70 Z Copo on ebay........

[69LM1]

If the paperwork checks out, this will be the fouth one I have seen with paperwork. What do you guys think it will go for? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

70 Z COPO on Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160185100934&ssPa geName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=006)

http://i4.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/c7/a4/36ec_3.JPG

[allcamaro]

Probably bring 7500 or maby 10 K so you should send yours to me so I can make sure you get fair money, yea thats it fair money, Ill take gooood car of you just like family,,,,,yea thats it just like family.......... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[70 copo]

RS option helps, M-40 hurts, color is either you like it or you do not.

Documentation looks like the real deal and the dates on the build are good.

Could go big http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

[CamarosRus]

Rich, I just havent seen the COPO spoiler option on 70 Z's making any difference on value. Maybe at some future point, this will change ???? .........seems like the R/S option, exterior color, documentation and overall restoration quality sets the price.

[70 copo]

Ha... Chuck I turned away over $100K 2 years ago for mine. There are so few out there it is kind of hard to get a measure on price. Like anything else you have to want one. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[akcamaro]

I see this car doing $30-35K. I don't see it doing the $50-60K of a restored 70 Z. I think the COPO adds 20%, kind of like the RS option.

[CamarosRus]

Phil, Your 70 COPO Z is an exception to my above statement.
Your car is in a league of its own!!!!!!!!!!!!

Happy holidays,

[70 copo]

Chuck,

Thanks for the kind words. Question: That black COPO from California do you recall if it was a 4 speed?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Phil...do you have a pic of your car that you can post? I've never seen your car before and I'd like to see it. Here's a pic of mine...it has the copo spoiler but it was added by a previous owner, it was originally a short spoiler car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif



http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_DSCF0226.jpg

[70 copo]

Here you go: http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/70COPO/Cnv1739.jpg

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Wow Phil, your car is beautiful! Chuck's right, your car is in a class of it's own! Feel free to post some more pics of your car, I'd love to see them! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[70 copo]

Here is another: http://www.yenko.net/photos/showphoto.php/photo/667/cat/2/page/3 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[MosportGreen66]

I know that the chin spoiler was '71+ but both of the Camaros pictured above have the chin spoiler and the copo spoiler too. I am not taking away from either car, they look like great examples. If you got the 3 pieces rear spoiler, did you also get the chin spoiler? Or was the chin spoiler added on both cars?

-Dan

[70 copo]

The very early cars only had the rear spoiler. The later cars (approx late May forward) had both.

Here is the first page of the July '70 Tom McCahill Road test of Bunkie Knudsen's 70 COPO 9796 Z-28.

My car is an 06-D build.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/70COPO/Cnv0447.jpg

[agtw31]

wow,a couple hours cleaning under the hood wouldnt hurt.

there is a differnce between patina and just plain dirty.

[owners2]

Phil, the Black California Stripe Delete COPO car is a 4 speed. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[BARN FIND]

In 70 could you get the woodgrain on the instrument panel and wheel without the custom interior group (that would also include the woodgrain on door panel and shifter console)?

[MosportGreen66]

[ QUOTE ]
In 70 could you get the woodgrain on the instrument panel and wheel without the custom interior group (that would also include the woodgrain on door panel and shifter console)?

[/ QUOTE ]

the dash face, steering wheel and center console woodgrain were not related. Each was an option. My old '70 had all three ontop of a custom/deluxe interior.

[CamarosRus]

Phil and Jeff(aka owners2), I have misc pics of the Black Calif stripe delete 70 Z-28 as the seller sent pics to me when it was for sale. Just one more Camaro I regret not buying(i.e. Marty Wright 5K Black 70 Z)
Does the Black Stripe delete car have ANY docs proving the car ????
I will attach a few pics as I dont have them on my Photobucket acct.....
Guess my 175KB pics are too big to attach........

