Information/history of a 72 Motion Camaro in NC

[72_Phase_III]

I'm looking for any info, the history of, previous owners, original dealership etc. for a 1972 Motion Phase III Camaro that was outside the Raleigh NC area in the early 1980's. The car was blue with white Z-28/motion strips. It had a 4 pin lift off hood. vin#1Q87L2N165003.
Thanks,
Scott

[Chris KH2PM]

My brother Scott posted the above question several months ago. Today we were discussing attending SCR 11 and bringing along this 1972 Camaro. http://kh2pm.dynip.com/motion/
A quick introduction..I have been into musclecars since the late 70's. My first car was a 1970 1/2 Camaro Z28, which I bought (beat and barely running) in 1982. Scott has a 1970 Olds 442 W-30 which he bought in the mid 80's and has fully restored with the help of our Dad who painted the 442.
We are trying to get as much info as we can on the Camaro prior to starting the restoration. If you notice in the pictures, the last time it was registered was in 1984. Scott and I actually looked at this Camaro in 1984/85 in the Raleigh area for sale. Here are the notes I wrote down during that visit and subsequently stashed away for 23 years. http://kh2pm.dynip.com/motion/2007-29oct-026.JPG
When going through some of my old stuff in the attic at my Dad's house several years ago I found that piece of paper and gave it to Scott. He actually tracked down the Camaro again and bought it in October 2007 in Eastern NC in it's present condition, minus the BBC which had MOTION valve covers and "bug-eye" air cleaner when we looked at it years ago.
I'm hoping that these pictures will generate some interesting, productive discussions. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Searching the internet I have found very little information on Baldwin-Motion musclecars. This forum seems to have a wealth of knowledgeable enthusiasts! Hopefully one of you guys currently have, or have owned a similar Camaro and can help with info on the restoration.

Chris McKendry
Holly Springs NC

[owners2]

Good luck with your car. The best thing you can try to do is get an NCIB report which traces the cars insurance history & will hopefully bring you to the dealership it was originally purchased from.The only thing i question is why would the car have stock exhaust manifolds over headers.

[GenOne]

Is the NICB still doing these reports?

[owners2]

I think it's all got to do with who you know.

[DarrenX33]

I for one would like to see it at the reunion so thanks for considering.. Is the paint believed to be the original Motion paint??

Very cool car regardless of if its a Motion car or not.

[COPO CARTEL]

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Is the NICB still doing these reports?

[/ QUOTE ] NOPE ... and very hard to get. Doug http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Chris KH2PM]

Thanks for the replies fellas.

When Scott and I test drove it back in '84/85 (can't recall but around that timeframe) it had a BBC with headers, MOTION valve covers, round MOROSO 'bug-eye' air filter, etc.
Back then we were not so aware of the potential and history a legit MOTION car would have these days! Even back in '84 it was pretty beat up but had not been painted over. Originally it was blue with white stripes. In the pictures you can see the blue paint in several places. We removed the trunk spoiler but I did not get any pics. I'm planning on taking some more pictures tomorrow of such things as the leaf spring brackets, traction bars, aftermarket high flow fuel pump up in the rear axle tunnel (and the model if we can read it). Also note there are holes in the rocker panels where side pipes may have once been located.

The manifolds are a mystery to us as well. Scott bought the car pretty much as is missing the engine but a TH400 did come with it. When I drove it back in '84 it had an automatic and the shifter was a HURST V-Matic ratchet style shifter. I am still amazed the last NC registration expired in 1985.

I will try and get pictures of all the tell-tale items and paint and stripe details tomorrow. If any of you here have any requests please post here and I'll try and get pics.

Now if only we could find a build sheet or something. So far we've checked the seat bottoms, behind the back seats, and peered into the deteriorating headliner. Maybe one will turn up under the carpet.


The only thing i question is why would the car have stock exhaust manifolds over headers.

We were wondering how and why SBC manifolds were there as well.
Apparently the next owner damaged the BBC, removed it and replaced it with a Small Block. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif


Good luck with your car. The best thing you can try to do is get an NCIB report which traces the cars insurance history & will hopefully bring you to the dealership it was originally purchased from.

As for that, please PM info! That would be a huge accomplishment short of having Joel Rosen himself verify it.

Now we're checking into how much gas it will cost to trailer it up to SCR, work schedule permitting.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Chris KH2PM]

Here's more regarding the SBC manifolds..

