What do you think about this X66 Big Block?

[ZL1#17]

I'm a collector that looks at used Camaros from time to time and it just sickens me to see cars up for sale with tags that have been swiched out. Lets face it an X66, X77, X33 are more valuable than a X44 (COPO excluded). I realize why people do it ($$), but something sould be done to stop it, such as confiscate the car, crush it or blacklist it.
Here is an example of what I'm talking about:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290183120270
What would you like to see happen to cars such as this one?

[Jonesy]

June VIN with February tag. Unless he listed the VIN wrong??

[Racefan]

I checked the make it illegal to sell box, however I would add that these cars should also be placed on a listing somewhere where people have access.

[nuch_ss396]

Some thoughts:

How many Camaros have been sold in the past with missing trim tags?
I've seen a few over the years......
How many Camaros have been sold with switched trim tags
that we are only now able to spot? Probably a lot more......

My suggestion would be to contact the seller and let him/her
know the trim tag discrepancy. If the car sale
still follows through, contact eBay and suggest that they
inform the purchaser that this car is questionable.
However, you can see that the seller could feel that this
is an infringement on their right to sell the car ( even
if they did intend to pass off a fake ). But, what if the
seller is trying to unload a bad purchase? Ever been in
that situation? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Lastly, and only playing devil's advocate here - even if eBay
was contacted about this car being questionable, how should
they proceed. What proof do they have that the tags were
indeed switched? The word of one of us? Perhaps we could
contact them as a group ( possibly carry more weight ). http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

I understand the issues here. But eBay is in business to make
money and that as they say - is that. I doubt eBay would
care unless we could prove that Adolf Hitler, or a senior
member of the Nazi party owned this car... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif Forgive
the analogy, you see my point.

Nuch

[allcamaro]

Has anyone bothered to call the owner and ask a few questions? I thought we lived in the USA, [ QUOTE ]
but something sould be done to stop it, such as confiscate the car, crush it.


[/ QUOTE ] Are you kidding??

[quick-bowtie]

?? Crush a car because it has a wrong tag? PLEASE SEND ME ALL YOU CARS WITH FAKE OR WRONG TAGS, I'll gladly pay scrap price and even buy dinner. I make race cars and pro touring cars (trim tags dont matter on those cars) out of all of them and get rich during the process..

[Fast67VelleN2O]

I guess I shouldn't have crushed that original 64 Thunderbolt I had out back because when they acid dipped the body to race it, the tag got screwed up. Oh well

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Relax, it's just a poll.

[427king]

Simply put,you cant use a trim tag for "documentation" any more than you can rely on a stamp pad for it,as both are easily changed . With a factory paperwork car however you can melt down the original engine and trim tag and make jewelry out of them,and you still have a documented car.

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gifHas anyone bothered to call the owner and ask a few questions? I thought we lived in the USA, http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif [ QUOTE ]
but something sould be done to stop it, such as confiscate the car, crush it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif


[/ QUOTE ] Are you kidding??

[/ QUOTE ]


Car guys in the know should contact the seller with the resources that show there is a mismatch of tags and give him a chance to be educated and honest. ( I see this seller is likely a dealer with poor feedback)

Peebait will do nothing as their recent block of bidders ID's has prevented educated do-gooders from informing bidders of bogus cars.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gifConfiscate and crush cars for switched trim tag? Is that the Oklahoma law? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

not a category for me to check. - no vote.

[ZL1#17]

[ QUOTE ]
I checked the make it illegal to sell box, however I would add that these cars should also be placed on a listing somewhere where people have access.

[/ QUOTE ]

I would agree, CRG has a spot on their site for "Orphans" which is a listing of documented or VIN stamped drivetrains. This is a great service to help unite drivetrains with the original cars.
Why not list fakes, restamps, Rebodies, etc. in another section to help buyers make <u>informed</u> decisions?

I DID GET A RESPONSE FROM THE SELLER OF THE X-66 AND IT'S SAD HOW HE IS A VICTIM OF THIS CRAP.

HERE IS HIS E-MAIL

"IT DOESN'T SHOW ANY SIGNS OF THE TRIM TAG BEING SWITCHED.I KNOW THE VIN PLATE IS THE ORIGINAL.THE TRIM TAG VERY WELL COULD HAVE BEEN SWITCHED SOMEWHERE THROUGH THE YEARS, IF IT WAS WE SURE AS HELL DIDN'T DO IT.THERE IS A GUY ON EBAY SELLING TRIM TAGS FOR $450 A POP, HE'S GOT A WHOLE TRASH CAN FULL OF EM IN HIS ADD PICS." http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[69LM1]

[ QUOTE ]
Simply put,you cant use a trim tag for "documentation" any more than you can rely on a stamp pad for it,as both are easily changed . With a factory paperwork car however you can melt down the original engine and trim tag and make jewelry out of them,and you still have a documented car.

[/ QUOTE ]

They fake and age these as well?

[Nova Jed]

I was thinking more along the lines of the scene in the original Bullit or Gone in 60 seconds. How much of that went on in the 60's and 70's? How many people had access to those "original" trim tag rivets and vin plate rivets to do a swap? Who would have known then? Add 30-40 yrs on that equation and you have a bunch of good people on a website to inform the "other" car guys that they've been had.

[HiHorse]

Canadian cars have excellent documentation right from GM BUT guys are building cars around paperwork.