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Ray...in 1970 there was an interior accent group option (RPO Z-23) that would give you the simulated burled wood on the dash around the gage cluster and on the steering wheel. If you also had the center console around the shifter, you also got the burled wood treatment on the console as well. The Z-23 interior accent group option cost $21.10. My Forest Green 70 Z28 has this option with the standard interior. I hope this answers your question! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif Sorry Mosportgreen, you're wrong on this one!



http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_DSC00018-1.jpg

[owners2]

Chuck when i ran into the owner at the camaro Nationals last year i was told (but didn't see) that there were 2 build sheets to the car & that the 1st was for the car being done as a Copper car & the 2nd is showing that they sent the car back to be painted black. I took a really good look at the car even inside the trunk area & you can see copper under the black in the hard to get areas such as in the trunk jamb ribbing & where some black is actually chipped & flaking off in areas.I was really pissed i had left my camera with my car,i never ran into the car again!

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

I looked at this car last night.

[CamarosRus]

"If you also had the center console around the shifter, you also got the burled wood treatment on the console as well."

I disagree with the above statement!!!

I maintain that the woodgrain shift plate ONLY came with the Custom Interior. The D-55 console with Std Interior came with Black Shift plate.

[owners2]

[ QUOTE ]
I looked at this car last night.

[/ QUOTE ] Well,what did you think of the car?

[70 Forest Green Zee]

[ QUOTE ]
"If you also had the center console around the shifter, you also got the burled wood treatment on the console as well."

I disagree with the above statement!!!

I maintain that the woodgrain shift plate ONLY came with the Custom Interior. The D-55 console with Std Interior came with Black Shift plate.

[/ QUOTE ]


Here is my source Chuck...

Illustrated Camaro Buyers Guide second edition by Michael Antonick published in 1987.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_DSCF0590.jpg


On page 74, this book clearly states my above statement. I guess ya learn something new every day huh Chuck!


http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_DSCF0593.jpg

[CamarosRus]

70 Forest Green Zee, I stand corrected.....There are not enough interior accent Z-28's out there........

Would you please send me a P.M. and ID yourself....or refresh my lousy memory.

[CamarosRus]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/CamarosRus/Misc%20Camaro%20pics/LeftQtr.jpg

[69LM1]

[ QUOTE ]
I see this car doing $30-35K. I don't see it doing the $50-60K of a restored 70 Z. I think the COPO adds 20%, kind of like the RS option.

[/ QUOTE ]

Sorry I have been quiet. Got invited fishing/duck hunting (only in Louisiana can you do both in the same day!).

I agree with the above. IMO, It is very hard to find a numbers matching 70Z today, that I think that almost means more than the COPO option. "The Market" definatly does not care for the automatic option either.

I think that it is a cool car, and someone who gets it will be able to bring it to the next level with some elbow grease and $$.

Either way, a part of Chevy History, and I think the seller presented the car well as what it is.

Cool on the paperwork, more than my 70 Z COPO, and some more consistent evidence where the 70 COPO code had a circle around it in pencil, then "COPO Spoiler" written next to it.

I wonder if the cars were pulled from the line to get the spoiler?

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Rich

[70Z28RS5151]

Were some 1970 Z28's delivered without the rear bumperettes?

[Rick H]

[ QUOTE ]
Were some 1970 Z28's delivered without the rear bumperettes?

[/ QUOTE ]

Nope. His are missing.

Rick H.

[47Hammer]

I think this is a good car, What do you guys think of this '70 Z...


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...A:IT&ih=013 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230198226310&ssPa geName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=013)

[69LM1]

I agree. Nice car, paperwork and still has the solids, which he is right, most of them have been changed. Even the relplacement cam/solid sets just don't seem the same as the originals for some reason?

My 70Z Copo has the originals, and I have changed two 70 Z's back to solids, and I just don't think the replacements are quite the same (the crane cams replacements?)

Rich

[Rick H]

[ QUOTE ]
I think this is a good car, What do you guys think of this '70 Z...