The manifolds are not a mistery, I know why they are there. I talked to the guy who owned the car before the guy I bought it from and he said the big block gave him problems so the trans shop owner he worked for exchanged the eng. for a lame but running small block so he could get the car running again so he could sell it.

Scott

Thanks Scott!

[DarrenX33]

So the car had the original GM Z/28 paint scheme back then? Then at some point someone painted the black/grey?

[x Baldwin Motion]

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So the car had the original GM Z/28 paint scheme back then? Then at some point someone painted the black/grey?

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http://n5cwm.dynip.com/motion/10-29-07-motion-camaro011.JPG

I thought this was a light coat of primer over the blue/white ?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[DarrenX33]

Ah, I see.. Well then my next question is this. Isn't the striping scheme a little off from the typical Motion striping?

http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/508/73Z30MotionP4_2.jpg

[JRSully]

NICB is still doing reports, had a very ballsy contact call NICB direct with my VINS about 2 months ago and they gave him the dealers and date delivered on both of my cars

[72_Phase_III]

When we looked at it back in 1984, the paint was blue with white stripes and the white continued down the rear fenders and to a point on the side. Just like in the current pictures. Somebody painted over the blue with brown primer and repainted it with a black or dark grey metalflake paint and copied over the stripes with dark silver metalic. I have been told that the MOTION stripes were not based on a stencil. They were taped up by hand, therefore no two cars will have the exact same stripe layout. The black and white picture above is basically exactly like this one is painted. The angle that one views the car makes the curve down the rear fender look different I guess.

[Dog427435]

I think this may be the odd striping that Darren was referring to:



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http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t114/dog427435/10-29-07-motion-camaro003.jpg
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[owners2]

I have seen many motion cars & articles showing the paint scheme & some look thicker than others & some taper longer than others.yes they were done by hand so no 2 cars were probably exact.

[Dog427435]

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I have seen many motion cars & articles showing the paint scheme & some look thicker than others & some taper longer than others.yes they were done by hand so no 2 cars were probably exact.

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I agree with that, but I can't recall ever seeing a Motion car with the side stripe and a rear stripe like this.
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http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t114/dog427435/10-29-07-motion-camaro003-2.jpg
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[Chris KH2PM]

I have seen two or three variations of stripe designs while browsing images on the 'net. From what I can tell, if there is one large single stripe on the hood, and (sometimes) one down the roof centerline of equal width, then onto the trunk where it is spread out onto the fenders and then forward to a point along the side.
If there are twin stripes (ALA Z-28) then the variation is what we have on Scott's Camaro. The trunk stripe is split because it started out as a twin-stripe Z-28 but the sides are the same, to a point behind the front wheelwell. I have also seen a third design on the L88 hood but have not seen any detailed pics of how the trunk striping is finished as of yet.

Right now I'm searching for another Camaro on the 'net with the same paint on the trunk as Scotts....

[x Baldwin Motion]

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........... If there are twin stripes (ALA Z-28) then the variation is what we have on Scott's Camaro. The trunk stripe is split because it started out as a twin-stripe Z-28 but the sides are the same, to a point behind the front wheelwell....

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that makes good sense and might ring a rusty bell

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q101/65z13/motion-camaro72striperear.jpg

are all the MOTiON emblems riveted on?

[Chris KH2PM]

http://www.corvettes-musclecars.com/Supercars/71BMCamaro/index.htm

There it is. Found one. Twin Z-28 stripes on hood and onto trunk.

[Chris KH2PM]

Here is Scott's trunk, from a better angle.

http://n5cwm.dynip.com/motion/07-22-08-motion-camaro029.jpg

[Chris KH2PM]

Close up of the left traction bar. Anybody recognize the style? Lakewood maybe? http://n5cwm.dynip.com/motion/07-22-08-motion-camaro010.jpg

[Chris KH2PM]

MOTION emblem. Apparently when the car was repainted the pins on the back were broken off so some idiot drilled 'em and used screws to reinstall. http://n5cwm.dynip.com/motion/07-22-08-motion-camaro001.jpg

http://n5cwm.dynip.com/motion/07-22-08-motion-camaro002.jpg

[Born30YrsLate]

I don't ever recall seeing MOTION emblems with pins...are those perhaps casting gates?
I had a friend who didn't want to use tape to hold the emblems on so he ran two screws in the emblem...one through the center of each "O".

