works out for you.

If I was you, I'd just keep the car and enjoy it. My grandfather once told me: The best revenge is living well.

You have the car, all he has are some old pieces of paper. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

P.S. You are overlooking the logical fact that the original owner exists: that is indisputable pedigree evidence in and of itself! There are many undocumented cars out there that dont have any paper trail or people trail to corroborate their provenance. You have it.

[tom406]

Take the "dollars and cents" out of it. Tell him you just need a nice low mile L89 to replace that one. Tell him he needs to buy Charley's L89 Camaro and swap you out. Seriously.

[69LM1]

I'd communicate with him via email, and try and get him to authenticate the fact that he is the original owner and that it is a L89, then, at least, you'd have something (the emails) if anyone else was interested in it. Not much, but better than nothing.

[micky69396]

The car has been totally apart, there is no paperwork inside it anywhere (I looked) but it has the original engine block. It was run real hard in the day, thats for sure. Im surprised you would even consider selling it Mark. Its a real nice car.

[BUIZILLA]

[ QUOTE ]
Take the "dollars and cents" out of it. Tell him you just need a nice low mile L89 to replace that one. Tell him he needs to buy Charley's L89 Camaro and swap you out. Seriously.

[/ QUOTE ]THIS MAKES GOOD BUSINESS SENSE..

unless you need the cabbage.... then I like the 750k number http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

the best revenge is sell it to him without the original block, then price the block at 250k.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[m22mike]

Mark
For what it is worth I am with the " Keep it and enjoy it crowd". Who knows, maybe the guy chokes on a chicken bone next week !

Mike A http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[John]

I have met Mark and he is a very fair and easy going person so here is a suggestion...
Could you possibly agree to get copies of the doucmentation with the original owner keeping the original paperwork with the first option to buy the car when you decide to sell it?
That way you could display the paperwork with the car....but keep him in line to buy it.
...I would think that he feels if he ( the original owner ) releases the paperwork , he will never be able to be the first in line to buy the car back.
...good luck on changing his attitude http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[rubbinisracing]

Keep the emotion out of it! The way you handle this will speak volumes to those who really count and it will keep the original owner from having any legitimate reason to disparage your character. Your integrity is the most important component of any transaction. I agree with 427king on pricing strategy.

Best of Luck!

[acelr8]

Remember the docs are worthless to anyone else.The car on the other hand $.The original block should be docs enough.IMHO

[427king]

Hire a good lawyer. You know a good lawyer will do anything to win a case even if it means telling the truth. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Jeff H]

Mark, are you really looking to sell the car or is the original owner asking you to sell it back to him? I think the situation really dictates the value to either party. If you really didn't plan on selling it then it's hard to put a number on it. If the original owner would like the car back, then he's going to have to step up to the plate and offer more than the rest of the potential buyers would. I'm all for offering the car back to the original owner, but it's not exactly an easy car for you to replace either. Good luck either way, I know you've had a bunch of really cool cars and it must be tough to let any of them go.

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]
Keep the emotion out of it! The way you handle this will speak volumes to those who really count and it will keep the original owner from having any legitimate reason to disparage your character. Your integrity is the most important component of any transaction. I agree with 427king on pricing strategy.

Best of Luck!

[/ QUOTE ]


Totally agree! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[L78M22Rag]

Maybe try a shotgun approach. Discuss and reach agreement with him as to how much value the original documentation adds to the value of the car. Whatever percentage that is (say 10% for simple math), then you offer to buy the documentation from him for $20k... (that mean's the car is worth $200k to you with documents - by using that ratio). If he thinks that's too cheap, then he has the right to buy the car from you for $180k (the other 90%). If he's not prepared to pay $180k for the car... then he has to sell the documentation for the $20k.... I'm not suggesting those are the values! Obviously you both have to buy into the process and live up to your respective end of the deal.