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...A:IT&ih=013 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230198226310&ssPa geName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=013)

[/ QUOTE ]

Wrong exhaust manifolds, wrong master cylinder, missing rear bumperettes, wrong interior color, grill looks silver and it should be black, and the seller states in his auction "Everything on the car is correct and original to the car".

If the dash is original that means he painted it because it would have been blue.

If money is no option as he states then why not do it correctly??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Rick H.

[427king]

[ QUOTE ]
Wrong exhaust manifolds, wrong master cylinder, missing rear bumperettes, wrong interior color, grill looks silver and it should be black, and the seller states in his auction "Everything on the car is correct and original to the car".

If the dash is original that means he painted it because it would have been blue.

If money is no option as he states then why not do it correctly???

[/ QUOTE ] You are correct,however if you had a car that had all those parts being correct on the car but not the paperwork shown in the last picture, wouldnt you trade it for the car shown ?? Parts can be found and purchased,paperwork cant.

[69LM1]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Wrong exhaust manifolds, wrong master cylinder, missing rear bumperettes, wrong interior color, grill looks silver and it should be black, and the seller states in his auction "Everything on the car is correct and original to the car".

If the dash is original that means he painted it because it would have been blue.

If money is no option as he states then why not do it correctly???

[/ QUOTE ] You are correct,however if you had a car that had all those parts being correct on the car but not the paperwork shown in the last picture, wouldnt you trade it for the car shown ?? Parts can be found and purchased,paperwork cant.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree. All small stuff, the important stuff is there. The paperwork and the numbers matching driveline.

It is REALLY hard to find a 70 Z with the numbers matching motor!

[427king]

I will admit, the parts listed as missing in the above post certainly arent cheap or easy parts to find either,but paperwok is always the first priority

[ohhawk]

The seller of this white car had a Mulsanne Blue one listed 9-12 months ago that he also refurbished and sold. I had a noted Camaro guru look at this Blue car which was also heavily documented but he thought the car was quite overpriced. He was working on this white one at the time and said it would be nicer than the blue one.

Did I see someone on this board has their 70Z listed on another site?

[69LM1]

I sold a really nice forest green 70 Z not long ago....
Had the 70 COPO up, but wanted to keep one 70 Z, so when the green one sold, I took the COPO off the market.

[Rick H]

The car has good documentation and I like the car and wouldn't mind owning it. I also like the gold Z.
My point is the seller clearly states "Everything on the car is correct and original to the car". Key word.."Everything".
He does contradict himself by saying the interior is not the correct color. I believe the gold car is represented a lot better.

Agreed, parts can be found. Just wait until the next owner tries to find the correct exhaust manifolds with correct dates along with the correct smog system. Better have deep pockets.

I am neck deep into the restoration of my 1970 Z and have given up trying to make it 100% correct. I'm just going to make it the way I want it so I can drive the d~!@#$% thing.

Rick H.

[ohhawk]

[ QUOTE ]
I sold a really nice forest green 70 Z not long ago....
Had the 70 COPO up, but wanted to keep one 70 Z, so when the green one sold, I took the COPO off the market.

[/ QUOTE ]

No, not the one/s. Maybe I should have posed it as a statement and not a question.

[ohhawk]

Rick, sometimes I'm not clear with my communication. I agree with you about what the seller claims in his wording that you have pointed out. The point I was trying to make was if he prices this car like his earlier blue one then he likes to price them proudly which is his perrogative. We all have opinions on values. I only posted what I did in case someone on this board might want to pursue this car further and might like to know my experience with this seller. He did sell the blue one so someone thought it was worth it!

[Rick H]

Actually I was just posting in sequence. LOL. Rich posted while I was still typing.

I agree with you as well. I also wanted to point out the car doesn't have "everything" as he states and it will cost the buyer if he so decides to make it correct.

Rick H.