[Chris KH2PM]

Electric AC fuel pump..

http://n5cwm.dynip.com/motion/07-22-08-motion-camaro017.jpg

[Chris KH2PM]

There are holes under the rocker panels under the doors, most likely for side pipes. Here is a pic of the remnants from a welded on bracket. I'll get a better picture later. It's kinda hard to get under the car when it's parked in an enclosed trailer!

[Chris KH2PM]

This was originally a Z-28. The OEM upper swaybar brackets are still in place on the frame, but now being used as an exhaust hangar. http://n5cwm.dynip.com/motion/07-22-08-motion-camaro013.jpg

...and a pic of me in 1982 with my '70 1/2 Z-28...

http://n5cwm.dynip.com/motion/70z28chris1982.jpg http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Dog427435]

My rusty bell is still not ringing - but you sure can't argue with a car from Kevin Suydam's personal collection!

That bar doesn't look like the Lakewood bars I'm familiar with - double snubber?

This is an early Lakewood bar -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t114/dog427435/Super%20Chevy/photos/apr08032.jpg
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[John Brown]

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My rusty bell is still not ringing - but you sure can't argue with a car from Kevin Suydam's personal collection!

That bar doesn't look like the Lakewood bars I'm familiar with - double snubber?

This is an early Lakewood bar -

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t114/dog427435/Super%20Chevy/photos/apr08032.jpg
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I never saw a real Lakewood bar that didn'd attach to the bottom of the spring, replacing the original shock plate/spring retainer, not clamped to the spring. The bar in this picture looks to be a late model cheapie wanna be traction bar..... maybe a Blackjack or the like.

[Dog427435]

? That late model cheapie wanna be came out of a Lakewood box over 30 years ago.

[John Brown]

30 years ago (1978) is late model to me. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[owners2]

The stripes are accurate to stripes that would have continued off a standard Z stripes.The emblems look real & those were not pins there like casting set pins for the mold.The emblems should have just been applied with 2 sided tape,but whoever re-painted the car just put them on the way he felt would hold them on the best.

[Chris KH2PM]

Thanks Jeff owners2 for that information.

Is it common for MOTION emblems to have been modified in this
way over the years? Scott was thinking about filling in the holes that were drilled in the emblem and finishing them with black paint, and using two-sided tape to hold them on. If it's common and 'acceptable' for screws to be holding them on the car he'll have an option.

One other thing that I recall, and that Scott also has more detail in his recollection is a badge on the dash on the passenger side. I was thinking it was either a PHASE III or MOTION emblem affixed to the dash, but Scott thinks it was a plastic engraved MOTION or PHASE III badge. There is a spot on the dash now that does have the outline that something was there. Anybody have any pics or info on that?

Thanks again for all the input!

[DarrenX33]

I can't recall if we talked about this.. Did you consider contacting Joel to verify the car?

[owners2]

You should try & gather as much info as you can on the car & then pay Joel his fee & present him with all you have.Your on the right track,just keep plugging away @ people to see if anyone re-calls the car.Start with going to local hang outs & shops in the area you found the car at.

[firstgenaddict]

I would get some liquid metal or some JB weld and chamfer the hole on the front and back so there is a larger nub on bothsidea and then sand it and paint... they will look fine... NOS ones would be $$$!

[BARN FIND]

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Close up of the left traction bar. Anybody recognize the style? Lakewood maybe? http://n5cwm.dynip.com/motion/07-22-08-motion-camaro010.jpg

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Ansen used to make bars like that, I think Scuncio even put them on some of their cars. I am not 100% sure those are Ansen bars though.

[Tommy]

I was talking with Dave Miller the other day and he said they were Kool-Fuel bars. I also remember seeing some pictures of them in old mags and I think that's what they are. Here's an old Kool-Fuel decal I have had for a few years.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/68sschevyII/traction%20bars/koolfuel.jpg

Tommy http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[Chris KH2PM]

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I can't recall if we talked about this.. Did you consider contacting Joel to verify the car?

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Scott has been contemplating doing just that. It's a big
'investment' that could go either way. If Joel does give him info verifying it's authenticity, then the value will go up quite a bit. Yet if he says it's not one of his cars, then Scott has said he will pursue creating a MOTION 'tribute' which would be more fun at shows since not many MOTION cars exist. And he has the option of restoring it to it's original Z-28 status.

I am curious as to what kind of info Joel Rosen provides. Has be been known to personally verify a car or does he have a list of VINs that he references? Scott and I were talking about that the other day. There must be something on the original MOTION cars that only his shop did that would verify its originality. Not that I'm asking for any 'secrets'..it's just a curiosity of ours.

I'm pretty sure Scott is going to send Joel a check but he's hesitant because he's not sure what he'll get in return besides a letter from Joel himself saying yay or nay.

[Chris KH2PM]

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I would get some liquid metal or some JB weld and chamfer the hole on the front and back so there is a larger nub on both sides and then sand it and paint... they will look fine... NOS ones would be $$$!

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That's what Scott has been planning on doing. I would think that clear RTV would be one way to bond them to the car when re-installing them. Two-sided tape would not be my choice. Water and dirt tend to loosen it with time. I have used RTV in the past and found it very tough to remove. Plus there needs to be a way to bond them firm so they don't get stolen while it's at a show for instance. As valuable as they are you never know.

[Chris KH2PM]

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I was talking with Dave Miller the other day and he said they were Kool-Fuel bars. I also remember seeing some pictures of them in old mags and I think that's what they are.

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Thanks Tommy for the scan of the decal! Neat. Love the '70s theme.."Keep on Trackin'"..LOL.. I remember those days.

I'll make a note of the brands. So far searching on the www has not returned any pics or info. I don't think I have any magazines that go that far back. I didn't get into the hot-rod/musclecar stuff till about 1979. I do have several boxes of old magazines in the attic at Dad's that I hope I didn't throw away over the years.

[AutoInsane]

What happened to the engine that was in the car? Can you track it down?

I recall one of the members on here snet Joel the money to verify his car and the letter came back as (paraphradsed) "That car is the style of what we built at Motion and may be a Motion car". Anyone else please correct me if I am incorrect.

You may want to invite some local Yenko.net members to come on over and go over the car before sending Joel the money. A keg and a BBQ go a long way to inducing guys to take a look!!

Either way it is/will be a cool car!!!!

[MosportGreen66]

What kind of shocks are those? Did the car receive the "Top Cat" kit? Hurst shocks?

[Chris KH2PM]

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What happened to the engine that was in the car? Can you track it down? I recall one of the members on here sent Joel the money to verify his car and the letter came back as (paraphrased) "That car is the style of what we built at Motion and may be a Motion car". Anyone else please correct me if I am incorrect.
You may want to invite some local Yenko.net members to come on over and go over the car before sending Joel the money. A keg and a BBQ go a long way to inducing guys to take a look!!

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Thanks. I have the numbers that were stamped on the ID pad written down from our first look in 1984. No idea yet where that engine is. Of course it would not be a 'numbers matching' block. Somewhere out there is an LT1 with the matching VIN number. As for spending the $$ to have Joel authenticate the Camaro, I'd hope that something more definitive than 'it may be a MOTION' would be sent back. It better be a firm YES or NO, not a...'maybe'.

If there are any of you here in the Raleigh area or willing to come out to take a look in person that would be great! Especially if you know what to look for. Still we'd love to show it to anyone. I myself want to haul it out to The Forge in TN if they're willing to have this 'barn find' on display. I think quite a bit of attention would result. Well, it'd be a lot more actually if the original ENGINE were still in the car...

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What kind of shocks are those? Did the car receive the "Top Cat" kit? Hurst shocks?

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Not sure due to the grime on the shocks. I guess when they are removed and cleaned up we'll find out! I didn't see any obvious markings or decals when I was taking pics under it the other day.

[x Baldwin Motion]

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http://www.corvettes-musclecars.com/Supercars/71BMCamaro/index.htm

There it is. Found one. Twin Z-28 stripes on hood and onto trunk.

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here is another one
http://www.yenko.net/dealers/RW71BM2.jpg

[COPO]

That's my old car. It started as a 71 Z-28 and got an LS-6. Still had the original 10-bolt with 4.10's. Was a Baldwin Motion car originally sold to a dentist out of PA. Paint was about 90% original.

[Chris KH2PM]

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My brother Scott posted the above question several months ago. Today we were discussing attending SCR 11 and bringing along this 1972 Camaro. http://kh2pm.dynip.com/motion/
A quick introduction..I have been into musclecars since the late 70's. My first car was a 1970 1/2 Camaro Z28, which I bought (beat and barely running) in 1982. Scott has a 1970 Olds 442 W-30 http://www.pbase.com/drillbit which he bought in the mid 80's and has fully restored with the help of our Dad who painted the 442. Scott is also currently restoring a 1979 Trans Am and has a finished '70 Dodge Challenger 440/6.
We are trying to get as much info as we can on the Camaro prior to starting the restoration. If you notice in the pictures, the last time it was registered was in 1984. Scott and I actually looked at this Camaro in 1984/85 in the Raleigh area for sale. Here are the notes I wrote down during that visit and subsequently stashed away for 23 years. http://kh2pm.dynip.com/motion/10-29-07-motion-camaro028.JPG
When going through some of my old stuff in the attic at my Dad's house a couple years ago I found that piece of paper and gave it to Scott. He actually tracked down the Camaro again and bought it in October 2007 in Eastern NC in it's present condition, minus the BBC which had MOTION valve covers and "bug-eye" air cleaner when we looked at it 23 years ago.
I'm hoping that these pictures will generate some interesting, productive discussions. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Searching the internet for the past few months I have found very little information on Baldwin-Motion musclecars. This forum seems to have a wealth of knowledgeable enthusiasts! Hopefully one of you guys currently have, or have owned a similar Camaro and can help with info on the restoration.

Chris McKendry
Holly Springs NC

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In my original post I have links to pictures. The web server URL has changed. Either use the links above that I have corrected, or in my first post replace n5cwm with kh2pm to view the pictures. I'd simply edit that original post but it's been too long and the edit link is gone.

No new news regarding the Camaro. Scott and Dad went to SCR11 but I haven't seen the pictures they took.

[Chris KH2PM]

Well folks, we have documentation! Scott's '72 Camaro came from Park Chevrolet and we have copies of the original State of New York Certificate of Sale from "Motion Performance 598 Sunrise HWY Baldwin LI"-April 1972. Selling dealership was Park Chevrolet, Asbury Park NJ. Not disclosing any names of owners here on a public forum but we have a nice paper trail!
Many docs are stamped YW-316!

Scott's Camaro is still in the same un-restored condition just as it is in the photos at http://kh2pm.dynip.com/motion

More updates coming, and pics of the documents as well! This is awesome news for Scott (my brother) and I!!!

Scott is planning on commencing a full restoration to MOTION specs, as close to he can get it to as it was when it left Joel's shop. Hopefully contact with some previous owners will land some nice polaroids/photos of the Camaro back in the day!

Chris

[mockingbird812]

Big congrats! Keep us posted on yr progress, <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[owners2]

Awesome job. Congrats . How did you go about searching the cars history ?

[motionwannabe]

I have an ERTL diecast of a 70 Motion Camaro thats painted the same colors as Scotts car. On the box it says &quot;Westhampton Raceway Special&quot; Pretty cool!! Congrats Scott!!!

[PeteLeathersac]

W<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/drool.gifW on the car also history you've unearthed so far!!!
Thanks for sharing and looking forward to seeing more on this Motion car!.
Are you referring to Park Slope Chevrolet?.

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete

http://hotimg23.fotki.com/a/76_75/117_2/MotionCamaroWesthampton1-vi-th.jpg (http://hotimg23.fotki.com/p/a/76_75/117_2/MotionCamaroWesthampton1-vi.jpg)

ERTL Westhampton Raceway Special?

http://hotimg23.fotki.com/a/76_75/117_2/MotionCamaroWesthampton2-vi-th.jpg (http://hotimg23.fotki.com/p/a/76_75/117_2/MotionCamaroWesthampton2-vi.jpg)

[whitetop]

There was a car photo a reader sent in to Hot Cars magazine circa 1973/74 in the letter section that was blue/ white and the car was from NJ. It had some wording in the white stripe that was owner applied. (Not the Godfather car from NY)

Same car?? I think it had slot mags.

[Chris KH2PM]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PeteLeathersac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">W<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/drool.gifW on the car also history you've unearthed so far!!!
Thanks for sharing and looking forward to seeing more on this Motion car!.
Are you referring to Park Slope Chevrolet?.
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Thanks!

The documents we have show Park Chevrolet in Asbury Park, NJ.

More pics have been added to the photo site!

http://kh2pm.dynip.com/motion

[owners2]

How or who helped you trace down this documentation? I need to trace down documentation on a car. Thanks Jeff

[Chris KH2PM]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: owners2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How or who helped you trace down this documentation? I need to trace down documentation on a car. Thanks Jeff </div></div>

Hi Jeff. Scott had the VIN run through the NC DMV, requesting just the original selling dealership. He received more than he expected. Definitely got lucky on that one.

Good luck with your document search!

[resto4u]

NC dmv gives you everything from day one, even the mso if they have it.

[72_Phase_III]

Update to my old post.

Now, about 3 years after moving to and fixing up my new house I'm finally back to work on my 1972 Motion Camaro. I just moved it from my barn to my garage and my 2015 resolution is to get back to the restoration. I could use some help finding some parts though. The car is missing the engine so I'm looking for a good march 1972 or older 454 CE &quot;counter exchange&quot; block, heads and intake, although I haven't researched what intake was used by motion performance, I've seen edelbrock used on them. I will also need a good vintage Hurst &quot;auto stick&quot; shifter and a fly eye air filter.

Thanks,
Scott

[Plowman]

Good luck and keep up with that so cool Motion car.

[x Baldwin Motion]

any work done or updated pictures?

[72_Phase_III]

The car is a

[72_Phase_III]

The car is apart now so not much to look at. I'm working on the body now. Fortunately there's not much rust and just some dings and small dents so able to use all the original sheet metal. I will work on getting some pictures.

[72_Phase_III]

A couple interesting things. The traction bars on the car were blue before, like the cars original paint color, and the front spoiler was once painted white like the stripes. Wondering if that was done at Motion or later in the cars life. I need to get pictures of the car from back in the day.

[firstgenaddict]

I found this one on FB recently photo said it was taken in NJ... kinda looks like one RMiller currently/recently owned(s).

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/05/full-254-25927-bm_blue_whitestripe_2ndgen.jpg

[DW31S]

Very cool and a BIG congrats!!!

[Fhakya]

Any updates on the history and/or progress on this one? I'm curious.

[iluv69s]

im curious too...oool car, congrats!! Have you spoken to Joel? .......I wonder whats up with the rear?? a 12 bolt ... have you checked the codes? gears?

[72_Phase_III]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/12/full-3928-36639-image.jpg

An update on the restoration. I have restored and painted the underside of the body, firewall, subframe, rear end, traction bars and lots of other undercarage parts. When disassembling the subframe I found the front shocks are Koni shocks. The date coats are 9 71. One of the rear shacks is a Koni too from 1971.

[72_Phase_III]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/12/full-3928-36642-image.jpg

[72_Phase_III]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/12/full-3928-36643-image.jpg

[72_Phase_III]

As far as the history, I have copies of all the past owners / titles going back to the factory where chevy built the car, then to Park Chevrolet, Motion performance and then to the 1st owner in Ahoskie, NC for $7415.38. The car has been here in NC ever since. Sorry the pics are upside down. Two of the pages of documents have Joel Rosen's signature.

I have the rear with the cool looking traction bars back in. I will add pics of that soon.

The 12 bolt rear has 4:11 gears and the date is older than the car. Same story with the trans. It's a turbo 400 with manual valve body and Auto / Stick Hurst shifter. I believe the stronger drivetrain was likely added at Motion as was the big block since they predate the car.

[72_Phase_III]

I did talk to Joel early on, several years ago. He just asked me if I want to have him document the car, which is expensive, and it's already documented from the 1972 paperwork I have. I asked him if he could tell me what options the car had but he just asked me again if I wanted the car documented or not. I have the feeling he doesn't have information on the options it was ordered with. It would be worth the money if he had a copy of the options for me.

[resto4u]

Your paperwork is interesting. So the car was bought from motion, as they owned the car when new. I would like to understand the ordering process. Say i went to baldwin auto company and wanted a 67 camaro phase III. Did the complete purchase and delivery go thru baldwin auto co, or did i take delivery at motion performance and write out two payments for the car and conversion.

[72_Phase_III]

Good question. Baldwin Chevrolet was out of business by that time so Motion got cars from other dealerships. At that price it looks like the original owner paid Motion for the car with the mods. I don't know if the car was optioned out by motion and put out for sale or if the original owner ordered the car from Motion Performance picking some extra options he wanted. My understanding is that Motion purchased the car from a dealership, converted it and sold it to the customer http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/12/full-3928-36658-image.jpg

[72_Phase_III]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/12/full-3928-36659-image.jpg

[72_Phase_III]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/12/full-3928-36660-image.jpg

Some new pics of the restoration. Doesn't look like much yet but I'm making great progress. Hope to have the car at a supercar reunion show in a couple years.

[whitetop]

I'm fairly certain your car was featured in a NY magazine back in the day. Hot Cars or maybe Rodder and Super Stock.
I remember a feature on a Camaro which mentioned it was sold to a owner in NC

[72_Phase_III]

I would love to see a copy of that magazine.

[luzl78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whitetop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm fairly certain your car was featured in a NY magazine back in the day. Hot Cars or maybe Rodder and Super Stock.
I remember a feature on a Camaro which mentioned it was sold to a owner in NC </div></div>great memory!

[Chris KH2PM]

Teaser pic. Still a work in progress. Perfection takes time!

http://kh2pm.dynip.com/motion/2017-05-27%20MOTION-021.JPG

[owners2]

Looking Good Chris...

[Chris KH2PM]

My brother Scott (owner of this '72) has been hard at work.

Current status update: Color has been applied!
Still a long road ahead.

Scott did the bodywork and paint. He's done a couple of
his own cars in the past with our Dad who worked at a
paint & bodyshop back in the 60's. Dad taught him a lot but it's still
a learning process for Scott with the modern products available.

Here are a couple of pics.

[owners2]

Looks like your getting there slowly but surely.

[owners2]

We need more pics please.

[x Baldwin Motion]

This is coming along nicely

[Chris KH2PM]

Sneak peek at the ongoing progress. Body and paint pretty much finished. New Cragars and tires. That old fiberglass L88 hood is being a PITA. They never fit right when they were new though. Still a lot of work to do.

[markinnaples]

Saw the update on Facebook; looks killer.

[72_Phase_III]

The goal is to have it finished in time for the Supercar Reunion 2018. Would be nice to have some Motion cars at the Reunion this year. I went last year and there were none. If you have a Motion car I hope to see you there. If you know other Motion car owners spread the word that we would like a good Motion Car turnout this year.

[livettes]

We would love to have your car and any other Motion cars attend. They are a lot of fun at the track!
Jamie

[Yann]

Beautiful Motion man, keep up the good work. The color combo is really sharp.

What is the size of the Super Tricks on the previous pictures? I maybe interested if you want to sell!

[Chris KH2PM]

Here are some more images from different angles as of the first week of March 2018.

[Crush]

That is one cool car!!

[MosportGreen66]

Very cool!

Keep the pics coming

Dan

[livettes]

Very Cool! Better get on it. We want to see it at the Reunion!!!
Jamie

[69LM1]

Very nice.... Love the colors.

Rich

[Geoff Smith]

Chris & Scott ,

I have just finished reading your post from start to end.

Firstly , Congratulations on your great find.

Secondly it's great to see how you chased the smallest piece of information and ended up with fantastic results as far as previous ownership goes etc.

Thirdly your progress and determination to take this fabulous car back to what it once was is commendable.

I took particular interest in the results you had with NC DMV which are not short of amazing. I too am chasing the history on a car which was sold new in MD and originally titled in VA.

Unfortunately I too have been unable to have someone run the VIN via NCIB. Whilst I did get some information from the MD DMV the critical information was redacted by black marker pen. I"m wondering if a long shot might be for me to try NC DMV.

I googled NC DMV and all of the websites associated with the NC DMV vehicle registrations appear to not be working. Unfortunately due to my location I am unable to ring them and was wondering if you have any links to the online forms or email contacts that I may be able to use?

I am happy to discuss further via PM if you are OK with this.

Thanks in Advance for any and all information you may be able to offer.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

As far as the history, I have copies of all the past owners / titles going back to the factory where chevy built the car, then to Park Chevrolet, Motion performance and then to the 1st owner in Ahoskie, NC for $7415.38. The car has been here in NC ever since. Sorry the pics are upside down. Two of the pages of documents have Joel Rosen's signature.


I am grinning from ear to ear for you guys !
Read the whole thing from start to finish.

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i "think" i know of another prospect 72 that is Bronze colored.
might dig into that one like you did yours at dmv


My brother Scott (owner of this '72) has been hard at work.

Current status update: Color has been applied!
Still a long road ahead.

Any more details or progress lately ?

I'd really like to see the car whenever you guys get it out in public Anywhere in NC . I am near The Zoo .

[Fhakya]

Saw the update on Facebook; looks killer.

What's the link to the FB progress if avail.?

Guessing you've seen this one (formerly Wayne Schmeeckle's) but figured to share if not..great reference pics.:

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0116-229817/1971-chevrolet-camaro-motion-phase-iii/

I've been following this thread since inception & am anxiously awaiting all news.

Keep up the great work!
-Mark Holman

[72_Phase_III]

I have been off line for a while, thought I would answer some questions and add some pics.
As far as the N.C. DMV or the NCIB helping me document the car, they would not help me. It took a senior DMV employee and Sharif to obtain the paperwork for me through the DMV. If you want to see what your state has for documentation on your car you probably need a friend who works for DMV or police.

[72_Phase_III]

They are 14’s. The back ones are about a foot wide. You can have them if you want to pick them up but I don’t want to box them up and ship them out, I need to spend the little free time I have working on the car.

[bashton]

I am thrilled to announce this awesome Motion Camaro will be joining us for the upcoming MCACN show, November 20-21 for our REAL Day2 Invitational!

Can't wait to see this beauty up close and in person. What a great story!

Bashton

[big gear head]

And I have to miss it this year. :mad:

[Oldss]

That Camaro has the look!

[Chris KH2PM]

Here are some recent images that I've taken just to keep ya'll drooling!

Super Chevys at The Rock! Rockingham NC September 18th.

[Chris KH2PM]

A few more from this summer.

[Chris KH2PM]

For those of you not already aware, my brother Scott took the MOTION to MCACN in Chicago this past weekend, trailering it up 14 hours from North Carolina. Safe trip both directions.

Sunday afternoon Scott's MOTION was awarded Day 2 Concours Gold by the MCACN Council of Concours Judges!

MCACN was an awesome display to behold overall, with so many beautiful cars of all makes and models there. The best of the best! I applaud the organizers of this incredible event, and appreciate the work of the staff and Judges at the show. WOW!

I didn't want to leave to catch my flight home on Sunday! Looking forward to next year!

Pics coming shortly.....

[Chris KH2PM]

Mcacn 2021

[Chris KH2PM]

Here's a link to my images from MCACN 2021 on GoogleDrive:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RJY6-xowCPQ4KmkkirNKMrGETt91XM2O?usp=sharing

[AnthonyS]

Awesome!

[R68GTO]

It was great to see Scott and his awesome Motion Camaro. The car is absolutely stunning - very well done restoration!

[Luvchevs]

What a SWEET looking Camaro!
So much looks just right about this car, wheels, hood, sidepipes, stance, etc!
Reminds me a lot of this car which I found years ago surfing the net and have drooled over ever since.
http://www.rabbitstoys.com/pics/THE%20FORGE%20PICS%20365.jpg
It was owned by Randy Miller from North Carolina. I've also seen his name attached to several Yenkos in the past.

[JoeC]

nice to see it done. I remember it from about 2007 when it was found.

[Xplantdad]

Very nice, congrats!

[ORIGLS6]

Congratulations on the Well Deserved Award. The car is Stunning, and all-the-more impressive knowing Scott did the restoration himself!


Here's a few more pix from this past summer at SCR 24 in Bowling Green.


And another side note; as Scott was leaving the National Corvette Museum on Saturday, Mr. Bob McClurg pulled the car aside to do a photo shoot before loading into the trailer to head back to North Carolina.


Scott/Chris, could you keep us updated on the outcome of that shoot? Hopefully a magazine feature in the near future!

[livettes]

Beautiful car! Some of the guy's in the photos (me) not so much lol
Jamie

[Savethefullbumpers1970]

That Motion Camaro is bad ass. What a clean car:biggthumpup:

[Chris KH2PM]

Congratulations on the Well Deserved Award. The car is Stunning, and all-the-more impressive knowing Scott did the restoration himself!

Scott/Chris, could you keep us updated on the outcome of that shoot? Hopefully a magazine feature in the near future!

Thank you for the kind words and the images from SCR-24. I will definitely update when Scott’s MOTION makes it onto print, and hopefully it’s the cover!

I had such an awesome, overwhelming time at MCACN. I didn’t want to leave Sunday. Hopefully someday I’ll have a car worthy of attendance. I did have a 1990 ZR-1 20 years ago. That’s the last performance car I’ve owned since then. Still looking and waiting. Have a Mortgage, and a daughter in college, so nothing happening soon.
But I do have a big shop with my own lift so I’ll be ready!

Thanks everyone for the comments & thumbs-ups!

[69LM1]

That is one sweet looking car!
Well deserved.
R